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FC Zwolle

I've created this article, and after a time-out spent on other articles, I have today expanded this article. I'm afraid I have to admit I have now reached a writer's block. What parts could I add? And what improvements does the article as it exists need? Anyone is more than welcome to review this article, but I'm especially looking for peer reviews of users with experience with other football-related articles. Aecis 17:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi. I'm fairly new here (~400 edits), so I can't judge what would make it featured article standard but I've got a few ideas for improvements. I've made a few grammatical changes to the article. Here's how I think it could be improved:

• The history section could do with being split into sections.
• I think it would be better to name the Eredivisie as the highest level in Dutch football and then just refer to it as the Eredivisie later in the article, instead of writing "the highest level of Dutch football".
• There are large gaps in the history section - there's nothing from 1910-1955 and nothing from 1955-78. There must have been something worth mentioning in those periods - some promotions and relegations maybe?
• It might be worth adding some more statistics at the end - record victory, record attendance, that sort of thing. I wouldn't have thought this would be essential though.

Hope that helps a bit. CTOAGN 20:11, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips :-) I've added some statistics, I've sectioned the club history and I've changed the use of Eredivisie and "the highest level of Dutch football". When I can find the time, I'll expand the club history. Any other tips? Aecis 28 June 2005 19:23 (UTC) I've now processed the first parts of the club history. There's more on its way.

Some tips (rather than "you need to do this"-suggestions):

• Expand the introduction with a few sentences. Make the reader interrested in the team. The reader will think "Why should I continue reading?", and you'll have to find an answer to that and write it down in the introduction. For example mentioning the date of foundation, the two runners-up in the cup, or the fact that the club almost went bankrupt once but managed to fix that, but then went bankrupt a few years later. Maybe move parts of the introduction you have under history directly up to the real introduction, and move the rest into the history section?
• I think there is no need to italicize the club names in the first history paragraph. Even though the Manual of Style mentions italicizing of foreing phrases, I personally don't think that it does apply to club names (or the bank name further down, which might also be wikilinked?). Speaking about the history section. If you intend to expand it even more at a later stage, consider moving the contents to History of FC Zwolle and just keep a shortened version at FC Zwolle.
• IMHO, the squad section takes way to much place. Consider making it more compact by using the style commonly used on other pages, for example Arsenal F.C. (whose history section is way too long, BTW) or IFK Göteborg (shameless self-promotion ;D). If you still want to retain the positions of the players, check out my solution at the IFK article. For extra facts (like new for the season), place it in parantheses and italicized after the player name. The method recommended also includes player numbers.

Hope it helps, and please contribute more to the various football articles, it is needed! -- Elisson | Talk 3 July 2005 13:07 (UTC)

Thanks to you as well. I've expanded the intro and edited the italics. The problem was with the squad section. What you have done with the IFK Göteborg (GK, DF, MF, ST) was a very good solution. The only problem I faced is that FC Zwolle doesn't play with dedicated numbers. The starting line-up has numbers 1 thru 11, and that is different every match. So I sorted the players in alphabetical order, which seemed like the most logical thing to do. Aecis 3 July 2005 22:24 (UTC)

Looking good! Sorting after surname was a good solution. I have no further suggestions, although, as I am not a native speaker of English, you might want to get someone fluent in English that can copyedit the article (as you've expanded the article since CTOAGN looked it through), if that is needed. -- Elisson | Talk 4 July 2005 04:56 (UTC)

I forgot. If you want it up on Wikipedia:FAC, you might want to add a non-copyrighted image, and also try to reduce the number of red links in the squad, legendary playeres and coaches sections, by creating articles on the persons in question. -- Elisson | Talk 4 July 2005 17:08 (UTC)