User talk:Jago25 98

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Use of Talk pages

See WP:TALKNO: "Do not use the talk page as a forum or soapbox for discussing the topic. The talk page is for discussing improving the article".

Wikipedia Talk pages aren't chatrooms. 86.172.141.250 (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. I see so many people doing this that I followed suit.

Which article is this in reference to? -so I can see what you mean Jago25 98 (talk) 17:10, 3 October 2009 (UTC)jago25_98[reply]

I'm looking into the rule because there needs to be somewhere to discuss and debate a subject, because that is the precursor to the article. For many subjects there is no where else to discuss the subject. If we had a place to discuss the subject in addition to the talk page about editing the article we can divert this need.

Toxicity of sodium flourophosphate

I think your warning was due to your question on this article's talk page. Sorry about that, and you are right it does get violated a lot, but the rules are the rules. However, while wikipedia has to remain neutral I don't (though in the future you should probably look for a more helpful place to ask questions like this then a wikipedia talk page). So here is a very long response to your question. If you want just the summary skip to the conclusion in the paragraph below. People need to understand that there are different forms of fluorine. When it exists as an ion (as in TBAF) or when it is mostly ionically bound (as in sodium flouride and other simple flouride salts) flouride is very bad for you. It doesn't kill you, just degrades almost all your organs and such. However if you don't swallow any tooth paste containing sodium flouride, it doesn't really get into your system very well. Ionic salts with strong covalent bonds and or low solubility (like calcium flouride) are okay enough even to swallow. This is because these are the natural sources of flouride and the human body has learned to deal with them basically by avoiding absorbing them altogether even when swallowed. When flouride is bound to non-metals (the upper and right p-block on the period table) then it has a wide diversity of different properties. When bound to carbon it can have properties that range from very (potentially) beneficial (including some potent anti-cancer agents still in various clinical test phases) to very deleterious effects. However when bound to phosphorous as in Sarin or sodium monofluorophosphate it becomes a fairly potent phosphorilating agent of various key proteins in your body, especially in your brain (NOTE: this is very bad).

In conclusion, flourene containing compounds are not necessarily or inherently bad for you, a few might actually help you, but generally speaking if you can't tell the difference between them (it is very hard) the safest thing to do is avoid them like the plague. As for sodium monofluorophosphate, if you look at its MSDS sheet (the sheet we chemists use for assessing safety risks when planning to do our work; available for sodium monofluorophosphate here: www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9925012) you find that little is actually known about its toxicology, health effects, or safety. HOWEVER, what little is known and reproduced in that MSDS sheet does not look good though. Not good at all. I personally would avoid sodium monofluorophosphate like the plague. I am just a PhD (chemistry) not an MD though, so I encourage you to go seek a professional opinion on the matter if you would like a second and more socially accepted as professional opinion for this matter.

Also, in the future, Wikipedia is a bad place to ask questions, it is kind of meant to be read only in terms of no-contributor interactions. Sorry about that. There are a number of on-line ask a Web MD type places that may be good for such things however.86.24.53.39 (talk) 03:26, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]