Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iron Maiden (comics)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Black Widow characters. It's WP:CRYSTAL that the character will get more notability-establishing coverage because of an upcoming film, but it's also not unheard of. Redirect until then as an alternative to deletion. – sgeureka ^t•c 19:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Iron Maiden (comics)

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This fails to establish notability. The character simply existing in an upcoming film is does not equate to being notable. It can be restored should the film give enough sources to establish notability. TTN (talk) 15:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 15:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 15:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as I think it is premature to delete when there is an upcoming film appearance which will likely generate more sources talking about the character than we already have in the article, but failing that a merge to List of Black Widow characters until the Black Widow film comes out makes more sense than outright deletion. BOZ (talk) 15:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Black Widow characters as a non-notable character._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WP:NCOMIC says the character is presumed notable if "Featured prominently in [a ...] movie of a comic book property (e.g. not a cameo)". If the character has a prominent role in Black Widow as expected, this article meets the essay critera. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's a really bad project guideline that nobody should use. That partly how we currently have this unending mess of articles. TTN (talk) 21:11, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is there another notability guideline or essay specific for comic book characters somewhere? Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:15, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so, but it seems easy enough to default to WP:WAF and WP:GNG. This definitely doesn't have a real world perspective, and news articles about simple inclusion in a movie don't really do anything for content or notability. The opinions in that essay seem like a holdover from the Wikipedia of a decade ago where people simply made the assumption of notability on fictional items. Though the essay itself is relatively new. TTN (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Black Widow characters. I did an extensive search on Google and Newspapers.com to find any significant coverage of the character to no avail. If/when the character receives more coverage after the release of the film in May to pass WP:GNG, I would support a standalone article. Looking at the current state of List of Black Widow characters, I do not see how a merge of the contents from this article could happen. The essential information is already given in the table, and the remaining content in this article is too trivial (and probably undue weight) to include there. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails GNG and I don't think the supposed list fares better. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:22, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect... somewhere as an alternative to deletion. This has an odd nomination... if "it can be restored" later, why delete it outright and make someone's life more difficult? I guess we could Draft it (unless someone wants to volunteer their Sandbox). Maybe Drafting is better since if there's nothing to add, it will eventually speedy WP:G13. I don't have a target preference—didn't even know that list existed. -2pou (talk) 22:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eagles247. The mass WP:COMICS deletion nominations from TTN (who appears woefully unfamiliar with subject matter of these nominations) is also troubling. The rationales behind a few of these, including Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goblin (Marvel Comics) are also erroneous and unjustified. Maybe they should open a larger discussion expressing their concern with the WikiProject instead? Dark Knight 2149 22:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Darkknight2149: My !vote ended up being "redirect". Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My vote still stands. Maybe a merge would also be justified. Dark Knight 2149 22:17, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, just wanted to clarify since your rationale for keeping this article is agreeing with an editor who does not think the article is notable enough for inclusion on a stand-alone basis at this time. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.