Talk:Zittau–Oybin/Jonsdorf railway

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Hi, I don't agree with the latest move of this article. "Zittauer Schmalspurbahn" in german language is only a marketing brand being used within the last few years (and thus appearing in recent literature (only)). It certainly does not refer to the long history of this narrow-gauge railway line. The previous title Zittau–Kurort Oybin/Kurort Jonsdorf railway is timeless, no matter of operators at a certain time and marketing brands at a certain time. It reflects the exact termini of this line – at any time. Not even the article in de-WP is named Zittauer Schmalspurbahn (redirect only). Regards,--Kleeblatt187 (talk) 17:15, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. This has been moved in order to promote the use of "narrow-gauge" with a hyphen on Wikipedia. The move is inappropriate here, nor is it wrong to use the unhyphenated version of "narrow gauge" in the text e.g. see here. --Bermicourt (talk) 17:38, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

K, if you want to move it back, go for it. It seemed to me that the long complicated name with slashes was uncommon and difficult to understand, and that the condensed form was more common in German, and is used in English, too (see books). Dicklyon (talk) 00:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, though, let's leave out the German/Russian word Kurort, as English speakers won't have a clue what that is. Probably Zittau–Oybin/Jonsdorf, or the much more common in books Zittau–Oybin–Jonsdorf would be better. Dicklyon (talk) 05:46, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See if the name and edit I just did is more to your satisfaction. Dicklyon (talk) 05:53, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry, I accidentally copied an "er", unintended, onto Jonsdorf. In trying to fix it to Zittau–Oybin–Jonsdorf railway, I noticed that's whay Kleeblatt187 moved it from last month. I think there's where it should go back to (unless we come up with a better idea). Dicklyon (talk) 05:58, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've asked for a technical revert to the May status quo. Sorry for the noise. Dicklyon (talk) 06:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Zittau–Oybin–Jonsdorf" suggests that the line runs from Zittau via Oybin to Jonsdorf, which is wrong and misleading. The line resp. the network is Y-shaped with Oybin and Jonsdorf being two different termini. The combination "Zittau–Oybin–Jonsdorf" appears a few times in old sources (see your link given above), obviously because the first company to operate the line was named like this. Younger sources use "Zittau–Oybin/Jonsdorf". The Kurort is part of the official stations' names, thus fully correct, but I'm not going to fight for this detail. So lets go for Zittau–Oybin/Jonsdorf railway. --Kleeblatt187 (talk) 07:28, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I understand that the slash is intended to represent the alternate destinations. Sources mostly don't do that. But I'm OK with the slash if that resolves the controversy here. Dicklyon (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'm fine with Zittau–Oybin/Jonsdorf railway now, thanks for moving the article. --Kleeblatt187 (talk) 11:34, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]