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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. ✗plicit 00:07, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DLR Group

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This corporate article has promotional issues and has successfully avoided scrutiny for so long. Most of the coverage about them are brief mentions or routine coverage like acquisitions etc. Per WP:CORPDEPTH, an in-depth coverage is required which is clearly lacking here. A WP:BEFORE search brought some mentions but again no in-depth coverage was found. Clearly fails WP:NCORP. Also, looking at the history of this article, WP:TNT maybe applicable. Belkstein (talk) 22:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree that DLR Group has very clear promotional issues. I can see a justification either way for WP:CORPDEPTH. On one hand, the page does seem to be poorly sourced, promotional, and there are not a ton of secondary sources out there. One the other, their work with UNL and other awards could justify the page being present on the site, it is treading a thin line however. I could support a WP:TNT but the page is so short that it wouldn't be worth the effort. I'll ping the major players since they know more about this topic than me.
@Freechild:, (original creator) assuming you're still active, do you have any comments?
@Flatlanderks:, you are the primary contributor.
@David notMD:, You've been involved as well.
Etriusus 05:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I removed a paragraph listing acquisitions of other companies, which had included six of ten refs; what is left has four refs, of which $1 and #2 are the DLR Group website. Ref #4 is a deadlink to an 2018 interview with the CEO, so that does not contribute to notability either. Are there no useful publications about a large company that has been in existance for more than 50 years? David notMD (talk) 05:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @David notMD:, the more I look, the more I find that there are sources out there. I am relatively baffled that the page has been mishandled into its current state. There are locations all over the US and have done a number of high profile projects. There appears to be enough for a substantially well written article. My best guess is that people were looking up "DLR Group Omaha" and ignoring the other 2 dozen cities they operate in. A 12 year old article shouldn't be in such a state however, I am partially open to a WP:TNT, (or a hard revert if a decent version exists) but don't think deletion is a good idea. (Also, We'd be redlinking a ton of pages by deleting this article)
    Here's just one source [[1]] listing a few projects. They apparently built these buildings: Kings County Superior Court and Pinnacle Bank Arena
    Strong Keep Etriusus 06:18, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Late October 2018 the article included a list of buildings and a list of office locations, all sourced to the DLR Group website as hyperlinks, and in my opinion rightfully removed soon after, as promotiona, not contributing to notability, and not being independent from the company. Have "high profile" projects been written about? This article needs a savior, but it is not going to be me (retired biochemist). David notMD (talk) 06:28, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply I guess since the Wikipedia:WikiProject Nebraska was just revived, it can be brought up there. If it wasn't for the fact I'm embarking on the insanity that will be QAnon's GA review, I'd take point on bringing this article to a serviceable condition. Perhaps afterwards? @Blaze Wolf:, would this be manageable for you or someone else in the project?
    @David notMD:, I don't disagree with the cut of information on your end, the article is a veritable mess. "The Journal of the American Institute of Architects" has ample information and I'm finding mentions on NBC as well. In regards to local sources, there is a plethora. If we can't get anyone to take up the page, then perhaps WP:TNT is the best option. I am worried about the rather large (95) redlinks we'd make from this. Etriusus 06:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Etriusus: I'd prefer if someone else handled it. I'd prefer to not handle AFDs that are outside my general area of interest because usually I don't know enough to be able to support or oppose the AfD. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 11:47, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment I ultimately bit the bullet and have substantially expanded the page in an attempt to rescue it. It's not perfect and realistically needs more attention but this is my best job at a patchwork solution for the time being. The page passes WP:NOTE with flying colors and hopefully, someone else can pick this up now that this page has somewhat of a foundation.Etriusus 05:05, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 23:43, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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