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Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Trashbag, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome!  Katr67 00:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Redlinks should be used very sparingly, and only when either there's a good chance that an article with that name will be written soon (meaning, you plan on doing it!), or when the subject is so important, that the redlink is used as a way to prompt an article to be written. The problem with how you added them, is that you added an "Inc" in the name, and that's almost never used in article titles. So, if and when an article on CH is written, these redlinks won't even connect to it. It's usually better to wait and make the links after the article is written, so that there aren't orphaned redlinks out there that everyone's forgotten about (and, on a personal note, this is a wierd collision of real- and wiki-worlds, as I'm writing about CH here, and just installed a cyclic actator that they overhauled onto my helo!) Akradecki 23:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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I've "zapped" it again, I am afraid. The solution would be to get the permission of the copyright holder to upload it as a free image. Otherwise it is doubtful if we can use it. Sorry. --Guinnog 14:19, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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I really hope that this helps. --Guinnog 14:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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Welcome!

Oregon Airports

Just to let you know I responded on my talk page. Katr67 19:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

City/County Categories

Greetings. Great job with adding all the airports, it's been a neglected area. One thing to keep in mind with categories is that usually we do not put an article in both a parent category and a child category, see Wikipedia:Categorization. And with city categories they are (or should be) childs of the county they are in. For instance with McMinnville, the airmuseum and airport would go into the McM cat, but not the Yamhill County cat. Otherwise we would just have an Oregon cat with 2000 articles in it. Let me know if you have any questions. Again, great job de-redlinking all those airports. Aboutmovies 23:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

McNary Field on Oregon airport list

I changed McNary Field back to "GA" (general aviation) on the List of airports in Oregon because the Role column is based on the airport categories defined in the FAA's National Plan of Integrated Airport Systems (NPIAS) Report for 2007-2011 [1]. According to the FAA, "commercial service airports are defined as public airports receiving scheduled passenger service and having 2,500 or more enplaned passengers per year". [2] This is then further broken down into "Primary" (10,000+ enplanements per year) and "Non-Primary" (2,500 to 10,000 enplanements per year). There are a number of airports in the U.S. which have scheduled commercial airline service but do not meet this requirement. One example is Ogdensburg International Airport in New York which has scheduled service via Delta Connection, but is classified as "GA" because it only had 2,078 enplanements in 2005. Hope that answers your question. -- Zyxw 20:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Erickson Email

See my page for response. Thanks. - BillCJ 01:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

ALso, I've been thinking we might add some info on Erickson's helicopters in films to the S-64 page in a "Popular culture" section, with sources of cource. In addition, the info on the the CN tower and Freedom statue could be put on the Elvis helicopter page for the time being. - BillCJ 01:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

No comments yet on Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Assessment/Biman Bangladesh Airlines. Care to take a look? Cheers. Aditya Kabir 14:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Chinook Pop Culture

The Helicopters in Popular Culture was a magnet for trivia to keep it out of the articles as it was a loosing battle by some members of the aircraft project to keep it out of the aircraft article. I believe that nearly all of the entries are not notable and not really relevant to the aircraft article. Just my opinion happy to take it to the talk page. MilborneOne 22:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Your trivia was removed by the Vandel BillCJ. It was good info, please put it back in and/or report the vandels that are pulling the trivia out.

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WPOR Collaboration of the Week

Greetings WPOR member, we are starting a weekly collaboration project where we will announce two articles that are currently stubs that we hope to work together to improve. No pressure to help, but if you would like to, just stop by one of the articles and see if you can find information to expand the article with, copy edit what is there, help with formatting, or add some images. This week’s articles are: Alis volat propriis and Fusitriton oregonensis. Aboutmovies 22:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

WPOR Collaboration of the Week

Greetings WikiProject Oregon employees. Well a big thanks to all those who helped improve Alis volat propriis and Fusitriton oregonensis last week. This week’s Stub improvement are: Government of Oregon which should be easy, and Miss Oregon. Again, no pressure to help with the collaboration, choose one, both, or neither. Also, feel free to opt out of the notifications at the new page dedicated to collaborative efforts at WPOR (newsletter is in R&D). Aboutmovies 18:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

WPOR Collaboration of the Week

Hello again WikiProject Oregon team members, its time for the next Collaboration of the Week. First a shout out to Sprkee for putting together some templates for this project. Now, in honor of Labor Day weekend and the outdoor nature of the activities that often accompany the three-day weekend, this week’s item is to de-redlink as many parks from the List of Oregon State Parks. Some may even by going to one of these places, a great opportunity to take a picture or two for an article. As always, participation is not required, though it is appreciated. And if you are caught, we will disavow any knowledge of your existence. Since we don’t want to waste any effort through duplication, please make a note on the talk page of which park article you are going to start. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Good day! Aboutmovies 19:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's a new article on a former airport I thought you might want to check out. Happy editing! Katr67 21:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for the heads up. Yeah I ate out at the McMenamins Cedar Hills a while back and they had quite a few aviation related items up on the wall. I was amazed at how much info they had on their website about the old field. I think it was recently featured in Air & Space magazine. I need to go find that article... --Trashbag 22:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

WPOR COTW

First off, great job to all WikiProject Oregon folks for last week’s List of Oregon State Parks work. We pounded out six new state park articles: Sarah Helmick, Bald Peak, Bob Straub, Sumpter Valley Gold Dredge, Tumalo, and Peter Skene Ogden. Plus numerous other edits to improve the existing articles. As a reward, we are introducing the COTW award {{WPOR COTW award}}, and this time it goes to User:Woodstein52 for starting three of the articles.

On to this week. We are back to the usual two Top importance Stubs: Sunstone and Oregon, My Oregon. Both are stub pluses, so it shouldn’t take much to upgrade them both. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Good day! Aboutmovies 22:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

WPOR Collaboration: 09172007

All righty WPOR ladies and gentleman, great job last week with our state song and gemstone. I have bumped them up to Start class. I haven’t looked at the contributions, so the COTW award will be later. This week’s articles are Darlene Hooley, by special request, and another Top stub, our very own state rock, the Thunderegg. Yes, apparently we have a state rock and state gemstone. No word on whether there is a state stone too. Hooley basically needs some sources to make it to the next level. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. In the words of Beaver Joe, whoop! Aboutmovies 18:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Fall WPOR COTW

Welcome to autmun and the weekly COTW news. Great job to those who helped out with last week’s articles: Darlene Hooley & Thunderegg. Both made great improvements. This week, something a little different. With fall upon us, the photo ops are going to be harder to get, so we have a photo request fulfillment drive. Take a look at the requested pictures for Oregon category or the graphics subproject for what’s needed. Then go take a picture, or search online for a free picture to upload (US gov sites are great and there are links available from the above links). If you fill a request, be sure to remove the request template from the article’s talk page. Our other item is another red link removal drive, this time on the flagship Oregon article. Like the state parks red link drive, try to coordinate on the talk page. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 01:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Week 1 October WP:ORE COTW

I know everyone has been waiting anxiously for this week’s COTW, so here they are: Barlow Road and Columbia River Plateau. Both are almost Start class, just some formatting and referencing, plus a little expansion and they will be there!

As to last week, it is difficult to track the items we were working on, but I know some pictures were added and at least three red links were removed from Oregon, so thank you to all those who participated. The award winner will be GoodDamon for their creation of the Oregon Forest Resources Institute article. We have now worked through all the Top class stubs and are into the High class stubs. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Happy editing, and remember if you see a downed power line, don’t pick it up. Aboutmovies 20:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Greetings WPOR world. Last week was great with the Barlow Road seeing lots of improvement, maybe even B class. Columbia River Plateau also saw some improvement, maybe enough to bump it to Start. On with the countdown, another two Stubs in the High category, both happen to be people: Don Schollander a multi-gold medalist; and then world-renowned bridge architect and all-around swell guy Conde McCullough. Schollander needs sources more than anything, and McCullough needs more of a bio, plus maybe a nice chart for the bridges with type/year/location/length. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. This week’s safety tip, stranger=danger. Aboutmovies 18:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiOregon COTW

Greetings once again WikiProject Oregon members. Thank you to those who help out with improving Conde McCullough and Don Schollander last week. This week is a Stub break, with a Ref improvement drive for Oregon and a request for work on Portland Police Bureau. For the ref improvement, this means sourcing tagged statements and standardizing all existing citations, both of which are needed for GA and FA status. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 18:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Week

Howdy doody ya’ll WPOR poke, time for more COTW. Thanks for the work on Portland Police Bureau and improving the references at Oregon. This week we are back to Stubs with Eastern Oregon and Fort Vancouver National Historic Site. Both need just a little TLC to make it to Start. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 01:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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SPAM ala COTW

Ladies and Gentlemen its time for another episode of Collaboration of the Week. Last week’s show starring Fort Vancouver National Historic Site & Eastern Oregon received high ratings. This week’s show star two more stubs, Johnny Kitzmiller & John Wesley Davis. As always, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Don’t delay, act today! Aboutmovies 18:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

New COTW

Hello again from WikiProject Oregon. A round of applause for the project in October when we added three GAs, one FA, plus 10 DYKs! Next, thanks to all those who participated in last week’s Collaboration of the Week, John Wesley Davis & Johnny Kitzmiller. This week we have the Cayuse War, and in honor of the home opener, the Portland Trail Blazers. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies 18:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

WPOR's newest COTW

Thank you to all those editors who helped improve Cayuse War and Portland Trail Blazers last week as part of the Collaboration of the Week. They are looking much better. This week, with the election season over, we’ll tackle a request for Oregon Ballot Measure 37 (2004), which should have plenty of WP:RS available to work with on improvement. Our other article is another Stub in the High category, our only Miss America, Katie Harman. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Legal disclaimer: WikiProject Oregon and its affiliates are not liable for any personal injuries acquired while editing on the COTW including but not limited to carpel tunnel syndrome, Wikistress, alcoholism, anxiety attacks, or extreme emotional distress. Aboutmovies 20:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Oregon COTW version 11.20

Welcome to the jungle folks. Thanks to those who helped out with Katie Harman and Oregon Ballot Measure 37 (2004) last week. This week, we have two high priority stubs, one of the two major hospitals in Legacy Emanuel Hospital & Health Center, and Oregon Department of Education. Enjoy your turkeys, or for some enjoy your tofurkeys. As always, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

WPORE Civil War COTW

Hello again to WikiProject Oregon members, time for this week’s Collaboration of the Week. Thank you to those who helped out improving Legacy Emanuel Hospital & Health Center and Oregon Department of Education last week. This week, in honor of the annual Civil War, we have the University of Oregon Ducks and the Oregon State University Beavers. Or if you attended some other school, feel free to improve your alma mater’s article. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

FA for WPORE COTW

Greetings boys and girls from the fine folks at The Wettest Place on Earth! A thank you to those who helped last week make some good improvements on the U of O and OSU OS articles. For this week, the next stub on the list is Fortune 1000 company Lithia Motors, Inc. way down south in Dixie, which only needs a little added to make it to Start. The other is a bit more of a challenge, but Linus Pauling I believe is our only Nobel Prize winning Oregonian, and a former FA. So hopefully we can get it back to FA, check the talk page’s article history template for comments. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies 20:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Oregon COTW #25 (or so)

Hello again from the COTW of WikiProject Oregon. We thank ye who went forth through the rain and mud and helped out with last week’s articles Lithia Motors and Linus Pauling. Hopefully Linus can return to FA status early next year. This week we have the request of Oregon Ballot Measure 5 (1990) and High importance article Portland Rose Festival. Whatever work you can contribute would be greatly appreciated by our master. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here.[citation needed] Aboutmovies (talk) 08:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays from WP:ORE

Hello again from the Collaboration of the Week for WikiProject Oregon. This week are two more stubs, the Oregon Garden and former Congressman Robert B. Duncan. Both are close to moving up to Start class, so only a little work is needed. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 00:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Holiday COTW

Greetings to all the WikiProject Oregon crew. Happy holidays to those who celebrate holidays. Thanks to those who helped out with last week’s articles Oregon Garden and Robert B. Duncan. Due to the holidays and people likely to be spending less time on Wikipedia, the new Collaboration of the Week will run for two weeks (OK actually I’ll be out of the country, but same difference). The first item will be a general Reference Improvement Drive. So find an article, source an tagged sentence or bring all the citations up to WP:CITE standards. The other item is a Tagging Drive, looking for those random articles about Oregon that do not yet have a {{WikiProject Oregon}} tag on the talk page. In the past I’ve found the Category:People from Oregon and its sub cats fertile ground for the lost Oregon souls. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Coordinates for airports

In response to your question at User talk:Zyxw #Coordinates for airports:

The template you are asking about is {{GeoGroupTemplate}} and there was a discussion about this on that template's talk page. As per User: Para, author of the tool (http://tools.wikimedia.de/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport) used in the template's first two links:
"With an article name the tool pulls the article from the live Wikipedia, but the more resource intensive category request uses the coordinates from Wikipedia-World, which is updated from the dumps."
Unfortunately, the Wikipedia-World project does not seem to have updated their data since 29 July 2007. That is why the Propst Airport article you mentioned (created on 22 December 2007) doesn't appear when using the GeoGroupTemplate link found at Category: Airports in Oregon. -- Zyxw (talk) 08:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Images in lists

Hi, images are not suitable for Wikipedia if they are relevant to just one word or sentence in an article. So do not send images like the helicopter in List of James Bond vehicles as they will be removed. Vikrant 14:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Great Job

Just wanted to say great job on creating all the airport articles. Nice work! --Dan LeveilleTALK 16:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! just getting a toe hold started on all the Oregon airports to make it easier for any interested parties to pitch in on what they know. --Trashbag (talk) 16:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to add my kudo for your work on the Oregon airports this month. You deserve an award for productivity alone! I think you have a future in this business (LoL). Seriously, general aviation appreciates your work! Carl M. Anglesea (talk) 16:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hiya, great work on the airport articles, as usual. One thing, this article says it's 9 miles NW of Eugene?! Judging by the coords and my personal experience, the heliport is right on the roof of Sacred Heart Medical Center, which puts it squarely in Eugene. (The hospital is on the edge of the University of Oregon campus.) Could you double check your sources? Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Good day! Yeah, I pulled my data from the FAA so no doubt there are quite a few errors. In dealing with a database there is always Garbage In, Garbage Out from those who have typed it in. When I pulled the spreadsheets from them I had to go go through and correct a bunch of errors (typos, names, etc...) but some of the raw numbers are hard to pick up with the ol' mark one eyeball. Feel free to correct 'em as you find them. I just wanted to make sure I got at least a little something started on them then let all the real pros out there help fill in the blanks. Thanks for the catch! --Trashbag (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

First of all, great job on adding airport articles. But is this one really notable? Also, I think it contains wrong information, e.g., near Milwaukie. Bearian (talk) 17:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Good day Bearian please see The Bruce's Airport talk page. Thanks, --Trashbag (talk) 17:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, good job. Bearian (talk) 17:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Archtransit's RfA

Hi, you are a member of the same WikiProject as User:Archtransit. He's applied at WP:RFA. What do you think of his work? This is not a canvass, but just asking for an opinion. Bearian (talk) 17:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

New Year COTW from WP:ORE

Happy New Year to all the Oregon WikiProject People. A big round of applause for everyone last year, we got a lot done. A thank you to everyone who helped with the last Collaboration of the Week, I saw a large number of articles in the unassessed section and our total number of articles is over 5000 (we were around 4000 in June when the assessment program finished the initial run) so I know at one person was busy tagging. This week we are back to a High importance Stub article the one and only max security prison, first prison, and only one with a death row in the state, the Oregon State Penitentiary. Then, by request we have one of the most prolific ballot measure sponsors in Mr. Bill Sizemore. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Helitack Userboxes

Thanks for your comments on the Talk:Helitack page. I take userbox requests! What would you like - one for Fire Fighting A&Ps (US) or AMEs (Canada), other trades? Let me know and I will make them up. - Ahunt (talk) 12:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Okay, I like a challenge. How about something like: "This user is a forest fire fighting equipment technician"? Let me know if you have some more appropriate wording! - Ahunt (talk) 18:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I got creative and so we have three new boxes! Pick one and put it on your user page, if you like. Let me know if you would like something changed! - Ahunt (talk) 00:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Code Result
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|{{User:Ahunt/FireFightingAP}}
This user is a forest fire fighting A&P.
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|{{User:Ahunt/FireFightingAME}}
This user is a forest fire fighting AME.
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Thanks for your note - glad that you liked them! I am always looking for excuses to make more userboxes - they are easy and fun to do. - Ahunt (talk) 13:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Oregon GA COTW

Howdy to WikiProject Oregon members, time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week. As you may have already noticed, our flagship article Oregon is up for the third time as we make a push to get WP:GA status before going for WP:FA. Since this will take some time to get where it needs to be, this will be the COTW for more than just a week. Also, so we hopefully don’t trip over ourselves, try to coordinate on the article’s talk page. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here.

On another note, just a general good job/pat on the back to the project for a great 2007, the first full year of the project. We had 83 DYKs about Oregon, improved one article to FA, and went from around 4 GAs to 17 GAs. Plus numerous new articles, improvements to existing, the introduction of the COTW, and the introduction of article assessment at the project. Again, great job and here’s to a new year. Aboutmovies (talk) 17:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)