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Skyifictionable a chara, please desist from your repeated deletion and insertion of contested material at the British Isles article. This article is under a 3RR ruling (already reached today) which means that if you continue to insert such material without consensus, without providing an edit summary to such materials, and attempting to engage in an edit war you may be blocked for a period of time from editing on Wikipedia. If you wish to contest material present in the article or if you wish to insert potentially contrary information to that already present please discuss so at that page's talk page. Please also note that Wikipedia relies on verifiability, not truth. Therefore you should always back up information you place in an article with the relevant sources and references. Regards, Mac Tíre Cowag 17:16, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How dare you

Don't you dare accuse me like you did at talk:British Isles. How dare you? Do you think that the only true definition of an Irishman is a sectarian, hate-filled, murdering terrorist? How about this for a definition: I was born in Ireland (the "free" part, unlike you). Irish is my native language. I speak Irish at home. I think in Irish. I live in Ireland. I voted for the GFA just like 90-whatever percent of my Irish brethren in the RoI and 70-something percent in NI. Accuse me again like that and I will report you under NPA. Mac Tíre Cowag 17:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't believe that is the definition of an Irishman, why would I? I don't hate the British like you are implying, I don't support the dissidents in the North. No. People in Northern Ireland are as Irish as the people in Eire unless of course they choose to be British. You say the "the "free" part, unlike you". I'm I a lesser Irish because I am from Northern Ireland? How DARE you make such an accusation. No Irishman considers Ireland part of the British Isles. End of. Skyifictionable (talk) 18:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You just show how ill-informed you are to the whole thing with the following statement: "People in Northern Ireland are as Irish as the people in Eire unless of course they choose to be British". That is such a outdated backward stereotype for people of prejudice or ignorance. I'm British as i am born in the UK, i am Northern Irish as i was born in Northern Ireland, and i'm Irish i was born on the island of Ireland. See i can be all three. None are mutally exclusive. Mabuska (talk) 17:21, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, people born in Northern Ireland are British due to UK borth, and can choose to take Irish citizenship in addition to. Or if they revoke their British citizenship (which is incredibly rare,) exclusively. Canterbury Tail talk 11:35, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Mabuska, you can be all three, if you choose to. I don't. I am from the Northern Ireland and I choose to be Irish, I have an Irish passport and citizenship. The GFA allows this. It is not a stereotype. And Canterbury Tail, not everyone born in Northern Ireland is British, a large minority (soon to be majority) DO choose not to be British and take Irish citizenship exclusively. It is not rare. It is very common.
Actually being born in NI makes you British by birth, whether you acknowledge it or not. The British government considers you British unless you revoke it. Yes you choose to take Irish citizenship, but from birth you're still British. You may not take advantage of it, not take a passport or identify yourself as such, but from a legal standpoint still born British like anyone anywhere else in the UK. Canterbury Tail talk 13:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And being born in NI makes us Irish by birth also, whether the Unionists acknowledge it or not. I was born on the Island of Ireland and under the Irish government, anyone born in the Island of Ireland is Irish. I am not British, I was never British. That's pretty much the same as Mexico taking over California and forcing everyone to consider themselves Mexican, even though they're not. I was born in Ireland, I am Irish. You cannot tell me what I am and what I am not. Do you live in Northern Ireland? Skyifictionable (talk) 13:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually no it doesn't. Ireland extends citizenship over those in Northern Ireland so they can choose to be Irish, but it cannot force it as it is not its territory as it is part of the UK not part of the sovereign state of Ireland. It's a choice, not a birth definition. People can choose to be Irish, but unless your parents held Irish citizenship, it is not automatic. Automatic entitlement yes, but not automatically becoming. And yes, born in NI by law you're British whether you acknowledge it or not (which many do not), due to being born in the UK not another country. Unless you were born pre union of 1801, which if you were I urge you to contact Guinness immediately. Canterbury Tail talk 15:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It does, I was born on the Island of Ireland. I am Irish from birth. My parents were Irish, their parents etc. Just because a foreign government comes in and tells us that we're "theirs" does not make me any more British than you, assuming you’re from the Republic. Sure, the British government can tell us that we're British, tell us that Northern Ireland is British. We're not. It's not. And let's face it, how can Northern Ireland be sustained when half the people don't want the British there, when the mainland British don't want to be there and when Northern Ireland is run by a bunch of sectarians, who were terrorists or support the sectarian Orange Order. Try telling the 10s of 1000s of people here in NI that their British. You won't be on your feat too long. Skyifictionable (talk) 19:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean "feet" as oppossed to "feat"? Your last statement is full of original research with nothing to back it up and falls into the typical nationalist/republican assumption that religion dictates political persuasion. Firstly Catholics in Northern Ireland are not half the population and secondly its been long stated that a quarter of all Catholics prefer the status quo. NI will still be part of the UK by 2016 and 2021.
"And being born in NI makes us Irish by birth also" - ah not anymore than a person born in Haiti or the Dominican Republic is thus a Hispaniolan but we never hear that term thrown about. Calling somebody from Ireland the island as Irish is quite frankly an outdated nationalist concept. We also don't refer to Papua New Guineans as New Guineans as far as i know. Mabuska (talk) 11:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I mean feet of course. Catholics are half/just under half of the NI population and the majority support a United Ireland. The President of the Republic of Ireland was born and bred in Belfast. People in Northern Ireland are as Irish as anyone else of the Island of Ireland. Deal with it. To compare Irish to Hispaniolan is idiotic. Skyifictionable (talk) 16:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
When you say people in Northern Ireland are as Irish as anyone else on the island of Ireland, then the Hispaniolan comparison is totally valid and hardly idiotic. They are both islands with two different states on them.
You do know that a majority opinion amongst a minority equals a smaller minority in overall terms when all sides are counted in.... Mabuska (talk) 18:37, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a good comparison, because Hispaiolan is not a nationality and the two peoples on the Island are of different ethnicity, culture and language. Just under 50% of Northern Ireland share common culture with the south, even those who wish to remain part of the UK. And of course the people in the North and South speak the same language.
Still, a significant minority in Northern Ireland wish for a United Ireland, going by the UK General election it's just under 50%. Yes, I realise that not everyone turns out for elections. Skyifictionable (talk) 23:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive

Welcome to Wikipedia. At least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at the welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you.Canterbury Tail talk 18:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Coleraine

I don't know whether your trying to make a point or really feel that "disposable income" isn't a plain English term, but i'll let your re-wikilinking slide even though it is against the wikilink guidelines as its quite obvious what disposable income is. Mabuska (talk) 18:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seem obvious to me, so much so that I had to wiki it. Hence why I added the link to make it easier for people who may find themselves in the same position. I'm not the vandal you seem to think I am. Not to be rude, but you're from the South(?) Why are you editing a page about a town you may probably know nothing about? Skyifictionable (talk) 23:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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