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Best, [[User:JKoerner (WMF)|JKoerner (WMF)]] ([[User talk:JKoerner (WMF)|talk]]) 22:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC) == [[:Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television]] has an [[WP:RFC|RFC]]== <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television]]''' has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the '''[[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#RfC about elimination-style reality programs|discussion page]]'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. [[User:Eggishorn|<span style="background-color:#FF7400; color:#FFFFFF;">Eggishorn</span>]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 18:01, 10 June 2021 (UTC) :This RFC is worth a look. One possible outcome is the deletion of hundreds or thousands of contestant progress tables project-wide. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:limegreen">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 01:02, 15 June 2021 (UTC) == A Sad Tale of Plagiarism, Original Research and Wikipedia == I recently came across an academic paper with this paragraph in the abstract: {{quote|In science fiction, an alien, android, robot, holo- gram or computer described as ‘sentient’ is usually treated in the same way as a human being. Foremost among these properties is human level intelligence (sapience) but sentient characters also typically dis- play desire, will, consciousness, ethic, personality, insight and humour. Sentience is used in this con- text to describe an essential human property that unites all of these other qualities. The words ‘sapi- ence’, ‘self-awareness’ and ‘consciousness’ are used in similar ways and sometimes – and confusingly – interchangeably in science fiction.}} I wrote this paragraph for article [[sentience]] a long time ago, when I was newbie. This is how it appeared in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sentience&oldid=376391844 2010]: {{Quote|In science fiction, an alien, android, robot, hologram, or computer who is described as sentient is usually treated as a fully human character, with similar rights, qualities, and capabilities as any other character. Foremost among these properties is human level intelligence (see above), but sentient characters also typically display desire, will, consciousness, ethics, personality, insight, and many other human qualities. Sentience is being used in this context to describe an essential human property that brings all these other qualities with it. The words "sapience", "self-awareness", and "consciousness" are used in similar ways in science fiction.}} Here was my first version, from [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sentience&oldid=177558163#Science_fiction 2007]: {{Quote|The issue of sentience also frequently arises in science fiction stories about aliens, robots and computers with artificial intelligence. A character who is described as sentient is assumed to have many human qualities, such as will, desire, consciousness, ethics, personality, intelligence, insight, and so on (although it may be conspicuously lacking one or two). Sentience is being used in this context to describe an essential human property that brings all these other qualities with it.}} So, '''question one: what do we think about people plagiarizing Wikipedia, without attribution?''' Here's the thing, though. This paragraph was straight up [[WP:ORIG]]. (I said I was newbie.) I suppose I should have deleted it myself at some point, as original research, but I thought for sure I would eventually find a source that made this point. I never did. Eventually, after ten years or so, the entire section of the article was deleted, because it lacked sources. I had a bit of chuckle and a sigh -- somebody finally noticed. That brings me to '''question two: what do we think about people plagiarizing ''original research'' from Wikipedia?''' (Now it's getting complicated.) So I got to thinking -- I ''could'' restore the paragraph, because '''now I have a source''' -- I mean the source is me, still, but I've been plagiarized outside of Wikipedia, so now maybe Wikipedia can plagiarize them back? I know, I know -- I'm just asking. Finally, '''question three: what do we think about citing a source that is plagiarized original research from Wikipedia?'''--- [[User:CharlesGillingham|CharlesGillingham]] ([[User talk:CharlesGillingham|talk]]) 08:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC) :Rapid-fire responses: a) That would be worthy of a complaint if you are so inclined. That Wikipedia content is free content does not mean that there aren't some obligations - and attribution is one of the few obligations. b) Sigh. c) I'd be very dubious; if they take content from other websites without saying this, one wonders what other non-dependable source they might have used and how that OR influenced the conclusion of the paper. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]]) 08:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC) *Interesting. It seems to be in the [https://www.um.edu.mt/library/oar/bitstream/123456789/25749/1/sentience%20paper%20SFRA.pdf text] as well as the abstract. Both authors of the 2016 paper seem to be active academics. Might be interesting to alert the editorial board of ''[[SFRA Review]]''. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 08:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC) **I googled the authors and found this: [https://www.um.edu.mt/library/oar/bitstream/123456789/25290/1/AI%20and%20medicine.pdf In this article] that was published in a July 2016 issue of ''[[The New York Review of Science Fiction]]'', on the PDF page 3/6 there is text that seems to be almost a word-for-word copy of the second lead paragraph in [[Robot-assisted surgery]]. In [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Robot-assisted_surgery&oldid=695793782 December 2015] the WP article read, {{tq|In the case of robotically-assisted minimally-invasive surgery, instead of directly moving the instruments, the surgeon uses one of two methods to control the instruments; either a direct telemanipulator or through computer control.}} From the article (middle of the left column): {{tq|In the case of robotically assisted, minimally invasive surgery, instead of directly moving the instruments, the surgeon uses one of two methods to control the instruments—either a direct tele-manipulator or through computer control.}} I cut it for space, but it's the whole second paragraph of the WP article's lead. I didn't check if there are more hits from Wikipedia in that article. -[[User:Kyykaarme|kyykaarme]] ([[User talk:Kyykaarme|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC) ***[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378378220307611?via%3Dihub Also this]. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]]) 12:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC) **** And [https://retractionwatch.com/2020/12/10/elsevier-looking-into-very-serious-concerns-after-student-calls-out-journal-for-fleet-of-star-trek-articles-other-issues/ this] with [https://retractionwatch.com/2021/03/31/beam-us-up-elsevier-pulls-26-covid-19-papers-by-researcher-with-a-penchant-for-star-trek/ followup]. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 13:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC) ***** ... already mentioned in article ''[[Early Human Development]]'' ({{ping|Nemo bis}} for info). [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 13:39, 30 May 2021 (UTC) *Look at [http://rainbowhonorwalk.org/?page_id=77 this] "Information freely excerpted from Wikipedia" but not stated which articles or linked. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] &#183; [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 22:13, 2 June 2021 (UTC) *Agree with Pam on notifying the editors. I have come across errors in a peer-reviewed journal derived from cribbing Wikipedia before, but it wasn't quite as blatant as this. —[[User:Nizolan|Nizolan]] ^{([[User talk:Nizolan|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Nizolan|c.]])} 14:02, 5 June 2021 (UTC) *:I consider @[[User:Doc James|Doc James]] to be one of the experts on this problem. He's found plagiarism in multiple textbooks and journal articles. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 20:20, 8 June 2021 (UTC) *On the last point: no, we shouldn't be citing this and including it. This is a copyright violation and we should not even really be linking to copyright violations, let alone using them as a source. But more fundamentally, the reason that we require reliable sources is because Wikipedia articles are not about us, what we think or how we would explain a topic. They're for summarising how experts do think and explain these topics. So an unsourced quick intro with mostly self-evident facts is better than nothing, but it should ultimately be replaced, and regardless of it going in one end of an academic source and out the other, it's still fundamentally not what we're looking for in an explanation. (But on the other hand, congrats on writing a summary good enough for those researchers to think it was valuable enough to steal...) — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 14:42, 11 June 2021 (UTC) :Report the plagiarism and copyright violation to whomever is appropriate. If the paper was publisher, report it to the publisher. If it was an academic paper, report it to the university or school's academic honesty people. That said, I've reported multiple ''published'' academic papers for large-scale plagiarism of Wikipedia... and you know what's come of it so far? Nothing. Just boilerplate "thank you, we'll look into it" replies. I've even followed up on those only to get more of the same with nothing ever coming of it. Kind of depressing. But I will always go after people who plagiarize and try to maximally harm them. They should literally lose their jobs for it. [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] ([[User talk:Jason Quinn|talk]]) 02:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC) : You'd expect the numerous journalists lurking on Wikipedia to notice this post & do some reporting on this phenomena. Or maybe some have tried, only to have their editors or publishers spike the article, because this kind of publicity would look bad for them. Of course, plagiarism is a bad thing to do, whether by students or academics who know better -- & set the example. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 17:05, 16 June 2021 (UTC) == Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 1 == <div style = "line-height: 1.2"> <span style="font-size:200%;">'''Universal Code of Conduct News'''</span><br> <span style="font-size:120%; color:#404040;">'''Issue 1, June 2021'''</span><span style="font-size:120%; float:right;">[[m:Universal Code of Conduct/Newsletter/1|Read the full newsletter]]</span> ---- Welcome to the first issue of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct|Universal Code of Conduct News]]! This newsletter will help Wikimedians stay involved with the development of the new code, and will distribute relevant news, research, and upcoming events related to the UCoC. Please note, this is the first issue of UCoC Newsletter which is delivered to all subscribers and projects as an announcement of the initiative. 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[[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 00:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC) *:{{u|Johnuniq}}, It includes employees and board members of affiliates and employees and board members of the Wikimedia Foundation, but it should be noted that the foundation only holds itself to a {{tq|a minimum set of guidelines of expected and unacceptable behaviour}}. [[User:Vexations|Vexations]] ([[User talk:Vexations|talk]]) 00:45, 11 June 2021 (UTC) :@[[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]], @[[User:Vexations|Vexations]] as you may or may not be aware I am a member of the drafting committee. I've actually specifically asked this question and the answer is that in the abstract the UCoC will definitely govern volunteer/WMF interactions (both ways). I hope that this answer will be confirmed in a more final form as the drafting process continues. Best, [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 19:08, 15 June 2021 (UTC) ::Thanks for the above two comments but I was talking about how the UCoC would be applied in practice, rather than its theoretical boundary. Apart from the issues revealed above, plenty of evidence of problems has emerged in past years including a very inappropriate culture among some staff and troubles at senior management level. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 23:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC) :::I'm also talking about how it would be applied in practice. Whether or not it covers Volunteer / foundation employee interaction feels like a significant thing in practice. What I don't think it would cover would be the situation harej describes above which is an unfortunate piece of foundation culture but only seems to involve foundation employees. 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[[User:Xeno (WMF)|Xeno (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Xeno (WMF)|talk]]) 03:32, 12 June 2021 (UTC) (correction to previous message: it's at 05:00 UTC) == Board of Trustees candidates and questions == June 29th is the deadline to apply to the Board of Trustees, as well as sending questions for candidates, see [[:meta:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Apply to be a Candidate]]. [[User:MarioGom|MarioGom]] ([[User talk:MarioGom|talk]]) 15:57, 19 June 2021 (UTC) == How can there be centralized discussion? == Let's say the primary topic is [[Murder of George Floyd]] or [[2021 United States Capitol attack]]. The specific article that needs improvement, or the specific article that would be the appropriate place for information, is not known. It seems the logical starting place for figuring out where the information should go is the talk page of the central article unless there is a Wikiproject. But people object if I try to use those talk pages for improvements to other articles when is not known which other article would be the right place. — [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#aa4400"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;• 14:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC) :In the [[Talk:2021 United States Capitol attack#Normal tourist visit|discussion I believe you are referring to]], after your initial comment, you mentioned making changes to another page, and there were some replies, followed by someone asking you to discuss changes about that page on its talk page. Since you had already identified and modified another page, follow-up discussion on the modified page is appropriate. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 15:01, 17 June 2021 (UTC) ::That's just one discussion, and I'm not absolutely sure I changed the right page. I just know that the information I wanted to add was in the same source as other information that was already there. Also, it complicates things if the discussion already started and it gets moved to a new place. And like I said, it the actual article needing a change is not known, the main article should be a starting point because then people can start by saying, "No, not here."— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#aa4400"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;• 15:17, 17 June 2021 (UTC) :::I haven't seen any issues with people starting discussions on a central page or a WikiProject discussion page. As far as I can tell, it's commonly done. If you have some other experiences to share, we can look at them. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 15:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC) ::::I don't know whether there was a project page for either of these. I just started where I thought I could get results.— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#aa4400"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;• 15:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC) :The original design for [[mw:Flow]] included a feature (never built) for having the same discussion thread on multiple pages, or even on more than one wiki, e.g., if you need to coordinate something with Commons. The idea was that a discussion could be moved or shared between multiple pages, while keeping the history intact. I still think there would be some value in that, especially for discussions that affect multiple articles. I don't think it's going to happen in the foreseeable future, though. [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 18:50, 17 June 2021 (UTC) *{{ping|Vchimpanzee}} I would ''not'' advise using a wikiproject talk page, as they are very easy to miss, '''unless''' you ensure that at the same time as you start one you place talk page notices to every significantly affected article [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 12:27, 18 June 2021 (UTC) ::Again, I'm trying to avoid having more than one page. I think what I did is just fine.— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#aa4400"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;• 16:20, 18 June 2021 (UTC) ::*{{ping|Vchimpanzee}} the discussion is best done on a single page, but I'm talking about neutral '''notice''' on all applicable pages [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 16:29, 18 June 2021 (UTC) :::When you don't know what pages might be used how do you even start?— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#aa4400"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;• 17:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC) ::::[[User:Vchimpanzee]], in general a discussion should be started on a relevant page and a neutral notification should be given on others. If more relevant articles come to light during the discussion then more neutral notifications should be made. Any discussion anywhere is better than edit warring. In particular, good advice was given to you in the very first response in the discussion linked above: "you'll have to do the basic work". Editing an encyclopedia beyond the level of fixing typos and spelling mistakes is not easy, and people should put the thought in when needed rather than rely on others to do it. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 18:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC) :::::All I can say is if I have to figure out myself where to put something in an article where there is no clue, it will start out looking strange and others willend up fixing it. I'm just trying to get that part taken care of before anyone has to do any fixing.— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#aa4400"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;• 16:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC) == The results of Community Reporting System research are ready == Hello All, To better understand the perspectives of individuals in the Wikimedia community who have experienced harassment, Wikimedia Foundation researched our community members’ knowledge of, and comfort with, existing enforcement and reporting processes. An executive summary of the research report is now available on [[m:Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations/Research|Meta.]] Currently, the executive summary is available in English, Spanish, and German. 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He or she even accused me of violating multiple account rules despite the fact that I was locked out of my previous accounts a few months ago. If anyone who is a admin of the Japanese Wikipedia, can either remind him/her that I cannot speak Japanese and that I created and added the template for a very good reason. Thanks. [[User:SpinnerLaserzthe2nd|SpinnerLaserzthe2nd]] ([[User talk:SpinnerLaserzthe2nd|talk]]) 22:20, 25 June 2021 (UTC) == Tense in year articles == Hello, Not sure if the miscellaneous section of the village pump is the right place for this discussion, so please direct me to somewhere more suitable if not. Currently, in year articles (as a random example since I have it open right now, [[2015]]), it seems that tense is mixed between present and past. Most of the time, present tense is used{{snd}}but when it doesn't work grammatically for a certain sentence structure, past tense has to be used. For example, from [[2015]], any time an eclipse is mentioned, past tense is used: {{tq|March 20 – A total solar eclipse was visible in the north Atlantic, Faroe Islands, Svalbard. It was the 61st eclipse of the 120th saros cycle which started on May 27, 933 AD and will end on July 7, 2195, which is 180 years ahead of 2015.}} Therefore, my question is the following: ''Should tense in this articles be standardised? If so, to what?'' Any input is appreciated. Thanks, [[User:DesertPipeline|DesertPipeline]] ([[User talk:DesertPipeline|talk]]) 05:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC) ===Discussion=== {{small|[[File:Information.svg|20px]] ''Please add a comment below. Use bullet points (<code>*</code>) for initial comments and indent (<code>:</code>) for replies to comments. 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'''Please share this information with your community.'''</div></div> [[user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] 01:19, 27 June 2021 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=21463754 --> == A RfC that could do with some more input == There is a [[Talk:List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)#RfC_about_adding_the_EU_to_the_article|RfC under way]] about whether to add the European Union to the [[List of countries by GDP (nominal)]]. Please share you thoughts. Thanks. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 20:39, 27 June 2021 (UTC) == Ex-Muslims, merge or split ? == '''Inputs requested''':A discussion about whether to merge the article [[Ex-Muslims]] into the article [[Apostasy in Islam]] is underway @ [[Talk:Apostasy in Islam#Split or Merge ?]] Thanks [[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias are for expanding information and knowledge&#39;]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 04:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC) == Another RfC needing outside input == See [[Talk:Prem Rawat#RfC regarding content concerning TimelessToday LLC and its app.]] [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 22:58, 28 June 2021 (UTC) == July Good Article Nominations backlog drive == A [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN Backlog Drives/July 2021|Good Article Nominations backlog drive]] runs from 1 July 2021, 00:00 (UTC) and ends on 31 July 2021, 23:59 (UTC). This is a monthlong effort to cut the number of outstanding GANs and in particular those which have been in the queue 90 days or more. Awards will be given out to those individuals who do the most work in helping reduce the size of the backlog and reach milestones related to the number, age, and size, of articles reviewed. Currently there are 330 GANs which have been waiting for a review longer than 30 days, so help cutting the backlog is most appreciated. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] &#183; [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 01:56, 29 June 2021 (UTC) == Questia.com links == As [[Questia]] is no more, should Questia.com links in references be bulk-tagged as dead, or removed, or what? [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 08:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC) :{{re|DuncanHill}} Not that this should hold up any other work on this, but as both Questia and Gale are partners of The Wikipedia Library, I have been in contact with Gale to see if we might be able to get a mapping of Questia URLs to Gale URLs. This would mean a bot run could find-and-replace the URLs to somewhere helpful like we did when Highbeam shut down. No promises, I've been asking for a while :) [[User:Samwalton9 (WMF)|Samwalton9 (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Samwalton9 (WMF)|talk]]) 09:58, 1 July 2021 (UTC) ::{{re|Samwalton9 (WMF)}} Thanks - that would be great! [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 10:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC) :: ::If there is a bot that can rewrite Highbeam urls, it still has work to do: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%22highbeam%22+insource%3A%2Fhttps%3F%3A%5C%2F%5C%2Fwww%5C.highbeam%5C.com%2F&ns0=1 this search] suggests that there are some 16,500+ articles that have Highbeam links. Some of those have archive snapshots but those are mostly useless because they are teaser pages that ask for login – which of course, you can't do because Highbeam is dead... ::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 15:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC) :::When we did the Highbeam->Questia replacement we were only able to receive a partial match on the total list of links unfortunately. I don't recall the details now but as I recall there wasn't always a 1:1 replacement available. [[User:Samwalton9 (WMF)|Samwalton9 (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Samwalton9 (WMF)|talk]]) 16:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC) == How do we find articles that have no files? == Hello, how do we find articles that have no files? After I tried a lot Such as: Special pages, Categories, Wikidata Query, using Regex in Wikipedia search engine, external ways and more, I found no way to show me articles that had no files used. I think we need a special page in this case. Is there any way to do so? Thanks! ⇒ [[User:Aram|<span style="color:#ff0;background:#000;font-family:cursive;text-shadow:3px 3px 5px #ff0;">Aram</span>]][[User talk:Aram|<span style="color:#000;background:#ff0;font-family:cursive;text-shadow:3px 3px 5px #000;">Talk</span>]] 21:40, 29 June 2021 (UTC) :What do you mean by "no files"? -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 21:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC) :There isn't a specific tool, see [[:mw:Topic:Vkht9t30wpxcw464]]. For pages that have been identified by editors in need of images see [[:Category:Wikipedia requested images]]. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 21:55, 29 June 2021 (UTC) ::{{ping|RoySmith}}, {{ping|Xaosflux}} replied. Thank you very much! That discussion link on Mediawiki is very useful and led me to a lot of very good ways. Thank you again! ⇒ [[User:Aram|<span style="color:#ff0;background:#000;font-family:cursive;text-shadow:3px 3px 5px #ff0;">Aram</span>]][[User talk:Aram|<span style="color:#000;background:#ff0;font-family:cursive;text-shadow:3px 3px 5px #000;">Talk</span>]] 12:18, 30 June 2021 (UTC) :@[[User:Aram|Aram]] Technically, [[quarry:query/56382]] is a simple query that shows the articles with no files. However, note that this will ''not'' include any article with tags like {{t|unreferenced}}, {{t|more citations needed}}, etc since the icons on those maintenance templates count as a file. – [[User:SD0001|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span>]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 15:58, 30 June 2021 (UTC) ::{{ping|SD0001}} Thank you, but I think the query is not accurate because of that restriction. It may need to be edited a little bit (if it's possible) to make the results more accurate, and so it can be added to [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Pages_Wanting_Photos/Lists_of_articles_with_missing_photos#Wikipedia_articles_needing_images here] so that other users can benefit from it. ⇒ [[User:Aram|<span style="color:#ff0;background:#000;font-family:cursive;text-shadow:3px 3px 5px #ff0;">Aram</span>]][[User talk:Aram|<span style="color:#000;background:#ff0;font-family:cursive;text-shadow:3px 3px 5px #000;">Talk</span>]] 20:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC) :::Note that has a "limit 2000" on it, the FULL results would be HUGE. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 20:56, 30 June 2021 (UTC) ::::Huge, as in 596538 pages. Almost one in ten pages in the main namespace. A couple clicks of [[Special:Randompage]] should suit your purpose just fine. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 22:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]], could you filter that list to provide the top 10K (or some suitable number) based on the rating system for the [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team]] or by page views? That would tend to focus efforts on articles that are getting read more frequently. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 19:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC) ::::::Not by pageviews anymore, I think, now that cross-database joins aren't possible anymore. But [[quarry:query/56422]] has completely-imageless articles rated Top- or High-importance by any wikiproject. Pages assessed by more than one project will have multiple entries; it's not worth the effort to cull them out. And it has the same shortcoming as [[User:SD0001|SD0001's]] query above, though I suppose images like [[:File:Question book-new.svg]] that are on particularly common templates could be filtered out if someone were to compile a list of them. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 21:03, 2 July 2021 (UTC) ==Discussion at [[:Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Membership guidelines]]== [[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|25px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[:Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Membership guidelines]]. [[User:Chess|Chess]] ([[User talk:Chess|talk]]) <small>(please use&#32;{{tlx|reply to|Chess}} on reply)</small>{{Z181}}<!--Template:Please ping--> 10:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC){{Z48}}<!-- [[Template:Please see]] --> == Getting access to deleted articles == Let us consider the situation. Some Wikipedia user wrote an article. Someone else nominated the article for removal, the nomination was discussed, and the article was removed. As far as I understand the spirit of Wikipedia, the user should have the right to receive, if desired, the text of the deleted article - for example, for working on it in his Sandbox, or for publication on some other resource. What should be the actions of such a user? Are there any policies/rules for getting access to deleted articles? --[[User:Perohanych|Perohanych]] ([[User talk:Perohanych|talk]]) 10:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC) :See [[WP:REFUND]](Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion) or if you prefer most admins will e-mail you a copy if you ask them nice. If it was deleted due to consensus or because it was inappropriate then it probably won't be undeleted short of a successful [[WP:DRV|deletion review]]. But again even in cases where it is not appropriate on Wikipedia it can be e-mailed to you. <small>[[User talk:HighInBC|<b style="color:DarkOliveGreen">HighInBC</b>]] <small>^{Need help? '''[[User talk:HighInBC|Just ask.]]'''}</small></small> 11:04, 2 July 2021 (UTC) :The only "rights" editors have are spelled out in the terms of use, for the most part they only deal with copyright. Besides that, there are plenty of reasons to deny such as request. If you write a libelous or attack article and we delete it as such, we're generally not going to restore it for you to continue working on it. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 11:13, 2 July 2021 (UTC) ::Probably we should elaborate some all-embracing list of such cases, like: ::* copyvio ::* libelous article ::* attack article :: "Going or not going to restore" ? Probably "Should or should not restore" would sound better? --[[User:Perohanych|Perohanych]] ([[User talk:Perohanych|talk]]) 11:20, 2 July 2021 (UTC) == [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/2021-07-02/2021_Confirmed_Candidates|Announcing the confirmed candidates for the 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election]] == [[File:One-pager about Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.pdf|thumb|A short introduction to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees]] Hello, I'm one of the facilitators working on Movement Strategy and Governance. Today, we are delivering [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/2021-07-02/2021_Confirmed_Candidates|an announcement from The Elections Committee]] regarding the confirmed candidates for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021|2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections]]. I have reproduced the announcement (below) and have also provided a [[:File:One-pager_about_Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees.pdf|brief introduction about the Board]] (right). Please let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Xeno (WMF)|Xeno (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Xeno (WMF)|talk]]) 15:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC) ;Announcement: ''Copied from [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/2021-07-02/2021_Confirmed_Candidates|original announcement (also available in other languages)]]'' ---- The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021|2021 Board of Trustees election]] opens 4 August 2021. Candidates from the community were asked to submit their candidacy. After a three week long Call for Candidates, there are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Candidates#Candidate_Table|20 candidates for the 2021 election]]. The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees|Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees]] oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's operations. The Board wants to improve their competences and diversity as a team. They have shared the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Candidates#Skills|areas of expertise]] that they are hoping to cover with new trustees. The Wikimedia movement has the opportunity to vote for the selection of community-and-affiliate trustees. The Board is expected to afterwards select the four most voted candidates to serve as trustees starting in September for a term of three years. How can you get involved? '''Learn more about the candidates''' [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Candidates#Candidate Table|Candidates from across the movement have submitted their candidatures]]. Learn about each candidate to inform your vote. The community submitted questions for the candidates to answer during the campaign. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Candidates/CandidateQ&A|Candidates will answer the list of community questions]] collated by the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections committee|Elections Committee]] on Meta. In the coming weeks, candidates will have the opportunity to submit videos of themselves speaking about their candidacy. '''Participate in campaign activities''' The team of facilitators supporting this Board election has planned some activities for the campaign period. These activities can be found on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021#Campaign%20Activities|Board election page on Meta]]. Community members are welcome and encouraged to organize activities in their own communities. We do ask that any activities intended to involve candidates remain respectful of their time, since candidacy can be very time-consuming. Please list activities you organize on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021#Campaign%20Activities|Board election page on Meta]] so more people can find them. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021#Team|Facilitators]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Election Volunteers|Election Volunteers]] are available if you need support. '''Vote''' Voting for the 2021 Board of Trustees election opens on 4 August 2021 and closes on 17 August 2021. The Elections Committee chose Single Transferable Vote for the voting system. Learn more about [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Voting|voting requirements]], the process, and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/FAQ|frequently asked questions about voting]]. '''Single Transferable Vote''' This voting system allows voters to rank candidates. The benefit of this is voters can rank their choices in order of preference. This helps share your preferences more clearly than support or oppose. If your top choice candidate already has enough votes to be selected, your vote will be moved to your second choice candidate. If your top choice candidate will not win, your vote will be moved to your second choice candidate. And so on. The facilitation team came up with [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/FAQ#New%20in%202021|a fun example]]. More information will be coming mid-July. Please spread the word so more people can support finding the best candidates to help guide the Wikimedia Foundation and support the needs of the movement over the next few years. Best, The Elections Committee == Honestly, is everyone else crazy, or is it me? == So, universally (that is, literally everyone ever except me, that I have seen) uses the {{tl|reflist}} template as the sole contents of the "References" section and mixes the body of the refs with the article text. I use <nowiki>{{reflist|refs=</nowiki> [then all the refs inside <nowiki><ref>...</ref></nowiki> brackets one after the other, then the "reflist" template closed with an <nowiki>}}</nowiki>]. ''It's so much better''. It is. So when I go to edit a section (of anybody else's page) I see like: {{talkquote|<nowiki>'''The Crab Claw''' is a<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.bbonline.com/articles/maryland/st-michaels/st-michaels-restaurants-mouth-watering-seafood-eateries.html |title=St. Michaels Restaurants: Mouth-Watering Seafood Eateries |author= |date= |work=Bed & Breakfast Inns Online |accessdate=February 25, 2011}}</ref> independent-owned restaurant located in [[St. Michaels, Maryland]].<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/gog/restaurants/the-crab-claw,1155651.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20091029142010/http://www.washingtonpost.com/gog/restaurants/the-crab-claw,1155651.html |url-status=dead |archive-date=October 29, 2009 |title=The Crab Claw |author= |date= |work=Washington Post |accessdate=February 25, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/206/1051746/restaurant/Maryland/Easton/Crab-Claw-Restaurant-St-Michaelsdc |title=Crab Claw Restaurant |author= |date= |work=Urban Spoon |accessdate=February 25, 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://national.citysearch.com/profile/5022923/st_michaels_md/crab_claw_restaurant.html |title=Crab Claw Restaurant |author= |date= |work=Citysearch |accessdate=February 25, 2011}}</ref> They have an extensively large amount of seafood on their menu, and they are known locally for their steamed crabs. The business evolved from a clam-shucking business established in the 1950s.<ref name="roadfood">{{cite web |url=http://www.roadfood.com/Restaurant/Reviews/271/the-crab-claw |title=The Crab Claw |author= |date= |work=Roadfood |accessdate=February 25, 2011}}</ref> In 1965, they added a seafood eatery. </nowiki>}} Whereas editing the same section in one of my articles you see: {{talkquote|<nowiki>'''The Crab Claw''' is a<ref name=Bbonline/> independent-owned restaurant located in [[St. Michaels, Maryland]].<ref name=WaPo/><refname=UrbanSpoon/><ref name=Citysearch/> They have an extensively large amount of seafood on their menu, and they are known locally for their steamed crabs. The business evolved from a clam-shucking business established in the 1950s.<ref name=Roadfood/> In 1965, they added a seafood eatery.</nowiki>}} Boy howdy, you can read my version better can you not? By Grabthar's hammer, I can barely read the top version. What I usually do is go to thru it add a blank line before and after each ref (a hassle) so I can at least kind of figure out what is text and what is refs. And it's still a mess to work with. With the "refs=" procedure, the details of the ref are segregated in the "References" section. I mean if you are editing, you very seldom need to know who the author of a ref is or whatever. And you ''very'' rarely want to ''edit'' an existing ref, unless you are specifically going in to fix an error (also rare, and in which case, knowing it's in the References section is maybe better anyway) Virtually the only way you want to access an existing ref is to ''look at it'', to check what's in it etc. You want to do that from the actual page by clicking the source's link (if there is one) which takes you directly to the source. If you're editing, you would need to pick thru the mess to find the url, copy it, open a tab, and paste in the url. Hardly any harder to jump down to the References section where it's all laid out neatly like little soldiers waiting for you command. (I usually keep a live version of the article open in a separate tab; if you're editing on your phone, I can't image that the top version above is easier to deal with tho.) If for some reason you need to find the ref details, they're together with the other refs in the References section. It's not a lot harder to get to them, and as I said this is fairly rare. Also, if you want to look at the refs for the article generally (I suppose this is possible), there they are all together. With the "refs=" procedure, all the refs are always named, and the contents are findable pretty easily in the References section, rather than having to comb thru the entire article to find the initial definition of the name with the ref details. This makes it much easier for ''writing'' the article, assuming you are re-using refs (which is fairly common) I also can copy in a blank ref at the bottom of the References section and bonk-bonk make a copy and fill it in when I'm adding another ref. What you guys do I can't imagine. Great Caesar's ghost, ''what am I missing?'' All this is documented at {{tl|reflist}} and has been since forever. I found it, why can't anyone else? I even (just once) had an admin come in and "fix" my stuff by jamming all the refs up into the article text. He'd never heard of the "refs=" method I guess. As a programmer, it reminds me of mixing in your data with your code, which is terrible. Separate the data (the article text) from the code (the ref details). Using the "refs=" procedure, the refs are like calls to a subroutine, where the code for that subroutine is off somewhere else where it's not bothering you; you know what it does. And you can find it and look at if you want. Again, what is the downside here? (Yeah I know objects can contain code and data, but that ain't anything like the mess I'm describing here.) I swear, I will give a crisp United States dollar to anyone who can convince me that the "refs=" method is worse, for either the writer or the editor (usually; I don't use this 100%, there are rare exceptions when it's better to use your guys's method. Rare.) Or is just a matter of advertising this? If so, let's! "It's like discovering sex" might be a good (and accurate!) slogan. Yr Obedient Servant, [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 00:40, 26 June 2021 (UTC) :I use the refs= method in my articles that have quite a few refs; I place them with the refname in alphabetical order so it's easier to find the definition. It's particularly useful when refs are reused several times, because I don't have to hunt to find where it's defined in the body. And I agree that it makes it easier to read the body in editing view. (adding) See [[:Literary feud]] for an example; it would horrid to work on with the refs defined inline. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#9966FF;">Schazjmd</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#5500FF;">''(talk)''</span>]] 00:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC) :One drawback of [[Help:list-defined references|list-defined references]] is that they're not compatible with [[WP:VisualEditor|VisualEditor]]; if you click on a ref defined this way, you get a message that "This reference is defined in a template or other generated block, and for now can only be edited in source mode." Additionally, if references are separated from their invocation, it's easier to get mismatches between references invoked and defined, leading to the bright red reference errors that populate [[:Category:Pages with citation errors]]. This is not to say they're useless, but they're not perfect. [[User:Vahurzpu|Vahurzpu]] ([[User talk:Vahurzpu|talk]]) 03:50, 26 June 2021 (UTC) * Extreme hyperbole is seldom a good strategy if you want people to take you seriously. &middot; &middot; &middot; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|^(talk)]]: 07:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC) :{{u|Herostratus}}, I was going to disagree with {{talk quote block| literally everyone ever except me, that I have seen }} but you did add the qualifier "that I have seen" so you may be correcct. : :You are referring to LDR - list defined references. : :I was a big fan. : :Check out [[Reelin]] and my edits on 23 October 2009. : :I used that approach on many articles for a period, but I stopped. : :It used to be the case that creating footnotes was one of the more challenging tasks in Wikipedia. I created a suite of tools to build them in a word processor, and I decided that if I had to build them, the LDR approach was superior. : :However, the VE team finally figured out how to do references, and once it was easy to drop in a url or DOI and let VE do the work, I decided that was the better approach even it it meant that the created ref was the old format rather than LDR. Even if you have to edit the ref, it can now usually be done in VE, so you rarely have to see the gory details. : :So I stopped pushing for LDR. [[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="color:#000E2F;padding:0 4px;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">S Philbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">(Talk)</span>]] 01:02, 29 June 2021 (UTC) *I largely agree, and I usually use LDRs when I create new articles. One minor downside no-one has mentioned is that, unlike inline references, LDRs entail some manual 'garbage collection'. An editor might delete the last citation of a given work without realizing it, which leaves an orphaned item in the reflist. Though this does lead to a big red 'Cite error' message after the rendered list of references, so it's pretty easily noticed and fixed. [[User:Colin M|Colin M]] ([[User talk:Colin M|talk]]) 18:06, 30 June 2021 (UTC) * I avoid trying to read the "junk code" by opening two windows, one with the article text and one with the code. My PC's CTRL-F works very well for rapid navigation and checking multiple uses of a citation. --[[User:Bejnar|Bejnar]] ([[User talk:Bejnar|talk]]) 03:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC) == Afghan situation map RFC == An RFC is undergoing about whether or not a live situation map including information apparently partly sourced to the Taliban should be used on EN Wiki. [[Talk:Taliban_insurgency#RfC_on_the_Taliban_insurgency_situation_map|The RFC can be seen here]]. [[User:FOARP|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP|talk]]) 09:03, 4 July 2021 (UTC) == Discussion on Commons of fictional flags and of deleting files in use on English Wikipedia == On Commons[[:c:Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Fictional_flags_-_are_they_in_scope?]] there is a discussion of fictional flags etc. and that include deletions of files in use in articles and on userpages on English Wikipedia. There is also a test DR [[:c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files found with Flag of the British Isles]] where it have been suggested to delete a file that is used on almost 100 userpages on English Wikipedia. That would be a change of [[:c:COM:SCOPE]] where the general rule is in use = in scope. You are welcome to comment. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 06:28, 5 July 2021 (UTC) == Wikiredia == I searched for something using Bing (normally use Google 95% of the time) and a website called wikiredia.com came up in search results, second or third down the page. Just wondering what this website is and does it contain malware or viruses? [[Special:Contributions/158.222.185.250|158.222.185.250]] ([[User talk:158.222.185.250|talk]]) 15:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC) :It is listed at [[Wikipedia:mirrors and forks]]… but it is not connected to Wikipedia or any of its sister projects… so I would avoid - just to play it safe. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 16:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC) ::Do fork websites like this typically contain viruses? I clicked on it by mistake because it looks so similar to Wikipedia, it's only different by one letter. [[Special:Contributions/158.222.185.250|158.222.185.250]] ([[User talk:158.222.185.250|talk]]) 01:40, 6 July 2021 (UTC) == [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Roundtable_discussions|Upcoming UCOC/MSG round-table discussion on 17 July 2021 at 15:00 UTC]] == Hello, The Movement Strategy and Governance facilitation team will be hosting '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Roundtable_discussions|round-table discussions]]''' for Wikimedians to talk together about the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct|Universal Code of Conduct]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Movement Charter|Movement Charter]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021|ongoing 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board Elections]], and other [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Movement Strategy|Movement Strategy]] initiatives. The next call is 17 July 2021 at 15:00 UTC ([https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1626534011 check time]). Conversations will be hosted in at least French, German, Spanish, and English. The calls will last between 90 and 120 minutes and involve open discussions. The ideas shared during the calls will be summarized for the Wikimedia Foundation teams working on these topics. We look forward to talking with you. Please see [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations/Roundtable discussions#Sign_up|further details and sign up here]]. Please let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Xeno (WMF)|Xeno (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Xeno (WMF)|talk]]) 00:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC) == Redirects == The following redirects were undone [[WKPJ-LP]] and [[W10DD-D]]. These radio stations aren't notable and were redirected for a reason. Also [[WDSJ-LP]] and [[WOFB-LP]] had there categories restored, these radio stations aren't notable either and were redirect for a reason. Enough is enough of editors not logged in undoing redirects![[User:Catfurball|Catfurball]] ([[User talk:Catfurball|talk]]) 16:04, 2 July 2021 (UTC) :Enough is enough when it comes to editors (logged in or not) who edit war rather than discuss things on article talk pages when they are disputed. Just talk about it rather than assume that you are right about content. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 20:06, 2 July 2021 (UTC) ::Do not remove categories from redirects without reason. In many cases they should be categorised. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|talk]]) 15:31, 7 July 2021 (UTC) :::Indeed, I restored them. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 16:43, 7 July 2021 (UTC) == I feel like shit == {{atop|1=Thank you to everyone who has commented, especially my former coworkers. It has been over a month since I made this original post, and more than a few people have responded, so I think at this point it's best to close the thread. [[User:Harej|Harej]] ([[User talk:Harej|talk]]) 01:49, 11 July 2021 (UTC)}} I have been sitting on this for around two years. It has taken me a really long time to figure out how to express this. As you may know I worked for the Wikimedia Foundation from 2018 to 2019. This was following a lifetime of service to the Wikimedia movement. I started contributing my time in 2004 and over time participated in greater and more consequential capacities. I am proud of the work I have done, from making workflows more efficient with bots, to organizing large and successful conferences, to my work on building an open citation graph on Wikidata. What I am not proud of is working at the Wikimedia Foundation. I worked very hard throughout my career and ultimately found full time work at one of the world’s most illustrious nonprofits. What I got for my lifetime of work was the experience of working with bullies. The Wikimedia Foundation is run by bullies. There are two members of executive management that come to mind. Both have made me the object of repeated ridicule over a period of several years in my volunteer and professional capacities. One has interacted with me a single digit number of times and only did so to make fun of some verbal gaffe I made or otherwise mock something I have said or done. Another liked to make jokes about me as well, often right in my face. I had an experience of interviewing with this executive, only for them to make fun of me to my face in subsequent encounters. Both of these people still work at the Wikimedia Foundation. I am not referring to them directly because I don’t want them to sue me and I don’t want my post to be oversighted, but they still hold positions of power, and they are still responsible for managing staff. There are a lot of things I could tell you about the foundation, good or bad. I could tell you about the brilliance of the staff, the genuine collaborations between professionals and volunteers that take place, and the sincere dedication of everyone I have met working there. I could also tell you about the lack of leadership at the highest levels, and the interdepartmental war for resources that resulted. But I was merely demoralized by this chaos; it wasn’t my own personal experience. I could tell you about how women, and women of color in particular, are chewed up and spit out by the management. But that’s not my story to tell. I could complain that their growth strategy is complete nonsense and destined to fail, but that’s, just, like, my opinion. But this is my story to tell: I am an adult with autism. Over the years, especially when I was younger, it is inevitable that I would say and do things that are kind of funny. And I have been made fun of my entire life for it. I can forgive myself for saying awkward things, and I can forgive people for what they did as children. What I cannot forgive is a fully grown adult, in a position of significant authority, bullying another adult in their workplace. It is unforgivable. After a chaotic 18 or so months of working at Wikimedia, I turned in my badge. The experience left me with posttraumatic stress disorder, seriously adrift on a moral and emotional level, and occasionally prone to psychotic episodes. Over time I have been able to forgive the dysfunction that defined my work experience, but I could not let go of the fact that there are bullies who work for the Wikimedia Foundation and still work there. As Wikipedians we are a neurodiverse community and come from many different backgrounds. We need management that is not just charismatic, not just good at giving speeches, but empathetic and compassionate, who genuinely understands our experiences. I feel terrible and exposed writing this. I may be opening myself up to retaliation. But I have been sitting on this for so long, and it has tortured me so much. And I can’t live with myself not knowing that this perspective is invisible. You are not going to hear it from the slick Communications team, and you’re not going to hear it from people who think speaking up will make them unemployable. But at this point, I don’t think I have anything to lose. And if others speak up because of me I hope it will be worth it. [[User:Harej|Harej]] ([[User talk:Harej|talk]]) 03:14, 22 May 2021 (UTC) :{{u|Harej}}, damn. I'm no WMF employee, but why do I not feel surprised? To answer my own question, it's probably due to how the WMF tends to steamroll over community wishes ([[m:Community open letter on renaming|Branding <s>project</s> insanity]], [[WP:FRAMBAN]], [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2020-11-29/News and notes|trying to kick out Jimbo]], failing to adequately deal with [[WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU]] and the [[c:Commons:Village pump/Proposals/Archive/2019/02#Do we want to bot-copy descriptions to captions?|captions fiasco]] on Commons which is a story for another day and not sufficiently covered by that link) I've quoted you in full on [[User talk:Jimbo Wales]]. Getting bullied is devastating. WMF executive management bullying people is just lunacy. And the worst part is, the people who do it are typically too damn stupid to realize what they're doing. They're not compensating or "secretly insecure" as you often hear. They're just too damn stupid. They simply lack the brain capacity to understand the consequences of their actions. — <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]] or ping me) 04:58, 22 May 2021 (UTC) ::Not sure if I'd say that it's due to that, or if they have the same underlying problem (I'd be more inclined to think the latter). [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 03:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC) :Hey, {{U|Harej}}, I'm so sorry that happened to you, and thank you for standing up and saying it. [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 05:59, 23 May 2021 (UTC) :Thank you for stepping up and writing this. [[User:Legoktm|Legoktm]] ([[User talk:Legoktm|talk]]) 07:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC) ::Thank you for being honest about your experiences, {{U|Harej}}. It's really disappointing to hear this. As you'll well know, autistic people are a major part of our community, well in excess of their proportion in the general population. Any company which truly appreciated that it is built on and run by our volunteer labour would bend over backwards to be accommodating towards autistic and neurodivergent people. No doubt these management figures have also mocked neurotypicals and made them feel like shit too. And a disorganised workplace is a hotbed for mental health problems. Not a proud moment for the WMF. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 14:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC) *Well done on speaking out, {{u|Harej}}. As above, neither saddened nor surprised. (I note that this page has been archived in at least two major online archives—multiple times!—so oversighting would be a bit of a horse/stable door scenario.) [[Special:contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#960303">'''——'''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:blue">'''S'''erial</span>]] 17:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC) *Thank you for sharing your experience James. We have worked together a bit and I'm really saddened by this. I wish WMF would have been a better place. [[user:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]]^{[[User talk:Ladsgroup|overleg]]} 18:07, 23 May 2021 (UTC) *I am very sorry you feel like that, and feel ashamed that there could be such people there. You are worth a lot, they are blind if they were ''simply'' unable to recognize that, going up to bullying... I don't have words to describe it. It's really saddening that you suffered such experience. [[User:Platonides|Platonides]] ([[User talk:Platonides|talk]]) 20:23, 23 May 2021 (UTC) *Good gravy, Harej, I was so pleased when you finally had a career path open up after all your work. We should point out that you are not the only person in our group of wikibuddies who has had real life difficulties as a result of their good faith efforts on behalf of this encyclopedia. Please accept my best wishes in your future endeavors, and know that there are many places where ordinary civility and US EEO/ADA laws have made for a much less toxic environment than what you have experienced so far. It gets better-- stay in touch! [[User:Oliveleaf4|Oliveleaf4]] ([[User talk:Oliveleaf4|talk]]) 21:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC) :{{u|Harej}}, I'm so sorry to hear that. As the parent of child who was bullied because of their autism-spectrum-disorder, our collective failure to protect the neurodiverse members of our communities strikes me as particularly egregious and intolerable. We can and must do better. Thank you for speaking up. [[User:Vexations|Vexations]] ([[User talk:Vexations|talk]]) 22:01, 23 May 2021 (UTC) *Sorry for your bad experience and I hope that telling your story helps somehow. Large organizations like the WMF can sometimes be unintentionally cruel and that's why it's so important for everyone to work hard to be extra friendly and inclusive. [[User:Flounder ceo|Flounder ceo]] ([[User talk:Flounder ceo|talk]]) 01:22, 24 May 2021 (UTC) To add some clarifying remarks: I am not referring to the managers I reported directly to; they are incredible people. And I do believe most staff at the foundation are working in good faith and are trying to do right by the people they work with, professionally and in the community. I am gravely concerned that there is a culture among, specifically, the ''executives'' (i.e. direct reports to the CEO) that is toxic, and I have been on the receiving end of this in subtle ways that scarred me. While I worked there and especially since I left many of them have been replaced with new ones, and I have no opinion on them because I haven't worked with them. I've noticed a lot of people have brought their own grievances with the Wikimedia Foundation into this, and I completely understand that, just that I think my position is a bit more nuanced than the "community vs. foundation" dynamic I often see. And I also want to note that merely the experience of being able to write what I did, and the outpouring of support, has been immensely meaningful to me. Thank you. [[User:Harej|Harej]] ([[User talk:Harej|talk]]) 17:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC) *Thanks for speaking out about your experience, James. You've done a huge amount for the project, and I was saddened to read this. It takes a neurodiverse community to build this project and keep it running, and large parts of our movement could probably use more (or any) information and/or training regarding the neurodiversity of our valued contributors. Hopefully this thread helps to spur that on. &mdash; <samp>[[User:Rhododendrites|<span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span>]] <sup style="font-size:80%;">[[User_talk:Rhododendrites|talk]]</sup></samp> \\ 12:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC) *Like others above, I'm saddened but not surprised by this. Thank you for speaking out. One thing leapt immediately to mind when you wrote "We need management that is not just charismatic, not just good at giving speeches, but empathetic and compassionate, who genuinely understands our experiences" - people who are charismatic (or what passes for charismatic in some environments) and good at giving speeches are very rarely also empathetic and compassionate. Our articles [[superficial charm]] and [[psychopathy in the work-place]] may be of interest. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 14:16, 25 May 2021 (UTC) *: Interesting, [[Robert D. Hare]] coined the term "[[Snakes in Suits]]" as a synonym for workplace psychopaths. {{quote box|[[Psychological manipulation|Manipulation]] involves the psychopath creating a scenario of “[[Cognitive distortion|psychopathic fiction]]” where positive information about themselves and negative [[disinformation]] about others will be created, where your role as a part of a network of [[Flying monkeys (psychology)|pawns or patrons]] will be utilised and you will be [[Operant conditioning|groomed]] into accepting the psychopath's agenda. Once on to the confrontation stage, the psychopath will use techniques of [[character assassination]] to maintain their agenda, and you will be either discarded as a pawn or used as a patron. Finally, in the ascension stage, the role of the subject as a patron in the psychopath’s quest for power will be discarded, and the psychopath will take for himself/herself a position of power and prestige from anyone who once supported them.}} ::[[Donald Trump|Who does that make you think of]]? [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 16:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC) :::I know it's not my place, but that last link has nothing to do with what this discussion's supposed to be about. [[User:Golollop|Golollop]] ([[User talk:Sdrqaz#top|bounce]]) 16:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC) ::::No problem, I know that link is off topic, and, I hope this sidebar about [[psychopathy in the workplace]] is off topic too. If it isn't we need to know. [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 17:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC) :::::You're babbling and what you're saying isn't helpful. [[User:Moneytrees|Moneytrees🏝️]]^{[[User talk:Moneytrees|Talk]]/[[User:Moneytrees/CCI guide|CCI guide]]} 21:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC) * Hi [[User:Harej|harej]], it was sad to read about your experience. The courage you have shown here in expressing how you felt is inspirational and I am glad that taking this step was personally meaningful to you in any case. I hope that others who feel the same way about their current or former workplaces will also express themselves effectively and provide an opportunity for positive changes to occur. Thank you for sharing this and I wish you all the best. [[User:Ncmvocalist|Ncmvocalist]] ([[User talk:Ncmvocalist|talk]]) 18:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC) *{{u|Harej}}, it's really a shame to hear that. I've worked at some places like that too, and it really does leave its mark on you. I hope the WMF will take this on board and worry about the conduct of its own employees and executives. We should do better than that. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 15:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC) *That one of the nicest and most dedicated people in the site's history got treated so poorly is a damning indictment. I went through a similar situation as a kid and it's sad to see that that behavior is still considered acceptable that high up. [[User:Moneytrees|Moneytrees🏝️]]^{[[User talk:Moneytrees|Talk]]/[[User:Moneytrees/CCI guide|CCI guide]]} 22:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC) *[[User:Harej|Harej]] I'm so sorry to hear this. I can relate a little, although what I experienced wasn't nearly as bad as what you've described here. Towards the end of my time at the WMF, I felt quite unwelcome due to the actions of some people there. I tried to find a different position from the one I was in, that would distance me from those people, but was told that that was not an option that was open to me. So, my options were to put up with it, or leave. I wish I didn't feel like I needed to leave in order to preserve my mental health, but I did. In the end, it wasn't the antagonistic relationship between the paid staff and volunteers that made me leave, it was internal antagonistic relationships. It's a shame, working at a company with global impact that isn't totally driven by profit, short term thinking, and next quarter's share prices could easily be the best job in the world... but, in the end, somehow it ends up not being that different from short term profit-focussed companies anyway, and it really isn't the best job in the world at all. I hope you can begin to recover from this trauma. All the best. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] ([[User talk:Deskana|talk]]) 09:11, 1 June 2021 (UTC) ** I also relate. In my case I stuck around and tried to push back against increasing attempts at marginalization and workplace bullying. It got to the point where I officially complained to HR (and in retrospect I should have used stronger wording), they eventually claimed "no evidence" but everything I asked for happened anyway, then a month or so later allowed massive retaliation. It seems to me that the management at WMF has grown pretty dysfunctional, fostering a culture where their own image and career progression is a major goal in a way that I'd associate more with cut-throat for-profit companies than with a non-profit. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 13:32, 1 June 2021 (UTC) * Having the pleasure of working with you in the past, and also experiencing executive bullying at Wikimedia Foundation myself, I believe every detail of your story, and I can imagine exactly this sort of stratospheric managerial misconduct going unpunished. I don't want to dilute the conversation by giving my own opinion of how far up the organizational structure this rot extends, but let's say the Wikimedia Foundation would be a much better work environment, and would benefit even on a programmatic level, if the rank-and-file staff and community members were included in a democratic process. Hope we have another chance to work together! [[User:Adamw|Adamw]] ([[User talk:Adamw|talk]]) 07:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC) *: [[User:Adamw|Adamw]] I also used to work at the Wikimedia Foundation and everything you and JHare, Anomie, and Deskana have said deeply resonates with my experiences as well. I'm sorry this happened to you and I really appreciate all four of you speaking up. You can add my name to this list. [[User:Melodykramer|Melodykramer]] ([[User talk:Melodykramer|talk]]) 13:06, 30 June 2021 (UTC) * So, now what? {{re|Harej|Deskana|Anomie|Adamw}}, you have all courageously come forward ... in a thread that was going to be archived in a few days. This should not be forgotten. This deserves about 1000x more attention. But where? [[User:Suffusion of Yellow|Suffusion of Yellow]] ([[User talk:Suffusion of Yellow|talk]]) 20:48, 6 June 2021 (UTC) *:{{u|Suffusion of Yellow}}, [[User talk:Jimbo Wales#WMF bullying of Harej, Deskana, Anomie and Adamw|like Jimbo's talk page maybe]]? — <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]] or ping me) 21:33, 6 June 2021 (UTC) *:Perhaps someone can volunteer to work with editors in question to discuss what next steps they'd like to see happen? [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 21:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC) [[File:Call for feedback Community Board seats - 2021-02-02 - Second meeting.webm|thumb|200px|right|start=1060|thumbtime=1040|In a [[:meta:Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees/Call for feedback: Community Board seats/Conversations/2021-02-02 - First Office Hour/Second meeting|February 2021 call for feedback]] I requested a response to Wikimedia Foundation staff shenanigans from Wikimedia Foundation board members]] [[File:Human resources Idealab proposal flowchart.png|thumb|right|500px|We need a way to collect reports of misconduct to identify problems and provide de-identified annual status reports]] *'''"Bullying" is an appropriate term for Wikimedia Foundation staff misconduct''' There is an unacceptably high rate of Wikimedia Foundation staff and consultant misconduct in the Wikimedia Movement. Where money is involved, there are paid Wikimedia Foundation representatives who violate the [[:meta:Universal Code of Conduct]] and stifle free discussion about the regularity of this problem. The Wikimedia community of volunteers sets the values and ethics of our movement. However, as Wikimedia Movement goals increasingly come into conflict with the Wikimedia Foundation's corporate interests, the Wikimedia Foundation is more regularly putting aside its nonprofit mission and values in favor of more desirable corporate operations for staff. The Wikimedia Foundation's normalization of misconduct is accumulating grievances and undermining community trust in the Foundation's role in the Movement. No one at the Wikimedia Foundation counts, documents, researches, reports, or will publicly discuss how frequently or how severely Wikimedia Foundation staff are reported to engage in misconduct. This failure to document leads to the consequence that every time I hear of someone reporting a complaint, the Wikimedia Foundation's response is always that they have no records of other such problems. :As a solution I will suggest that the Wikimedia community needs a way to collect reports of misconduct for a third-party researcher to de-identify, categorize, and publish so that we can establish a common knowledge and understanding of the extent to which corporate operations are conflicting with the nonprofit mission. Wikimedia Foundation staff misconduct is especially offensive because donor money sponsors it, and because vulnerability to misconduct is the consequence of the Wikimedia Foundation's lack of investment in Wikimedia community infrastructure that would have enabled the community to defend itself. As a [[Catholic Church|Catholic]] I have great faith in the power of [[Confession (religion)|confession]] and [[forgiveness]], and I believe that compassion can counter misconduct. Through open and transparent discussion I believe that we could effectively, inexpensively, and realistically eliminate misconduct which has negativity as its cause. :I want to clarify: the Wikimedia Foundation does not have higher rates of misconduct than typical corporations so far as I can guess about organizations with US$100+ million in annual revenue; but the normal rates of misconduct for typical organizations are much too high to tolerate in our non-profit, mission-driven, community-centered Wikimedia Movement. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 01:29, 7 June 2021 (UTC) * Thanks for speaking up, [[User:Harej|Harej]], and for contributing so remarkably much in other ways. I'm sorry this happened to you! I will remember this. I'd like to help wipe out bullying at the Foundation and elsewhere. Our movement involves volunteers so it's especially important to keep things positive and supportive. -- [[User:Econterms|econterms]] <small>([[User talk:Econterms|talk]])</small> 21:06, 11 June 2021 (UTC) * I'm disappointed but not surprised by {{u|Harej}}'s posting. The English-language Wikipedia -- & many of the other language Wikipedias -- function acceptably well with only volunteer contributions; having a paid staff to tend to the servers is really the only requirement we have from the Foundation. Were the Foundation's activities be limited to only that, there would be little or no negative effect on Wikipedia, either short term or long. People would continue to contribute to it, people would continue to use it, & it would be about as reliable as any proprietary, for-profit encyclopedia. Not to say that we -- as well as every other project -- couldn't use more support, but that means a large share of the WMF staff are free to screw off or engage in petty office politics, because there are no metrics to show how their irresponsibility effects the projects. Here we are being shown that some are doing just that: making a living from our altruistic efforts without positively contributing. As I said, this is disappointing to read about. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 17:20, 16 June 2021 (UTC) * Thank you {{u|Harej}} for sharing your experience, and I'm sorry you went through this. I'll take this chance to thank you for your work that we still leverage on WikiProjects. Thank you {{u|Deskana}}, {{u|Anomie}}, and {{u|Adamw}} for sharing too. It is important for the community to know that this is a long-term pattern and not just an isolated problem. Best, [[User:MarioGom|MarioGom]] ([[User talk:MarioGom|talk]]) 22:21, 19 June 2021 (UTC) * Dear {{u|Harej}}: I have admired your work for a very long time. Your technical contributions are impressive, co-founding Wikimedia DC was visionary, and I know very well how much effort running Wikimania takes. I also think of your early days with the projects and our first meeting at Wikimania every time someone asks me about people who have spent a long time on Wikipedia. All that is to say is that your work is appreciated, and you should be proud of it. I am very sorry that this happened to you. I would like our movement and core institutions to be distinguished by remarkable kindness towards all of the people who work on our projects. It often is, but in the times when it is not we have failed each other. I will think about ways to fix this kind of failure systemically. -- [[user:phoebe|phoebe]] / <small>([[user_talk:phoebe|talk to me]])</small> 01:02, 23 June 2021 (UTC) * {{u|Harej}}, thank you for sharing your story. It is important that this is known, and it has also allowed others (e.g., [https://twitter.com/mkramer/status/1410220122430750723?s=19 1], [https://twitter.com/carolinesinders/status/1410222244127809545?s=19 2]) to speak up about their experience at the Foundation, including [https://twitter.com/marianarra_/status/1410312378068004866?s=19 myself]. I really enjoyed working with you, as your vision and skill for Wikimedia product was exemplary, and your dedication to the projects was remarkable. I always felt very proud when you were able to move to engineering because I knew that's what you wanted, and where you really belonged. It's painful to see that you went through all this suffering and you got all this unfair treatment. You deserve better and I hope you can find healing in the near future. Sometimes it feels like I still am. I send you my love, [[User:Macruzbar|Macruzbar]] ([[User talk:Macruzbar|talk]]) 14:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC) *{{u|Harej}}, I sent you a private response but I think it’s important to share my feelings here also, in public. You are a brilliant person. Hiring you was one of the smartest decisions I made as the CTO. I am furious learning that you were treated this way. I will not blame anyone else but I do blame myself for not knowing what happened and for not protecting you. It was my job to protect you and I did not. For this I am truly sorry. I will also say that passion, brilliance and excellence shine through. You are so much bigger than these bullies, whoever they happen to be. I hope you are healing. The movement cannot succeed without people like you. [[User:Audiohazel|Audiohazel]] ([[User talk:Audiohazel|talk]]) 01:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC) ===Media report=== [[OpIndia]] has published a – factual, as far as I can see – report on this. I cannot link to it, as the site is blacklisted. --[[User:Jayen466|Andreas]] <small>[[User_Talk:Jayen466|<span style="color: #FFBF00;">JN</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jayen466|466]]</small> 14:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC) :{{re|Jayen46}} Try using the webarchive to bypass it. --Regards, [[User talk:Jeromi Mikhael|Jeromi Mikhael]] 16:28, 11 July 2021 (UTC) {{abot}} == World Cities in the MOS or somewhere? == Hello. Sorry if this is an FAQ, stupid, etc. But ... I am pretty sure that I have seen somewhere a policy or guideline, perhaps in the MOS, that suggests that if you are writing about a well-enough-known city, such as [[Paris]], you do not need necessarily to specify that it is [[Paris, France]] as opposed to [[Paris, Texas]] or <nowiki>[[Paris, Wherever]]</nowiki>. Initial searches have not been a success. If this still exists, can you please point me to it? Thank you. Best to all, [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 08:52, 28 June 2021 (UTC) *[[WP:Naming conventions (geographic names)]] talks about this a bit, so perhaps that is what you were looking for? Note that our naming conventions are focused more on how we present place names in article ''titles'' than on how we present the place names in running text (in the body of an article we can often be somewhat flexible, due to provided context). Note the section on disambiguation, and also the section outlining our conventions in specific countries and areas. We are not always consistent… intentionally so. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 11:47, 28 June 2021 (UTC) **Thanks {{u|Blueboar}} for this, and I apologize for my slow reply. It ''is'' helpful, thank you. Nevertheless I am left with the weird feeling that I did somewhere{{snd}}perhaps long ago{{snd}}see somewhere where it said this quite specifically. As in, it gave examples of, say, [[Paris]] or [[Berlin]] or wherever and said clearly that it was not usually necessary to specify the country, because you could assume that people knew; plus it was only a click or hover away; and perhaps just that it looks and reads hideously, at least to some of us, if you say [[Berlin, Germany]] though I do know that others like it! <g> Or maybe some of that is just wishful thinking and/or my faulty memory. But thank you again for a useful pointer. If I do ever track this thing down I will come back here and mention it. With all good wishes [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 13:04, 2 July 2021 (UTC) :::[[MOS:OVERLINK]] sails close to it. - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 13:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC) :::: I think that [[WP:OHTHATPARIS]] may be the essay you are remembering, {{u|DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered}}. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:41, 3 July 2021 (UTC) ::::: Thank you {{u|X201}} and {{u|Michael D. Turnbull}} both ''very'' much. Both help and neither are quite what I "remember" seeing though that it no guarantee that it actually exists in the form I am thinking ... maybe actually it was just a discussion on someone's own Talk page rather than a policy and in the many years I have been here I have recrafted the memory into something different! But I must say how very much I enjoyed [[WP:OHTHATPARIS]] so that is a lovely bonus, thanks. And yes, both do help in the direction I am looking. I think the rest of it may just have to be left to editors' discussion and common sense ... ermmm ... if we can find any on Wikipedia! Cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 11:10, 4 July 2021 (UTC) *{{ping|DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered}} If you mean e.g. saying "Seattle" and not "Seattle, Washington" and likewise for about 30 large U.S. cities, it is found at [[WP:USPLACE]]. - [[User:Bri.public|Bri.public]] ([[User talk:Bri.public|talk]]) 21:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC) **Thanks {{u|Bri.public}} so much for the reply ... it was certainly something like that, but not ''quite'' that, and was specifically about usage in article text ... unless I hallucinated it! Cheers [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 17:52, 16 July 2021 (UTC) == USA Today going paywall == Per https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/07/business/usa-today-paywall.html, USA Today is going to put most of their content behind a paywall. Actually, based on what I can see, it's already happened. I suspect that means we're going to have a lot of inaccessible links in references. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 12:33, 7 July 2021 (UTC) : Thay are accesible for those who paid for content. News at Nytimes is also restricted to registered users. I think free accessible sources should be preffered in articles. We can use archived versions too. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|talk]]) 15:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC) ::Free accessible sources should be preferred ''only'' when the content can be cross-verified through reliable sources writ large. For example, if a fact is publicized by [[Buzzfeed]] and that fact is not circulated through [[New York Times]] or other reliable sources that happen to be paywalled, that does not mean we publish that fact. '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 23:20, 7 July 2021 (UTC) :per [[WP:PAYWALL]] this doesn't change the ability to use USA Today, just like the NYTimes is not diminished due to most of its current content being a paywall as well. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 05:22, 8 July 2021 (UTC) :I'd recommend archiving links to it when you can, websites like archive.is allow for paywalled content to be viewed. [[User:Paragon Deku|Paragon Deku]] ([[User talk:Paragon Deku|talk]]) 05:29, 8 July 2021 (UTC) ::A good number of "paywalls" are a simple CSS/JavaScript popup overlaid over the actual article content. It's possible to dismiss the popup with an extension like Bypass Paywalls ([https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome Chrome] [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bypass-paywalls-firefox/?utm_source=addons.mozilla.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=search Firefox]). Doesn't work for everything obviously, YMMV. -[[User talk:Fastily|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS';color:Indigo;font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-size:120%;">F</span><span style="font-size:90%;">ASTILY</span></span>]] 23:48, 8 July 2021 (UTC) == DeepL on Content Translation? == {{tracked|T86700}} Can we use DeepL on the Content Translation tool? If not, why not? [[User:Javiermes|Javiermes]] ([[User talk:Javiermes|talk]]) 14:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC) :{{ping|Javiermes}} see [[phab:T86700]] for some development efforts on that topic. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 18:51, 13 July 2021 (UTC) :: Thanks {{ping|Xaosflux}}!! [[User:Javiermes|Javiermes]] ([[User talk:Javiermes|talk]]) 21:48, 13 July 2021 (UTC) == Misplaced reference for Afghanistan War POWs == [[:Category:American_prisoners_of_war]] has what appears to be a good-faith reference added. But I don't think a reference belongs in a category page. At the same time I don't see any specific article where this would be appropriate to move the reference and am not sure what to do with it. [[United States military casualties in the War in Afghanistan]] exists, but a POW is not usually regarded as a casualty. - [[User:Bri.public|Bri.public]] ([[User talk:Bri.public|talk]]) 19:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC) == Wiki Loves Women South Asia 2021 == [[File:Wikiloveswomen logo.svg|right|frameless]] '''Wiki Loves Women South Asia''' is back with the 2021 edition. Join us to minify gender gaps and enrich Wikipedia with more diversity. Happening from 1 September - 30 September, [[:m:Wiki Loves Women South Asia 2021|Wiki Loves Women South Asia]] welcomes the articles created on gender gap theme. This year we will focus on women's empowerment and gender discrimination related topics. We warmly invite you to help organize or participate in the competition in your community. You can learn more about the scope and the prizes at the [[:m:Wiki Loves Women South Asia 2021|project page]]. Best wishes,<br> [[:m:Wiki Loves Women South Asia 2021|Wiki Loves Women Team]]<br>10:42, 14 July 2021 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:MdsShakil@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:MdsShakil/sandbox/2&oldid=21730887 --> == Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 2 == <section begin="ucoc-newsletter"/> <div style = "line-height: 1.2"> <span style="font-size:200%;">'''Universal Code of Conduct News'''</span><br> <span style="font-size:120%; color:#404040;">'''Issue 2, July 2021'''</span><span style="font-size:120%; float:right;">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Newsletter/2|'''Read the full newsletter''']]</span> ---- Welcome to the second issue of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct|Universal Code of Conduct]] News! This newsletter will help Wikimedians stay involved with the development of the new code and will distribute relevant news, research, and upcoming events related to the UCoC. 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([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Newsletter/2#Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review|continue reading]]) *'''Targets of Harassment Research''' - To support the drafting committee, the Wikimedia Foundation has conducted a research project focused on experiences of harassment on Wikimedia projects. ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Newsletter/2#Targets of Harassment Research|continue reading]]) *'''Functionaries’ Consultation''' - Since June, Functionaries from across the various wikis have been meeting to discuss what the future will look like in a global context with the UCoC. ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Newsletter/2#Functionaries’ Consultation|continue reading]]) *'''Roundtable Discussions''' - The UCoC facilitation team once again, hosted another roundtable discussion, this time for Korean-speaking community members and participants of other ESEAP projects to discuss the enforcement of the UCoC. ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Newsletter/2#Roundtable Discussions|continue reading]]) *'''Early Adoption of UCoC by Communities''' - Since its ratification by the Board in February 2021, situations whereby UCoC is being adopted and applied within the Wikimedia community has grown. ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Newsletter/2#Early Adoption of UCoC by Communities|continue reading]]) *'''New Timeline for the Interim Trust & Safety Case Review Committee''' - The CRC was originally expected to conclude by July 1. However, with the UCoC now expected to be in development until December, the timeline for the CRC has also changed. ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Newsletter/2#New Timeline for the Interim Trust & Safety Case Review Committee|continue reading]]) *'''Wikimania''' - The UCoC team is planning to hold a moderated discussion featuring representatives across the movement during Wikimania 2021. It also plans to have a presence at the conference’s Community Village. ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Newsletter/2#Wikimania Session|continue reading]]) *'''Diff blogs''' - Check out the most recent publications about the UCoC on Wikimedia Diff blog. ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Newsletter/2#Diff Blogs|continue reading]]) </div> === Invitation to [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Roundtable_discussions|round-table discussion 17 July 15:00 UTC]] === Hello again! Please see above and [[Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Newsletter/2|the full newsletter]] for updates about the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Project|Universal Code of Conduct project]]. The Movement Strategy and Governance facilitation team will be hosting '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Roundtable_discussions|round-table discussions]]''' for Wikimedians to talk together about the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct|Universal Code of Conduct]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Movement Charter|Movement Charter]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021|ongoing 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board Elections]], and other [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Movement Strategy|Movement Strategy]] initiatives. The next call is 17 July 2021 at 15:00 UTC. Conversations will be hosted in at least French, German, Spanish, and English. The calls will last between 90 and 120 minutes and involve open discussions. The ideas shared during the calls will be summarized for the Wikimedia Foundation teams working on these topics. We look forward to talking with you. Please see [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations/Roundtable discussions#Sign_up|further details and sign up here]]. Please let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Xeno (WMF)|Xeno (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Xeno (WMF)|talk]]) 17:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC) == RfC needing outside input (second time of asking) == See [[Talk:Prem Rawat#RfC regarding content concerning TimelessToday LLC and its app.]] [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) == Tags in Welsh == {{tracked|T286679}} Just noticed a tag in Welsh and English on my watchlist. "Tags: Golygu ar declyn symudol Golygiad gwe symudol Advanced mobile edit". Google translates the Welsh parts as "Edit on mobile tool‎‎ ‎‎Mobile web edit‎". Is this a new feature and why do we have it? Is Welsh now an official language of en-wiki? Will other random languages crop up? [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 20:34, 15 July 2021 (UTC) :Blimey. as if we need even more [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7702913.stm signposting]?! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:52, 15 July 2021 (UTC) As far as I can see all tags relating to mobile edits are either wholly in Welsh, or with an English bit at the end, as in my example above. Tags which are not about mobile edits are not affected. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 21:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC) ::{{ec}} Try reading Wikidata in "British English" – I don't know any Welsh, but stuff like Wicidestun, Wicidaith, Wicinewyddion and Wiciddyfynnu seems to have a Welsh ring to it. Switch to the language called "English" (actually American English) and those names go back to Wikivoyage and so on. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 21:17, 15 July 2021 (UTC) :::Compare these lists: :::*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Tags?uselang=en :::*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Tags?uselang=en-GB :::I've said it before: don't select "en-GB - British English" for your language preference. Use "en - English" unless you want something radically different, such as French, German or japanese. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC) ::::{{re|Redrose64}} I am well aware that en-wiki discriminates against unAmericans, but what has that got to do with the sudden appearance of Welsh? [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 21:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC) :::::{{replyto|Justlettersandnumbers|DuncanHill}} "en - English" is not American English; it's an internationalised form. The point of my post is to show where those Welsh phrases are coming from. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC) *It's been raised on Phabricator [[phab:T286679|here]]. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 21:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC) *Is this another “because we link to wikidata” problem? [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 22:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC) *:No. [[User:AntiCompositeNumber|AntiCompositeNumber]] ([[User talk:AntiCompositeNumber|talk]]) 01:31, 16 July 2021 (UTC) == Education in Guinea-Bissau is a super-stub == In the [[Guinea-Bissau]] article under education ([[Guinea-Bissau#Education]]) there is one paragraph with a link to the "main article". [[Education_in_Guinea-Bissau|But the main article is even shorter!]] It's existed since 2008 but should it just get deleted? Unless someone wants to translate the Portuguese version... [[User:Human-potato hybrid|Human-potato hybrid]] ([[User talk:Human-potato hybrid|talk]]) 05:19, 16 July 2021 (UTC) == Weekly Fundraising Banner Tests between July and November == Dear all, The Wikimedia Foundation will be running weekly fundraising banner tests on the English Wikipedia between now and the 24th of November (they will be visible every Wednesday for a few hours). We will be looking to see how our infrastructure (both human and machine alike) perform over a short period of time. Thank you to those in the communities who have supported us already and I'd like to thank you all in advance for your support and patience. We are always looking for ways to improve our campaigns and appreciate your feedback regarding banner messages and design. * If you have specific ideas to share, please feel invited to add them [[m:Fundraising/2019-20_Fundraising_ideas|to our fundraising ideas page]]. * If you need to report a bug or technical issue, please [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?template=118862 create a phabricator ticket] * If you see a donor on a talk page, OTRS or social media having difficulties in donating, please refer them to donate{{@}}wikimedia.org Best wishes, [[User:JBrungs (WMF)|JBrungs (WMF)]] ([[User talk:JBrungs (WMF)|talk]]) 12:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC) : Just a small update. We continue to run banner test for a few hours each week for non-logged in users, but from this week on the days might vary and you might see them on other days than Wednesdays. ~~~~ == EDM music on genre section == On [[Electronic dance music]], it doesn't say it's a genre. Neither me. It's not really a genre. But i always found it on some song articles. It sould be removed on genre section on every music-related article. We need to discuss this issue. -[[User:GogoLion|GogoLion]] ([[User talk:GogoLion|talk]]) 14:02, 21 July 2021 (UTC) :The linked article says that EDM is "is a broad range of percussive [[electronic music]] genres" and that it is "an umbrella term for multiple genres". Sometimes it's better to list the broad category rather than the specific genre. For example, if you have sources that say a song could be classified as house or techno, or that it transitions between the two, or that it blends the two, then it's often better to say "EDM" and explain the specific details afterwards. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 01:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC) == Clarifying small detail in an RfC == I've opened an RfC, and inside the reference section (beneath the actual references) I added notes about who the sources are. Three of the forty-two sources are notable scholars interviewed by mainstream media, but instead of noting the scholars I mistakenly noted the interviewers. Is there a problem in terms of Policy with making those clarifications a day later with an "(Updated <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>)" note? [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 18:19, 21 July 2021 (UTC) :Please don't make us guess. If you want us to help, you need to link to the location of that RfC. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC) :: Oh, you already commented [[Talk:Jan Żaryn#RfC: Jan Żaryn|there]]... [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 19:25, 21 July 2021 (UTC) :::First, I comment on lots of RfCs, I cannot be expected to remember who is involved in each one. Second, other people coming across this thread might not be aware of the Jan Żaryn RfC and will not be able to make the connection unless a link is supplied. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 20:18, 21 July 2021 (UTC) :There's no problem with any clarifications anywhere, as long as they are genuine clarifications, and clarify what was said originally and what was meant. Both should be clarified, and neither should be removed, particularly if there have been replies to the original wording. As long as you are open about everything there should be no problem. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 19:36, 21 July 2021 (UTC) :: Done. Thanks! [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 20:15, 21 July 2021 (UTC) == 2021 Board of Trustees election confirmed candidates and campaign events == [[File:Circle-icons-clock.svg|thumb|It’s time to meet the candidates!]] Hi everyone! The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021|2021 Board of Trustees election]] opens 4 August 2021. Candidates from the community were asked to submit their candidacy. After a three-week-long Call for Candidates, there are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Candidates#Candidate_Table|20 candidates for the 2021 election]]. The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees|Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees]] oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's operations. The Board wants to improve their competence and diversity as a team. They have shared the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Candidates#Skills|areas of expertise]] that they are hoping to find in new trustees. The Wikimedia movement has the opportunity to vote for the selection of community-and-affiliate trustees. The Board is expected to afterwards select the four most-voted candidates to serve as trustees, starting in September, for a term of three years. How can you get involved? '''Learn more about the candidates''' [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Candidates#Candidate%20Table|Candidates from across the movement have submitted their candidatures]]. Learn about each candidate to inform your vote. The community submitted questions for the candidates to answer during the campaign. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Candidates/CandidateQ&A|Candidates will answer the list of community questions]] collated by the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections committee|Elections Committee]] on Meta. In the coming weeks, candidates will have the opportunity to submit videos of themselves speaking about their candidacies. '''Participate in campaign activities''' The team of facilitators supporting this Board election has planned some activities for the campaign period. These activities can be found on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021#Campaign%20Activities|Board election page on Meta]]. Community members are encouraged to organize activities in their own communities. We do ask that any activities intended to involve candidates remain respectful of their time, since candidacy can be very time-consuming. Please list activities you organize on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021#Campaign%20Activities|Board election page on Meta]] so that more people can find them. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021#Team|Facilitators]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Election Volunteers|Election Volunteers]] are available if you need support. '''Vote''' Voting for the 2021 Board of Trustees election opens on 4 August 2021 and closes on 17 August 2021. The Elections Committee chose Single Transferable Vote for the voting system. Learn more about [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Voting|voting requirements]], the process, and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/FAQ|frequently asked questions about voting]]. '''Single Transferable Vote''' This voting system allows voters to rank candidates in order of preference. This helps voters share their preferences more clearly than simple support or oppose votes. If your top-choice candidate already has enough votes to be selected or will not win, your vote will be moved to your second-choice candidate. And so on. The facilitation team came up with [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/FAQ#New%20in%202021|a fun example]]. More information will be coming mid-July. Please spread the word so that more people can support finding the best candidates to help guide the Wikimedia Foundation and support the needs of the movement over the next few years. Best, [[User:JKoerner (WMF)|JKoerner (WMF)]] ([[User talk:JKoerner (WMF)|talk]]) 04:02, 16 July 2021 (UTC) === Upcoming opportunities to meet the Board candidates: 23 July, 28 July, 31 July, 1 August 2021 === Hey all, we have four meetings set with interpretation support based on the regional focus. Please sign up and ask questions in advance. Voting begins 4 August 2021. [[User:Xeno (WMF)|Xeno (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Xeno (WMF)|talk]]) 00:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC) * '''23 July''' at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1627059600 17:00 UTC]: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Meetings/Candidates meet with the African community|Candidates meet with the African & MENA communities]] * '''28 July''' at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1627491626 17:00 UTC]: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Meetings/Candidates meet with community July 28|Candidates meet with European communities July 28]] * '''31 July''' at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1627727400 10:30 UTC]: Candidates meet with the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Meetings/South Asia + ESEAP|South, East, Southeast Asian and Pacific communities]] * '''1 August''' at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1627776000 00:00 UTC]: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Meetings/Candidates meet with community August 1|Candidates meet with the community of the Americas August 1]] == Hello == {{Archive top|OP was directed to the correct venues for this. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 14:59, 23 July 2021 (UTC)}} Please update information about matches played in Uefa Conference League on 15 july. Thank you--[[Special:Contributions/109.185.175.84|109.185.175.84]] ([[User talk:109.185.175.84|talk]]) 11:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC) :You need to comment at [[Talk:UEFA Europa Conference League]]? Or maybe just update there yourself? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC) {{archive bottom}} == Slideshow of old versions of the Main_Page. == Hi, is there any way to see a slideshow of preceding Main_Pages? I recall a photo from one but can't find it. In a slideshow I might spot the picture and then view the page itself; then identify the photo. Thx, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 16:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC) :{{replyto|PeterEasthope}} I don't think there's an archive of the main page overall since it just transudes content from other places and isn't actually updated itself, but there are monthly archives for most of the individual sections. The featured pictures can be found at [[Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Archive]], the archives for the featured articles are listed at [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article]] and the archives for did you know are at [[Wikipedia:Recent additions]]. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 19:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC) :You could try the snapshots on the wayback machine site. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 00:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC) ::{{U|PeterEasthope}}, [[Wikipedia:Main Page history]] has a directory of daily main page snapshots of the last 10 years. This is probably the best way to find what you are looking for. [[User:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ]] ([[User talk:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ|talk]]) 03:36, 25 July 2021 (UTC) == Harv and Sfn no-target errors == [[:Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors]] contains, as I type this, 25,610 articles. Fewer than 30 editors watch the category. I think only about 150 editors use either [[User:Svick/HarvErrors.js]] or [[User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors.js]] which clearly mark such errors when viewing articles. Referencing errors such as these undermine the encyclopaedia. They place an unnecessary burden on readers who wish to look into a subject further, likewise they impede the efforts of editors to check that material is supported by the references we use. We have a bot that informs editors when they introduce links to disambiguation pages, and very helpful it is too. Would it be possible to have a bot or suchlike which does the same when an edit introduces a Harv or Sfn no-target error? This would help editors correct such slips as soon as they were made, when hopefully they have their sources to hand. I don't know how it would work - perhaps something in the tools I linked above could be adapted, or some method of monitoring the membership of the category could work. Anyway, I'm just throwing this out there for comments and suggestions. Pinging {{ping|Svick}} and {{ping|Trappist the monk}} as I mentioned their tools above. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 12:11, 25 July 2021 (UTC) :Perhaps [[WP:BOTREQ]] a better place to post this message? : :[[Module:Footnotes]] can create error messages for all to see but that error messaging is subject to false positives; see {{cl|Harv and Sfn template errors}} for an explanation of that. Were it up to me, I would restore the error messaging so that all editors can see that the problems are there rather than the select few who use the Svick or [[User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js|Ucucha]] scripts but, alas, when the messaging was initially enabled, the false positives (~10%?) provoked an 'oh-my-god-the-sky-is-falling' reaction so the messaging was hidden. : :Of course, showing the error messages may not result in a demonstrable decrease in the number of articles in the category. On 27 April 2021, we restored the {{error-small|multiple targets}} error messaging and, as I write this, {{cl|Harv and Sfn multiple-target errors}} list 2,201 articles ... :—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:54, 25 July 2021 (UTC) == Tracking copyright expiration of deleted files == On Commons there is for example [[:c:Category:Undelete in 2030]] for this, but locally we didn't seem to have anything for this. I created [[:Category:Future copyright expiration]] but did yolo it a bit and {{u|Verbcatcher}} [[Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2021 July 24#File:Lawrence Ogilvie, bust by neighbour Doris Flynn 1950s.jpg|has questions]]. It's a tad messy on Commons as well though. List, category, both. Suggestions to structure this are welcome. — <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]] or ping me) 06:49, 26 July 2021 (UTC) :Perhaps a crazy idea: Move the files to Commons, delete them there and categorize the request appropriately since a file undeleted on Commons can then be used here. But ask on Commons before doing this, I can imagine several objections to such a course of action. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]]) 12:42, 26 July 2021 (UTC) ::{{u|Jo-Jo Eumerus}}, seems like a reasonable idea, but I wouldn't be able to do anything about it since I'm indeffed. There are also several Wikipedians who dislike Commons, there is currently no Wikipedia policy to copy such files to Commons and we may upset the Commons community if we started doing that. For the short term, we should at least start tracking these files somewhere. — <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]] or ping me) 07:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC) == Highjacking of Wikipedia == I have loved Wikipedia for almost two decades. I have even donated more than I’ve been asked to. I have noticed in the last year that information on Wikipedia has been blatantly controlled by organizations that have a specific political agenda. It was confirmed to me by a nationally syndicated newspaper quoting one of the founding fathers of Wikipedia. In short let me use a quote that has been used throughout history- “Nihilne Sanctum Est?” “Is nothing sacred?” <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.57.243.65|99.57.243.65]] ([[User talk:99.57.243.65#top|talk]]) 23:07, 26 July 2021 (UTC)</small> : Would this quoted founding father have a name that rhymes with "Glarey Anger"? [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC) ::Would that be like a Hairy Mangler or even a Wary Strangler?? Lost me there, mate ... [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 23:40, 26 July 2021 (UTC) ::: There has been something of a script followed by IPs lately (or by one IP with access to many addresses), where the poster claims to have been a long-time Wikipedia donor who has just recently noticed a change in Wikipedia coverage of the >.5% of Wikipedia articles dealing with American politics, and who is therefore going to stop giving their precious funds to the project. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:49, 26 July 2021 (UTC) ::::We're in charge of content, not of the money. Donating money to WMF isn't leverage over our articles. Wikipedia is dominated by the left or by the right wing, depending upon who makes the call (China, Venezuela, etc., would say that Wikipedians are the lackeys of capitalism and liberal democracy). [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]]) 01:06, 27 July 2021 (UTC) :::::I'm a bit disappointed here tbh. I had rather hoped that my ''incredibly'' generous sponsorship of this poor and impoverished project over many years would have led by now to my having massive nay mahoosive influence. Are you telling me I can't dictate how it should write about cheese, or London buses?? Sheesh. Let-down much? [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 09:24, 27 July 2021 (UTC) ::::::Shall we forward your mail to [[Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells]]? '''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 12:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC) :::::::Definitely. Thank you, yes. I am very upset at having bought influence I can't use. Where's the personal gain in that? Sheesh! [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:35, 27 July 2021 (UTC) ::::::And as for your views on London buses, there are practical difficulties in adding a third deck, even if one deck is reserved for school children. It isn't just that overhanging trees would be too low, many bridges over London roads have been designed for double deckers to get underneath. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span>'' 14:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC) :::::::Then they need the same technology that the [[Knight Bus]] uses - it's a triple-decker that squeezes under low bridges. And through narrow gaps. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 16:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC) :You may find this article interesting: [[Wikipedia coverage of American politics]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 09:15, 27 July 2021 (UTC) ::Anyway, who cares what a right wing conspiracy theorist says? [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 09:20, 27 July 2021 (UTC) :::Other right wing conspiracy theorists? (And perhaps a few left wing conspiracy theorists) [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 12:48, 27 July 2021 (UTC) ::: I find [[Wikipedia coverage of American politics]] very interesting. I created that article. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC) ::We've been here before. Wikipedia is either too left-wing, or too right-wing, or too technocratic, or too anarchic, or.....[Continues, page 94] [[User:Doktorbuk|doktorb]] _{[[User talk:Doktorbuk|words]]}^{[[Special:Contributions/Doktorbuk|deeds]]} 09:35, 27 July 2021 (UTC) :::If we are upsetting ''everyone'' doesn't this mean we are getting it, roughly, right?? :) [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:35, 27 July 2021 (UTC) :::: That's the BBC argument (If everyone complains equally we are neutral), and I never bought it from them; two wrongs don't make a right! as a random made-up example, if the Republican Party article read like a party-political advertisement, it wouldn't be fixed by making the Democrat party read like one too! [[User:JeffUK|JeffUK]] ([[User talk:JeffUK|talk]]) 08:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC) :Without digging into the merits of [[Larry Sanger]] or his rather astonishing views on left-wing politics, let's be clear here: Wikipedia doesn't give a damn [[WP:YDOW|if you donate a dime]]. Do not expect withholding donations to have any impact.--'''[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]]'''-''<small>([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]])</small>'' 12:48, 27 July 2021 (UTC) ::Bother. [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 14:35, 27 July 2021 (UTC) == Call for Advisory Board members for Web2Cit == Hello everyone! [[meta:Grants:Project/Diegodlh/Web2Cit: Visual Editor for Citoid Web Translators| Web2Cit: Visual Editor for Citoid Web Translators]] project is moving! With [[User:Diegodlh|Diegodlh]] we are inviting people to apply to be an Advisory Board member. Is this you? Is this someone you know? Check the [[meta:Web2Cit/Advisory_Board/Call_for_members| Call for members]] and apply to be an Advisory Board member '''before August 6th!''' If you are too busy this time around to apply, don't worry: we get it. You can also help us by spreading the word! We sincerely appreciate it. --[[User:Scann|Scann]] ([[User talk:Scann|talk]]) 18:59, 28 July 2021 (UTC) == suitability of source? == I have a thorny issue over at the [[Karman Line]] article, somewhat like {{tl|Expert needed}} but for placement at the talk page instead of the article page itself. One of the suggested alternatives to placing that template was to ask here. Basically we have a scientific article where editors add as a source an article that basically denies the entire concept (that is the article subject). If you're interested (and ideally consider yourself a technical expert on the subject matter) have a look yourself: [[Talk:Kármán_line#The_Non_Kármán_Line:_An_Urban_Legend_of_the_Space_Age]] "As a more general question, if asking here isn't the best course of action, what do you recommend? The Expert Needed documentation suggests: If you want help for most of the page, or if you want help soon, then try these much more effective options: * Leave a note on the talk page of any relevant WikiProjects. * Submit the article for [[Wikipedia:Peer review]]. * Take questions to relevant content-related [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards]], such as the [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard]] for questions about whether sources are reliable for the statements they support. * Start a [[Wikipedia:Request for comment]]. * Ask for help at the [[Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)]]." The last one is really the only one I fully grok. Which would you prefer and how would you go about it? [[User:CapnZapp|CapnZapp]] ([[User talk:CapnZapp|talk]]) 11:49, 31 July 2021 (UTC) == Desktop Improvements update == === Intro === <div style="float:right;width:230px;margin-left:1em;margin-bottom:1em;border-style:solid;border-width:1px;padding:1em;"> '''Did you know?''' <div class="thumbcaption" style="font-size: 90%;"> According to our latest data, '''[[phab:T269664#7223935|88% of active editors]] of the 13 pilot wikis have decided to keep our improvements'''. </div></div> {{int:Hello}}, I wanted to give you an update about the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements|Desktop Improvements]] project. The Wikimedia Foundation Web team has been working on it since 2019. The goals of the project are to make the interface useful for advanced users and more comfortable for readers. The project consists of a series of feature improvements which make it easier to read and learn, navigate within the page, search, switch between languages, use article tabs and the user menu, and more. The improvements are already visible by default for readers and editors on 13 wikis, including Wikipedias in [[:fr:|French]], [[:pt:|Portuguese]], and [[:fa:|Persian]]. The changes apply to the [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}|useskin=vector}} Vector] skin only. [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}|useskin=monobook}} Monobook] or [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}|useskin=timeless}} Timeless] users are not affected. === Features deployed so far === <gallery mode="packed-hover" perrow="3"> Header Logo reconfiguration - commons pt - GIF.gif|[[Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Header|Reconfigured logo]] File:Collapsible sidebar - wikidata fr - GIF 2.gif|[[Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Collapsible sidebar|Collapsible sidebar]] File:Limit content width - wikiversity pt - GIF 2.gif|[[Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width|Limited content width]] File:DIP Search - Farsi.webm|[[Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Search|Moved and improved search]] File:DIP Language Switching - English.webm|[[Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Language switching|Exposed language button]] </gallery> So far, we have deployed the following [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features|features]]: * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Header|Reconfigured logo]] - which will allow us to make the header [[mw:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Sticky_Header|sticky]] (fixed at the top of the screen). The sticky header will include the search, article tabs, and the user menu. * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Collapsible_sidebar|Collapsible sidebar]] - which allows to focus on the content. On some wikis, this has been a gadget. * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Limiting_content_width|Limited content width]] in articles and similar pages (not special pages or other pages containing logs) - which makes reading and learning easier. For more details about this change, like what we would do with the empty space or how this relates to large tables, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop%20Improvements/Frequently%20asked%20questions#Why_is_the_width_of_the_content_limited?_Why_is_there_so_much_white_space? see our FAQ]. * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Search|Moved and improved search]] - which allows searching more quickly and effectively (provides pictures and descriptions of the search terms). * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Language_switching|Exposed language button]] - which helps to notice the interlanguage links and allows to switch between the languages more often. === How we collaborate with the communities === We do not have one final vision of the interface after the deployment of all changes. Instead, we measure the impact of each change individually. In addition to that, we learn about the communities' preferences using a variety of methods. You can find all major reports on our [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Repository|Repository page]]. * Prior to building any feature, we performed research with readers and editors. We identified the problems with usability, and based our decisions on the findings of this research ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Repository/Hureo_User_Research_Report|example]]). * We also perform user research on prototypes of our proposed changes to make sure they address the identified problems ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Repository/Sticky_Header_and_Table_of_Contents_User_Testing|example]]). * We have run two larger-scale prototype testing rounds ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Prototype_testing/Feedback|first]], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Second_prototype_testing/Feedback|second]]). In these, editors could gain an understanding of our ideas, and share what they appreciate or find confusing. * Shortly after the deployment of each change, we collect we collect data on how readers and editors use the changed functionality. Depending on the feature, we may divide users into two groups where only one can see the change. After the test, we compare the results and establish whether the changed interface works better. * Volunteers have shared feedback on talk pages. This has been taking place on the [[mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements|project talk page]], but also on the Village Pumps. * In 2019 at Wikimania, we had a [[wmania:2019:Growing_Wikimedia's_Readership/Updating_the_desktop_experience_for_Wikimedia|roundtable discussion]] ([[mw:File:Desktop_improvements,_Wikimania_2019_research_report.pdf|outcomes]]). We are planning to have a similar discussion this year as well. === How to enable the improvements === [[File:Desktop_Improvements_-_how_to_enable_globally.png|thumb|350x350px|[[Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|{{int:globalpreferences}}]]]] * It is possible to opt-in individually [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|in the appearance tab within the preferences]] by unchecking the "{{int:prefs-vector-enable-vector-1-label}}" box. (It has to be empty.) Also, it is possible to opt-in on all wikis using the [[Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|global preferences]]. * If you think this would be good as a default for all readers and editors of this wiki, feel free to start a conversation with the community and contact me. * On wikis where the changes are visible by default for all, logged-in users can always opt-out to the Legacy Vector. There is an easily accessible link in the sidebar of the new Vector. === Learn more and join our events === If you would like to follow the progress of our project, you can [[mw:Special:Newsletter/28/subscribe|subscribe to our newsletter]]. You can read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements|pages of the project]], check [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Frequently_asked_questions|our FAQ]], write on the [[mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements|project talk page]], and join an online meeting with us (August 6th, [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1628265633 16:00 UTC]). You will also be able to take part in our Wikimania discussion (we will share the details later). How to join our online meeting * Video call link: https://meet.google.com/awg-wvda-vka * Phone numbers: https://tel.meet/awg-wvda-vka?pin=4237305903221 {{int:Feedback-thanks-title}} On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Web team, [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 13:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC) == Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (Aug 2 - Sept 1, 2021) == Hello everyone, the call for candidates to draft a [[meta:Movement Charter|Movement Charter]] opens in a little under 8 hours from now. [[User:Xeno (WMF)|Xeno (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Xeno (WMF)|talk]]) 16:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC) :''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Announcement_2021_07_27|Read in other languages]]'' ---- Movement Strategy announces [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee|the Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee]]. The Call opens August 2, 2021 and closes September 1, 2021. The Committee is expected to represent [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Diversity_and_Expertise_Matrices|diversity in the Movement]]. Diversity includes gender, language, geography, and experience. This comprises participation in projects, affiliates, and the Wikimedia Foundation. English fluency is not required to become a member. If needed, translation and interpretation support is provided. Members will receive an allowance to offset participation costs. It is US$100 every two months. We are looking for people who have some of the following [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee#Role_Requirements|skills]]: * Know how to write collaboratively. (demonstrated experience is a plus) * Are ready to find compromises. * Focus on inclusion and diversity. * Have knowledge of community consultations. * Have intercultural communication experience. * Have governance or organization experience in non-profits or communities. * Have experience negotiating with different parties. The Committee is expected to start with 15 people. If there are 20 or more candidates, a mixed election and selection process will happen. If there are 19 or fewer candidates, then the process of selection without election takes place. Will you help move Wikimedia forward in this important role? Submit your candidacy [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee#Candidate_Statements|here]]. Please contact strategy2030{{@}}wikimedia.org with questions. == Delay of the 2021 Board of Trustees election == Hello, I've posted previously to this board about the upcoming Board of Trustees election. There has been a delay in the voting period, which is now scheduled to begin 18 August 2021. Please see more details below. [[User:Xeno (WMF)|Xeno (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Xeno (WMF)|talk]]) 23:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC) :''[[:m:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/2021-08-02/Delay of the 2021 Board of Trustees election|Read in other languages]]'' ---- We are reaching out to you today regarding the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021|2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election]]. This election was due to open on August 4th. Due to some technical issues with SecurePoll, the election must be delayed by two weeks. This means we plan to launch the election on August 18th, which is the day after Wikimania concludes. For information on the technical issues, you can see the [[phab:T287859|Phabricator ticket]]. We are truly sorry for this delay and hope that we will get back on schedule on August 18th. We are in touch with the Elections Committee and the candidates to coordinate next steps. We will update the [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021|Board election Talk page]] and [https://t.me/wmboardgovernancechat Telegram channel] as we know more. == Centenary & Tricentenary == [[Centenary]] & [[Tricentenary]] redirect to different pages......... [[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 00:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC) :{{replyto|0mtwb9gd5wx}} Is that a problem? If you think so, send the incorrect one to [[WP:RFD]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 12:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC) :::{{replyto|Redrose64}} Perhaps, as a quick-fix, both [[Centennial]] and [[Anniversary]] should have hatnotes to each other? Like [[mauve]] and [[umami]], [[Bicentennial]] is a product description, by a business. Prior to the 1976 Bicentennial Commission for the anniversary of the USA founding, the USA government used the word '''centenary''' in its publications. I propose that [[Centennial]], [[Bicentennial]], [[Tricentennial]], [[Quadricentennial]]... [[etc.]], and [[Centenary]] [[Bicentenary]] [[Tricentenary]] [[Quadricentenary]]... [[etc.]] content be merged to, and ''name'' redirected to, [[Anniversary]]. [[WP:RFD]] started. .... [[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 02:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC) == Web application for explaining the automatic article quality grading (with ORES) of English Wikipedia articles == Hello Everyone! I am working on a web application for my bachelor thesis, that aims to explain the automatic grade predictions of [[ORES]] [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ORES#Article_quality articlequality model] and on what they are based on, to make it more transparent what an article might be lacking or what makes it so good. For a last evaluation, I am searching for participants for an usability test to test a functional prototype. It would be especially interesting to test the application with (new) editors of the English Wikipedia, because my main goal is to help editors improving their editing skills. If someone is interested in participation, feel free to contact me in any way. Any Questions about it are also welcome. ==== Background Information ==== Articles on Wikipedia are rated and receive a grade. The English Wikipedia uses ORES, a machine learning web service created by the Wikimedia Foundation’s Machine Learning team. ORES offers a variety of machine learning models and one of them is the article quality model. This model assesses existing articles automatically and predicts the most likely grade for them based on their structural characteristics. <ref>https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ORES</ref> ==== Update ==== If someone is still interested in testing, here is a link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScVm0c5ezw18KRNf4UxbaKchOVwkMDIUGUQDuk8OvleEcunEg/viewform?usp=sf_link --[[User:Endoplasma|Endoplasma]] ([[User talk:Endoplasma|talk]]) 13:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC) :Pinging [[User:Nettrom|Nettrom]] and [[User:EpochFail|EpochFail]]. [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 18:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC) <references /> :[[User:Endoplasma|Endoplasma]], maybe it would be helpful if you could directly link to the tool so that people can have a look at it? Alternatively, you could take a screenshot that shows the relevant functionality. : If you are planning to do a proper study (interviewing people, writing up results, etc.), consider creating a project page on Meta. See [[:m:R:New project]]. That page will help you set up something that you can share as a reference for the project and that we'll be able to use to track your activities/progress. --[[User:EpochFail|<span style="display:inline-block;padding:0 .25em;border-bottom:2px solid #008;background: #f6f6f6;" title="aka halfak">EpochFail</span>]] ([[User_talk:EpochFail|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/EpochFail|contribs]]) 19:36, 9 August 2021 (UTC) == New Wikipedia Library collections and design update (August 2021) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Hello Wikimedians! [[File:Wikipedia_Library_owl.svg|thumb|upright|The TWL OWL says log in today!]] [https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/users/my_library/ The Wikipedia Library] is pleased to announce the addition of new collections, alongside a new interface design. New collections include: * '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/107/ Cabells]''' – Scholarly and predatory journal database * '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/108/ Taaghche]''' - Persian language e-books * '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/112/ Merkur]''', '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/111/ Musik & Ästhetik]''', and '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/110/ Psychologie, Psychotherapie, Psychoanalyse]''' - German language magazines and journals published by Klett-Cotta * '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/117/ Art Archiv]''', '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/113/ Capital]''', '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/115/ Geo]''', '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/116/ Geo Epoche]''', and '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/114/ Stern]''' - German language newspapers and magazines published by Gruner + Jahr Additionally, '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/105/ De Gruyter]''' and '''[https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/106/ Nomos]''' have been centralised from their previous on-wiki signup location on the German Wikipedia. Many other collections are freely available by simply logging in to [https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/ The Wikipedia Library] with your Wikimedia login! We are also excited to announce that the first version of a new design for My Library was deployed this week. We will be iterating on this design with more features over the coming weeks. Read more on the [[:m:Library Card platform/Design improvements|project page on Meta]]. Lastly, an Echo notification will begin rolling out soon to notify eligible editors about the library ([[Phab:T132084|T132084]]). If you can translate the notification please do so [https://translatewiki.net/enwiki/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-thewikipedialibrary at TranslateWiki]! --The Wikipedia Library Team, sent by [[User:Samwalton9|Samwalton9]] 13:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC) :<small>This message was delivered via the [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MassMessage#Global_message_delivery Global Mass Message] tool to [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikipedia_Library The Wikipedia Library Global Delivery List].</small> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Samwalton9@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikipedia_Library&oldid=21851699 --> == is there a place to keep track of copyright permission requests? == Is there any sort of archive that keeps track of copyright permission requests? [[c:Commons:WikiProject Permission requests]] only shows a handful of entries. This suggests either 1) people don't really bother to ask authors for a release of rights or 2) most of those requests are not publicly recorded. If someone else has requested permission to publish a work under a free license and was denied, then it would be useful for others to know so that they don't waste time trying to contact the same author. [[User:Ixfd64|Ixfd64]] ([[User talk:Ixfd64|talk]]) 21:00, 12 August 2021 (UTC) == Publicising peer review discussion == [[Turkuvaz Media Group|This article]] had press coverage; for this reason, I think [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Turkuvaz Media Group/archive1|this peer review about it]] requires attention. Thank you.--[[User:Visnelma|V. E.]] ([[User talk:Visnelma|talk]]) 11:51, 13 August 2021 (UTC) == Kamarinskaïa - The Grand Budapest Hotel == Hi, Sorry if I'm writing in the wrong heading (sysop on the french WP). Do you know where I can find the score of ''Kamarinskaïa'' that we may hear in the ''The Grand Budapest Hotel'' ? [[User:OT38|OT38]] ([[User talk:OT38|talk]]) 21:10, 14 August 2021 (UTC) :I was going to point you to the ref desk but I see you have found it at [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment#Kamarinskaïa - The Grand Budapest Hotel]]. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 23:16, 14 August 2021 (UTC)'