Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Living Prime Ministers of Australia

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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 23:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Living Prime Ministers of Australia

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In short, this is a list of various tenures of PMs of Australia and the number of former PMs alive during that tenure. Do we need such a convolution of existing data on wikipedia.

There are also pages like List of Prime Ministers of Australia by age,wouldn't a simple sort of the age column in List of Prime Ministers of Australia be enough? Daiyusha (talk) 10:01, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Special:PrefixIndex/Living Prime. Cabayi (talk) 10:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason for keeping. In my opinion, all of those articles are just as liable for deletion as this one. Ajf773 (talk) 00:57, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Cabayi (talk) 10:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Cabayi (talk) 10:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fascinating? but certainly not encyclopedic, ie, what is the use of the articles. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, hence does not count. Sadly someone has done a lot of work. Definitely looks like WP:OR and mild WP:SYNTH. I note that at least one of the other existing articles is already tagged as such. If a graph could be provided of the number alive at any point in time it might be a !definite keep? Aoziwe (talk) 10:50, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep No, the List of Prime Ministers of Australia by age can't be used to see the same information. The two Age columns are for the age at which the PM assumed office, and the age at which they left it. The Died column (the date of death) might have been used this way, but it sorts the living PMs (ie without a death date) next to those with the earliest death dates - and in any case, we'd need to be able to sort by multiple columns at once. This article could do with some improvement in the text (I don't think we've had any dead people who've served as PM), and it needs references, plus I would suggest reordering the columns to Start date, Start event, End date, End event, Duration, Living PMs - but it is a very useful tool for seeing which former PMs were alive at any point in time. As for whether it's a topic that is notable and has coverage: there are often articles about living former prime ministers in regards to how many are drawing pensions, and when one dies, how many are still alive and/or turn up at the funeral. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:01, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unsourced and needless trivia. We already have List of Prime Ministers of Australia by age which is more encyclopedic and covers much of the content in this article without going in to WP:SYNTH territory. Ajf773 (talk) 00:57, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG, WP:LISTN, and WP:POLITICIAN .Bryson 85 (talk) 10:44, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete completely unsourced, possibly WP:OR, fails WP:GNG (are there any other websites that list this information?). SportingFlyer talk 18:06, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:41, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete — Looks like a lot of original research went into this article. I cannot find sources, however, that validate it as a noteworthy topic requiring an article. How is GNG met, as it is argued, if the article is unsourced and no reliable sources have been offered?TheGracefulSlick (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and should delete by age list also, List of Prime Ministers of Australia will show who is alive and the age, the other two lists are pointless trivia. Govvy (talk) 22:11, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this is trivia. LR.2002 (talk · contribs) was trying to do this template form in August before being blocked for sock-puppetry. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:48, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Power~enwiki - would you care to raise an SPI at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/LukaRuckels so the article can be WP:G5'd and we can knock this discussion on the head? Cabayi (talk) 13:25, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, I think it's stale. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:52, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unsourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:300:C930:C5D5:BEE4:8670:ABAF (talk) 05:04, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I note that this was PRODded, unPRODded, and proposed for AfD all on the same day that the article was created. Why wasn't a tag added to the page before AfD, per WP:BEFORE? eg Notability, Unreferenced? RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:10, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RebeccaGreen If Daiyusha believes that the subject is not encyclopedic (wrongly in my view), that it's too much like WP:FANCRUFT, what difference would it make to add more sources, or to wait and let editors waste more time on it? What WP:BEFORE steps would, or could, alter Daiyusha's view? None that I can see. Cabayi (talk) 13:17, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Trivia Nick-D (talk) 05:03, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I know a lot of people find these sort of articles fascinating. It's a good example of how each of the living PMs has changed over the years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.108.37 (talk) 06:15, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:INTERESTING isn't a reasonable argument against deletion. Ajf773 (talk) 07:48, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - trivia and original research Spiderone 18:25, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - valid topic per precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Living Presidents of the United States - WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP and WP:Systemic bias 82.132.186.90 (talk) 19:43, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. There is no precedent for articles like this, that other one just happened to pass an AfD. Ajf773 (talk) 21:37, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, "hey coola, can you tell me which ozzie pms are still alive?", "easy, just have a look at List of Prime Ministers of Australia, go down to the end of the list and there they are from Hawkie downwards", "thanks mate". Coolabahapple (talk) 00:03, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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