Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teatro dos Grandes Atores

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Barra da Tijuca. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:42, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Teatro dos Grandes Atores

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant English-language coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. " It was deprodded by User:SD0001 with rationale "there is likely to be Portuguese language coverage". But WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES is insufficient as an AfD argument - one has to actually demonstrate such sources. I don't see anything, through I don't speak Portuguese, however I did look at the Portuguese article which is totally unreferenced. This theater is new, created in 1995, and is unlikely to have become historically significant in the 25 years, through if anyone can find proper in-depth sources in Portuguese, I'll be happy to withdraw this. PS. For non-notable theaters, a good place to save such content is Wikivoyage, which is where such entries can actually be useful and welcome. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:47, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Theatre-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a directory of everything in the universe that exists or has existed, but theaters are the kind of thing for which readers expect Wikipedia may have articles. There are various Portuguese language sources. Many of them are about shows, like [1], which do not really count towards notability, although they could be added to the article to give a sense of the kind of performance it stages. There are short directory-type descriptions at [2], [3], [4], [5] and [6]. I found one article about a partnership with Agência do Bem [7]. Technically these are probably enough to demonstrate notability. Various independent sources have noted and discussed the theater.

The theater is in Shopping Barra Square, a 16,898 square metres (181,890 sq ft) mall that opened in 1995 in Barra da Tijuca. When the mall was being planned and built, and when it opened, there would have been news stories about investors, permits, architecture, parking, the usual controversies. So the mall probably warrants an article, which could say a bit about the theater. Until that is written, a simple way to handle this theater would be to make a section in Barra da Tijuca for "culture", a paragraph for the theater, and change this entry to a redirect to that paragraph.

The Teatro dos Grandes Atores (Great Actors Theater) is located in the Shopping Barra Square mall. It has a small 35 square metres (380 sq ft) foyer, and two auditoriums, each with 396 seats, the Blue Room and the Red Room. Both have good acoustics, and balconies that give good views of the stage. The theater opened in 1995 with Aparecida Margarida, with Marília Pêra, in the Blue Room and A Era do Rádio directed by Sérgio Britto in the Red Room. Since 2009 the theater has partnered with Agência do Bem, and since 2011 has let the agency's Orquestra Nova Sinfonia, a youth orchestra, use its stage for rehearsals.

Aymatth2 (talk) 14:38, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

- I am fine with merge, I'll just note that the sources mentioned here do not seem sufficient to satisfy NORG, and neither does the plaza/mall seem to do so. Those are all examples of WP:ROUTINE (or rather, Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)#Examples_of_trivial_coverage), business-as-usual coverage based on press releases and such, and articles which can't point out to anything better get routinely (pun intended) deleted. Theaters should have articles, if the pass NORG. Minor theaters that nobody has written about in depth belong only in the parent articles as short mentions, and on Wikivoyage, and not as stand-alone articles on Wikipedia. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:03, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Barra da Tijuca Culture as per Aymatth2 and because "theaters are the kind of thing for which readers expect Wikipedia may have articles." XavierItzm (talk) 00:57, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge As suggested.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.