Talk:Patrick Bet-David

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He not Persian. Hes Assyrian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C0:5744:26B6:18AC:BF25:9073:98DD (talk) 15:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

I am not a wikipedia editor, but here are more general sources for anyone who wants them:

https://www.newsweek.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/patrick-bet-david-entrepreneur-success-brad-lea-podcast-1936778

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-barron-trump-bet-david-millionaires-1898065

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-questions-harris-racial-ethnic-identity-podcast-interview/story?id=114906094

https://thespectator.com/topic/inside-unlikely-success-patrick-bet-david/ 47.190.117.192 (talk) 21:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it is easy to verify with mainstream sources that Bet-David is a well-known podcaster with a long list of celebrity guest appearances. It may be worthwhile to write the article from that perspective (Podcaster) instead of trying to establish a bunch of details about his business career?

First few citations

@Bonadea: The first few citations come from the infobox since he has YouTube channels. It's the metadata (e.g., subscribers) that the article is citing in those cases, not a specific video or something. Snowman304|talk 02:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please explain how the Spectator's article (https://thespectator.com/topic/inside-unlikely-success-patrick-bet-david/) which does a whole profile on Patrick Bet-David not a reputable source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spectator Avaldcast (talk) 01:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Snowman304 and @Bonadea please go through citations. There's definitely reputable citations now and it was decline because "youtube" citations were at the top. Okay, moved reputable citations to the top now. Avaldcast (talk) 02:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Snowman304: Your comment confused me at first because I didn't understand how I could have missed that – but I think you must have been looking at a later version of the draft. When I declined it and commented on the first few sources, the draft looked like this!

@Avaldcast: Nobody has commented on the Spectator source. It looks like my comment about the first five sources was misinterpreted: when you review a draft and find that none of the first sources is reliable, independent, and secondary, it is a waste of time to go on with the review. My point was that those sources could not be used and most of them should be removed entirely, it had nothing to do with the order of the references. You have submitted the draft for review, and the reviewer will make a new evaluation of the sources and the draft content. I'll make a quick source consolidation to help the next reviewer (as well as any future readers of the article). --bonadea contributions talk 08:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bonadea and @Snowman304 I added the Youtube portion and citations as with the Spectator source. So not sure what "version" you were referring to that the first citations were Youtube but the 4th or 5th one was the Spectator. Since the Spector article refers to Patrick's 8 million subscribers on Youtube, then I guess that could be a source for that aspect as well. Avaldcast (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing by Avaldcast/NebulaDrift

NebulaDrift, you are falling short of being a constructive editor on this article:

You wrote "He is part the congregation of Assyrian priest Mari Emmanuel" and used this source. The source does seem to support this claim at all. See WP:VER. I'm removing.

This source, which you cited, does seem to even mention Patrick Bet-David? It's also inappropriate to put sources in the lead that are not used in the body. I have removed.

You wrote Bet-David's political stance and involvement have sparked controversy in some circles, and you cite [1][2][3] – NONE of these mention anything about PBD controversies. I'm removing reference to that.

You make citation to this and other YouTube videos. Youtube videos are not appropriate sources per WP:RSYT. I've removed.

These are just a few ones I've checked, presumably there are others.

Zenomonoz (talk) 10:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]