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If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place <code><nowiki>{{help me}}</nowiki></code> before the question. Again, welcome! <!-- Template:Welcome --> ==Thanks== Thanks, Resnjari! If/when you do it, please let me know :) [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 11:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC) * Before I list what I need translated, what is the language you will be translating the articles into? [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 12:48, 8 April 2012 (UTC) * If it's Albanian, I need [[Peel District School Board]] translated into Albanian - Its Albanian website is at http://www.peelschools.org/albanian/home/ - Thanks [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 03:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC) Thanks :) [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 04:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC) == Translation == Thank you [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 14:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC) * Thank you so much! [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 18:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC) Thank you very much! [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 19:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC) * Again, thank you! It's interesting that the Macedonian ministry had a website in Albanian [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 18:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC) Ok. Thanks for letting me know :) - Have fun with your studies! [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 05:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC) == re Greek Muslims RM == Resnjari, the RM was open for over 30 days which 4X the normal time such processes are designed for. When I relisted the move after its first week, I specifically notified several Wikiprojects to increase participation. It remained open for three more weeks. When I closed it, I drew my conclusion from the totality of the discussion. I understand you disagree with the conclusion. However, if you feel the RM was closed prematurely or improperly, WP has a process called [[Wikipedia:Move review]] that can address those concerns. I would suggest you use that process if indeed you feel the close was improper or premature. Thanks --[[User:Mike Cline|Mike Cline]] ([[User talk:Mike Cline|talk]]) 15:09, 18 April 2015 (UTC) == Source interpretation == Hello, I discovered one source misinterpretation of yours. With this edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims&diff=next&oldid=612073275 diff] you added estimations of the number of Muslim (including Albanians) refugees from Serbia. You explained that Stefanović and Jagodić estimated that number was 71, 000 Muslims with 49, 000 being Albanian. After this assertion you stated that: * ''due to incomplete statistics of that era regarding certain districts, Jagodić states that the numbers of Albanians and Muslims that left Serbia was “much larger”'' The source you used does not support your assertion here. Here is complete "much larger" sentence from [http://balkanologie.revues.org/265 the source (Jagodić)]: * ''As far as I know, there is only one anticipation about the number of refugees and it is accepted in the Serbian historiography. J. Cvijić suggested that there were about 30 000 Albanian refugees. I believe that the number of Albanians and Muslims in general, who emigrated from the new counties of Serbia, was much larger.'' Then Jagodić extensively research this number and concludes in the "Conclusion" section: * ''The opinion that 30 000 Albanians emigrated from Serbia, has remained unquestioned for almost a century. That number was bigger : 49 000 out of, at least, 71 000 emigrated Muslims.'' It is obvious that "much larger" expression was used to refer to number of 30,000, not to 49,000 like you wrote. --[[User:Antidiskriminator|Antidiskriminator]] ([[User talk:Antidiskriminator|talk]]) 19:56, 16 May 2015 (UTC) :Error made late at night? [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims&diff=next&oldid=612073275 At 14:47]? Your last POV pushing attempt ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims&type=revision&diff=662725700&oldid=662655355 diff]) which includes giving undue weight to irrelevant Albanian nationalistic mythology about autochtonous Illyrians does not leave much space for assumption of good faith. --[[User:Antidiskriminator|Antidiskriminator]] ([[User talk:Antidiskriminator|talk]]) 08:04, 17 May 2015 (UTC) ::You are caught red handed here and your overly long comments can not disguise your "late at night" source misinterpretations. Albanian nationalist mythology of victimized autochtonous Illyrians is irrelevant for 1876-1878 events. This edit of yours ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims&type=revision&diff=662741572&oldid=662740715 diff]) removed referenced assertion with false explanation. Please don't continue with source misinterpretations and cherry picking. --[[User:Antidiskriminator|Antidiskriminator]] ([[User talk:Antidiskriminator|talk]]) 09:09, 17 May 2015 (UTC) :::Your edits are highly problematic. Your ''"late at night"'' excuse failed. To make things worse, your comments are too long and problematic edits are on massive scale which makes any attempt to deal with issues you create more difficult. For every resolved issues you swiftly create more new issues with your source misinterpretations, cherry picking and original research. All pushing Albanian nationalistic Illyrin authochtonous victimisation mythology, even to articles completely unrelated to it. Original research and source misinterpretation is also on massive scale. Take for example your addition of 1992 work as source for your ''"current day Serbian historians"'' ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims&type=revision&diff=662725700&oldid=662655355 diff]). Jagodic explains that Albanian began populating region in question in second half of the 18th century to present background of the events. That information is unquestioned by scholars. Whether Albanians descend from one ancient Illyrian tribe from norther Albanian mountains is irrelevant for 1876 events. You extensively use Jagodic when it suits your point of view, avoiding to present assertions that do not. That is cherry picking.--[[User:Antidiskriminator|Antidiskriminator]] ([[User talk:Antidiskriminator|talk]]) 11:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC) ::::After your failure with ''"late at night"'' excuse, you unjustifiedly accused me for personal attack ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAntidiskriminator&type=revision&diff=662754717&oldid=662746862 diff]) althogh I always clearly referred to your edits. [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]] policy says: ''"Accusing someone of making personal attacks without providing a justification for your accusation is also considered a form of personal attack."'' Please be so kind not to continue with violation of this wikipedia policy in future. ::::Instead to gain consensus for your position, you opted for violation of multiple wikipedia policies ([[wp:brd]], [[Wikipedia:Edit warring]], [[Wikipedia:Editing policy]]....) and edit warred ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims&type=revision&diff=662621570&oldid=662582420 diff1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims&type=revision&diff=662725700&oldid=662655355 diff2] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims&type=revision&diff=662763449&oldid=662743032 diff3]) to insert irrelevant ancient Albanian-Illyrian hipothesis to 1876-1878 events. No doubt you know it is disruptive and wrong. You are here to push Greater Albanian nationalistic Illyrian authochtonous victimisation mythology, not [[WP:NOTHERE|to build an encyclopedia]]. I don't intend to participate in your edit wars, nor I have intention to lose more of my time to deal with your massive problematic edits and [[Wikipedia:Gaming the system|gaming the system]]. You are of course free to disagree, but I don't think you should expect everybody to be somehow obliged to keep discussing with you for as long as you are dissatisfied. All the best. --[[User:Antidiskriminator|Antidiskriminator]] ([[User talk:Antidiskriminator|talk]]) 17:15, 17 May 2015 (UTC) With this edit ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims&diff=next&oldid=662757674 diff]) you continued with your source misinterpretations: * The source discuss presence of ancient <u>Dacians and Illyrians</u> in Morava valley * The text you added say: "<u>Romanians and Albanians</u> lived in close proximity at one time during the early medieval period in the area of the Morava valley" The source you used actually directly refutes your position and explains that Albanian-Illyrian connection is controversial hypothesis ''"important in Albanian nation building myths"''. That way the source additionally proves that I was right when I wrote that you are here to push Greater Albanian nationalistic Illyrian authochtonous victimisation mythology <u>(completely irrelevant for 1876 events)</u>, not [[WP:NOTHERE|to build an encyclopedia]]. Your removal of ''"may have"'' term (disguised with false explanation in the edit line [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims&type=revision&diff=663374142&oldid=663205921 diff]) is blatant violation of [[Wikipedia:Honesty]] aimed to additionally misinterpret already heavily misinterpreted source. Your disruptive actions connected with [[Persecution of Ottoman Muslims]] and your comments in which you try to imply ethnicity based motives to my editing ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAntidiskriminator&type=revision&diff=662856364&oldid=662375815 I hope this is not because i am of Albanian heritage]) made editing unpleasant for me and discouraged me from further editing of this article. In order to avoid being subjected to this kind of treatment this will be my last comment in this article which will be removed from my watchlist. All the best. --[[User:Antidiskriminator|Antidiskriminator]] ([[User talk:Antidiskriminator|talk]]) 09:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC) :I already explained you that your editing discouraged me from further editing of [[Persecution of Ottoman Muslims]] article. I am not even watching it. Therefore my edits as reaction on your comments are not expected. Please be so kind not to clog my talkpage with the Greater Albanian nationalistic Illyrian authochtonous victimisation mythology based on blatant source misinterpretations. --[[User:Antidiskriminator|Antidiskriminator]] ([[User talk:Antidiskriminator|talk]]) 14:05, 21 May 2015 (UTC) {{ping|Resnjari}} I would kindly ask you to refrain from your irrelevance in the article. The section is about Ottoman Albanians in the Sanjak of Niš, a community which has its origin in the 18th century. It is not suitable for a proto-Albanian/proto-Romanian theory.--[[User_talk:Zoupan|Z<small>oupan</small>]] 17:17, 21 May 2015 (UTC) :No. Ottoman Albanians (and [[Persecution of Ottoman Muslims]]) and a theory about proto-Albanian/proto-Romanian contact zone are two different things. Your synthesis is clear also from the fact that you inserted a source which has nothing to do with the events or even Ottoman history. [[Origin of Albanians]] is a suitable article for views about ethnogenesis, and not [[Persecution of Ottoman Muslims]]. I think Antidiskriminator's explanations of your behaviour are enough to see what your intentions are. None of your copy-pasted policy outtakes actually relates to this issue. Your edit is biased.--[[User_talk:Zoupan|Z<small>oupan</small>]] 18:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC) ::It is an origin theory of Proto-Albanians. Please understand that I am not against any theories with scholarly backing in [[Origin of the Albanians|the suitable article]], but the inclusion of it in the article about Persecution of Muslims. From what I understand, those Albanians hail (and claim heritage) from northern Albanian tribes (''fisët''), who were originally Catholic, and not Orthodox (which they would have been if they indeed inhabited the Morava valley continuously).--[[User_talk:Zoupan|Z<small>oupan</small>]] 17:35, 22 May 2015 (UTC) ==Talkpage hint== I believe the creation of subsections in case a discussion becomes too huge can be helpful for the co-editors, especially when it includes several proposals more than 60k in total.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 11:50, 25 June 2015 (UTC) ==Give me your idea about these== Can you please give me an idea about these? https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Arvanites&action=history this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arvanites#Total_number_of_Arvanites. and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Cham_Albanians&action=history Thank you [[User:Rolandi+|Rolandi+]] ([[User talk:Rolandi+|talk]]) 10:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC) Thank you. ==Ch. Albanians== Hi Resnjari, Sincerely thank you for your help.However Omari referes to current official Albanian speakers to Thesprotia,not to ethnic Albanians in Thesprotia. [[User:Rolandi+|Rolandi+]] ([[User talk:Rolandi+|talk]]) 07:20, 10 July 2015 (UTC) == Thank you for the help + sources for population figures == Dear Resnjari, thank you very much for your help in the page about [[Albanians]] and for the sources. Your help is highly appreciated. Let me know if there is anything I can help with. Have a good day :) --[[User:SilentResident|SilentResident]] ([[User talk:SilentResident|talk]]) 08:40, 17 July 2015 (UTC) == Northern Epirus edits == [[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not insert [[WP:fringe|fringe]] or [[WP:undue|undue weight]] content into articles, as you did to [[:Northern Epirus]]. An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Please use the article's [[WP:talk page|talk page]] to discuss the material and its appropriate weight within the article. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-fringe2 -->[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 20:42, 23 July 2015 (UTC) :Alexikoua, that is subject to your interpretation. Stop resorting always to accusations or being selective with Wikipedia policy. My material in whole is peer reviewed and the proposed edits have been languishing in the talk page for many, many weeks after i asked repeatedly for input in good faith. I waited and now I went by the policy: [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle]]. Everything i do is by the policy and in good faith and finally a real discussion has begun on the talk page. However stick to the content and don't resort to personal attacks.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 00:02, 24 July 2015 (UTC) ::undue weight is something different than wp:rs: Even the addition of the best reliable & peer reviewed material can be considered wp:undue if the article doesn't exactly deal with the subject. For example a detailed history of Albanian pejorative terminology in an article named Northern Epirus "is" undue. Moreover if you deal exclusively with the Muslim related pejorative terminology there is both undue and pov. In general not everything that's wp:rs can be added everywhere.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 06:15, 24 July 2015 (UTC) Alexikoua, in the article it states that Albanian Muslims due to the Millet system where known as "Turks". In the nineteenth century the word ''Turk'' as a whole, not just for Albanian Muslims in Southern Albania or ''Northern Epirus'' but those as a Balkan whole, the word Turk acquired a additional meaning to the millet one, a pejorative meaning from the mid and definitely from the late nineteenth century onward. It is not undue especially since Nitsiakos notes its current day usage amongst Greeks, Vlachs and especially Orthodox Albanians regarding its use toward Muslim Albanians in the area. Nitsiakos also notes the use of the word ''Kaur'' in current times by Muslim Albanians toward any Christian in Southern Albania. Because in a "Northern Epirus" context he does not state it is used pejoratively, now i am specifically going to not write in the article that because it is not stated. I know very well its pejorative and as such i am going to use other peer reviewed material which covers the word in a more generalised context to cite that fact. The reader must be made aware of that. Wikipedia does not promote racism. The peer reviewed material states when in reference to the word Turk acquiring pejorative meanings for Muslims Albanians in the nineteenth century, refers to all Muslim Albanians living the Ottoman Empire of which Southern Albania (or ''Northern Eprius'') was a part. Maybe the sentence needs to be rewritten, however the additional meaning must be given as Wikipedia does not promote racism. It is nothing about undue weight or POV. On this point don't be difficult. I have more than enough peer reviewed sources that a third party deliberation can have a look at and will argue my case very strongly if i make a complaint. I rather not do that. Please take into consideration these matters. An additional sentance of some kind must be added alongside the word "Turk" regarding Albanian Muslims. Otherwise its POV pushing already.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 22:37, 24 July 2015 (UTC) == Source falsification == Please explain why here [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Northern_Epirus&type=revision&diff=672781048&oldid=672780696] you omitted several crucial aspects from the source, namely that both Greek and Orthodox Albanians fled, and that they espoused a Greek national consciousness before leaving. There had better be an ''excellent'' justification for this, otherwise this is source falsification, which is becoming ''very'' tiresome and needs to stop immediately. [[User:Athenean|Athenean]] ([[User talk:Athenean|talk]]) 20:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC) :Athenean, do you see me saying no to adding the Greek aspect to it. No. Did i not say in the talk page to assist in the edits. All you said was not to anything. My peer reviewed edits were languishing. You want to add Greeks and alos fleeing the regime to the bit about Orthodox Albanians fleeing and going to Greece by all means. But the bit about Orthodox Albanians and them espousing a Greek national consciousness is important as it shows what their views regarding themselves and identity was at that point in time from the region. The justification is more than there. This goes against the usual Albanian Rilindja falsehood that Orthodox Albanians had an Albanian consciousness. I have said this many times, i don't do nationalism.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 00:02, 24 July 2015 (UTC) {{DRN-notice}} [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 01:57, 2 August 2015 (UTC) ==Koleka== I appreciate your initiative to handle the situation with Burrit. However, the way you focused on this might had triggerred a more hardcore approach by him. Suggesting a general wp:HISTRS approach would be fine. However, material such as declarations of specific parties etc can be hardly considered neutral. I'm not against a version which sugests X claims A and Y claims B, but the alternative claim needs to be supported too by serious reference.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 13:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC) I accept most of your reasoning and i have also said the same thing, if one read my comments in full. However i have not made him pursue a hardcore approach. That is his initiative. I have said repeatedly in my comments that peer reviewed sources (Albanian) that are post 1992 should be used to refute Pettifer beyond doubt. I said to the Albanian editors that they must seek them out and present them and only then can the matter be dealt with within Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Anyway material about the communist era is only now starting ( to be written in Albania due to its societal trauma) and this issue about Koleka may take a few years from now to be revisited here on Wikipedia with appropriate sources. What is important though at this point in time is that there is serious doubt based not on some 'national agenda' basis, but on factual grounds regarding Pettifer. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia whose content must be based on good and solid scholarship. Otherwise anything would go up (as i latter checked after we did the edits on the Cham Albanians page for where the Nazi claim regarding the Chams came from -it was from a Carl Savich article on Serbianna.com ! Dodgy things like cannot stand) I can do no further for Burridheut apart from what i have said. He can either do as Rolandi did and take my advice and desist in that behavior or continue with all that that entails (consequences etc). In the end i am just one editor amongst many and everyone is responsible for their own behavior.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 04:22, 12 August 2015 (UTC) ==Map== I was cheking this map [[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ottoman_Albania&curid=291411&diff=683799407&oldid=683786047]], but unfortunately can't find something that supports its use that time. I do not doubt that this kind of symbols were well known among Albanians, but the specific map still lacks a decent citation.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 19:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC) ok. The citation is within the [[Flag of Albania]] article from which these various Albanian flags used on wikipedia are based. The website used is one that deals with historical flags and current day ones and has been extensively used throughout wikipedia. I'll remove the League of Prizren bit as there is no citation for its use back then. Nonetheless, the Catholics up north were using banners to that one and Isa Boletin as well in the 1900s during their uprisings against Ottoman rule. I have also added in more more Elsie's book regarding use of the Albanian flag regarding its use in Albanian uprisings during this era on the Albania flag page. [[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 05:24, 4 October 2015 (UTC) ==Merger discussion for [[Kosovo Albanians]] == [[File:Merge-arrows.svg|50px|frameless|left]] An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;[[Kosovo Albanians]] &mdash;has been '''proposed for [[Wikipedia:Merging|merging]]''' with another article. If you are interested, please participate in [[Talk:Kosovo Albanians#Merger proposal|the merger discussion]]. Thank you. [[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 19:44, 7 October 2015 (UTC) ==Battle of Novšiće== Keep an eye on the [[Battle of Novšiće]] article. There is this guy Denis who considers himself a Bosnian and trying to twirl the article as a mini Bosnian-Montenegrin clash out of the League of Prizren context, remove any implication of the League of Prizren an possibly the word "Albanian" out of it, and even phrasing things as "Bosnian leader Ali Pasha of Gusinje". Incredible, like there are not enough problems in the neighborhood, now we have to deal with the Bosnian nationalism. I reverted the article to one of your previous edits before he started messing it up.[[User:Mondiad|Mondiad]] ([[User talk:Mondiad|talk]]) 15:59, 11 October 2015 (UTC) ==FYI== Hi Resnjari. <br>Just wanted to let you know that the [[User:DenisGusinje]] has been reported to the Arbitration Board for his latest disruptive editing in the articles [[Battle of Novšiće]], [[Ali Pasha of Gusinje]], and [[Rexho Mulliqi]]. The link is: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#DenisGusinje_reported]. Thanks and regards.[[User:Mondiad|Mondiad]] ([[User talk:Mondiad|talk]]) 21:11, 17 October 2015 (UTC) == Kosova me unesco == o shqipe a keni me ndru emrat ne unesco per kosoven??? [[User:Internationel00|Internationel00]] ([[User talk:Internationel00|talk]]) 17:13, 21 October 2015 (UTC) I'll get to that. The decision for Kosovo being admitted into UNESCO is fresh, it will be updatied over the following days anyway. News outlets are reporting on it as we speak so it has to enter the public forum. Probably best non-Albanian editors does the change to that. Give it a week. If its not changed then there will be the UNESCO source itself for it to do a change.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 18:36, 21 October 2015 (UTC) :I followed up on that. They got through the first round. In Novemeber, they will have a final vote. Actually its best it gets changed when that occurs so there can be no doubt and no edit warring headaches. At the moment refrain from doing any changes. Its only a few weeks anyway.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 18:42, 21 October 2015 (UTC) ==Tripolitsa edits== [[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px|alt=Warning icon]] Please stop your [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive editing]]. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:No original research|no original research policy]] by adding your personal analysis or [[Wikipedia:No original research#Synthesis of published material that advances a position|synthesis]] into articles, as you did at [[:Siege of Tripolitsa]], you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]. <!-- Template:uw-nor3 -->[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 17:48, 21 October 2015 (UTC) Again its your opinion based on what you have interpreted to be original reaserch. There are articles which i will invoke that i have come across edited by you that constitute that. So if you want to follow this up Alexikoua with the following forums go ahead. I prefer outside oversight and am an advocate for it. You will need to produce evidence for that, extensive evidence. Looking forward to it.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 17:52, 21 October 2015 (UTC) ::The initiative of Kolokotronis had a good reason, since it was part of a wider Greek-Albanian alliance. That time Ali-Pasha was fighting in Epirus the same enemy and in fact this alliance lasted for a couple of months. It might be a good start for a new article.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 21:01, 21 October 2015 (UTC) :That's not a bad idea. At the moment though, one question ? Do you have a title page in mind ? I ask because its best that gets conceived and resolved at the outset otherwise people might do the title this of title that thing and create unnecessary and time wasting blabber. Yeah i have thought about something like that. Some stuff on the Albanian Muslim Lala population would be part of it due to their on and of again relationship with Kolokotronis. == October 2015 == [[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle|BRD]] for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. '''Being involved in an edit war can result in your being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''&mdash;especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;'''even if you don't violate the three-revert rule'''&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> You are edit-warring across multiple articles. Please stop. I suggest you take a step back otherwise I will seek arbitration enforcement. [[User:Athenean|Athenean]] ([[User talk:Athenean|talk]]) 19:08, 21 October 2015 (UTC) :Please do seek arbitration, as i have outlined to you and to others the concerns involved. Your reply used to undo the tags i placed about the "the skies being blue" so we don't need a source does not suffice regarding the Chameria article. If you feel that this needs to go to arrbitration, i say you should proceed with it. Like i said i am very much in favour of outside intervention and will make my case accordingly. And also for the Tripoltisa article too. Skies are blue comment by the way is [[Wikipedia:No original research]]. [[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 19:12, 21 October 2015 (UTC) ::Seems you have never heard of [[WP:BLUESKY]]. One more rv at either article and you will have breached 3rr. You seem very agitated by the recent arbitration enforcement request against Burridheut. I suggest you take a step back and calm down, edit-warring will get you nowhere. [[User:Athenean|Athenean]] ([[User talk:Athenean|talk]]) 19:57, 21 October 2015 (UTC) :Athenean i have outlined my concerns. If you remove those tags, then we will need third party adjudication. I have outlined my reason accordingly. You have not. You have also engaged in multiple reverts without giving proper explanation and also not taking into consideration my concerns or addressing them in good faith. As the blue sky policy states: '''Article content should be backed up by reliable sources wherever needed to show that the presentation of material on Wikipedia is consistent with the views that are presented in scholarly discourse or the world at large.''' Unless you do that then my tags stand. Please provide evidence. If this goes to arbitration i will make my case accordingly. I did not mention Burridheut by the way. Also i have said to you multiple times to refrain from making commentary about my person. You have done so in the past about my cognitive faculties and now your "agitated" comment is once again following that trajectory. Do not assume what how people feel and that is offensive. Stick to the issues. So like i said what does Burridheut's case have to do with what we are discussing ? I discussed Burridheut's situation at the arbitration committee. Don't conflate situations like your failed attempt at sanctioning me at Burridheut.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 20:13, 21 October 2015 (UTC) :Athenean I advise you to stop harassing editors here in wikipedia like you are doing with Resnjari. Also avoid mentioning my name in vain, it does not really elevate your status. Your battleground attitude and your multiple reverts across multiple articles can result in you being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]], so please be more considerate towards others and aim at [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] with other editors. [[User:Burridheut|Burridheut]] ([[User talk:Burridheut|talk]]) 20:27, 21 October 2015 (UTC) :Ah Burridheut, don't worry about it. Thanks though for the thought. As for him citing your name in a discussion that had nothing to do with you, it was unqualified and uncalled for. He should refrain from that considering his ''experience''.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 20:30, 21 October 2015 (UTC) ::As far as I know, [[Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain|the prohibition from saying someone's name in vain]] only applies to [[God|The Lord]]. C'mon, lighten up a little :) [[User:Athenean|Athenean]] ([[User talk:Athenean|talk]]) 21:18, 21 October 2015 (UTC) :Unlike some editors i am not into personal attacks. I prefer good faith and to let my peer reviewed sources and accompanying edits do the talking. I like to do things by the book. :)[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 21:25, 21 October 2015 (UTC) == Personal attacks == I know you like to think yourself as very high-minded and above personal attacks (and how you constantly ''brag'' about that, always reminding ''everyone'' all the time that you are supposedly above personal attacks), but in fact it seems many of your recent comments are in fact loaded with personal attacks, particularly against me. For example this here [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spiro_Koleka&curid=35749531&diff=686998396&oldid=686995720] is very much a personal attack directed against me. Just because you don't have the guts to mention my name (or maybe you think you are being clever that way), doesn't make it any less of a personal attack. So instead of always lecturing and patronizing others about their behavior, maybe it's time you did some self-reflection and worked on your own behavior first. Unless of course you are one of those people who is always right and perfect and everything is always someone else's fault. [[User:Athenean|Athenean]] ([[User talk:Athenean|talk]]) 23:12, 22 October 2015 (UTC) You attempted a sanction against me at someone else arbitration hearing based on "nationalist Albanian POV" without evidence. I am not being "patronising". You have repeatedly done that to me many times instead of discussing the sources. I cited many issues with certain articles and all you do is say no for that sake of no. I don't understand this. If you think a source is problematic or that the way i went about it is an issue point it out according to policy and no 5 second soundbites. There have been disputes with me and Alexikoua, sometimes he has made me rethink something sometimes its the other way around. It gets a little testy at times but we have come out of of those discussions better informed and those articles are of better quality without having POV accusations floating all over the place. I ask what has your contribution been apart from no and so on? And if you say that i have not gone about it in good faith, i ask you to find any other editors who have put up proposals to a article (like i have in Northern Epirus) and seeking advice and counsel instead of going in head long and making the edits as per the policy on being bold and stuff. Be constructive that's all i have asked of you. If you have sources bring them to the table. I am not against that. Don't worry about my cognitive faculties, about my personal bodily state or whatever. If you continue with certain comments, then yes i will point them out because that is not on. I am a forgiving person and i turn the other cheek and i rather you be constructive. That's what wikipedia is about. And also about that nationalist Albanian POV stuff, in case you have not noticed, i use mainly Greek scholarship when i do my edits, i barely use Albanian ones. Unless you can prove that those Greek scholars are somehow "Albanian nationalists", please leave your personal views out of the editing process. Thank you.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 01:48, 23 October 2015 (UTC) ==Enjoy after the great work...== I know you like Bakllava. {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG|135px]] |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For the tremendous work in terms of quality, quantity, and importance - thanks ! [[User:Mondiad|Mondiad]] ([[User talk:Mondiad|talk]]) 03:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC) |} {{ping|Mondiad}} Thank you ! It goes down well with some boza alongside. :-) ==Arvanites== Regarding the ethnic connection box, we shouldn't change it to Tosk Albanians since it is not about the linguistic connection, but about the ethnic one. The back then settlers can't be known if they were all tosk, gheg, or mixed. Ethnically, Albanians are just Albanians. <br>Also, the user that closed the discussion (Josve05a), said literally "and I very strongly recommend not feeding the trolls and not continuing to humour "Othon" by responding further to him in any way. Just ignore the noise." -- so don't feed him with more talking. His hatred for Albanians disqualifies him as a normal editor which one should normally have the pleasure to do a constructive talking. <br>--[[User:Mondiad|Mondiad]] ([[User talk:Mondiad|talk]]) 00:38, 8 December 2015 (UTC) :{{ping|Mondiad}}. Regarding the ethnic connection box that wont get changed. Tosk is a sub-group. Moreover a Geg overlay has been identified amongst the Arvanites (Hammond). There is this idea in Greece that Tosks, Labs and Chams (collectively ''Tosks'') are Albanianized "Greeks" and Gegs are the "real" Albanians. It came from a particular point in time and has its lingering adherents though not based on scholarship. Its also a strong view that Arvanites especially espouse today because they want to affirm their position in Greece as the "purest" Greeks (its why Pelasgian stuff exists also) and the Albanian factor makes them uncomfortable. Bintliff identifies this as part of the state building ideology. I explained all of this to Othon. I cannot say that it is hatred he has for Albanians. I am in no position to make that determination. He may be of Arvanite origin or heritage and has a interest in the article. Western non-Albanian scholars (often Greek themselves) have outlined that in Greece, its populace, due to the state and a sizable proportion of its people have certain pejorative views of Albanians. We have encountered this with other non-Albanian editors on Wikipedia (as my talkpage shows and so on). As such however i cannot disregard that a sizable amount -at this point in time- of edits Othon wants to make are in good faith. He is new. My advice to Othon regarding other edits he wants to do in future about expanding the bit on the Greek war of independence and so on was it can be made provided he has good sourced material based on reliable scholarship. Absent that then its a no. It will be up to him to abide by the rules. I have a good grasp of scholarship on the Arvanites, so i know what is a red flag source if used. I have even told off Albanian editors in past times when they have used dodgy material. As long as he uses good material toward making the article better than i wont say no for the sake of saying no as other non-Albanian editors often do(as you i am sure you have had that experience) even when peer reviewed scholarship is presented.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 06:04, 8 December 2015 (UTC) ==Panagiotis Kone== Hello, Love to hear what you think with regards to Kone's ethnicity. I feel like I'm being tag teamed by Zoupan and Alexikoua and it would help if a user would back me up here (only if you find my arguments convincing of course). Please see the [[Talk:Panagiotis_Kone|talk page]] to familiarize yourself with the current discussion. I've also made a post on the [[Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard]]. Mind you, this is a separate issue from the mistranslation (see talk page for more information). Finally, don't forget to read this as well (translation of quote): [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cplakidas#Translation_of_quote]][[Special:Contributions/37.46.188.80|37.46.188.80]] ([[User talk:37.46.188.80|talk]]) 18:14, 21 December 2015 (UTC) :Gotta say, they weren't very helpful (new account) :)[[User:DevilWearsBrioni|DevilWearsBrioni]] ([[User talk:DevilWearsBrioni|talk]]) 23:04, 22 December 2015 (UTC) With regards to your "summary of dispute" (I was not sure if I could answer your post directly, so I decided to post here instead): while I do agree with you, I believe it is a separate issue. If you read my dispute overview, you'll notice that the only arguments I make are essentially that the source in question doesn't support that Kone was born "into an ethnic Greek family". One could also argue that he's of Albanian ancestry based on his press release, but I prefer to take one step at a time. The more complicated and bloated the arguments get, the less likely I believe that someone neutral would help us solve the dispute.[[User:DevilWearsBrioni|DevilWearsBrioni]] ([[User talk:DevilWearsBrioni|talk]]) 18:08, 28 December 2015 (UTC) :::{{ping|DevilWearsBrioni}} I understand where your coming from. However what the argument put forth by other editors is that certain words when ''translated'' have different meanings etc. They will constantly contest this and the bit that you cite. It is why it will be difficult to move on the issue. We need extra translations. I placed the bit in the noticeboard about getting translations from other impartial editors because maybe the admins can go about it and request it instead of it coming from us. I know those two other editors (one in particular) so far involved who is offering a ''different'' view to yours. We need to make sure that what other editors state is in line from impartial translations. This is the crux of the matter. Otherwise you will not get far with this. Kone comments are published in non-English publications after all.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 18:36, 28 December 2015 (UTC) ::::There's no disagreement with regards to the translation, "I still have relatives in Albania, they are all Greeks". We all agree on this. This quote, and no other, is the basis for asserting that Kone was born "into an ethnic Greek family". The press release in which he declares Albanian ancestry/originating from Albania is not relevant here.[[User:DevilWearsBrioni|DevilWearsBrioni]] ([[User talk:DevilWearsBrioni|talk]]) 18:42, 28 December 2015 (UTC) :::::If all comments are attributed to Kone without a doubt then they go into the article. Orthodox Albanians in Albania, well amongst some of their number that migrated to Greece have fluid identities. This has been borne out in scholarship. In a way they are the new Arvanites, Orthodox Albanian speaking populations between identities and ways of being. These issues are really complicated here. I prefer that the other stuff about Kone saying he is Albanian cited in other media needs to have good impartial translations. This is to make sure that no impropriety occurs. I am just saying as i have dealt with at least one of those editors in times past and understand how they go about things.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 19:11, 28 December 2015 (UTC) ::::::Let me just ask you a simple question instead. Do you not believe it's original research to assert that Kone was born into "an ethnic Greek family" based on the following quote: "Some of my relatives still live in Albania, they are all Greek"?[[User:DevilWearsBrioni|DevilWearsBrioni]] ([[User talk:DevilWearsBrioni|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2015 (UTC) :::::::{{ping|DevilWearsBrioni}}Ok, i reflected on it, you made a valid point and added a additional comment. We are also going to need some impartial translations of the other stuff if we go the whole way on the matter.Best.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 07:34, 29 December 2015 (UTC) == A barnstar for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Brilliant Idea Barnstar Hires.png|100px]] |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Brilliant Idea Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For your brilliant ideas and awesome mind in making this place a great one! [[User:MorenaReka|MorenaReka]] ([[User talk:MorenaReka|talk]]) 17:15, 24 December 2015 (UTC) |} == Alexander the Great == I am starting a discussion at Alexander the Great's talk page about his Illyrian heritage and I want you to be present. It's clear that Greek editors can't accept it. If you know other editors who would be suitable on this discussion please inform them. Your thoughts on the discussion are completely accepted. [[User:Usuiko|Usuiko]] ([[User talk:Usuiko|talk]]) 07:52, 28 December 2015 (UTC) ::Regarding Alexander's ''Illyrian'' heritage, you are going to run into serious, serious, serious, very serious, roadblocks (and that is putting it politely) not only from editors (and it won't be due to them being difficult for the sake of it), but peer reviewed scholarship that they will use to back them up. My advice to you is to focus on articles on the Albanian Wikipedia project that need real attention. Or if English Wikipedia isn't your thing there is more than enough to do on Albanian Wikipedia. If you want give me an email through my Albanian userpage and i can send you peer reviewed journal articles etc on a topic of substance. Also make sure even for articles or any article that edits made are importantly based on [[wp:reliable]] and [[wp:secondary]] and not on [[wp:original]]. Read the policies so you don't get into complicated situations that may leave a bitter Wikipedia experience instead of a positive one. Best[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 12:36, 28 December 2015 (UTC) :::Scholarship disagrees about whether the Molossians were Greek or Illyrian. Olympias, Alexander's mother, was a Molossian. As long as the issue of the Molossians is unresolved so is that of Olympias'. --[[User:MorenaReka|MorenaReka]] ([[User talk:MorenaReka|talk]]) 23:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC) ::::I know there are differing views on the matter though the editor who has now engaged in this process of seeking change has not brought any [[wp:reliable]] sources. Its going to be problematic and wont get far. Albanian editors need to focus on more recent topics like [[Northern Epirus]] which is extreme POV and lacking much [[wp:reliable]] and has much unsourced content and is [[wp:original]], than small trifles like Alexander the Great.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 07:34, 29 December 2015 (UTC) ==Co-nationals vs non-co-nationals== May I ask why your initiative about Northern Epirus is limited to your co-nationals? For example this [[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albania&diff=prev&oldid=697484466]] propagating about the issues of the article is again limited to wp:Albania. I can only assume why you don't post the same text in the rest of the related wikiprojects. let's say wikiproject:Greece.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 22:16, 30 December 2015 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Alexikoua}} first off, don't use language such as "Co-nationals vs non-co-nationals" thankyou (see:[[wp:civil]]. I posted the matter on that forum. That is there appropriate place for it to be for such matters. It does not contravene policy. On that forum other editors (of Albanian and non-Albanian heritage) can discuss the matter who have a interest in the article. I also placed the matter on the Greek-Albanian Wikipedia board thing also which is co-operated with wikiproject Greece>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Albanian_and_Greek_wikipedians_cooperation_board/Current_tasks_and_projects] I am not part of Wikiproject Greece. For those involved there, its up to them (place forum links here of all ears that need to be placed at and i more than willing to do it). The article in question must abide by [[wp:reliable]] and [[wp:secondary]] and currently it does not and there are many issues outstanding. You stopped the editing process halfway some while back and gave no reason for it. This issue however has been left outstanding.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 22:29, 30 December 2015 (UTC) ::::You should avoid this kind of disruption of mobilizing armies of your nationals which clearly falls into wp:disruption. A neutral editor would have posted the same text in all related projects. For future reference a wikipedian can post to any related projects.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 22:45, 30 December 2015 (UTC) :::::Please do not resort to accusations. In case if you noticed there was some time between when i placed the bit in the Albania wikiproject and the Albanian-Greek board (which i did first). And it was within around an hour as i looked for the talkpage on the Albania project). Your claim "A neutral editor would have posted the same text in all related projects" as "Disruption" is if i go around canvassing or other such behavior. Wikipedia has deliberately developed those forums/talkpages on those projects for such purposes where articles and their issues can be discussed by people concerned in the project itself. I have not contravened the "disruption policy. I know it well, its why i am going through the appropriate channels. Note i have outlined the issues on the matter and stated outright that it is in need of attention. Claiming that it is "disruption" in this instance is your opinion. The forum wiki project talkpage is the appropriate place to place such concerns. I will not be censored by you or anyone else. Now either you are going to give me the links to the similar talkpages or i am going to seek them out over the next few days and place the attention message there. Either way the article is is need of work.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 22:56, 30 December 2015 (UTC) == Uprising of Lumë == Hi, <br>[[User:Albanian Historian]] has created the article about the [[Uprising of Lumë]] or '''Battle of Lumë''' of 1912. I started just copyediting it, but I got more an more involved since it came out a very interesting article. But it was translated from Alb Wikipedia correspondent article and other sources, so it faces the usual problems. This event is constantly neglected from the Alb historiography for some reason. Can you check for more sources? I will probably ask Zoupan to have a look later and bring sources from the other side, if he doesn't get it already by then. If you're busy, no worries. :) <br>--[[User:Mondiad|Mondiad]] ([[User talk:Mondiad|talk]]) 04:56, 10 January 2016 (UTC) {{ping|Mondiad}}. I did a search for sources and there a few more i need to do (i check for Serbian language ones. Its does not even come up there. I tried words like ''Ljuma'' and> ''bitka'', ''ustanak'' etc and in their Cyrillic form and nothing came up. I placed a good source for you in the article and its whole inline. Do with it as you wish to tag various sentences to that source and its in line. I do have some backlogs that i need to take care of. i will get to the article as soon as i can. Best.19:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC) == Discussion on the expulsion of the Albanians == Yes, you wanted to talk to me? --[[User:Albanian Historian|Albanian Historian]] ([[User talk:Albanian Historian|talk]]) 18:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC) ::{{ping|Albanian Historian}}. Don't take this the wrong way brother, but some things i need to say or going going to run into multiple headaches and issues. If its repeated, you may be referred by other editors to arbitration like forums for a sanction. I prefer you do not end up in these situations, so bear with me with the comments i make. I make them so your important and much appreciated input continues, though meeting the requirements of Wikipedia policy. I wanted to say to you that your edits in certain articles are a bit problematic. You have used Albanian sites in the past that do not meet [[wp:reliable]] and [[wp:secondary]]. I know that some of these websites do publish academic articles which they have copied and pasted from Albanian academic sources (most often without the publication's or scholar's permission or knowledge). If you are going to use one of these articles, do a google web search (and or through google scholar and google books) to find out and or locate where originally they were published and cite that article or scholarly work by using its original academic citation (so and so journal or so and so book chapter in a edited book by so and so scholar etc). Otherwise your content will be removed, articles deleted at times and allegations from the usual editors (they are a small group, but you know who they are) of "Albanian POV". You also in that instance create a lot of work for other editors to come and clean up and these increases the work load for the very few Albanian editors that are active on English Wikipedia. Anyway, I will cite examples of edits by you in the article about Balkan wars massacres of Albanians [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars&diff=702902164&oldid=702729879]. You cite Leo Freundlich. He is a good source as he chronicled massacres and so on. However his works in the end constitute [[wp:primary]] and more than likely will be removed. Wikipedia accepts overall [[wp:secondary]] material as scholars have done an analysis and synthesis of the primary documentation and have judged the material to be [[wp:reliable]] for use in their works. It is these works who cite the primary sources like Freundlich that you use in a article. I will cite for you a example to see. For example i used Mark Levene (2013). ''Devastation: Volume I: The European Rimlands 1912-1938''. Oxford University Press [https://books.google.com.au/books?id=RRgbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA107&dq=Luma+uprising&hl=en&sa=X#v=onepage&q&f=false] for the [[Battle of Lumë]] which make the edits and accompanying edits stick about such issues like massacres. Also do a google search and in scholar ans books to come across such sources to expand and make the article watertight. I would say also to avoid(when the moment and context calls for it) using Albanian sources if an issue/article is controversial and try to find non-Albanian scholarly sources that say roughly the same thing as the non scholarly source. This will assist your position about and deflect the usual accusations of bias directed toward Albanian editors in general. I hope this was of some assistance and keep the good work up ![[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 03:31, 4 February 2016 (UTC) == Roudometof == Hey, can you quickly verify that the "no evidence of state persecution" part in Roudometof's book actually exists? Because for some reason it doesn't show up in Google books. And also, what's the context? [[User:DevilWearsBrioni|DevilWearsBrioni]] ([[User talk:DevilWearsBrioni|talk]]) 11:58, 3 February 2016 (UTC) :::I'll look into it and i have the source. Anyway an important thing to note is that Roudementof's claim (in 2002, based not on the Greek state archive i might add) though is obsolete due to Baltsiotis in depth research of the Greek archive in his 2011 study.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 03:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for May 1== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Muhaxhir (Albanians)]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Macedonia]] ([http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Muhaxhir_%28Albanians%29 check to confirm]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Muhaxhir_%28Albanians%29 fix with Dab solver]). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these [[User:DPL bot|opt-out instructions]]. Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 11:18, 1 May 2016 (UTC) ==Disruption== I've noticed your comments intervene with that of the reviewer. Prenteding to be a reviewer yourself and promoting your extreme pov is at least disruptive and clear violation of wp:AGF. However, you can add your comments in a seperate section.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 09:35, 3 May 2016 (UTC) :::::[[ping|Alexikoua]].All i have to say to you is this, see [[wp:civil]]. Wikipedia has no rules that certain people can or can not participate as long as they stick to the rules and guidelines on interactions and rapport. You for one deleting my comments are not engaging with the process, but have made an attempt to censor me. I am a reviewer, just on Albanian wikipedia. Now i like do so on English Wikipedia and there are no restriction to who can participate as long as it is done in good faith. Do not delete my comments. If you have a issue take me (or whoever else) to the administrators and appropriate forums if rules where not followed.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 09:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification for July 3== Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited [[Naim Frashëri]], you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page [[Ottoman Turkish]] ([http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Naim_Frash%C3%ABri check to confirm]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Naim_Frash%C3%ABri fix with Dab solver]). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. <small>Read the [[User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ|FAQ]]{{*}} Join us at the [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|DPL WikiProject]].</small> It's OK to remove this message. 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The attribution has been provided for this situation, but if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for that duplication. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at [[Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia]]. Thank you. <!-- Template:uw-copying--> If you are the sole author of the prose that was moved, attribution is not required. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 21:52, 4 July 2016 (UTC) ::::Hi [[ping|Diannaa]]. I am not particularly sure as to what you are referring too. I am writing up the Islam in Albania article based on good peer reviewed references. The only piece of information that i moved into the Expulsion of the Chams article was a reference based on Karpat about the word Turk and Muslim becoming synonymous in the late Ottoman era in relation to Albanians. That particular reference was moved from the Turco-Albanians article and important to be in the Expulsion article regarding context. But the sentence that i wrote was different. Moreover that referance in the Turco-Albanians article that i moved on a sentence was written by me also. So can you elaborate exactly were this has occurred that i have not attributed it in the edit summary considering that you say "if you are the sole author of the prose that was moved, attribution is not required". ? Best.[[User:Resnjari|Resnjari]] ([[User talk:Resnjari#top|talk]]) 02:31, 5 July 2016 (UTC) == Cham Expulsion lede == Please ping me once you've drafted the new lede. [[User:DevilWearsBrioni|DevilWearsBrioni]] ([[User talk:DevilWearsBrioni|talk]]) 17:35, 14 July 2016 (UTC) == Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion == Hello, Resnjari. 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