Talk:Montaña Rusa (Parque del Café)

Need pictures!

I need help getting permission, or finding a free usage photo of the ride. (preferably multiple photos) WofKcFan (talk) 20:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Referring to names

@GoneIn60: The quotation marks are because the sentence is referring to what it's called, not because I think that all roller coaster names should be quoted. If that were the case, note that I would have quoted it throughout. — voidxor 02:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Possibly for the same reason I removed the italics originally on that name and not on the others, uniformity? - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:00, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

voidxor, I appreciate the explanation. In my humble opinion, quotes aren't necessary except when the name may be hard to identify on first mention in running prose. That didn't seem like the case here. But of course, that's just one opinion! I don't think there's anything forbidding that kind of use in the MoS, so if you want to reinstate them, feel free. Appreciate the cleanup efforts, BTW. --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, and my point (I think), all or none... also, being Proper Names, not titles or "nicknames", the I think the bolding in the lede sentence felt enough... and depending on what we do with the new coaster by the old name we will probably have a wikilink on the 2023 instance soon to help differentiate the two... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:15, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

That's fine. I typically put quotation marks (or alternatively at least italics or bold per MOS:BOLD) when a sentence refers to something being "named 'ABC'" or "called 'XYZ'". That's where I was coming from, grammatically. Also, I wanted to further differentiate between the old and the new Zinger. After sleeping on it, the fact that it's a proper noun and therefore capitalized might suffice. Somebody with a stronger English grammar background might enlighten us. And yes, a new article ought to be created once the new coaster opens. Thank you both for helping to cleanup the article yesterday; it's looking much better! — voidxor 17:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I combed through the MoS and didn't see anything specific about quotation marks when mentioning a name on first occurrence. Might be worth bringing up on one of the guideline talk pages at some point...or maybe not! In any case, I'm fine with whatever. By the way, I added a link to the new Zinger article. We should probably limit any mention of the new coaster at this article to 1-2 sentences. My 2¢ --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:39, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

MOS:WAW takes the words right out of my mouth, both in terms of italics as the best solution (and the first thing I tried) and quotation marks as the next best (and the second thing I tried). OT: Thanks for doing a whizzbang job creating the new article! — voidxor 22:59, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind feedback! Still needs a lot of work, but I plan to circle back to it in the next few days and add more info, such as ride statistics to article prose.

As for MOS:WAW, I did come across that, but it seems to be more geared toward identifying words and phrases in running text that would normally be taken with a different meaning. For example, if I want to call out the preposition "under" in a sentence like, The preposition in "My feet are under the table" is "under", then that would be an acceptable use. There is a proper name example regarding "New World", but that's because the name could be confused with meaning "a new world". Most proper names with capitalization like Zambezi Zinger aren't as likely to be mistaken in the same way. --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:41, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

With all due respect, your position on this is a moving target. I addressed your concern about coaster names not deserving quotation marks by [perhaps poorly] explaining how we tend to treat words as words, in my editing experience. When you [falsely] claimed that you couldn't find anything relevant in the MOS, I directed you to the pertinent guideline, which I still think makes an open-and-shut case for what I was saying. Now you're claiming a narrow exception (less-common English words in proper nouns) that isn't stated. Perhaps you should propose a guideline change.

I also realize it's not worth arguing about. — voidxor 22:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Well now I'm confused. As I mentioned before, I'm fine with whatever at this point. If you want to restore the quotes, because you strongly feel that they are needed, go right ahead. I can't speak for Adolphus79's position, but I have moved on from that concern. It's not really worth any further effort to keep the quotes out.

With that said, MOS:WAW isn't saying what I think you think it's saying. It explicitly states:

A technical or other jargon term being introduced is often being mentioned as a word rather than (or in addition to) playing its normal grammatical role; if so, it should be italicized or quoted...

The examples that follow call out words or phrases that may have an alternate meaning if not italicized or quoted, as I explained in the "New World" example above. The name Zambezi Zinger is not a "technical or other jargon term" whose meaning could be confusing. It's clearly a name that wouldn't be interpreted any other way, so MOS:WAW doesn't apply. If you write a plain sentence that says, "The first president of the United States was George Washington", the name George Washington wouldn't appear in quotes. It's the same thing with Zambezi Zinger.

When I said, "I combed through the MoS and didn't see anything specific about quotation marks when mentioning a name on first occurrence", that's still a valid statement; MOS:WAW, and the fact that I had already seen it, doesn't change anything. My position shouldn't come across as a "moving target". --GoneIn60 (talk) 07:44, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Adolphus79 doesn't have any position on this, he's just the dumbass that tried to clean up the article a little before y'all improved it. - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2023 (UTC)