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'{{Template:RFCUsername}} [[Category:Non-talk pages that are automatically signed]] [[Category:Requests for comment|{{PAGENAME}}]] ==Reports== Please remember that this is ''not a vote'', rather, it is a place where editors can come when they are unsure what to do with a username, and to get outside opinions (hence it's named "requests for comment"). '''Bolded recommendations''' are not necessary. 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'' <!--Template:Rfcn top--> {{#if:'''username blocked''' by [[User:Nihonjoe]]. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 17:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)|The result was: '''username blocked''' by [[User:Nihonjoe]]. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 17:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)}} ===The McChicken costs $1=== Pointed the new user, [[User:The McChicken costs $1|The McChicken costs $1]] ([[User talk:The McChicken costs $1#top|talk]]), to the policy about not using promotional names, but they continue using it. --[[User:Modocc|Modocc]] ([[User talk:Modocc|talk]]) 01:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC) *I think it should be allowed. I can't imagine this username will really cause many people to go out and eat at McDonalds. '''[[User:Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]][[User talk:Soap|<font color="057602">''Soap''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]]''' 01:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC) *Leaning toward '''disallow''' - [[WP:U]] says you cannot have your username = a product. Clearly, this username does not = a product, but contains the name of a product as part of a statement of fact which could be viewed as promotional. While this users main namespace edits don't appear problematic, the user's own [[User:The McChicken costs $1|userpage]] could easily be viewed as promotional - even if s/he is just a fan of the product. [[User talk:7|<span style="background:#acf;padding:4px;color:white;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em">&nbsp;'''7'''&nbsp;</span>]] 01:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC) *:It's just fine - it's a clever play on consumerism and American pop culture, one of the coolest names I've seen in a long time, and is not at all promoting a product or service. It's comparable, say, to "My Camaro does 125" or "Dunkin Donut Lover". I don't think this is what the username policy was trying to prevent. - [[User:Wikidemon|Wikidemon]] ([[User talk:Wikidemon|talk]]) 02:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC) *::Please clarify then what this policy is "trying to prevent"? Consumerism at this level or any level on wikipedia? Does a user only need to add an adjective or two to any product or company name (and they include the appropriate disclaimers, e.g. I'm only joking, I'm not with the company, its only a dollar folks.. etc)? If the community allows this then we should consider tossing the policy on no promotional usernames to the historical bin. Also, simply repeating or parroting commercials is commercialism and not "a clever play" on it. --[[User:Modocc|Modocc]] ([[User talk:Modocc|talk]]) 03:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC) *This isn't a problem. The policy disallows usernames used for promotion; this is not so. ''÷[[user:seresin|seresin]]'' 05:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC) :How so?--[[User:Modocc|Modocc]] ([[User talk:Modocc|talk]]) 05:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC) *'''Allow'''. The rule says, "'''Promotional usernames''' are used to promote a group, company, product or website on Wikipedia." I do not see the name as promotional. This is a guy apparently unconnected to McDonalds. He is not "promoting" anything. Besides, excuse the pun, but a McDonald representative would not use such a cheesy name. The name is apparently intended as a joke, a satire, if you will. I am certain satire is acceptable. I once had to change my name because it was the name of my blog. But "The McChicken costs $1" is just a guy who was [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling&diff=prev&oldid=360336083 having fun and picked a funny name]. Let's not discourage him or his contributions to Wikipedia with messages that may be scary to newbies. I say he should keep the satirical name. --[[User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|LegitimateAndEvenCompelling]] ([[User talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|talk]]) 04:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC) ::I suppose the user is not promoting the McChicken? He is not promoting the fact it is only one dollar? Lets ignore the reality of the username and insert far-fetched denials such as the McChicken is too commonplace or cheesy to be promoted? Lets be serious folks, a promotion is a promotion, no matter who is involved. It does not have to be company approved. --[[User:Modocc|Modocc]] ([[User talk:Modocc|talk]]) 04:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC) :::I respectfully disagree. He is being silly, not promotional. The rule is designed to stop people from promoting things. He's not promoting anything, he's just being silly. And I do not see in the slightest how his name actually promotes McDonalds in any way. Nobody's going to read his name and run out to McDonalds. Yes, I joked about that, but precisely because it's a joke. --[[User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|LegitimateAndEvenCompelling]] ([[User talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|talk]]) 04:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC) ::::Accept, I don't get the "joke", other than its not proper username? I'm rolling on the floor. Perhaps, then, you can explain the difference between the names "The McChicken costs $1" and "Walmart sells for less"? Should I or anyone else have to put up with such patent nonsense on account of this line of reasoning? --[[User:Modocc|Modocc]] ([[User talk:Modocc|talk]]) 05:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC) :::::The Walmart name results in over 6000 hits. The McDonalds name results in none, other than 3 in Wikipedia. The Walmart phrase is a phrase used in advertising. The McDonalds name is not used in advertising. The Walmart name is promotional. The McDonalds name is not promotional. :::::And we are talking about a name here. There is no reason to mock me. I do not appreciate it. --[[User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|LegitimateAndEvenCompelling]] ([[User talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|talk]]) 06:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC) ::::::Actually, the overrated hamburger joint does a lot of adverts promoting its McChicken along with its dollar menu and any "new" variant version of these would still apply to the policy here. --[[User:Modocc|Modocc]] ([[User talk:Modocc|talk]]) 06:48, 20 May 2010 (UTC) :::::::No, at least not in my opinion. $1--[[User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|LegitimateAndEvenCompelling]] ([[User talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|talk]]) 07:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC) *'''Disallow.''' For someone familiar with American culture it may be apparent that the username is intended to be satirical, but it is really just a promotional statement about a product unless you read more into it. I do not buy the argument that promotion is allowed as long as it is "cheesy". That would set a very bad precedent. <code>[[User:Decltype|decltype]]</code> <small>([[User talk:Decltype|talk]])</small> 06:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC) :It would be in bad taste if it were "cheesy". --[[User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|LegitimateAndEvenCompelling]] ([[User talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|talk]]) 06:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC) *'''Allow''', clearly. I'm baffled that anyone would think that this user is actually trying to promote something. The entire point of "No promotional user names" is that we prevent companies(!) from using Wikipedia for their own interest, not that we should forbid silly user names. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 07:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC) :: Promotions are in themselves often satirical or humorous and the policy does not exclude only self-promotions of companies or even just paid-promotions. But would it matter? No, absolutely not. As written, the policy is clearly about having '''no''' promotions of products, companies, etc. regardless of who just happens to use the promotional name. Quote: "'''Promotional usernames''' are used to promote a group, company, product or website on Wikipedia." It does not say only exact company names or the like are disallowed. The part of the policy about company names is only just an example of possible promotional usernames (and other potential problems with their use as well). '''The McChicken costs $1''', on the other hand is very explicit, such that even if it was only intended by the new user to be simply silly or satirical and not promote the product per se, it nevertheless does promote the '''McChicken''' and its been plastered all over high-profile article talkpages. Its tasteless to say the least. --[[User:Modocc|Modocc]] ([[User talk:Modocc|talk]]) 10:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC) :::Actually, the McChicken is kinda tasty. :) Anyhow, you got it just right: "'''Promotional usernames''' are used to promote a group, company, product or website on Wikipedia." This user name, on the other hand, is not used to promote anything. Unless you are implying that the mere existance of it is promotion. Which would imply that we should block bloody everything. Take me, for example. "Conti" is quite often used in the news when they talk about [[Continental AG]], so much that my user name is synonymous with the company in Germany. My point is that taking the policy to such an absurd level really isn't going to help anyone. We scare away the newbies who think they got a clever name for no benefit whatsoever. Congratulations. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 11:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC) ::::Please..., blocking everything would be extreme, but that is not implied, nor is it true that newbies are going to be scared away by learning the ropes. "Conti" is generic enough to not be a problem, but if you changed your name to "Conti costs less", "Conti saves $" or worse yet "Fly Conti" or more subtly "Conti will get u there" these would be block-able promotional names I would think. Even if its a really cool username though, "I just like it" is not a very good argument that is slippery trap. Letting this burger promotional name slip through because its too cool too block is simply the rave of favoritism, pure and simple. Otherwise, if most promotional compound names are to be given a free pass to merely exist as you put it, that would certainly allow disruptive spamming nonsense on the Wikipedia because there are usually real dollars involved with positioning brand names at stake. The key to advertising is branding, getting the name such Dr Pepper splattered everywhere. For instance, "I like Dr.Pepper", "I love Dr. Pepper" and "I really love Dr. Pepper" are all hip and cool due to branding, and it wouldn't take very long to spam pages with them. I suppose that user [[User:Wikidemon|Wikidemon]] and others that followed the coolness approach would approve these anyway and there would be no point bringing them here if this board is nothing more than a welcoming mat for the branding of commercial trademarks that are culturally favored. "I love Gold Bond" or "CureMaxPads cost $1" splatter everywhere by a "newbie", complete with pics of the product on the user page, would serve the company's interest in such cases. The McChicken username and his user's page are no exception to this, at all. --[[User:Modocc|Modocc]] ([[User talk:Modocc|talk]]) 14:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC) :::::Conti, Wikidemon, LAEC (me), and others, including [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_McChicken_costs_$1&curid=27143610&diff=363202406&oldid=363190117 Marcus Aurelius Antoninus], are all stacking up in favor of keeping the name, and we outnumber those opposed. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThe_McChicken_costs_%241&action=historysubmit&diff=363164154&oldid=363138667 Someone went and blocked the guy] without awaiting the results here, which so far are consensus to keep. That block should be reversed forthwith. --[[User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|LegitimateAndEvenCompelling]] ([[User talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC) :::::I can see your point, I just completely disagree with it. First of all, yes, we are scaring away newbies with this (and it used to be much worse). Sure, he can just ask for his account to be renamed, but not everyone is going to bother with that. You come here with a witty user name, edit for a few days.. and suddenly you get a big box telling you that your name is bad and that you're probably just here to promote McDonald's products, anyhow. That's not leaving a happy thought in your mind, I would imagine. Secondly, no one (I hope) has argued not to block because the name is "cool". The argument was that the name isn't trying to be promotional at all. That the name is a bad one nonetheless is the point we disagree on, I suppose. But where should we draw the line? If "I love Pepsi" is bad, what about "I love HBO"? Or "I love The Sopranos"? If a user is improving the encyclopaedia and clearly ''not'' here to promote anything, let them praise their favourite product on their user page and in their user name, I couldn't care less. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 15:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC) ::::::I agree somewhat with your sediments, but editing here does entail policies and interactions such as box templates that tend to be more complete and respectful than what I might write. You are essentially now arguing against the policy of not promoting products in usernames, which is reasonable, but an argument that may be more appropriate on the policy page. I would say that as far as drawing the line, on one hand, company names, trademarks and brand names shouldn't be promoted by ''slogans and sales pitches'', or disparaged, such as "Toyota's are lemons". On the other hand, I have seen too the borderline cases. "My Mustang is red." and even "My Hot Wheels are HOT" might be allowed as compliant, and this is why I brought the matter here even though from my perspective "The McChicken costs $1" is clearly parroting the corporate chain's sales pitch and therefore should be blocked per policy. --[[User:Modocc|Modocc]] ([[User talk:Modocc|talk]]) 17:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC) *This username has been blocked as a clear violation of [[WP:U]] because it is a promotional username promoting a specific product. It is ''not'' similar to "Dunkin Donut Lover" or "My Camaro Does 125" as those are more fan usernames which have been allowed in the past. This one is clearly promotional, giving the name of the product and the price of the product. There is no ambiguity here. If he wants to change it to "McChicken Lover", that would be fine, but the current username is not acceptable in the least. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]]^{[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]} · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]] · [[WP:JA|<font color="maroon">Join WikiProject Japan</font>]]!</small> 17:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC) :''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <span style="color:Red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the entries talk page). No further edits should be made to this page. <!--Template:RFCNbottom--> </div> <div class="boilerplate metadata vfd xfd-closed" style="background-color: Moccasin; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> :''The following discussion is an archived debate of the username below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/User names]]). No further edits should be made to this section. '' <!--Template:Rfcn top--> {{#if:'''Username acceptable.''' If signature is misleading, this is not the venue. ''÷[[user:seresin|seresin]]'' 05:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)|The result was: '''Username acceptable.''' If signature is misleading, this is not the venue. ''÷[[user:seresin|seresin]]'' 05:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)}} ===Jimbo online=== This is a request for input about {{userlinks|Jimbo online}}. I saw this for the first time today. He's been editing since 2007 and has over 24,000 edits, [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Jimbo+online&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia] almost all to articles. I suggested today that he consider changing his name&mdash;see our brief exchange [[User_talk:Jimbo_online#Your_user_name_again|here]]&mdash;but he doesn't want to. There was a discussion about it back in 2007 (see [[User_talk:Jimbo_online/Archive_1#Your_username|here]]), which seems to have been inconclusive. I feel the impersonation aspect is exacerbated by his signing off as "Jimbo". It definitely confused me when I first saw it, and it's likely to confuse newbies even more. <font color="maroon">[[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]]</font> <small>^{<font color="red">[[User talk:SlimVirgin|talk]]</font> <font color="green">[[Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin|contribs]]</font>}</small> 17:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC) :Has Jimbo Wales himself ever commented about this name? '''[[User:Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]][[User talk:Soap|<font color="057602">''Soap''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]]''' 17:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC) ::I've never tried to impersonate Jimbo Wales in my three years of editing. I am happy with my username and sig, no one has ever contacted me confusing me with the other guy. My userpage is quite obvious I'm not him. Jimbo Wales has never commented on my name, so until then I have no inclination to do anything about it.--<b>[[User:Jimbo online|Jimbo]]</b>^{[[User_talk:Jimbo online|[online]]]} 17:28, 15 May 2010 (UTC) *'''Allow.''' Jimbo (online) is fairly prolific, but judging from his talk archives, the only people who ever got confused by the name are the ones who know Wikipedia well enough to immediately realize he is a different editor from Jimmy Wales upon looking at his user/user talk page. <code>[[User:Decltype|decltype]]</code> <small>([[User talk:Decltype|talk]])</small> 17:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC) *'''Allow''' - Discussed here twice already ([http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_names&oldid=232772531#Jimbo_online_.282nd_nomination.29], [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_names&oldid=142739528#Jimbo_online]). Jimbo Wales does not hold exclusive rights to the name "Jimbo". As long as the name is not being used in a confusing manner, it's fine. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 23:34, 15 May 2010 (UTC) *'''Allow''' - wow, I remember this one from 2 years ago. Jimbo is technically right that nothing has really changed since the last time (his sig looks basically the same even). Jimbo isn't all that rare of a nickname and our fearless leader still doesn't own it. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 19:20, 16 May 2010 (UTC) *'''Allow''' - I see no attempt at intentionally misleading others. [[User talk:7|<span style="background:#acf;padding:4px;color:white;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em">&nbsp;'''7'''&nbsp;</span>]] 22:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC) :''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <span style="color:Red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the entries talk page). 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''÷[[user:seresin|seresin]]'' 05:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)}} ===Aauonline=== {{#if:|<div style="display:none;">}} {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Wikipedia| |{{error:not substituted|Rfcn1}}<div style="display:none;">}} {{user|Aauonline}} :The concern here is that the user's name indicates a corporate or COI link to the [[Academy of Art University]] (http://www.academyart.edu). This is the only article that this user has edited, according to the user's edit history. Although the recent edits by the current user in question appear benign, another editor raised these concerns with this user in 2008 about the pattern of edits and the inference that's inherent in the user's name. The user in this case once again edited the article in question within the past few days, and the edits seemed to focus specifically on information that updates market-related information about the subject of the article. '''<font color="red"><strong>→</strong></font>[[User:Lwalt|<font color="blue">Lwalt</font>]]^{&nbsp;♦&nbsp;[[User talk:Lwalt|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]}''' 11:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC) {{#if:|</div></div>}} *'''Disallow''' - yes, this does look like a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] as a well as a [[WP:GROUPNAME|group account]]... the user needs to [[WP:CHU|change their username]] to something that represents the individual editor (like their name or a pseudonym) and should probably restrict themselves to suggesting changes on [[Talk:Academy of Art University]] for someone else to make instead of making the changes themselves. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 04:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC) *'''Disallow''' as promotional and a group account. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]]^{[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]} · <small><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|投稿]]</font> · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 09:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC) *'''Disallow''' the name as promotional, but allow them to edit, provided that they are made aware of the COI policy, since they've made only constructive, non-controversial edits.--[[User:Unionhawk|Unionhawk]] ^{[[User talk:Unionhawk|Talk]]} ^{[[Special:EmailUser/Unionhawk|E-mail]]} 12:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC) :''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <span style="color:Red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the entries talk page). 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