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'{{talkheader}} {{ArticleHistory | action1 = GAN | action1date = March 21, 2007 | action1link = Talk:World_Trade_Center/Archive_2 | action1result = failed | action1oldid = 116627004 | action2 = GAR | action2date = December 1, 2008 | action2link = Talk:World Trade Center/GA1 | action2result = listed | action2oldid = 255173259 | currentstatus = GA | itndate = | dykdate = | maindate = | topic = Arts | small = }} {{WikiProjectBannerShell|1= {{WikiProject September 11|class=GA|importance=top}} {{WikiProject Architecture|importance=high|class=GA}} {{WikiProject New York City|importance=top|class=GA}} {{WikiProject New York|class=GA|importance=Mid}} {{Skyscrapers|class=GA|importance=top}} {{WikiProject Terrorism|class=GA|importance=top}} }} {{Archive box|index=/Archive index| ---- # [[Talk:World Trade Center/Archive 1|2005–2006]]<br> # [[Talk:World Trade Center/Archive 2|2007– ]]}} {{User:MiszaBot/config |archiveheader = {{talkarchivenav|noredlinks=y}} |maxarchivesize = 100K |counter = 3 |minthreadsleft = 5 |algo = old(90d) |archive = Talk:World Trade Center/Archive %(counter)d }} {{Auto archiving notice |bot=MiszaBot I |age=90 |small=yes |dounreplied=yes}} {{User:HBC Archive Indexerbot/OptIn |target=/Archive index |mask=/Archive <#> |leading_zeros=0 |indexhere=yes}} == Shouldn't the second complex on the site to bear the name get more attention than it has? == I noticed the article is primarily about the old WTC rather than the one currently being built. Shouldn't we give some more weight to the new? While the old was likely more (in)famous, the new is also of interest. &mdash; [[User:Rickyrab|Rickyrab]] | [[User talk:Rickyrab|Talk]] 03:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC) :The article is about the original Towers, not the new one under construction. [[User:TySoltaur|TySoltaur]] ([[User talk:TySoltaur|talk]]) 22:53, 2 July 2011 (UTC) ::The article is entitled [[World Trade Center]] so in the future it could well point to the new complex, that's a discussion for the next few years. At the moment it should stay where it is but this article may need to be moved in the future. [[User:Zarcadia|Zarcadia]] ([[User talk:Zarcadia|talk]]) 17:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC) :::Speaking about this question, how in the world are we going to differentiate between WTC 1 and WTC 2? They're BOTH going to be called "World Trade Center", so what should distinguish between the 2? Is it going to be WTC 1 and WTC 2? Since the terrorists won with the fact that Twin Towers=World Trade Center will no longer be the case, is it viable that "Twin Towers" be one of the routes for WTC 1?--[[Special:Contributions/75.0.33.216|75.0.33.216]] ([[User talk:75.0.33.216|talk]]) 06:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC) ::::World Trade Center was used even there was SEVEN buildings in all. Tower 1, Tower 2, Tower 3, Buildings 4 5 6 and 7. Twin Towers was just for Towers 1 (North Tower) and Tower 2 (South Tower). [[User:TySoltaur|TySoltaur]] ([[User talk:TySoltaur|talk]]) 16:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC) == Spider-Man == I [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=World_Trade_Center&diff=440577904&oldid=440567116 added a couple pics] of Spider-Man with the trade towers but after the edit was made they do not display on the page and I can't figure out why. Anyone know? [[User:AwesomeCoffee|AweCo]] ([[User talk:AwesomeCoffee|talk]]) 01:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC) == Eighty Thousand Visitors a DAY? == The caption on the picture of the observation desk reads: ''Two World Trade Center's observation deck received an estimated 80,000 visitors a day.'' I find it hard to believe 80,000 people PER DAY visit the observation deck. [[Special:Contributions/99.53.168.200|99.53.168.200]] ([[User talk:99.53.168.200|talk]]) 04:18, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Bea Bryant ::That's actually low, I heard an estimated 100,000 people visited it.--[[Special:Contributions/75.0.33.216|75.0.33.216]] ([[User talk:75.0.33.216|talk]]) 06:14, 26 August 2011 (UTC) == Discrepancy in number of victims identified == In this article, the number is 1629. I know because I added it. The [[September 11 attacks]] article says the number is 1630, before the most recent victim identification, which would make the number 1631. There's no reason to doubt either source, but someone is wrong. Sources that say 1629 are [http://news.yahoo.com/remains-found-9-11-rubble-linked-nyc-man-001149585.html], [http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/145649/wtc-victim-s-remains-identified], [http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/23/a-911-victim-is-identified-by-the-medical-examiner/], [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8721002/Victim-1629-of-September-11-attacks-identified-after-10-years.html], [http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/wtc_id_effort_heroic_WReZ1SfGf0uwlLshS6fXrI] and [http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/08/24/2011-08-24_id_remains_of_wtc_worker_10_yrs_later.html this source I used]. Sources that say 1630 but are now outdated because of the additional victim are [http://abcnews.go.com/US/world-trade-center-1630th-victim-identified-911/story?id=13591639] and [http://www.ny1.com/content/special_reports/911_a_decade_later/140793/9-11-a-decade-later--dna-matching-efforts-to-continue-at-wtc-site this source used in the other article].[[User:Vchimpanzee|<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee</font>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 21:17, 1 September 2011 (UTC) == No Concrete Cores == I noticed that someone inserted incorrect information regarding the cores of the twin towers into the article, claiming they were reinforced concrete. Members of the 9/11 "truth" cult promote this falsehood for their own bizarre purposes. I presented a letter sent to me by Leslie Robertson: Dear Mr. Wieck: My response to your query comes with the preamble I am the Engineer-of-Record for the structure of the two towers of the World Trade Center. That is, I was the Chief Engineer for the design of both of the towers, and all of the drawings carry my professional seal and signature. Further, I was in responsible charge of our quality assurance operations for the construction work and, subsequent to the construction, of our on-going designs for structural alterations. From time to time persons have written to me stating that the two towers were constructed with reinforced concrete cores. Without reservation I am able to state that, for the both of the two towers: - From the very earliest inception of structural design, concrete cores were not considered as a viable option. - The architects (including Mr. Minoru Yamasaki) and our client, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, never asked that concrete cores be incorporated into the design or the construction of the toweres. - From the lowest basement to the roof, concrete cores were never shown in the drawings for the design or for the construction of the two towers. - Concrete cores were not constructed. - Evidence of concrete cores cannot be found in construction photographs. - Following the tragic events of September 11, debris from concrete cores was not found in the field. Irresponsible persons have generated material, even a letter falsely purported to have been signed by me, indicating that concrete cores were a part of the World Trade Center. The motives for such assertions is beyond my ken. Of course, responsible persons, perhaps without a proper choice of words, may state or may have stated that concrete cores were a part of the design and/or construction of the two towers. Such statements are not based on fact. Where by responsible persons, I can only believe that such statements were or are made incidental to the discussion and without the intention of certifying in any way that concrete cores were in any way a part of the design or the construction of either of the two towers. Regards, Leslie Earl Robertson, P.E., S.E., Chartered Engineer (U.K. and Ireland) :First Class Architect and Engineer (Japan) Now I see that the erroneous information has been removed, with no mention of Robertson's clarification. Ronald Wieck <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:RonWieck|RonWieck]] ([[User talk:RonWieck|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RonWieck|contribs]]) 15:34, 3 September 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == Does the death toll include hijackers? == Someone edited the article to say it didn't, and another editor corrected a misspelling. I reverted both edits until we can find out for sure. [[September 11 attacks]] has a box saying no, the hijackers aren't included. The number who died at this site based on the three groups in that box add up to the correct total, but no source is given and we're not supposed to use Wikipedia as a source.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee</font>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 17:00, 5 September 2011 (UTC) :The hijackers are not included in the death toll, so as not make martyrs of them to their extremist allies. [[User:TySoltaur|TySoltaur]] ([[User talk:TySoltaur|talk]]) 17:04, 5 September 2011 (UTC) ::Then this should be made clear in the article, right?[[User:Vchimpanzee|<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee</font>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC) :There's a more detailed breakdown at [[Casualties of the September 11 attacks]]. [[User:Tom harrison|Tom Harrison]] ^{[[User talk:Tom harrison|Talk]]} 17:14, 5 September 2011 (UTC) ::I'm getting 2,756 from that. But every source I've found says 2,753.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee</font>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 17:24, 5 September 2011 (UTC) :::The box in [[September 11 attacks]] says 87 aboard [[American Airlines Flight 11]]. The Casualties article says 90. Someone is wrong.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee</font>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC) ::::Okay, the Flight 11 article says 92, including five hijackers. That's 87. I think I'm entitled to correct the information in the Casualties article.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee</font>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 17:30, 5 September 2011 (UTC) {{outdent}}Oh, wait, that's using Wikipedia as a source again. Someone should take a look at the sources for the various articles. I prefer not to do that at home.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<font color="Green">Vchimpanzee</font>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 17:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC) == Claification needed == "Kerik later released the flag to NASA officials and it was transported aboard the space shuttle Endeavour (STS-108) as part of its December 5–17, 2001, mission to the International Space Station." Who is Kerik, he does not seem to appear in the rest of the text. :Former NYC Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, who was the Commissioner on 9/11. [[User:TySoltaur|TySoltaur]] ([[User talk:TySoltaur|talk]]) 16:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC) == Coordinate error == ()()()()()()()()()()()(())()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()(()()(()()()())()()(((()(()()()()()()())(()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()(()()()()()()()()()())(()()()()()()()()(())((())()()()(()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()))()()()()()()()()'