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It wasn't like that from 2006 to 2009, many images were uploaded at that time period. Is there a reason why the image uploads declined after that period of time? [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 21:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC) :Possibly because images to suit many purposes have already been uploaded, making new ones unnecessary? [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 21:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC) ::Okay but, why can't we upload new images that replace the old ones? [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 21:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC) :::There is nothing preventing appropriate and policy-compliant images from being uploaded. As to when it is appropriate to replace an existing image with a new one, that will depend on the specifics: newer isn't necessarily better. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 21:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC) ::::What is the criteria that determines if an existing image should be replaced with a newer and less outdated version? [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 22:00, 25 August 2024 (UTC) :::::If someone finds it worth uploading in each particular instance? I have very little clue what sort of general rule you'd expect there to be. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">[[User:Remsense|<span style="color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>[[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="color:#fff">'''论'''</span>]]</span> 22:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC) ::::::Thank you for the response. But how can contributors decide if a new image is worth uploading for a specific article? [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 22:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC) :::::::There is no general answer to this line of questioning. Improved media are uploaded if editors discover or create them; what constitutes an improvement depends entirely on the media in question. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">[[User:Remsense|<span style="color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>[[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="color:#fff">'''论'''</span>]]</span> 22:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC) :@[[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]], what do you mean by "less images being uploaded today"? :Do you mean specifically what's being uploaded today, as in Sunday, the 25th of August? (If so, please go to [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]] and sound the alarm, because a sudden downturn is probably technical in nature.) Or do you mean "in recent years"? :How much less? Is this like a long-term leveling off? Are you talking about uploads directly to the English Wikipedia, or at Commons? How are you counting the number of uploads? [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC) ::I meant "in recent years". [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 22:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC) :::We have made efforts to direct uploaders Wikimedia Commons whenever appropriate, so having less uploads '''here''' could be a good thing. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 22:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC) ::I'm talking about image uploads on Wikimedia Commons. [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 22:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC) :::Are you thinking about any images in particular? Again, we can't really answer your question because it's way too broad. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">[[User:Remsense|<span style="color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>[[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="color:#fff">'''论'''</span>]]</span> 22:38, 25 August 2024 (UTC) ::::I'm just asking about the trend of fewer image uploads in the recent years, but I understand if it's too broad. I was wondering if there are any topics where image uploads have noticeably declined. [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 22:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC) :::::How do you know that there are fewer uploads? What page or tool are you using to determine the number of uploads? [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 22:56, 25 August 2024 (UTC) ::::::I didn't actually use a tool. I just noticed that most images were made around that time period by just analyzing the date of random images. [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 22:59, 25 August 2024 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]], I suggest looking at [[c:Commons:Statistics of uploads vs deletions]], which gives the number of annual uploads from 2003 through 2022, and which does not support your hypothesis that there has been a multi-year decline in uploads. :::::::If you know anything about [[SQL]], you can run queries like this and get whatever numbers you want. I use the "check 10 pages in [[Special:Random]]" method a lot, but you've got to remember that it's really quite a crude estimate, and if your random images weren't actually random (e.g., they were images used in Wikipedia articles), then you'd be looking at a crude estimate of a biased sample, which is basically worthless. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 23:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC) ::::::::Okay thanks, I just realized that there are actually more uploads on the recent years then I expected. [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 23:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC) ::::::::That's way more useful data than what I found just below. So uploads to Commons have risen steadily if non-monotonically, and there is no year for which the number of files uploaded was less than <del>any</del> {{ins|all}} of the three previous years. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 23:19, 25 August 2024 (UTC) {{small|{{ins|edited 10:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)}}}} ::::::::This wouldn't account for which images are actually being used in articles (plenty of Commons images aren't), but I'd be very surprised if those are mostly pre-2009. ― <kbd style="font-size:85%">[[User:Mir Novov|<b style="color:#270;rotate:-2deg;display:inline-block">novov</b>]] [[User talk:Mir Novov|<span style="color:#790">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Mir Novov|<span style="color:#790">c)</span>]]</kbd> 10:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC) :::::::::I think most of them are pre-2009, I'm not entirely sure though. [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 11:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC) ::::::::::What do you base that on? The number of articles in the English Wikipedia has more than doubled since 2009 (3,144,000 on 1 Jan 2010, 6,764,355 on 1 Jan 2024), and images in older articles are often replaced, so I suspect a large majority of images in articles have been added since 2009. For your claim to be valid, editors would have had to be preferencially using images uploaded before 2009 to add to articles. However, an analysis of the upload dates of a large enough sample of images currently in use in articles would be needed to support your claim. Frankly, I don't think that is worth pursuing, as I don't see its relevance to building a quality encyclopedia. [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 13:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC) :::::::::::@[[User:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] Thank you for pointing that out. I guess I was mistaken about the upload dates of the images. [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 14:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC) :::::As one potentially interesting pair of datapoints, I see that [[:c:Commons:Database reports/Page count by namespace]] (current as of June 2014, almost exactly a decade ago) shows 22,097,492 pages in the {{code|File:}} namespace, of which fewer than 2% were redirects. Executing the [[:mw:Help:Magic words|Magic word]] {{code|1={{((}}NUMBEROFFILES{{))}}}} on Commons today returns 107,994,945. So there have been some uploads. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 22:59, 25 August 2024 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] Thanks for sharing that data, that means I might have underestimated the number of uploads. [[User:MJGTMKME123|MJGTMKME123]] ([[User talk:MJGTMKME123|talk]]) 23:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC) :On a related point, please consider looking through the popular articles for a favorite subject area – most WikiProjects have a page like [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Popular pages]] – and seeing what new images could/should be added. Not having an adequate number of images in each article is a constant complaint from readers, and it even has benefits beyond the obvious value of the image itself (e.g., helping people with dyslexia keep their eyes on the right part of the article). [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 17:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC) : Another source for images (which I suspect has been under utilized) are family photos. For example, over his lifetime my Dad took approximately 4,000 photos which are in slide format. While some will be of little interest to Wikimedia in general -- I doubt anyone is eager to see photos of llywrch's first birthday -- there are a number of images that I know will be of interest, such as photos of his business trips to Sudan & Nigeria, photos Oregon from as far back as 1960, & so forth. (I have some of a railway train that ran between Banks & Vernonia back in the 1960s that no longer exists. The trackway has since then been converted to the [[Banks–Vernonia State Trail]]. I've already uploaded a few of these to Commons. I'd be far more along with sharing these on Commons except that for many I'm missing information. For example, he visited an agricultural station in a town in Western Sudan -- for which I'd be surprised if we had ''any'' photos -- however I don't remember/know the name of that town.{{pb}}I expect there are countless Wikipedians with older family members who were hobbyist photographers, so this is a resource begging to be exploited. 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I seek to bring about change and reinforcement to the Board in the following areas: # Bring more diversity into the Board # Build a Charter # Combat misinformation/disinformation # Focus on human rights For more about my candidacy, I invite you to visit my [[:m:User:Fjmustak#Candidacy_for_Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees|user page]] (including my answers to the community questions) as well as my [[:m:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2024/Candidates/Farah Jack Mustaklem|candidate page]]. The short video to the right is a brief summary of my Board candidacy. If you feel passionately about any of the issues outlined above, I urge you to consider voting for me and to spread the word. Please feel free to reach out to learn more or share your concerns. --[[User:Fjmustak|Fjmustak]] ([[User talk:Fjmustak|talk]]) 10:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC) == "In the news" section on the homepage? == Seems to be a primary spot for the site, but not updated very much. Is someone overseeing this section or is there some reason it doesn't get refreshed regularly? [[Special:Contributions/2600:6C4A:4E7F:8D9D:6519:3F9A:34BF:6983|2600:6C4A:4E7F:8D9D:6519:3F9A:34BF:6983]] ([[User talk:2600:6C4A:4E7F:8D9D:6519:3F9A:34BF:6983|talk]]) 11:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC) :There's a reasonably sized subcommunity who decide which news stories are linked at "In the news". The conversations are held at [[WP:ITN/C]]. You should be able to participate without an account, assuming some knowledge of Wikipedia policy. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 11:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC) ::In my experience, knowledge of policy is not a prerequisite and in fact conflicts with common practice. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 21:21, 28 August 2024 (UTC) :I think you have a common misunderstanding of what this section actually is. It is not meant to be a continuously updated news ticker, it is a way of showcasing articles that have been updated to reflect recent events. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC) :We don't updated ITN particularly quickly compared to a normal news website. I think the normal cadence is a new news item in the ITN box every few days. And there's only around 4 bullets so not that many total news items either. I'm not sure the reasoning for this... maybe limited space, and the editor time it would take to do more voluminous or more frequent updates? –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 14:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC) == The dubious template == What should be done to overhaul the {{tl|dubious}} template? Literally every time I've seen it on an article, there is zero discussion on the talk page about what may be dubious in the article. I discussed this [[Template_talk:Dubious#"Discuss"|on the talk page]] a while back, but the discussion just went around in circles and fizzled out. Should a drive be done to remove drive-by instances of this tag where no discernible discussion exists? <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • ^{([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])} 19:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC) :I see that you have asked this exact same question at three different locations (here, and at the WP:V and WP:RS talk pages). That is not helpful, as the discussions may end up working at cross purposes. Please choose '''one''' location for us to discuss this, and close the other threads. Thanks. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 20:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC) ::I think of the "– discuss" as an invitation, rather than a requirement. Start a discussion if ''you'' want one. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 16:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC) :The position taken by {{u|Jason Quinn}} (pinging) in the discussion you linked, especially {{tq|So rather than a red link for "discuss" appearing if the parameter is not used, the "discuss" link should only appear if it is used}} and emphasis on the tag as a marker of dubious content seems rather reasonable. [[User:Ifly6|Ifly6]] ([[User talk:Ifly6|talk]]) 16:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC) :Nothing, users should at least fill out the reason =, and if that's not sufficiently obvious, start a discussion on talk like one would for any other tag. If not, some enterprising soul will likely revert the tag.[[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 16:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC) ::I think sometimes the <code>|reason=</code> is obvious enough that it doesn't need to be explained, too. I think that sometimes {{tl|dubious}} gets used when the material really ought to have been removed instead, but the editor doesn't feel like it's okay to do that. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 17:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC) :::I thought after reading your first sentence, "if it's that obvious then surely the dubious claim should be removed", but then I read and agreed with your second sentence. Too many people are too diffident about removing things. I must say that I think I have used this template a few times, but, as far as I can remember, I have always started a discussion. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 19:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC) :::Agree with this too. Re {{tq|Should a drive be done to remove drive-by instances of this tag where no discernible discussion exists?}} – I don't think there's much of a need to remove dubious without parameters. There are a lot of cases where editors are fearful of stepping on others' toes by just removing it. [[User:Ifly6|Ifly6]] ([[User talk:Ifly6|talk]]) 22:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC) ::::The {{tl|POV}} templates generally require an active discussion. It's one of our defenses against using then as a [[badge of shame]], since we've had problems with people adding that template as a sort of public protest for not getting their way. I've occasionally cleaned out some old undiscussed ones, but even in an anti-tag-bombing mood, there have been a few never-discussed tags that I thought were very obviously deserved. I expect that some of the {{tl|dubious}} tags are the same: there's no discussion, but you don't need an explanation to know why that's doubted. ::::There are only ~7K articles with this tag. There are [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=articletopic%3Abiography+hastemplate%3ADubious&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22fields%22%3A%7B%22hastemplate%22%3A%5B%22Dubious%22%5D%7D%7D&ns0=1 1200 biographies], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=articletopic%3Astem+hastemplate%3ADubious&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22fields%22%3A%7B%22hastemplate%22%3A%5B%22Dubious%22%5D%7D%7D&ns0=1 1600 STEM] articles (including [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=articletopic%3Amedicine-and-health+hastemplate%3ADubious&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22fields%22%3A%7B%22hastemplate%22%3A%5B%22Dubious%22%5D%7D%7D&ns0=1 12 medicine/health] articles), [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=articletopic%3Aasia+hastemplate%3ADubious&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22fields%22%3A%7B%22hastemplate%22%3A%5B%22Dubious%22%5D%7D%7D&ns0=1 1200 about Asia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=articletopic%3Aeurope+hastemplate%3ADubious&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22fields%22%3A%7B%22hastemplate%22%3A%5B%22Dubious%22%5D%7D%7D&ns0=1 1300 about Europe], etc. We can get search results for [[mw:ORES/Articletopic#Taxonomy|any subject named here]], if you happen to have an interest area or favorite WikiProject in mind. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 22:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC) == Suggested edits tool - Dysfunctional == I decided to use the edit suggestion tool and focus on adding missing references on women's biographies, but the edit suggestion tool presents me with pages that have nothing to do with the topic even tho I only ticked "Biography (women)" and "Find references (sources for existing articles)" The tool suggests biographies of men. Example : [[Jeff Schweitzer]] The tool suggests topics related to women, but not biographies. Example : [[A Caress of Twilight|A caress of twilight]] / [[2011 Malaysian Open|2011 Malaysian open]] And these erroneous suggestions are not rare; I see one every 2-3-4 suggestions. I wasn't sure where to post it, sorry if it's the wrong place. [[User:ProudWatermelon|ProudWatermelon]] ([[User talk:ProudWatermelon|talk]]) 22:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC) :I'm able to replicate. I'm not sure if suggestions such as [[1999 Toray Pan Pacific Open – Singles]] and [[2015 ITF Women's Circuit (January–March)]] are genuinely false positives or just a matter of the {{code|articletopic}} display name needing some modification, but [[Francis Erdmann, Duke of Saxe-Lauenburg]], [[Palakuan]], and [[Visual Focus Depth Art]] certainly seem erroneous.{{pb}}The LiftWing model probably needs some parameters tweaked. Anyone up for creating a phab task with {{code|Machine-Learning-Team}} tagged? [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 00:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC) ::Pinging @[[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 03:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC) ::After a brief sleep, I realised anyone can see this behaviour without going through the full Suggested Edits endpoint with a simple [[:mw:Help:CirrusSearch/articletopic|{{code|articletopic:women}}]] search like [https://w.wiki/B3WD this one.] [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 10:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC) :::Have you observed similar issues with other topics? [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 29 August 2024 (UTC) ::I edited [[David A. Louton]] yesterday, and it's no longer appearing in <code>articletopic:women</code> search results. I suspect that in some cases, especially when the page is short, the software makes the wrong guess about the subject. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 16:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC) == Template:Permanent dead link == <nowiki>{{</nowiki>{{no redirect|Template:Permanent dead link|Permanent dead link}}<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, currently a redirect to {{tl|Dead link}}, needs to be modified so that it transcludes {{tl|Dead link}} with the <code><nowiki>|fix-attempted=yes</nowiki></code> template parameter already specified. Because ''then'' it would be a convenient shortcut to transcluding that template with that parameter, as right now it's a deceptive and rather useless redirect which doesn't do that. How can this be accomplished? P.s. I took a look at an existing template that does a similar thing, {{tl|Edit semi-protected}}, but it uses code that invokes a module in the Module: namespace, which this 'Dead link' template doesn't have. —&nbsp;[[User:AP 499D25|<span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP&nbsp;499D25</span>]] [[User talk:AP 499D25|<span style="color:#1A527D">(talk)</span>]] 11:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC) :While I was writing this, I just thought of block notice templates like {{tl|Uw-blocknotalk}}. However, I don't have a strong knowledge of template code, and so I don't know what a "safesubst:" is. I'm not sure if the includeonly and safesubst bits would be necessary in this 'Permanent dead link' template conversion, especially since it isn't going to be substituted when being used. :'''Update''': using the code from the blocking templates as said above, I wrote [[Special:PermaLink/1242911547]] in [[Template:X1]] sandbox, and tested out transcluding it in another sandbox, comparing it to a plain old transclusion of 'Dead link' with the parameter manually specified. All looks identical and normal to me. So can someone confirm with me that the code is all valid? —&nbsp;[[User:AP 499D25|<span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP&nbsp;499D25</span>]] [[User talk:AP 499D25|<span style="color:#1A527D">(talk)</span>]] 12:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC) <small>updated 12:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</small> ::You might want to ask on [[WP:VPT]], the editors watching that page will be better able to help you. -- <small>LCU</small> '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small>]]''' <small>''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°''</small> 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC) ::[[User:AP 499D25|AP 499D25]], looks good to me. The safesubst: is necessary for allowing it to be both transcluded and subst:ed. {{para|bot}} is probably unnecessary, because bots should be using the normal template directly.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1725009669402:WikipediaFTTCLNVillage_pump_(miscellaneous)" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 09:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</span> :::Alright thanks! I'll be going ahead with publishing the redirect to template conversion now, and per your suggestion I'll take out the 'bot' parameter bit. —&nbsp;[[User:AP 499D25|<span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP&nbsp;499D25</span>]] [[User talk:AP 499D25|<span style="color:#1A527D">(talk)</span>]] 11:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC) == ?`&nbsp;for each symbol of string&nbsp;` template&nbsp;? == does such a template exist and/or is there some other way to achieve the effect of calling a template with the every symbol of a given string as the argument<br> also i apologize if this is the incorrect place to ask- if so please point me to the correct one so that i can ask any further questions about templates there<br> thanks in advance&emsp;[[user:akizet|&#8203;]]<span style='background: #fff; font-family: monospace;'>[[user:akizet|<span style='color: #000; text-decoration: inherit; padding: 0 .25em; margin-left: .5em; border: .25em double; border-top-left-radius: 1em; border-left-color: #0ff; box-shadow: -.5em 0 .5em #0ff;'>akizet</span>]]&nbsp;[[user talk:akizet|<span style='background: #fff; color: #000; text-decoration: inherit; padding: 0 .25em; border: .25em double; border-bottom: #ff0 ridge; border-radius: 1em;'>talk</span>]]</span> 20:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC) :[[WP:VPT]] is probably the correct place to ask. I don't understand your question though. An example might help. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 22:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC) ::<small>not moving the discussion as it would result in the same question beïng in two places which seems undesirable<br></small>what i meant was a {{tlx|for loop}}-like template such that e.g <code>{{((}}{{gray|template name}}{{!}}[[template:key press|key press]]{{!}}abc{{))}}</code> results in `&nbsp;{{key press|a}}{{key press|b}}{{key press|c}}&nbsp;`<br> ::howëver [[rubber duck debugging|i have since reälized]] i might not need it for what i'm doïng after all&nbsp;·&nbsp;still would be helpful though<br> ::[[user:akizet|&#8203;]]<span style='background: #fff; font-family: monospace;'>[[user:akizet|<span style='color: #000; text-decoration: inherit; padding: 0 .25em; margin-left: .5em; border: .25em double; border-top-left-radius: 1em; border-left-color: #0ff; box-shadow: -.5em 0 .5em #0ff;'>akizet</span>]]&nbsp;[[user talk:akizet|<span style='background: #fff; color: #000; text-decoration: inherit; padding: 0 .25em; border: .25em double; border-bottom: #ff0 ridge; border-radius: 1em;'>talk</span>]]</span> 08:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC) == 6ttiuwu2 == 5zr56zzuu ~~~~'