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This page reads as a mini-CV, not an encyclopedia page. 81.187.6.201 (talk) 09:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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She had 2 directing gigs, a short film she also acted in, and an episode of a series she also acts in. The short film got some play in film festivals but otherwise went nowhere. The TV episode is something producers let actors do if they want, under guidance, more as training and experience than anything else. This is not enough to say she has a notable occupation as a director, she doesn't. Mention in article as things she did is sufficient. I am also dubious about classifying her as a singer. In article she has no listed singing credits. It was something she did when younger, but it seems to have gone nowhere and she did nothing that is notable. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I also that object to even the current inclusion of the directing stuff, as it is using two primary sources – without secondary sources for use for the directing gigs, I think their inclusion is completely WP:UNDUE. If the short film was at all "notable", it would have gotten some secondary source coverage. (Directing Station 19 likely was noticed somewhere like TVLine, so that will be less of a problem...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:31, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, a very brief mention, if sourced for veracity, in a much larger section on other stuff she does isn't UNDUE weight. I would have no problems dropping it, but keeping something in the article is an attempt at a compromise with people who want to have that activity noted. I think her singing stuff is at the same level as her directing attempts. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:44, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For a BLP, a primary source can be used to verify bio info, and in a general article a primary source can be used to verify factual info (e.g. the length of a rail line). But for a BLP, a primary source cannot be used to justify "WP:DUE" content IMO – if something is a notable activity, it will garner secondary coverage. If it doesn't, it almost certainly shouldn't be included in (the prose of) a BLP. For example, "guest roles" can usually be verified by primary sources, but that doesn't mean they should be included in the prose of a BLP – only a secondary source would justify that. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't an issue of undue weight of minority viewpoints, it it more an editorial decision of what to include and where to draw the line. This factual data is about the same level of consideration as any other credit information. Basically include if notable project and significant role. At this point, I think her singing activities and short film could be dropped. The directing of an episode could be moved to a mention in the filmography with the source. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:49, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty positive that a secondary source can be found mentioning her directing the Station 19 episode, so that can even stay in prose IMO. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:50, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This [1] reference was supplied as support for directing where the article where they interviewed her described her as "an actress, director, and writer". Mostly in interview with her. She disclaimed being a writer in the interview and no mention was made for singing. The main directing gig was the non-notable short film she did which was discussed above - film made not distributed. Doesn't meet the threshold as a notable director as it doesn't look like what she did has any independent coverage beyond what she herself tells people. I also looked over the singing section and removed it. First reference is dead, second just talks to an acting role already mentioned in article where she used her singing skills. Lots of actors can sing, doesn't make singing a career or notable occupation. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually she have 2 albums. Does it not enough for to become a singer ? The first called ‘who taught you how to’ and the second album ‘a little bit of danger’ please do your research first before you removing things. Briedavidson (talk) 03:30, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, two non-notable albums is not enough to be considered a notable singer - see WP:NSINGER. They need to chart or at least have significant secondary source coverage, and would normally have a wikipedia article. Most notable singers have released work while signed to major record labels. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:38, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree – singing and directing can be mentioned in the article (but not the lede), but they need secondary sources in order to justify inclusion. As I said above, I am sure someone will have mentioned her directing the Station 19 episode (I'd be willing to bet TVLine mentioned it somewhere in their coverage of the episode...). My guess is that directing the short film, and the earlier singing career (IOW, pre-Kaya), did not get notable secondary source coverage. (But, if someone can find one, more power to them...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:58, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What make something’noteable’ to your standard? Stop talking nonsense. She a small artist not jlo. But that doesn’t mean she cannot be recognised as a singer. What about other small artists who doesn’t have opportunity to singed with major records labels ? They still a singers. Briedavidson (talk) 04:26, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia can't cover everything so has some standards of what is important and what isn't. Savre has a notable career as an actress, meets WP:NACTOR easily so an article based on that is supported. She does other things as do most actors, and those other things might merit a mention in the article, if well-sources, but that doesn't mean those other things are notable occupations. Focus the article on what she is well-known for and has achieved fame for. Don't put focus on the peripheral much less important activities. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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