Talk:Losing streak

Penn State Losing streak

Someone edited the Penn State losing streak today in light of the punishment from the NCAA. They streak was listed as 184 games between 1998-2011. However, Penn State lost the last two games of 1997, so the streak is 186 games, and dates to 1997. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.116.71 (talk) 15:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the vacated wins don't count as losses. However, obviously, the losses still count as losses. Given that, it would seem that Penn State does have the longest losing streak in NCAA Football Division I FBS, at 64 games lost:

1997: lost last 2 games

1998: no wins, 3 losses

1999: no wins, 3 losses

2000: no wins, 7 losses

2001: no wins, 6 losses

2002: no wins, 4 losses

2003: no wins, 9 losses

2004: no wins, 7 losses

2005: no wins, 1 losses

2006: no wins, 4 losses

2007: no wins, 4 losses

2008: no wins, 2 losses

2009: no wins, 2 losses

2010: no wins, 6 losses

2011: no wins, 4 losses

Total: 64 losses

Phizzy 17:58, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed this against ESPN records. 61 was based on incorrect data in the List of Penn State Nittany Lions football seasons article which I have corrected to match. 19:34, 23 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.197.8.183 (talk)

Vacated wins are treated as if a game never occurred. For that reason, they do not break up a losing streak.

24.158.48.181 (talk) 02:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a soapbox. According to the NCAA, Penn State didn't win any games over that span, but it isn't that the other team won those games either. People coming to this page are likely doing it for one of two reasons: to see what schools have actually lost consecutive games in a row, or to demonize Penn State. The latter violated neutrality. Northwestern lost 34 games in a row on the field; that's what should be reflected here.

To get technical, according to the NCAA, they didn't lose that many consecutive games, and therefore isn't a "streak". There are simply games where no team won, which is ridiculous in anything but a punitive sense. Wikipedia only exists to report facts. If Penn State is going to be put there, then the definition of "losing streak" has to change. Kermitmorningstar (talk) 15:48, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm agnostic on the Penn State argument (except to point out that the teams which lost to Penn State are still "credited" with losses in those games in the record books; this is the fundamental distinction between "vacated wins" and "forfeits"). As such, I'm not going to revert Penn State out and get into an edit war, BUT. I have reinstated Northwestern to the page. No matter what one thinks of the status of Penn State's situation, Northwestern has the longest FBS losing streak on the field, and really must be included in this article regardless, especially to illustrate the distinction. JFMorse (talk) 07:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Here's the definitive source: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2012/fbs.pdf . At page 110, it says Northwestern. Until it changes to say Penn State, that claim is WP:OR and / or WP:Synthesis. JohnInDC (talk) 11:54, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Although someone did step in and note that North Park's 89-game losing streak was conference games only, it should have been reverted to Macalester entirely. A conference losing streak is not an overall losing streak. JFMorse (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Volleyball Streaks

Does anyone have sources for volleyball losing streaks? The longest NCAA streak I can find is D3 VTSU-Lyndon who just came off a 106-match losing streak. https://vtsuhornets.com/news/2023/10/21/volleyball-hornet-volleyball-sweeps-lesley-for-first-wins-since-2017.aspx Weatherkidnh (talk) 20:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)