Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Battle of City of Rocks

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Battle of City of Rocks

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Fails establishment of notability. ––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Idaho, and Utah. ––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Military. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete: Fails WP:MILNG. The only source cited falls under WP:PRIMARY and WP:AGE MATTERS, this should not have been in the mainspace to begin with. Garudam ^Talk! 22:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for failing nearly every criteria in WP:NEVENTS: lasting events, geographical scope, duration of coverage, diversity of sources. One newspaper article isn't going to get the job done. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - nothing in Josephy's The Civil War in the American West or Cutrer's Theater of a Separate War. I turned up a passing mention in an 1865 government report. Nothing that shows evidence of notability here. Hog Farm _Talk 01:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable, and this user has a history of adding what is essentially trivia to articles about California in the Civil War taken almost exclusively from contemporary newspaper accounts. This article is no exception. Intothat darkness 02:31, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and admonishment to the creator User:Tablelegs6. "Battle of City of Rocks" yields zero results on Google/Books/News. Beyond a single primary source of an 1862 newspaper article being insufficient to base an article on, it's wildly inappropriate to just make names up as if this is an actual title given by historians. That does not appear to be the case and "battle" is not in the source. Is there any other coverage of this event? What is the historical significance? City of Rocks National Reserve#History could certainly use expansion with sources like [1], but standalone articles on events covered in one contemporaneous newspaper article is not what we need. A second admonishment for the article being a WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE of the primary source, for example the source says "...which gave the travelers the impression that they were bringing to them beef. In a short time however, other Indians were seen coming out in all directions, mounted and on foot. Between thirty and forty Indians, mounted on fine large horses, very shortly after came dashing down upon them and commenced firing" and the article says "which gave them the impression that they were bringing some beef. As that was happening other Natives were seen coming out in all directions, some on horses others on foot. Between 30-40 Indians mounted on horses and rushed the men then opened fire." Even if this is out of copyright, it's not appropriate to copy and paste one news report and just make minor changes and call it an encyclopedia article. Reywas92^Talk 05:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have also nominated the creator's similarly single-source-paraphrased articles with manufactured titles Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magdalena Affair and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Sulphur Springs, may also do Tanori's Raid and Skirmish at Grass Valley in the morning. Reywas92^Talk 05:55, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The paraphrasing is a common issue with this author. I've been doing cleanup in many California Civil War unit articles centering on this very thing. Intothat darkness 13:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.