Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danial Hajibarat

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The result was delete. bibliomaniac 1 5 04:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Danial Hajibarat

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Doesn't pass WP:GNG or WP:Creative. Hanooz (talk) 21:15, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

+ The Road of Love and Liberation (Movie). Hanooz (talk) 21:16, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:17, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:17, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -Does pass WP:GNG or WP:Creative Because he is an independent filmmaker in Iran, Resources are for complete proof.Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 22:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)— Hoseinkhosravii (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep does pass WP:GNG or WP:Creative All secondary sources prove it. The references are reliable and no reason has been found for the deletion.Bidelirania (talk) 10:13, 11 April 2020 (UTC)— Bidelirania (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete - As per nom. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 19:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Does pass WP:Creative References are acceptable and accurate,This is a good article for this independent filmmaker.علیرضا رضوی (talk) 20:42, 10 April 2020 (UTC)— علیرضا رضوی (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete the article is total junk. It is trying to pass of non-reliable sources as reliable, there is no substance here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Hoseinkhosravii is the creator of this article. Persian search does not bring any reliable source too. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 05:46, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Spada II ♪♫ There are also reputable sources in Persian search, But you don't see it because of sanctions,Anyway the sources of the article are sufficient and valid,Even more than any article for one person. Thank you Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 10:36, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - It has nothing to do with sanctions! I live in Iran. The sources does not meet WP:RS. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 15:09, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It would help if those advocating keeping this article could identify which sources are independent and reliable. Imdb is not. Sources in Persian and offline sources can be used, but at the moment we have no indication of what sources exist. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:27, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Phil Bridger In addition, there are several authoritative sources in the article and that the IMDb site is one of the most reputable film and filmmaker information sites that not everyone is in,The sources of this article are many, precise and clear, At Wikipedia, all users seem to be looking to delete rather than write! Thank You Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 17:52, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Hoseinkhosravii I agree with you, Most of the Iranian artists who have an article on Wiki are the only source of them IMDb site, and this article has better and more references. Your references which is complete and correctعلیرضا رضوی (talk) 18:05, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then say which of the references are independent and reliable. However many people might turn up to say otherwise, an IMDb entry does not mean that the subject is notable, and from my knowledge of Russian I can see that a КиноПоиск entry also doesn't. I don't read Persian, so please just say which of the sources in that language contribute to notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:21, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Phil Bridger All its sources are valid and it clearly shows that this person is an independent filmmaker in Iran. You need to read an independent filmmaker's article, Thanks Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 18:38, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's simply not true that all its sources are valid. IMDb and КиноПоиск are not. Why can't you just say which of the Persian sources are better than these? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:02, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Phil Bridger As far as I know IMDb is one of the most reputable sites, but there are other English and Persian sources in this article that show this, for example: Filcin and 7watchlist and in Aparat you can see all the Films of this the person. But if this is the case the sources of all other articles on Wikipedia should not be valid and should be deleted? Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 19:49, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As Wikipedia's guidelines at WP:RS/IMDB make clear, IMDb is not suitable as a sole or leading source. The subject of the article is not significant enough to warrant his own Wikipedia page. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 19:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - ~dom Kaos~ But there is another references, and according to WP: Creative, it doesn't matter what language the sources are for filmmakers and independent filmmakers, or how many. علیرضا رضوی (talk) 20:17, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment ~dom Kaos~ According to WP: Creative ,The subject of the article is clear and it is about an independent filmmaker in Iran. The resources are complete and it proves it. Thanks Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 20:54, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as failing WP:BIO due to not meeting the WP:BASIC and WP:FILMMAKER criteria. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Erik You are wrong, Your opinion has nothing to do with the subject Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 18:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is not my opinion. It is Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. The subject does not meet them to warrant a standalone article or a mention anywhere else, judging from any mention in reliable sources. The sources mentioned here do not qualify as reliable and independent and meaningful. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Erik Resources can be in any language, and these resources are correct and according to Wikipedia's rules. Thanks Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 18:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Language is not the issue. It's about the sources. For example, the directors mentioned here would be in the running for having their own standalone articles (though more sources than that one would be needed to meet WP:N's requirement of multiple sources). This figure has not had that kind of coverage that discusses him. Film databases and directories do not count to establish notability. They could be used to reinforce further details, but they're not the sources that help with notability. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Erik This article is about an independent filmmaker in Iran, not a director named in Hollywood, Of course, this site is not visible in our country! Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 18:37, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We keep getting this mantra repeated that he is an independent filmmaker. Just being an independent filmmaker is far from enough to justify having a Wikipedia article without proper sources, which don't include comprehensive directories that anyone can write for. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:42, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Phil Bridger Sources suggest that he is an independent filmmaker and could have an article according to WP: Creative and this article has a lot more resources than other articles written about these people, Thank you dear Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 18:50, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, WP:Creative does not say that every independent filmmaker should have an article. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Phil Bridger says can haveWP:Creative , and He has also appeared on Iranian television for TV show and series Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 19:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sourcing appears to be unreliable and fails WP:Creative. Best, GPL93 (talk) 23:52, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Are the sources unreliable because they are in another language?! There are also authoritative English sources in the article, Thanks Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 10:38, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It has already been explained above that it is not the language, but the nature, of the sources that makes them unreliable. Just as IMDb is not a reliable source so similar sources in other languages are not reliable. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Phil Bridger So you say there is no reliable source for you on the internet.Well, that's how all the wiki articles should be deleted! Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 11:12, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Resources may be low,But the given sources confirm the text of the article,If it is low, can be replace the code delete, the refimprove code to make the article more complete in the future. Hoseinkhosravii (talk) 13:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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