Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William E. Hill

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The result was delete. This does not prevent someone adding a redirect. Stifle (talk) 14:35, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

William E. Hill

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Fails WP:BASIC. Tuskegee Airman killed in a training accident who never deployed overseas. Source analysis follows

**Source assessment table:**
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://riahof.org/field-of-accomplishment/civilian-aviation/minorities/2-lt-william-e-hill	As Hill was a Rhode Island native the Rhode Island Aviation Hall of Fame cannot be considered independent			✘ No
https://cafriseabove.org/2nd-lt-william-e-hill/		CAF is a user contributor website of questionable reliability		✘ No
https://www.congress.gov/109/plaws/publ213/PLAW-109publ213.pdf			about the Congressional Gold Medal awarded to the Tuskegee Airmen in 2006, not about him	✘ No
The Tuskegee Airmen: An Illustrated History, 1939-1949			name in a list of airmen on p 218	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Mztourist (talk) 03:46, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Mztourist (talk) 03:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, albeit weakly. I don't think it's reasonable that the Rhode Island Aviation Hall of Fame is non-independent of Hill because he lived in Rhode Island. There seems to be editorial independence between Hill himself and that board; I think to suggest otherwise would be silly. After a basic search, I found some coverage of Hill from Michigan Tech, but it's not significant enough to contribute in and of itself towards WP:NBASIC. In my view, we have one significant, in-depth reliable source. If we can come up with another, I'd be glad to change my !vote to keep. For now, however, I think the correct answer would to delete it based on the evidence I can find. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:40, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep although one might argue, as per nomination, that subject fails WP:BASIC, I find that the subject complies with WP:ANYBIO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrts (talk • contribs) 11:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

what part of ANYBIO do you believe he satisfies? Mztourist (talk) 16:00, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on its own it does not make him notable, but I disagree with "As Hill was a Rhode Island native the Rhode Island Aviation Hall of Fame cannot be considered independent" from the source assesment. Is a national Hall of Fame not independent because it gives awards to prominent figures from that country? Rusalkii (talk) 18:43, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I managed to find this article, and he's discussed briefly here, mostly in the context of his plane. The search results are generally shadowed by William L. Hill, also a Tuskegee Airman, who fought through the entire war. Rusalkii (talk) 18:43, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CAF is covered in the source assessment table already, it is not reliable. Mztourist (talk) 03:05, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd personally be fine with CAF if I can find any information on editorial oversight; it's certainly volunteer-run, but it isn't an open wiki. If it's just individuals making blog posts, then I'm inclined to not count it. And, since I really have no way of ruling that out, my analysis above discounted it. For what it's worth, the website is run by this group, so if we can find WP:USEBYOTHERS more broadly, then I might see it as being a reliable source. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 06:02, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is no editorial oversight. At numerous recent AFDs CAF has been deemed to be unreliable. Mztourist (talk) 06:41, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Merge into a list of Tuskegee Airmen. Not enough on its own to qualify for anything. And given the errors I've found in their articles, if CAF has editorial oversight they need to fire those individuals and get new ones. Intothat darkness 20:54, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Tuskegee Airmen. Being the "first black pilot from Rhode Island in the Army Air Forces" may be enough for the Rhode Island Aviation Hall of Fame, but it's not enough for WP:BIO. Wikipedia is WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Tuskegee Airmen. Seems to be the case where most of the coverage is about the airmen as a whole rather than the individual in the article. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:33, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Topic lacks sufficient coverage to meet BASIC and sufficient distinction to meet ANYBIO. Avilich (talk) 23:06, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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