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Real Academia

All of these should be but into italics, due to the fact that they are all in another language. I won't do it unless it is confirmed with a person better in grammer then I am. 66.41.83.205 (talk) 23:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But all example sentences are put into italic. 27.3.74.193 (talk) 14:43, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ATENTION

Sorry but inverted exclamation mark and interrogation mark are not used in written PORTUGUESE. do you know why? ¡¡¡¡¡Because I'm PORTUGUESE!!!!!

I'm editing here to say just that you have another mistake, not just in portuguese, both exclamation and interrogation marks are also not used in galician, as someone affirms at the beginning of this article. Please fix that. BTW I'm attaching here a link to the Normativa oficial do galego (galician official normative). You can also consult it to RAG (Real Academia Galega), the official institution which decides the normative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.165.19.115 (talk) 19:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dialects

Please explicitly clarify whether there are any significant differences in usage among dialects in Spain versus those in the Americas. —DIV (49.179.148.244 (talk) 07:21, 18 April 2020 (UTC))[reply]

There are none. Added that. --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 09:08, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Computer Usage

The majority of the Computer Usage section seems to violate WP:Manual. The majority of the section is a how-to about inserting the symbols on various keyboards. It was helpful to me after a quick Google search, but nevertheless, it doesn't belong here in my opinion. Mrytzkalmyr (talk) 00:32, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, it seems I don't know how to link Wikipedia guidelines. My link was supposed to be to What Wikipedia is Not and the manual, guidebook, textbook, scientific journal section. Mrytzkalmyr (talk) 00:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The shortcut is given at the sidebox at each policy, in this case it's WP:NOTMANUAL. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal works so it is not obvious why your version doesn't! So does WP:manual. I still can't see why yours doesn't, it must be something you said ;-)

But to come back to your main point, I agree. We have an article Unicode input for that. But at other similar articles, enough people seem to believe it useful that there is no consensus in favour of deletion. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:56, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the articles on any non-ASCII letters or symbols have info on how to type them on various operating systems and keyboards. However I agree that the current wording is ridiculously long and convoluted. For instance it goes into details about how to make the AltGr key work on Windows and the fact that the key used is marked "Alt", all of that is ignored mostly, code just says "type AltGr+!". This should be shortened to a table, which also reveals the fact that the shortcuts are pretty much the same (somthing+! and something+?) on all systems.Spitzak (talk) 17:30, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rotated?

Somebody replaced "inverted" with "rotated" everywhere with the claim that it is the name used more often in literature. I certainly have never heard "rotated" before, though I think "upside-down" is used more often than "inverted". As far as I can tell "inverted" is better because it specifies how much "rotation". Spitzak (talk) 20:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did some searching on the web, and it is obvious that the #1 name for this character is "upside-down question mark". It looks like "inverted" is second, and "Spanish" (which is not in the article) is third. Nobody except for people quoting Wikipedia call it "rotated" or "turned". https://blog.rosettastone.com/whats-up-with-the-upside-down-question-mark/ Spitzak (talk) 22:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kwamikagami, since you moved the article, may I kindly ask what sources support the "rotated" title? Thank you! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 09:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Turned" might be used. Problem is, the question mark is not inverted. If it were, it would be reversed from what it is.

'Inverted', 'reversed' and 'turned' all mean different things. The first two you get by flipping along an axis, the last by rotation.

When there's variability in naming, and some names are accurate while others are not, it's best to try to be accurate. — kwami (talk) 09:23, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kwamikagami, what reliable sources, online or offline, support your statement? I infer from Spitzak's comment that the article title, like the article itself, should avoid original research and follow the name commonly used in sources. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 09:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OR is not the same as COMMON. 'Upside-down' may be even more common that 'inverted', and has the advantage of not being inaccurate (or at least being ambiguous). How would that be? — kwami (talk) 09:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Inverted" does not mean rotated about the horizontal axis. It could mean rotated about an axis that is perpendicular to the paper and thus be perfectly accurate for this question mark. For physical metal type this was the only way to "invert" a piece of type so I am not surprised that the term was used. I have to say I am having a lot of trouble with "rotated" and "turned" because they don't imply the angle is 180 degrees (and they also don't really specify the axis any better than "inverted" either). Spitzak (talk) 17:42, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the popular term for what you are calling "inverted" is "mirrored" or "backwards". Spitzak (talk) 17:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But how does it read now?

(Mirrored is usually left-to-right, not up-to-down.) — kwami (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the most popular term for what you are calling "inverted" might be "backwards and upside-down". But it is pretty hard to search for any of this. Spitzak (talk) 18:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]