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WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - May 2020

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14:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Non-free images

Hi Colin, Thanks again for your help with my article. I hope your ping about inserting the non-free images will bear fruit. I have read that using copyrighted images by contemporary artists is one of the exemptions that Wikipedia accepts for fair-use, non-free images. I don’t remember any references to whether it matters if the use is in the artist’s biography. I have seen that same format used for images in multiple artists’ biographies from famous artists like Judy Chicago to lesser known artists like James Cook. I hope I don’t have to insert the image manually if that means using the “insert image” function in the edit document section because I couldn’t make that work either. We’ll see.

Thanks, Dactyl123 (talk) 19:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dactyl123. I've moved your comment to a new section down the bottom of my talk page, or it will confuse the archive bot.

I'm pretty sure there isn't an explicit prohibition, but items 3 and 8 of the WP:NFCC taken together seem to suggest it. As you say James Pringle Cook does this - but if you read the text of {{Non-free 2D art}} that Mianvar1 used for the images, I don't see that it covers this use. But Mianvar1 clearly does, and believes that the rationale in the associated {{Non-free use rationale}} justifies this even though it is not within the letter of the former template. Again, I have pinged Mianvar1, and I hope they will come here and join the discussion; and if you are persuaded that this use is legitimate, they am sure can show you how to do it. --ColinFine (talk) 21:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Wonho

Nidabaci (talk) 08:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC) Thank you for your answer on my question about my draft in Wonho(singer). I understand more about Wikipedia after reading your reply. And I would like to make myself clear that my intentions of writing an article were not about promotion. I wrote it thinking that it would be helpful to Wikipedia readers to have an article about a singer they might be interested in. Wikipedia is known to share knowledge and that's why I wanted to participate writing my draft. Once again thank you for your polite reply and I hope you have a great weekend!

Hi, Nidabaci. I'm sure you didn't think your intent was to be promotional. But what you wrote was "his fans need this Wikipedia article so he can be counted as an artist": that is exactly what promotion is. I think a useful way of thinking about it is, to ask yourself "For whose benefit am I doing this?" If the answer is "For the benefit of the subject of the article", even partly, then your intent is, at least partly, promotional.

By the way, when you start a new section on a talk page, please add a heading (you can pick "New section" or "+" from the top to create the new section). I have added a heading here. --ColinFine (talk) 10:19, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Declined article because of notability issues

Hi ColinFine, Thank you for your feedback in our discussion at the Teahouse on draft Scantrust (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#Article_declined_for_lack_of_notability). I would like to ask for additional feedback from you on the article. I realise that I did not understand how notability is evaluated, so I focused on articles which I thought were the most important, but were discarded as they look like interviews. However there are other references, some of which were included in the sources and others not, which show much less connexion to the subject (in my opinion at least). I could resubmit and highlight these references, but it makes no sense to do that if the article still does not get a chance to pass the notability criteria. Would you be able to advise me on this? If you agree, I will share with you other references that I think have the best chance to establish notability, and will look forward to your opinion. Or if you have any other advice on where I could get guidance, that would be really nice. Many thanks, Factfox (talk) 20:33, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Colin Regarding Stow-away on SS Himalaya in 1974

Sorry i'm new here and finding it very difficult to navigate. Sorry but I reposted my edit again before I saw your message. I understand now about the type of citation required. Thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Triumph Banjo (talk • contribs) 22:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Uploading a different photo

Hi Colin, The ping that you sent to Mianvar1 asking them to contact me with advice about uploading non-free images worked. They advised me to use the Upload Wizard and then manually add the photos, which may have been what you were suggesting as a last resort. They also gave me some tips on the size of images to use and how to justify using non-free images.

I now need to upload a free portrait of the artist into the infobox on the right side of the article about Bailey Doogan. I asked for help at the Wikicommons Help Desk, but the advice I got didn’t work. Do you know how to do this? (On the other hand, the person I dealt with at the Help Desk told me that I needed to get the copyright holder to file a formal copyright release with Wikipedia, which I did.) This is the image:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bailey_Doogan,_American_artist.jpg.

Thanks! Dactyl123 (talk) 20:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Dactyl123. I'm glad you've been successful. If you open Bailey Doogan for edit, you'll see that the infobox is created from the template "infobox person". If you go to Template:infobox person, you'll see that for the parameter "image" it says filename only, no "File:" or "Image:" prefix, and no enclosing brackets; so you need

image = Bailey_Doogan,_American_artist.jpg

You need to get the case, extension, and punctuation right (though the underscore is interchangeable with a space).

Note, by the way, that if you need to refer to an image on a discussion page like this (whether it is in Commons or Wikipedia), you can give a wikilink with a leading colon (':'); so File:Bailey_Doogan,_American_artist.jpg links to the image without displaying it. Also, it would have been kind to have wikilinked "Bailey Doogan" above, so that I didn't have to go searching for it. So rather than "the article about Bailey Doogan", simply write [[Bailey Doogan]]. --ColinFine (talk) 20:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I should say that it's not obvious that you have to do this for the infobox, and also I believe that infoboxes are not all consistent: some required the File: prefix. --ColinFine (talk) 20:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, Colin. Between your information and what the person at Wikicommons told me, I got the portrait posted. Part of my difficulty was that I use the visual editor, so I had to figure out how to deal with the source code. I'm sorry that you had to track down the artist's page. I didn't know about the bracket trick, but I could have used a page link. It's one more bit to add to my repertoire of Wikiknowledge - provided I can keep it in my brain! Thanks again. Dactyl123 (talk) 22:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - June 2020

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21:22, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Advice

Thank you for inviting me to the Teahouse. I enjoy the process of editing and compiling information so extremely pleased to join the Wikipedia team. Although I work in the field of interior design I have a keen interest in history and the Arts. I edited an existing page of the violinist Anthony Marwood as it needed a few additions.... I felt. I discovered his partner Walter van Dijk ( Walter van Dyk stage name) is an actor so I did some research and started creating a new page which I would like to eventually submit for review. I would appreciate some advice on how to do that but also would like to ask you as an experienced Wikipedia editor to look at the page and offer me some tips to make it an existing Wikipedia article.

Eggshole 1 Eggshole1 (talk) 10:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Eggshole1. I have moved your draft to a more suitable place, Draft:Walter van Dijk, and added a header so that, when you think it is ready, you can submit it for review. (Your user page is not a place to develop articles: it is for sharing any information you choose to about yourself as a Wikipedia editor).

You have done a workmanlike job, but I'm afraid that, like many new editors, you have built the house without laying the foundations. In my view, your draft does nothing to establish that van Dijk is notable in Wikipedia's special sense of the word. The problem is that not a single one of the references is all of: containing substantial material about the subject (his father's obituary only has a couple of lines, and the reviews have at most a sentence); reliably published (which excludes iMDB, and almost all blogs, even David Tennant's); and independent (which excludes anything published by a festival he's booked at, and also anything like the IOL piece, as it is mostly based on an interview).

I refer to this as the foundations because if you do not establish notability before you start, your draft will never be accepted, and all your work will be wasted. It may be that van Dijk does meet the requirements; but so far, your draft does not establish that. I also wonder where the detail of his life comes from, since as far as I've seen none of the references says much about it. All information in a Wikipedia article should come from a reliably published source; and though citing sources is not compulsory in every case, I've never understood why anybody would not cite a source if they have it, and if they haven't, how do they know that the material belongs in the article? --ColinFine (talk) 14:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - July 2020

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15:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Advice for newcomers

Hello,
You are receiving this message because you are invited to take part at Wikipedia:Advice for newcomers where you can provide advice that will help our newcomers in the future. It is not a discussion forum, just a place where you say what advice would be helpful to our future editors. I would like to get at least 100 editors to take part in this so please feel free to spread the word to other editors as well. I look forward to seeing what you say to newcomers. Interstellarity (talk) 13:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Via your user page, thanks for drawing my attention to the existence of WP:Yorkshire, which I'd somehow overlooked. Given my choice of username I feel obliged to join. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 23:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

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A goat for you!

ColinFine thanks for putting in a redirect to Me'ila. Can you please tell me how to do that?

Akiva100 (talk) 09:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - August 2020

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18:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Mirobenda

Thank you very much for your comments. I have now placed in my sandbox the first draft of my article on modeloids. I would appreciate very much additional comments and suggestions. Miro Benda, Seattle. --Mirobenda (talk) 07:25, 21 December 2018 (UTC) Mirobenda (talk) 07:25, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Your advices

Hi ColinFine,

thank you so much for your precious hints and advices. It is really sad to realize that people are writing at the one hand very useful, accurate information for the enrichment of one´s intellectual knowledge, but at the other hand "fake", wrong (intentionally or not), propaganda-suspect information are spread through the wikipedia world, cost what it may.

Via wikipedia I acquired a lot of know-how highly relevant for my previous jobs. I am still acquiring know-how from wikipedia, with fun .... Again: Thank you so much. --Beautiful Bavaria (talk) 18:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	For reply in Teahouse RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 14:37, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Universal Kakistocrat

Colin You've given me useful input and advice on a couple of items as I learn my way around. Thank you. Could I ask your clarification on a comment you made relating to a Teahouse query I responded to? The original query was titled "This is in my Sandbox, Can You Help Me With Your Input (Opinion) to increase the chances of getting it published?" and you indicated that my response should have been made in the user's sandbox not in the teahouse. I'm trying to learn my way around here: was the error/solecism on the part of the original poster and I compounded it? Or did the OP post correctly and then I responded in the wrong way? Depending on the answer to that forking path I may have a follow-up question if that's ok. This is all from about 20 days ago. Sorry to pull you back in time. I'm not able to work on Wikipedia regularly. Please send my regards to Coxwold and Oulston. I'm a southerner too but I miss them. Universal Kakistocrat (talk) 11:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

My apologies, Universal Kakistocrat: I replied to the wrong use there. (As I remember, the item was very confused in its layout and who was talking). I didn't realise that the suggestion came from a different user, not from the OP. My comment should have been directed at Thedistinguishedlunatic, not at you. --ColinFine (talk) 12:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. You're right that the layout was confusing. I compounded the OP's error by replying. I'll know not to in future. Universal Kakistocrat (talk) 13:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

No, Universal Kakistocrat: there's nothing wrong with replying there. But when you're making a suggestion for the content, it might be more effective to do it on the talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 13:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Universal Kakistocrat (talk) 14:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

At the Teahouse

Since you seem to have ignored my message here, I'd like to remind you again to take a look at what actually happened in that thread. Had you done so, you would have seen that the random link was posted not by me, but by the OP (and no-one has actually taken to criticising them). I request an apology for baselessly insulting me on a public page. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 23:47, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

M Imtiaz, I have just got up in the morning, and seen your message on the Teahouse, to which I apologised. Then I saw this. I'm afraid that when I am asleep I do tend to ignore messages. --ColinFine (talk) 08:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Hello, ColinFine! I came here to thank you for all of your efforts at the Teahouse. Thank you for answering all of minw and others questions! I give you a barnstar for this. You deserve it. HelloImAStudent (talk) 15:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Alisha

Good evening Colin how are you and who are you ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisha rains (talk • contribs) 19:06, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for my actions Alisha rains (talk) 19:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Alisha rains. Thank you - I have moved your comments to a section of their own at the end of the page, rather than being in the middle of another section. You can find out the information about me that I care to share on my User page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok I wanted to ask you a few questions about Wikipedia Alisha rains (talk) 10:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Ask away, Alisha rains. But you might get better answers if you ask somewhere where more people see it, like the Teahouse. --ColinFine (talk) 13:59, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok if I have easy questions I will ask you and if I have hard questions I will put it on tree house Alisha rains (talk) 17:47, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I wanted to ask can you log into wikimedia and the other wiki platforms with your Wikipedia account or must I create one for everyone ? Alisha rains (talk) 20:11, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I would like to know at what age did you retire Alisha rains (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

See unified login, Alisha rains. ColinFine (talk) 20:17, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Alisha rains, I'm not interested in discussing personal matters here. This is an encyclopaedia, not social media. --ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok no problem Alisha rains (talk) 21:18, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I am new so I'm still getting to know all the rules Alisha rains (talk) 21:20, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I went to unified login and it answered my question thank you so much Colin Alisha rains (talk) 21:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)