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'{{User:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/Title}} <!--[[:Image:Police man update.png|50px|right]]--> <!--[[Template:WarningsSmall]]: vandalism warnings--> <div style="align: center; padding: 1em; border: solid 2px gray; background-color: lavender;"> '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Wetman&action=edit&section=new Please click here to leave me a new message.]'''</div><br> [[Image:Quiscalus mexicanus1.jpg|thumb|250px|This grackle has spotted you and is very pleased with your work! For having a thought provoking user page, filled with valuable instructions and examples that obviously show in the quality of your edits, I award you this Great-tailed Grackle! --[[User:Unfocused]], 27 September 2005]] [[Image:Goldenwiki.png|thumb|140px|left|To the most helpful, prolific and competent wikipedian I've met during my two years in the project. Presented by <font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> ^{<font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font>} 17:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)]] {| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;" |rowspan="2" valign="top" | [[Image:Barnstar-stone2-noback.png|100px]] |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Epic Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For tireless vandalism reverts and all-around improvements to classical-themed articles, I hereby award Wetman the epic barnstar [[User:Erik the Red 2|Erik the <font color="red">Red</font> 2]] <small>(<font color= "maroon">[[User Talk:Erik the Red 2|AVE]]</font>·<font color= "orange">[[Special:Contributions/Erik the Red 2|CAESAR]]</font>)</small> 01:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC) |} {| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}};" |rowspan="2" valign="top" | [[Image:DYK medal.png|80px]] |rowspan="2" | {| style="border: 3px solid {{{border|crimson}}}; padding: .25em; background-color: {{{color|gold}}};" |rowspan="2" valign="top" | [[Image:Dyk100.png|80px]] |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''The 100 [[Wikipedia:Did you know|DYK]] Medal for Wetman''' |- |style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thanks for your first hundred. Keep up the good work. With 50K plus edits then we need a few more for DYK, however we have over 100 articles so far. Thanks again [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 21:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC) |} |} <br clear="all"> {{TOCleft}} <br clear="all"> {{hidden | headercss = background: #ccccff; font-size: 110%; width: 50%; | contentcss = text-align: center; font-size: 110%; width: 50%; | header = Archived talk | content = [[User talk:Wetman/archive3Mar2004]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive16Jun2004]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive12Aug2004]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive16Oct2004]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive15Jan2005]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive22Mar2005]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive23Jun2005]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive3Sep2005]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive1Dec2005]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive28Mar2006]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive3July2006]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive15Oct2006]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive7Feb2007]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive25Jun2007]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive10Aug2007]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive28Dec2007]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive16April2008]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive4July2008]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive7Oct2008]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive10April2009]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive14Sept2009]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive7Nov2009]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive5Apr2010]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive11Jun2010]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive7Sep2010]] :[[User talk:Wetman/archive21Jan2011]] }} {{Boxboxtop|}} {{User MAW400}} {{Boxboxbottom}} <br> <br clear="all"/> <center>'''CURRENT & NEW TALK'''</center> <br> == Online Ambassadors == I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the [[WP:Online_Ambassadors]] program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 16:12, 22 January 2011 (UTC) :Your confidence inspires me. I've now applied.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 21:55, 22 January 2011 (UTC) ::Very good, we are reviewing the application now [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 00:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC) ==[[Baiae]]== Am I [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Baiae&action=historysubmit&diff=410273348&oldid=410270990 missing something]? I was [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Baiae&oldid=410042092#Copyright_violation pretty sure] this is a copyright violation. [[User:Nev1|Nev1]] ([[User talk:Nev1|talk]]) 12:37, 27 January 2011 (UTC) :My error. I hadn't detected the copyright violation.-[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 04:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC) ==Burlesque (genre)== Hi. I see that you were the original person who created the article on Victorian theatrical burlesque [Burlesque (genre)], as distinguished from modern striptease [[burlesque]]. I see that someone has now merged the Burlesque (genre) article into [[Burlesque]]. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Burlesque_%28genre%29&action=history this]. I missed that there had been a merge proposal, but I disagree with this merge. Here is what [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Burlesque_%28genre%29&oldid=404841394 Burlesque (genre) looked like] before the merge. Would you kindly look into this and comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Burlesque#Merge_with_Burlesque_.28genre.29 here?] Thanks for taking a look and commenting either way. All the best! -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 23:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC) :If the combined article drops no text or illustrations and incorporates added text examining the extension of "burlesque" to include its modern connotations, that would be a genuinely encyclopedic treatment.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 04:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC) == ''Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter'': 28 January 2011 == {{Wikipedia:Ambassadors/Newsletter/1/Deliverable}} <small>Delivered by [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 00:35, 29 January 2011 (UTC) </small> <!-- EdwardsBot 0104 --> ==DYK nomination of Il Guerrin Meschino== [[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Il Guerrin Meschino]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''{{T:TDYK|Il Guerrin Meschino|your nomination's entry}}''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! <!--Template:DYKproblem--> '''<font color="#000000">[[User:Schwede66|Schwede]]</font><font color="#FF4500">[[User talk:Schwede66|66]]</font>''' 04:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC) :I thought they were being a little childish about what "reviewing" is, but I have left a further note about the hook, which doesn't appear to be cited. You may like to look at it and comment. [[User:Moonraker2|Moonraker2]] ([[User talk:Moonraker2|talk]]) 05:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC) ==Humanist minuscule== Happy to oblige (and to have an excuse to dig out my calligraphy books). - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 04:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC) ==DYK for Il Guerrin Meschino== {{tmbox |style = notice |small = |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#6 February 2011|6 February 2011]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Il Guerrin Meschino]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... about '''''[[Il Guerrin Meschino]]''''' ("Wretched Guerrin"), an Italian prose [[Romance (genre)|romance]] with elements of [[fable]], written by the [[Tuscany|Tuscan]] ''[[Troubadour|trovatore]]'' [[Andrea da Barberino]] about 1410?'' You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201102/Il_Guerrin_Meschino quick check])</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]]. }} —[[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]] 00:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC) == [[Karkadann]] == [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Karkadann&oldid=37639985 Almost exactly five years ago] you commented on the lamentable state of this article. Good things come to those who wait! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 20:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC) :Bravo, Drmies! Worth the wait. Wikipedia's quality has risen far in the last five years.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 20:47, 8 February 2011 (UTC) ::Thanks in no small part to you. I should throw a barnstar your way, but it would get last between all those DYK medals. Hey, I'm actually catching up with you! (That is, I can see your taillight way up ahead.) Thanks for the compliment, and keep the quality articles coming. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 20:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC) ==DYK nomination of Article== [[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Olea oleaster]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''{{T:TDYK|Olea oleaster|your nomination's entry}}''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! <!--Template:DYKproblem--> [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC) [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 04:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC) == Re: [[Egyptian temple]] == I'm glad you like the article. As for why the article wasn't created until now—well, most of the ancient Egypt section is crummy. A few years ago, before I joined the wikiproject, a few people did excellent work on [[Ancient Egypt]] and some of the New Kingdom pharaohs, but those people seem to be busy with real life now. Even when they were highly active here, they didn't work much in the area of religion. Ancient Egyptian religion is my primary interest on Wikipedia, and the absence of a temple article was the most glaring deficiency, so as soon as I could put together a decent article, I did. [[User:A. Parrot|A. Parrot]] ([[User talk:A. Parrot|talk]]) 07:18, 9 February 2011 (UTC) :Well, it sets a standard.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 07:27, 9 February 2011 (UTC) ::Yes, that's a really fine article. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 11:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC) ==Il Guerrin Meschino== I had a go at it. I have found a limited online text of Cursietti's edition [http://books.google.com/books?ei=tblTTeeTGMa3hQeIvbT3CA&ct=result&sqi=2&id=GD9lAAAAMAAJ here]. [[User:Moonraker2|Moonraker2]] ([[User talk:Moonraker2|talk]]) 10:36, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :I couldn't open it. Thanks .--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 10:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC) == [[All Saints Church, Little Wenham]] == Thanks for your comment on the DYK suggestions page. I too thought that it was Grade&nbsp;II* listed until I looked more carefully at the [http://www.heritagegateway.org.uk/Gateway/Results_Single.aspx?uid=278861&resourceID=5 Heritage gateway page]. At the top it says "Grade II*", and a little lower it says "GVII*". But still lower it says "The entry shall be amended to read:-" and lower again "GVI". In addition [[Grade I listed buildings in Babergh]] (where it uses its alternative dedication (maybe incorrectly) to St Lawrence) includes it as Grade&nbsp;I listed. I decided that the evidence is in favour of its grading having been raised from Grade&nbsp;II* to Grade&nbsp;I and have reverted your edit. Cheers. --[[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]] ([[User talk:Peter I. Vardy|talk]]) 10:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :That should be good enough for me, but the reference you've given, at the Wikipedia-originated list of [[Grade I listed buildings in Babergh]], also gives Grade II* for this church; the list is as of 2001: [http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/Details/Default.aspx?id=278861 here it is]. Perhaps the change in listing is relevant to the article. Let me copy this to [[Talk:All Saints Church, Little Wenham#Listing]]. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 11:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC) ::I know; it's based on the ''[[Images of England]]'' site, as you say, which was created as of 2001 and has not been (and will not be) updated. Which is why I and other editors writing on heritage in England use the ''Heritage Gateway'' site, which does seem to be updated. The problem with including the upgrading in the article is that I do not have a good-enough reference to confirm this; I have just made a conclusion from what I take to be a reliable source. (also copied) --[[User:Peter I. Vardy|Peter I. Vardy]] ([[User talk:Peter I. Vardy|talk]]) 11:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :::That's surely good enough, I agree.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 11:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC) ==DYK for Olea oleaster== {{tmbox |style = notice |small = |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#11 February 2011|11 February 2011]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Olea oleaster]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that the sacred [[Olea oleaster|wild-olive '''''Olea oleaster''''']] of [[Olympia, Greece|Olympia]], not the [[Olive|cultivated olive]], was used for the [[olive wreath]]s that crowned [[Ancient Olympic Games|ancient Olympic winners]]?'' You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201102/Olea_oleaster quick check])</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]]. }} [[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 00:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC) ==DYK for Humanist minuscule== {{tmbox |style = notice |small = |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#11 February 2011|11 February 2011]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Humanist minuscule]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that '''[[humanist minuscule]]''' [[Penmanship|handwriting]], invented in the fifteenth century in [[Italy]], was based on [[Carolingian minuscule]], which [[Renaissance humanism|Renaissance humanist]]s took to be [[Ancient Rome|ancient Roman]]?'' You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201102/Humanist_minuscule quick check])</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]]. }} [[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 06:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC) == ''Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter'': 13 February 2011 == {{Wikipedia:Ambassadors/Newsletter/2/Deliverable}} <small>Delivered by [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 18:26, 11 February 2011 (UTC) </small> <!-- EdwardsBot 0108 --> == Nomination of [[Bulfinch's Mythology]] for deletion == <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|42px|alt=|link=]]</div>The article '''[[Bulfinch's Mythology]]''' is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]]. The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bulfinch's Mythology]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="FCD116">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 22:10, 12 February 2011 (UTC) ==Nice reference for the Sirens v Muses myth== That was an excellent reference that you found for the Sirens v Muses. I've copied it to the two Lefkai islands -> [[Souda (island)]] and [[Leon (Souda Bay)]] and to [[Crete]]. It looks like they conjured up the myth during the first Byzantine period in Crete to name Aptera and the islands. But why did they think it was necessary to conjure up myths for these islands? (maybe it just made it easier to remember all the names). They did the same for the [[Agioi Theodoroi (islands)]] just north of Platania, Crete (a pair of islands that they claim were formed when a monster and its baby approached Crete - they were fended off by the local population). Then [[Dia (island)]] (pronounced Ntia by the local population) has the shape of a giant lizard when viewed from [[Knossos]], so they came up with the story that a giant lizard was approaching Crete, and Zeus struck it with lightening whereupon it turned to stone and became the island of Ntia). At least the Muses v Sirens story is original (it's not giant monsters approaching the island). Is it possible that the reference that you found for the Sirens is the primary source? They also claim that the [[Paximadia]] islands were the birthplace of Apollo and Artemis probably because Leto was worshipped in [[Phaistos]]. <small>[[User:Nipsonanomhmata|<span style="color:white;background:#007">&nbsp;<span style="background:#00c">Nipson</span><span style="background:#00e">anomhmata</span>&nbsp;</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Nipsonanomhmata|(Talk)]]}</small> 05:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC) ::Yes it's a nice one: who is that [[Walter Copland Perry]], who was writing so sensibly on the Sirens? I'm reading that there was a so-called ''Mouseion'' at Aptera and if that's so, I surmise that the seaside site as a competing ground for Muses and Sirens was quite an old idea. My Googletease peek at Maurizio Bettini and Luigi Spina, ''Il mito delle sirene: immagini e racconti dalla Grecia a oggi'' (2007) tells me ''La gara si era svolta nel cosiddetto mouseion, poco distante sia dalla città sia dal mare, un luogo dedicato...'' That is, the contest took place at the so-called ''mouseion'' near the village and the sea. I know nothing of this "so-called" Mouseion at Aptera, which, I see now, is mentioned without details in an article "Bilder aus Kreta" ("Pictures from Crete"), in ''Unsere zeit: Deutsche revue des Gegenwart'' '''10'''.2 (1874:59). Btw, I doubt that ''Aptera'' has any actual etymological connection with feathers or wings, however; etymologies were just witty playthings for Greeks and Romans.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 06:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC) :::I've never visited Aptera although I've driven past it. Maybe on another holiday. Just rethinking that the myth must have been generated before the Byzantine Empire because the Byzantine Empire was in to christianity and not pagan gods. If it were only possible to wind back the clock and see how it all happened instead of reading it in books. <small>[[User:Nipsonanomhmata|<span style="color:white;background:#007">&nbsp;<span style="background:#00c">Nipson</span><span style="background:#00e">anomhmata</span>&nbsp;</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Nipsonanomhmata|(Talk)]]}</small> 00:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC) ::::You're right about Byzantium, though myth had an elaborate ''literary'' life after the old religion was no longer felt, was even driven underground: see ''[[Dionysiaca]]''. The essential [[mytheme]] of the Aptera story is: "Muses challenged by Sirens: Muses 1 Sirens 0". This nugget of myth suggests that at some distant pre-Classical time, a place holy to the Sirens was taken over as a place now holy to the Muses, a ''Museion'', and the Sirens became disfigured, as creatures of terror now, not awe. Were their images cast into the sea? Before the seventh century BCE, but how long before?--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 00:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :::::That makes a lot of sense. <small>[[User:Nipsonanomhmata|<span style="color:white;background:#007">&nbsp;<span style="background:#00c">Nipson</span><span style="background:#00e">anomhmata</span>&nbsp;</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Nipsonanomhmata|(Talk)]]}</small> 01:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC) == Niblo's Garden == Hello! While acknowledging your wiki-experience and authority, I was sorry to see that you deleted the reference to Niblo's Garden (the 'low-brow' entertainment hall in the Bronx). Although appreciating the arts, my research (non-wikipedic) of the Bronx hall has nothing to do with the Opera House, and others pursuing a similar line now have no reference or disambiguation. That was why I included the information about the latter Niblo's Garden in the wikipedia article. Obscure or not today, the Bronx "Niblo's" was an established entertainment venue in its own right, in its own time. I'll not interfere with your editing, but I believe the reference was valid for those who may be searching for information on the latter location, who now will only find it under the Lyceum entry, and likely only then by accident or persistant searching. Kind regards, Larry Hoefling (mchuston) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mchuston|Mchuston]] ([[User talk:Mchuston|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mchuston|contribs]]) 18:58, 19 February 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :Back in September last year I made [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Niblo's_Garden&action=historysubmit&diff=383492620&oldid=383483692 this edit] to [[Niblo's Garden]]. Reviewing it, I see that my version was more accurate in two instances and added a useful link to [[A. T. Stewart]], but it did not eliminate any reference (not my usual practice). --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:43, 19 February 2011 (UTC) == Mentoring students: be sure to check in on them == <small>This message is going out to all of the Online Ambassadors who are, or will be, serving as mentors this term.</small> Hi there! This is just a friendly reminder to check in on what your mentees are doing. If they've started making edits, take a look and help them out or do some example fixes for them, if they need it. And if they are doing good, let them know it! If you aren't mentoring anyone yet, it looks like you will be soon; at least one large class is asking us to assign mentors for them, and students in a number of others haven't yet gotten to asking ambassadors to be their mentors, but may soon. --[[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)|talk]]) 20:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC) <!-- EdwardsBot 0110 --> == groups of students in need of mentors == Hey Wetman. One of the classes working with the Wikipedia Ambassador Program, Jonathan Obar's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Media and Telecommunication Policy spring 2011 (Obar)|Media and Telecommunication Policy]], is working in small groups and would like us to assign a mentor to each group (rather than having students request the mentors they'd like, as other classes are doing). I invite you to sign on as the mentor for one or more groups, especially if any of the topics catch your interest. To sign up, go to the course page and add yourself as "Mentor: you" in the section for that group. They students and/or professor or campus ambassadors should be cleaning things up soon to list all the usernames for each group and add a few more groups. Once you know who the students are in the group, you can leave them each a quick introduction to let them know you'll be mentoring their group. Thanks!--[[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)|talk]]) 19:11, 22 February 2011 (UTC) ==Silphium== Thank you for helping fix the references on the [[Silphium]] page. However, why did you re-add the statement that 'silphium is a species of Ferula' in the lead? I removed all references to its identity to the 'Identity' section because the question is too complex for the lead -- even the genus-level identification to ''[[Ferula]]'' is not undisputed. And I think it should be 'possibly extinct' rather than 'probably extinct'. I'm not convinced we can have that much confidence. I did write 'probably' elsewhere, but that was in the context of the ''Ferula'' group of suggested identities -- rather than ''[[Cachrys]] ferulacea'' or ''Thapsia garganica'' etc. Specifically: -it's not so clear Pliny was right about it being extinct in Cyrene, since Synesius of Cyrene wrote about seeing some growing there in the fifth century AD; -even if it really was extirpated from Cyrene, the idea that it was a distinct species from some of the other ''[[Ferula]]'' used is ultimately an extrapolation (though perhaps a good one -- I'll have to look into the ranges). Pliny recognizes the stuff from Persia as silphium as well, just lower quality -- a difference in taste doesn't necessarily imply a difference in species. I admit it's probably not ''Ferula asafoetida'' on biogeographic grounds, but can we definitely rule out ''F. tingitana'', ''F. narthex'', etc. (Even ''F. communis'' or ''F. foetida'' could get involved...) [[User:Vultur|Vultur]] ([[User talk:Vultur|talk]]) 10:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC) :In [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Silphium&action=historysubmit&diff=415283021&oldid=415273300 my edit] at [[Silphium]] I simply restored a citation-supported statement that had eroded away, improved a badly-used "crux" (commerce has no "crux"), provided a citation that had been demanded, and made "Vinidarius" less specifically identified as an "author". I confess that I'd deleted "possibly", and when I put it back thoughtlessly substituted "probably": your idea that it's not "probably extinct" would be well served by more summary in the article of the published arguments for silphium's continued existence. Perhaps you'd make a start on ''[[Ferula tingitana]]''. And perhaps some more detail drawn from the published reports on which you base your doubts and confidences would keep bumblers like me at bay.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC) == [[lament of Edward II]] == The DYK needs a tweak. Toodle-pip [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 02:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC) == Please be the mentor for the students working on [[Communications Act of 1934]] == Hi again, Wetman! I'm currently trying to assign mentors to all the remaining groups in Professor Obar's class. Would you be the mentor for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_Public_Policy/Courses/Media_and_Telecommunication_Policy_spring_2011_(Obar)#Communications Act of 1934|group of students]] working on [[Communications Act of 1934]]? If you can do it, thanks! If not, please let me know.--[[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)|talk]]) 00:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC) :I signed myself in and contacted the one student with a userpage.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 00:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC) ::Awesome, thanks!--[[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)|talk]]) 02:11, 3 March 2011 (UTC) == Re "chimaira" == Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chimera_(mythology)&diff=prev&oldid=416833056 this edit] &mdash; sorry about that &mdash; I was myopically looking in Kerenyi's ''The Gods of the Greeks'', as oppossed to ''Heroes''. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 03:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC) :I was ''shocked''. ''Shocked'', I tell you... You, one of the handful of editors whose edits never need vetting: ''shocking!'' --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 04:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC) :: ;-) [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC) ==DYK for Lament of Edward II== {{tmbox |style = notice |small = |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#3 March 2011|3 March 2011]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Lament of Edward II]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that the [[Anglo-Norman]] '''''[[Lament of Edward II]]''''', written ''c.'' 1327, is traditionally credited to [[Edward II of England]]?'' You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201103/Lament_of_Edward_II quick check])</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]]. }} [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 10:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC) == Hello == Hello, This is Andy from TC210 working on the communications act of 1934 and I am looking forward to working with you. Thank you for your time and generosity. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Genorok|Genorok]] ([[User talk:Genorok|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Genorok|contribs]]) 14:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :Just come back here with any questions you have. This [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Communications_Act_of_1934&action=historysubmit&diff=416832568&oldid=416729362 "diff" i.e. difference between two versions of the article showing the edit I recently made there] highlights some queries I had for you editors. Matters of ''fact'' in the article are your joint responsibility. I'll just be helping you get there. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 18:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC) == [[Palais-Royal]]: your rude remarks == You owe me an explanation for [[Talk:Palais-Royal#Breathless burble|your outrageously rude remarks]]. This outburst is an appalling display of incivility and immaturity. You have never once spoken to me before in any way, and now you publicly spit on me and my contributions? I reject your remarks and I stand by all my edits. [[User:SteveStrummer|SteveStrummer]] ([[User talk:SteveStrummer|talk]]) 18:13, 6 March 2011 (UTC) :Well, lurkers here may agree, that's a rather ''vivid'' post! We note that [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Palais-Royal&action=historysubmit&diff=417408070&oldid=417405672\ the architect's name has now been restored to the article]! So my ''immaturity'' has in fact born ''fruit''. I am convinced that when I said that [[Jacques Lemercier]]'s name was "doubtless unfamiliar to the 're-editor'", that was accurate enough, as the honorable editor would have to admit, to remain honest. And perhaps I'm not the only one to giggle at ''" It was at these parties that the crème de la crème of French society came to see and be seen."'' A bit ''breathless'', after all is said and done, no? I certainly didn't say it was ''preposterously inflated'', did I?--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 21:13, 6 March 2011 (UTC) ::<small>Lurker: Yes, quite vivid. [[User:Zozo2kx|Yazan]] ([[User talk:Zozo2kx|talk]]) 21:18, 6 March 2011 (UTC)</small> :::Are you quite sure you even read [[Talk:Palais-Royal#Breathless burble|my reply]]? Go review the article's history: <i>I did not write those words.</i> And whoever did would surely be disgusted by such comments from a so-called "Wikipedia Ambassador". [[User:SteveStrummer|SteveStrummer]] ([[User talk:SteveStrummer|talk]]) 21:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC) ::::I make no claim to have read the editor's retort. Surely it's generally agreed, that whenever one makes twenty or so consecutive edits to an article, one may expect to be held to account for its ''content''. I hope to be useful as a Wikipedia Ambassador, representing common sense, I hope, with a streak of humor, and continuing to earn StevetheStrummer's disgust.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 21:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC) :::That's an astoundingly bad argument, but it matches your social grace and scholarly approach. Goodbye to you. [[User:SteveStrummer|SteveStrummer]] ([[User talk:SteveStrummer|talk]]) 22:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC) <center><small>* Door slams! *</small></center> ::::::Tch Tch Tch. I was trying to think of something clever about Miss [[Jean Brodie]] to add to this distressing thread, but have been greatly consoled to learn [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cr%C3%A8me_de_la_cr%C3%A8me here] that to be an astronaut "you have to be the crème de la crème" - which must be very nice for any socially aspiring aliens they may encounter. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User_talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 22:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC) ::PS:Talking of funny edits and expressions, am I only the person on the world who finds [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepy_Hollow,_New_York#Overview "The village is the location of Sleepy Hollow Cemetery]" the most hystericaly funny name for a cemetery? No need to answer - I expect I am - I must do a bio of one of the residents, just so I can have the pleasure of writing: "''He silently slipped away and was gently laid to rest in a sleepy hollow.''" [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User_talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 22:50, 6 March 2011 (UTC :::[[Eleanor Perenyi]], living and writing in Stonington, which is near [[Mystic, Connecticut]], confessed to a little thrill of pleasure every time she wrote out the check for her utility bill, to ''Mystic Light and Power''.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 23:31, 6 March 2011 (UTC)) <div style="align: center; padding: 1em; border: solid 2px gray; background-color: lavender;"> ''Wetman's resources of patience and forbearance are in perennially short supply. Principles of [[triage]] require that no more of these reserves be expended than any one situation requires. Your understanding is appreciated.''</div> == [[Ladies' Mile Historic District]] == Thanks for putting the new picture into the article -- I was interrupted by fixing dinner.<p>To answer the question in your edit summary, I generally don't like to put images on the left side down by the "References" and "External links" sections, because the footnote numbers and bullets always seem too close to the picture for me. But the real problem is that I just not really happy with how the image turned out. I hate having the tower in the background, and miss seeing the second dome on 655 Sixth (which I had to crop out in order to close down the top of the image, or else it looked like the focus was the apartment tower. I'm going to try again tomorrow and see if I can get a shot looking '''''down''''' Sixth at the same 3 buildings, so the background will be other low-lying buildings and maybe I can leave in both domes. So I'm going to hold off on making any adjustments at this time, and see what tomorrow brings. If it's good enough, the buildings will be facing left and the image should work in the lede position. Best, and thanks, [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 02:45, 8 March 2011 (UTC) :Btw, I've been noticing your good New York images at Commons. I patrol through the latest images there sometimes, apprehensive that good images get filed away like the Ark at the close of ''Indiana Jones'' and are never retrieved for the encyclopedia itself. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 06:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC) ::That's great. I do my best to categorize all my uploads as widely (and accurately) as possible, so there's more of a chance that people will find them. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 07:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC) :::Otherwise, what a waste!--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 07:24, 8 March 2011 (UTC) == Secretary hand == Would you be interested in expanding [[Secretary hand]]? - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 23:29, 8 March 2011 (UTC) :Sure. I've made a start. Perhaps some additions will inspire others.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 06:05, 9 March 2011 (UTC) ::Thank you! - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 04:26, 10 March 2011 (UTC) :::It would be better if I could actually ''read'' it. It's the very devil.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 06:27, 10 March 2011 (UTC) ::::I just bought a font set with two different Secretary hands. ;-) - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 03:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC) == Thanks for fixing [[Papyrus Fouad 266]] == I had left a lengthy note on the Talk page explaining what didn't make sense in the article, & instead of fixing them, he decided to respond on the Talk page. ::sigh:: (Had I known it was under consideration for DYK, I would have quashed that.) At least now, after your efforts, this article is readable, & the notability of the manuscript established -- although I'm certain more could be said about the document. And what is it with this odd desire to have an article on every Biblical manuscript in existence? Some are clearly of practically no interest even to scholars of Biblical texts. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 23:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC) :Dictionary thinking. Encyclopedic thinking is a stretch for many. Thanks for yr kind words: long time no see.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 23:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC) :: Just trying to contribute with the limited time I have. I might have more if I stopped trying to pontificate with essays like [[User:Llywrch/Encyclopedias and Wikipedia|this]]. (Yr feedback on this -- even to confirm/deny I am making any sense or writing anything worth reading -- would be welcome.) -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 01:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC) :::Well, before I dive in, you may quote my Userpage: "'''Wikipedia is a reader's guide''', not the last word on any subject. It answers questions like "[[Gentile da Fabriano]]? Was he a pope or something?" Thinking of Wikipedia as an ''encyclopedia'' encourages a hundred little pretensions and unhelpful attitudinizing." Heh heh...--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 02:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC) ::::My tweaks are minor. I think it's a useful project. In my experience, non-editors seem to miss at Wikipedia the reassuring "knowledgable and paternal control from above" organizing principle, and don't see that the ''length'' of a Wikipedia article is not commensurate with its importance in the broadest scheme of things.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 02:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC) ::::: I appreciate the tweaks -- a couple of them I will take under serious consideration -- but I was more concerned with the ideas I was grappling with. If nothing else, my thesis that we have no idea of what an encyclopedia is, or what it is good for. Which then means none of us know WTF we are doing -- except for a few who take the "collect all human knowledge" sales pitch seriously. And it means that latest thoughts & research on the encyclopedia genre is to be found on Wikipedia's talk pages -- maybe even WP:AN. (Though I hope not there; if I had my druthers, I can think of a number of essays in different userspaces.)<p>Thoughts? -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 05:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC) ::::::Lester is one of many editors who use WP as a convenient base for an online database, aiming at completeness, for a special area they are interested in, like others on warships, lemurs, fungi, hurricanes, English churches, and once upon a time Pokemon characters. At least he does not, like some, largely replicate an existing and more authoritative online database, but instead takes the information from large reference books that are only otherwise to be found in theological libraries. I see no harm in this, in fact collectively such efforts give WP much of its strength, and are useful to readers because WP is so much easier to find via Google than a specialist database. His English is pretty patchy, but his subjects are so obscure that I suppose a fair degree of contextual knowledge can be assumed in all but readers who arrived by hitting "random article". He is not great at context - some articles he has started are on MS that are textually of no great interest, but of considerable fame in art history for their illustrations, which he barely mentions. He is not very responsive to discussion, I've found - it's the cryptic titles he uses that annoy me. Also, is the library in Cairo housing the papyrus, actually and still called the [[Societé Royale de Papyrologie]] as he says? One rather doubts that. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 12:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC) :::::::The history of encyclopedias since Isidore's is that in the long run they ''replace'' the primary sources that they report. That gives me an uneasy feeling sometimes.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC) == tiber river == I was wondering why did you delete the in game section on the tiber river (more info [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Tiber_River&curid=30359&diff=418372960&oldid=418371396 here]). [[User:Crazymonkey1123|Crazymonkey1123]] (Jacob) ^{([[User talk:Crazymonkey1123|Shout!]])} 23:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC) == query == Hi Wetman I came across your work on Wikipedia via the Amalek discussion page, read your user page and found there much to appreciate. I'm writing to ask for your help. Would you be willing to field a few very specific questions for me with regard to how a Wikipedia editor would attempt to manage a questionable subject matter? I'm afraid I find myself out of my depth. Thanks for your consideration, [[Special:Contributions/24.148.109.199|24.148.109.199]] ([[User talk:24.148.109.199|talk]]) 19:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)Josh :I'd prefer to correspond right here, as my email is very private. Sure, if I can help I'd be glad to. Does "questionable subject matter" mean that the actual historic existence of the ''subject'' (the religion) was in doubt? The editor's first reaction would be to ask for citations of published text relating to the subject, to support statements made in the article.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 21:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the fast reply. I understand about the need for privacy. So much so that I'm loath to discuss a work-in-progress in a public forum. If you don't mind, I'll delate as we go, as I've done above ... that should keep things somewhat private. ... yes, by questionable I mean the religion is in doubt, and a person in the world, an expert, an editor, any knowledgable party would prima facie deny its existence. The trick is to will it into being even as the world greets it with a skeptical eye. Think early Mormons, think Scientology. So if I understand correctly: you see an article of questionable epistemic claims (though putatively rooted in a "verified" "legitimate" religious tradition) supported by some pretty paltry citations. You don't shut it down automatically or mark it for speedy deletion? Sounds like first you send it to the discussion page. There you encounter one author, the article's creator ... what do you ask him to do? I'm looking not only for the right protocol, but also the words of the exchange, what you'd naturally say to someone who's article you question down to the core. Thanks again. --[[Special:Contributions/24.148.109.199|24.148.109.199]] ([[User talk:24.148.109.199|talk]]) 00:43, 15 March 2011 (UTC)Josh :Paltry citations would include archived newspaper articles, etc. about this new cult. If there were none, it would quite reasonably be deleted as [[Wikipedia: Non-notable]], ''prima facie''. A strong response is to list the new article at [[Wikipedia: Articles for Deletion]], ("AfD") as an example of the kind of inventive essay (creating this "new religion" that doesn't actually exist) that is given the generic label [[Wikipedia: Original Research]]. Follow the two links and read through the archives to catch the general tone. Also, look into [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion]] and [[Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes]], which would soon be invoked, as would [[Wikipedia:Controversial articles]]. The links in the sidebar "What links here" will offer you some leads. Study posts at all the talkpages connected with these links, to get the range of reactions and develop your ear. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 08:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC) ::A belated thanks ... exactly what I needed. Give a man a fish or teach him to go fishing, as the saying goes. Thanks for the fishing lesson. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/208.191.226.50|208.191.226.50]] ([[User talk:208.191.226.50|talk]]) 22:52, 19 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :::About writing dialogue. Good dialogue sets the scene in passing references, demonstrates the character and thought processes and moves the action forward, with a minimum of dialogue that merely adds "local color." I imagine from its subject the piece at which you are working is humorous: see H.H. Munro "[http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Open_Window_(Saki) The Open Window]". See what could be subtracted. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 23:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC) == Marking articles students are working on == Howdy, Online Ambassador! This is a quick message to all the ambassadors about marking and tracking which articles students are working on. For the classes working with the ambassador program, please look over any articles being worked on by students (in particular, any ones you are mentoring, but others who don't have mentors as well) and do these things: # Add <nowiki>{{WAP assignment | term = Spring 2011 }}</nowiki> to the articles' talk pages. (The other parameters of the {{tl|WAP assignment}} template are helpful, so please add them as well, but the term = Spring 2011 one is most important.) # If the article is related to United States public policy, make sure the article the WikiProject banner is on the talk page: {{tl|WikiProject United States Public Policy}} # Add [[:Category:Article Feedback Pilot]] (a hidden category) to the article itself. The second phase of the [[mw:Article feedback/Public Policy Pilot|Article Feedback Tool project]] has started, and this time we're trying to include all of the articles students are working on. Please test out the Article Feedback Tool, as well. The new version just deployed, so any bug reports or feedback will be appreciated by the tech team working on it. And of course, don't forget to check in on the students, give them constructive feedback, praise them for positive contributions, award them {{tl|The WikiPen}} if they are doing excellent work, and so on. And if you haven't done so, make sure any students you are mentoring are listed on your [[Wikipedia:Online Ambassadors/Mentors|mentor profile]]. Thanks! --[[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)|talk]]) 18:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC) <!-- EdwardsBot 0120 --> == WikiProject United States Public Policy: [[Communications Act of 1934]] == I heard you are our group mentor. Now, our group is going to update the information about Communications Act of 1934. I'm looking for an act had conflict with Communications Act of 1934 because I want to add some details of the Act of 1934. Do you know any act had conflict with the Act of 1934?? I tried to do googling to find that but I could find the revision of the Act of 1934 only. Could you give me the way to find the act I'm looking for if you do not know about it? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nalihero|Nalihero]] ([[User talk:Nalihero|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nalihero|contribs]]) 22:58, 15 March 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :: Hi! I changed your heading so we'll all recognize it, and collect our posts under it, adding them below. (Btw, sign your posts here or at any Talkpage automatically by adding four tildes [ <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> ] at the end.)--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 01:33, 16 March 2011 (UTC) ::Let me give you a hint about your Watchlist, You'll want all pages you edit to appear automatically on your watchlist when you select it: select "my preferences", then choose Watchlist, and make sure you've checked the box "Add pages I edit to my watchlist": hell, why not check "Add pages I create to my watchlist". You'll be keeping track of all your Wikipedia edits for your course, and this is how to do it.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 01:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC) ::Now, though I can't help you much with the actual ''content'' of your edits, on which you're all being graded and where I'm no expert, I'd suggest that, according to the article [[Communications Act of 1934]], the [[Telecommunications Act of 1996]] modified it. You three should read the full text of the 1934 Act (or its official abstract)-- I found the on-line text in the article'sfirst reference-- and edit a clear brief summary of it into the article, which currently has only a skeleton outline; compare the 1994 Act to see just how the former act has been modified, and make that a section of your article. The 1934 Act "replaced the [[Federal Radio Commission]] with the [[Federal Communications Commission]]": now, looking at those articles (which you may want to modify, for credit), what was the difference? i.e., what was the original ''effect'' of the 1934 Act? What about the unsuccessful CelAntenna suit (what was its date anyway?) and the [[Safe Prisons Communications Act]] that I see mentioned? Are there legit questions at [[Talk:Communications Act of 1934]] that one of you guys should respond to, when you have useful answers? All this I get merely from reading the article [[Communications Act of 1934]], which you three probably want to establish as a [[Wikipedia: Good Article]], yes?--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 01:33, 16 March 2011 (UTC) :::Wetman, sorry I am a little late to the game, but I am a notorious procrastinator. I am glad to see that you are our mentor and can help us along with this project. If I have any questions I will make sure I come to you. Thank you [[User:Schlaude|Schlaude]] ([[User talk:Schlaude|talk]]) 01:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC) ::::You're not late at all. Hello! My remarks just above are for all of you.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 01:57, 16 March 2011 (UTC) ::Some days ago I made two edits to [[Communications Act of 1934]], in the Wikipedian way, not knowing anything but ''what I was reading''. Link to the article, then choose "page history": there's the whole transparent history! Mark the boxes next to my edits and "compare selected revisions" to get the "''diff''", that is the difference between versions. See the combined edits I made. I figured "Virgin" was vandalism and deleted it, an easy call. I also made a query to editors (like you all) invisibly. so it doesn't mark up the public text (it's "commented-out" in Wikispeak). The html for this is <nowiki><!--text--></nowiki>. I find this is a more direct way to ask an editor for clarification of a specific point that can be silently edited than a post at [[Talk:Communications Act of 1934]], inviting commentary. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 02:08, 16 March 2011 (UTC) == Service award level == <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:9px;" class="plainlinks"> [[File:Award-star-gold-3d.png|120px|left]] There has been a major revision of the the '''[[WP:SERVICE|Service Awards]]''': the edit requirements for the higher levels have been greatly reduced, to make them reasonably attainable.<br><br>Because of this, your Service Award level has been changed, and you are now eligible for a higher level. I have taken the liberty of updating your award on your user page. {{clear}} </div><!-- Template:Saupdate --> {{clear}} </div> [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 02:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC) ==[[User:Jaobar|Professor Obar]] Concerns== Got a message about an hour ago from Professor Obar of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Media and Telecommunication Policy spring 2011 (Obar)|Media and Telecommunication Policy]] project and I think it is viewed best in full: <blockquote>Can you please communicate to the online mentors that I DO NOT want them moving student material into the main space for them. This is a big problem. I have noticed that this has happened with a number of the projects already, for example, in the broadband.gov article and the media cross-ownership article. We need the students to be doing this on their own, of course so they can learn how to do it, and also so that I can grade what they've done. How am I supposed to follow student submissions if the data is associated with online mentors? A BIG PROBLEM ALREADY... please help me with this. None of you responded to my post about this on the discussion page. This is about to get out of hand. Jaobar (talk) 05:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)</blockquote> With that, of course, please only give instructions on how to move, don't do it for them. Please only let them know what to do and let them do it themselves. If they run into problems, provide further instructions. '''Do not it for them.''' This seems to be making a mess of Prof. Obar's grading system and I would like to avoid that. Thanks. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:#900;">Neutralhomer</span>]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:Black;">Talk</span>]] • [[Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Media and Telecommunication Policy spring 2011 (Obar)|<span style="color:#18453b;">Coor. Online Amb'dor</span>]] • 06:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)</small> == ''Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter'': 21 March 2011 == {{Wikipedia:Ambassadors/Newsletter/3/Deliverable}} <small>Delivered by [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 22:28, 21 March 2011 (UTC) </small> <!-- EdwardsBot 0123 --> ==Once the Bechstein's pawned== There's a dubious list being created here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stately_home#List_of_English_Stately_Homes], you might wish to comment on the talk page - I am already there, but not making much headway. Even if the term were acceptable and encyclopedic, is a "home" still a "home" - let alone "stately" when it has been a school since the 1920s, an army college or a prison - somehow I doubt it. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User_talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 21:45, 24 March 2011 (UTC) :This editor is also active at [[Arabesque]] (see below) btw - in fact those are his main articles. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 20:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC) == [[Arabesque]] == You might care to revisit the talk page here, starting with [[Talk:Arabesque_%28Islamic_art%29#The_ordinary_meaning_of_.22arabesque.22_in_ornament|your last contribution in 2006]] (though the article has greatly changed). Then, perhaps after a stiff drink, [[Arabesque (European art)]]. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC) ::This is not my field at all, so I won't interfere, but can one of you just answer me a question. I always think of "Arabesque" as mostly dodgy interior decoration (louche setees and shades of the harem) so if I had been asked to choose an image as representative of Arabesque. I would gave said [[:File:Moorish Kiosk at Linderhof.JPG|this was a good example]] - am I right or wrong. Damn annoying if I have been under a misaprehension all these years; I thought the real thing was called Islamic or Byzantine. Good job my architectural writings stays firmly those influenced by my fellow countrymen. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User_talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 18:44, 28 March 2011 (UTC) :::I'd have to say wrong for that one, though it's a fun style for the spare bedroom. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 19:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC) ::::I had a feeling it may be. One should always know one's limitations and mine (my wife informs me) is interior decoration - so no news to me there. Just spotted your comment above - I feel on safer ground there, what a coincidence -it's a small world, isn't it? [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User_talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 21:15, 28 March 2011 (UTC) :::::Yes the "Moorish taste" of the 19th century is not the "arabesque" of historical European design. Peter Ward-Jackson wrote an article on the arabesque in decorative design for an early (1970s) issue of the ''Bulletin of the Victoria and Albert Museum''. Editing his statements into the article [[[[Arabesque (European art)]] might clarify it. It's somebody's hobby page, I sense, so I dare not touch it.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 00:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC) == MSU TC 210 Assignment 8 == Wetman, I am very new to using Wikipedia and still very inefficient when trying to add new content to the website. I have about 500 words to add the Michigan State University page about the Kellogg Hotel and Conference Center, but am thinking about making the Kellogg Center its own page. I was wondering if you could guide me with making the Kellogg Centers page add adding a few citations to my information. Thank you, Derek Schlau / [[User:Schlaude|Schlaude]] ([[User talk:Schlaude|talk]]) 15:49, 21 April 2011 (UTC) ::This is the best way to go. Add your brief section at [[Michigan State University]] or perhaps more relevantly, to [[Campus of Michigan State University]], with a subheading <nowiki>===Kellogg Hotel and Conference Center===</nowiki>. The first time the name comes up in your text, put the pair of square brackets round [[Kellogg Hotel and Conference Center]]. Then copy the whole text and hold it. Reduce the version at [[Campus of Michigan State University]] to a concise summary, maybe just a sentence or two. Preview then save your work. Now, click on the red link you've just made and paste your held text into your new article. Now you'll need to select a category and add your citations using the <nowiki><ref>[url + title]</ref></nowiki>. The formula <nowiki> ==Notes== {{Reflist}} </nowiki> will display your notes. Remember to log in with your MSU seminar leader this and all edits you make, for credit!--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 22:47, 24 April 2011 (UTC) == ''Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter'': 22 April 2011 == {{Wikipedia:Ambassadors/Newsletter/4/Deliverable}} <small>Delivered by [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 16:38, 22 April 2011 (UTC) </small> <!-- EdwardsBot 0134 --> == Greek history and Etruscans == Hello, I see that you are interested in Greek History from your Wiki User page. So thought would be nice to know if you have a collection of sorts for links on Etruscan-Greek cross influence and history? Of course not just in Wikipedia. Would appreciate any help here. Thanks and regards [[User:Hangakiran|Hangakiran]] ([[User talk:Hangakiran|talk]]) 14:40, 25 April 2011 (UTC ) :But every book on Etruscans relates Etruscan culture, such as we know it, to Greek.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 15:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC) == Please help assess articles for Public Policy Initiative research == Hi {{PAGENAME}}, Your work as an Online Ambassador is making a big contribution to Wikipedia. Right now, we're trying to measure just how much student work improves the quality of Wikipedia. If you'd like contribute to this research and get a firsthand look at the quality improvement that is happening through the project, please sign up to assess articles. Assessment is happening now, just use the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_Public_Policy/Assessment#How_to_use_the_Quantitative_Metric|quantitative metric]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_Public_Policy/Assessment/Student_Post_test_2.1|start assessing]]! Your help would be hugely appreciated! Thank you, [[User:ARoth (Public Policy Initiative)|ARoth (Public Policy Initiative)]] ([[User talk:ARoth (Public Policy Initiative)#top|talk]]) 17:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC) <!-- EdwardsBot 0139 --> == Wikipedia Ambassador sweatshirt == Hi! This is the last call for signing on for a Wikipedia Ambassador hooded sweatshirt (in case you missed the earlier message in one of the program newsletters about it). If you would like one, please email me with your name, mailing address, and (US) sweatshirt size. We have a limited number left, so it will be first-come, first-served. (If more than one size would work for you, note that as well.) Cheers, [[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)|talk]]) 19:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC) <!-- EdwardsBot 0142 --> == Hello == How are you ? Well I have spent some time upgrading the [[Jaffna]] article and would like to know, whether you could look into it from CE point of view, if you had the time. Much appreciated for your help as always. Thanks [[User:Kanatonian|Kanatonian]] ([[User talk:Kanatonian|talk]]) 20:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC) ==DYK nomination of Jean-Pierre Latz== [[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Jean-Pierre Latz]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''{{T:TDYK|Jean-Pierre Latz|your nomination's entry}}''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! <!--Template:DYKproblem--> <font face="Palatino, Georgia, serif"> — [[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<font color="#194D00">Mr. Stradivarius</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|<font color="#0F0073">♫</font>]]}</font> 18:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC) == Re: Best Soul Gospel Performance, Male or Female == 1990 is correct (see [[Grammy Awards of 1990]]). The award was presented in 1990 for albums and songs released in 1989, hence the discrepancy. --<font color="navy">[[User:Another Believer|Another Believer]]</font> _{(<font color="cc6600">[[User talk:Another Believer|Talk]]</font>)} 18:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC) == Please take the Wikipedia Ambassador Program survey == Hi Ambassador, We are at a pivotal point in the development of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program. Your feedback will help shape the program and role of Ambassadors in the future. Please take this 10 minute survey to help inform and improve the Wikipedia Ambassadors. WMF will de-identify results and make them available to you. According to KwikSurveys' privacy policy: "Data and email addresses will not be sold, rented, leased or disclosed to 3rd parties." This link takes you to the online survey: http://kwiksurveys.com?u=WPAmbassador_talk Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments, Thank You! [[User:ARoth (Public Policy Initiative)|Amy Roth (Research Analyst, Public Policy Initiative)]] ([[User talk:ARoth (Public Policy Initiative)|talk]]) 20:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC) <!-- EdwardsBot 0144 --> == Thank you == Thank you for your DYK review of ''[[Skipping Towards Gomorrah]]''. You may be interested to note that there is a related article that I recently created, the new article ''[[Savage Love: Straight Answers from America's Most Popular Sex Columnist]]''. I posted notices about its creation to the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects. ;) Cheers, -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 05:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC) *'''Update:''' User {{user|Drrll}} tagged this article as "advert"; I removed the tag as there was zero explanation given on the talk page. What are your thoughts on this action? -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 09:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC) :Eh, nevermind for now, I will wait to see if the user attempts to explain at the article's talk page. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 09:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC) ::Though most books are suitable subjects for articles, that editor may have noted your posting to 6 pages about it and read that as spam.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 17:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC) :::Ah, incorrect. I was posting to talk pages of WikiProjects, to allow for community input! Quite the opposite. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 17:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC) ::::"Incorrect" indeed.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 17:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC) :::::Thank you! -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 17:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC) ==DYK for Jean-Pierre Latz== {{tmbox |style = notice |small = |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#30 May 2011|30 May 2011]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Jean-Pierre Latz]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that '''[[Jean-Pierre Latz]]''', like several other very prominent ''[[ébéniste]]s'' in 18th-century [[Paris]], was born in [[Germany]]?'' You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201105/Jean-Pierre_Latz quick check])</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]]. }} [[WP:Did you know|The DYK project]] ([[T:TDYK|nominate]]) 16:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC) == Peer review requested == ''re:'' [[Eastern span replacement of the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge]] cc: [[User:Wetman]], [[User:Giggett]], [[User:Sam]] Your peer review is requested. I think that that this article has reached a point of stability and needs little to bring it up to "A" status (currently "B"), probably mostly a check of the external links for link rot. Other than that, which I and Giggett will do, would you care to review for tone, presentation, order, grammar, layout, style, etc. etc.?. One thing I am concerned about is that any change in status will attract image size ***, who will change the images to unreadable postage stamp size (after months of careful "magazine" layout, or who will object to the major sectionalization (after much work and consideration by myself and another editor, this was quickly undone by a previously unseen editor but also quickly reverted by myself), etc. I would like to maintain this high level status until bridge opening in 2013 and then go for FA status. Your assistance this effort will be appreciated. Please forward to any editors you think worthy of the invitation, particularly those of a technical, structural, or architectural inclination. It is my personal belief that this structure will rank among the most significant modern structural+artistic achievements alongside the works of [[Santiago_Calatrava]], [[Frank Lloyd Wright]], and particularly, [[Jørn Utzon]] ([[Sydney Opera House]]), despite the fact that there is no single big name personality dominating this design. Thanks, [[User:Leonard G.|Leonard G.]] ([[User talk:Leonard G.|talk]]) 23:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC) <nowiki>***</nowiki> (Fill in your favorite pejorative term here) ==DYK for Jones's Wood== {{tmbox |style = notice |small = |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#6 June 2011|6 June 2011]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Jones's Wood]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that '''[[Jones's Wood]]''', a wooded estate on the island of [[Manhattan]] overlooking the [[East River]], was touted as a site for what became [[Central Park]]?'' You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201106/Jones%27s_Wood quick check])</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]]. }} [[User:Materialscientist|Materialscientist]] ([[User talk:Materialscientist|talk]]) 08:05, 6 June 2011 (UTC) == Copied solar tracker article == Hi Wetman: Could you take a look at this - we have an external use that appears to violate our license terms. [[User_talk:Anmclarke#Copied_solar_tracker_article]] Thanks, [[User:Leonard G.|Leonard G.]] ([[User talk:Leonard G.|talk]]) 22:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC) :Do you know where I can find the boilerplate for a polite letter? - [[User:Leonard G.|Leonard G.]] ([[User talk:Leonard G.|talk]]) 01:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC) ::Perhaps one of the lurkers here may know.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 15:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Wetman, some years ago, you pointed out on [[Talk:Canonical]], that that article really should be a wiktionary article. I agree that it is not encyclopedic, so I recently rewrote it as a disambiguation page. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Canonical&action=historysubmit&diff=435075367&oldid=434989155 An anon reverted.] Would you care to look in on this? Thanks, --[[User:Macrakis|Macrakis]] ([[User talk:Macrakis|talk]]) 21:57, 19 June 2011 (UTC) == [[Wrotham Park Lodge]] == Btw, this is up for speedy deletion. [[User:Simply south|Simply]][[User talk:Simply south| south]]....[[User:Simply south/Poem|..]] ''digging mountains for [[WP:Editor review/Simply south 5|5 years]]'' 13:23, 7 July 2011 (UTC) [[File:Sud afrika.JPG|thumb|upright|]] ==[[Curzon Street Baroque]]== I discovered for the first time this term the other day. Have you heard of it before? I've added it to a page here [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Upton_House,_Warwickshire&curid=3219500&diff=438408639&oldid=438408459] and it does get a few google hits - it's the style I "sort of" have at home - perhaps you too, but did not realise it had a name - I wondered if you have any concrete books and sources to found a page on - I don't care for pages founded solely on google hits. What do you think? [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 17:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC) ::[[Osbert Lancaster]] invented the term, along with "Stockbroker Tudor" and "Pont Street Dutch" --in ''From Pillar to Post'', I think. I should have had my grandmother's copy but never got it, so I haven't seen the book since ca 1960. Should "Curzon Street Baroque" be a section of [[Baroque Revival]]? You're getting there, I surmise, via the Rex Whistler bath at [[Upton House, Warwickshire]]. Osbert Lancaster's cartoon of an eclectic 20s ''interior'' though isn't as vivid as, say this detail of [[South Africa House]].--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 18:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC) :::*I have passed South Africa House a bilion times (most recently this afternoon) and never noticed it really. The [[Bank of England]] I always marvel at - a palace on top of a palace, but I'd never seen, until you drew my atention to it, that SA House pulls the same trick. Yes, Upton House I saw a few days ago - sadly, not enough there for me to write it up, too altered and not a lot of documentation - amazing art colection though; it must have been fun being rich in the early 20th century all that stuff could be still acquired by a private collector with a few dollars to spare. Osbert lancaster also coined the term "Bankers' Georgian" - I think I wil try and acquite a copy of "Pillar to Post" is sounds just my thing. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 21:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC) ::PS:next door to SA House is the "Texas Embassy"; it was years before I realsied that Texas did not have an embassy and it was a restaurant! [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 21:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC) :::Yes, you'll get a huge charge out of the Lancaster book. Didn't I recommend it you a couple of years back? Try eBay: what a resource! -- == I am looking for an opinion == An image of the [[Pullman Memorial Universalist Church]] appeared as an example of [[Richardsonian Romanesque]] on that page. They say "if the cap fits, wear it." Do you think that this cap fits? Einar aka [[User:Carptrash|Carptrash]] ([[User talk:Carptrash|talk]]) 05:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC) :Hmm. The article's outsized image gallery with briefest captions is too lazy to be useful to the reader, in my opinion. The Richardsonian Romanesque elements in each illustrated example really should be identified in related text, and extraneous, non-Richardsonian-- and even non-Romanesque-- elements identified too. This would be harassed though as "original research" so I have no easy solution. The overall rustication, strips of windows, embedded tower, massive crossing clerestory, are all good Richardsonian elements in the Pullman design I'd say. Yes? But you'd never mistake it for an H.H. Richardson design. There's a [[Romanesque Revival]] article too; this example would be better there. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 07:32, 22 July 2011 (UTC) Thanks. (Better late than never} Einar aka [[User:Carptrash|Carptrash]] ([[User talk:Carptrash|talk]]) 18:17, 28 July 2011 (UTC) :::You're never late, Einar.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 23:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC) == Ambassador Program: assessment drive == Even though it's been quiet on-wiki, the Wikipedia Ambassador Program has been busy over the last few months getting ready for the next term. We're heading toward over 80 classes in the US, across all disciplines. You'll see courses start popping up [[Wikipedia:Ambassadors/Courses#2011_Q3_.28upcoming.29|here]], and this time we want to match one or more Online Ambassadors to each class based on interest or expertise in the subject matter. If you see a class that you're interested, please contact the professor and/or me; the sooner the Ambassadors and professors get in communication, the better things go. Look for more in the coming weeks about next term. In the meantime, with a little help I've identified [[User:Sross (Public_Policy)/Courses/Articles|all the articles students did significant work on in the last term]]. Many of the articles have never been assessed, or have ratings that are out of date from before the students improved them. '''Please help assess them!''' Pick a class, or just a few articles, and give them a rating (and add a relevant WikiProject banner if there isn't one), and then update the list of articles. Once we have updated assessments for all these articles, we can get a better idea of how quality varied from course to course, and which approaches to running Wikipedia assignments and managing courses are most effective. --[[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)#top|talk]]) 17:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC) <!-- EdwardsBot 0159 --> == Zibellino == Is this the "studio of Bronzino" potrait of [[:File:Isabella de' Medici 02.jpg|Isabella de' Medici with a zibellino]], do you suppose? The [http://www.palazzo-medici.it/mediateca/it/schede.php?id_scheda=120&sezione=1 source] suggests Allori, but not with any certainty. - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 23:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC) :Yes, that's the one. I was merely going by the source I gave, which isn't art history. Want to add it to the article and to [[Isabella de' Medici]]?--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 23:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC) ::Yep. - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 00:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC) == Online Ambassadors: Time to join pods == Hello! If you're planning to be an active Online Ambassador for the upcoming academic term, now is the time to join one or more pods. (A pod consists of the instructor, the Campus Ambassadors, and the Online Ambassadors for single class.) The [[Wikipedia:United_States_Education_Program/MOU|Memorandum of Understanding]] (MOU) explains the expectations for being part of a pod as an Online Ambassador. (The [[Wikipedia:Canada_Education_Program/MOU|MOU for pods in Canada]] is essentially the same.) In short, the role of Online Ambassadors this term consists of: *Working closely with the instructor and Campus Ambassadors, providing advice and perspective as an experienced Wikipedian *Helping students who ask for it (or helping them to find the help they need) *Watching out for the class as a whole *Helping students to get community feedback on their work This replaces the 1-on-1 mentoring role for Online Ambassadors that we had in previous terms; rather than being responsible for individual students (some of whom don't want or help or are unresponsive), Online Ambassadors will be there to help whichever students in their class(es) ask for help. You can browse the upcoming courses here: [[Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses|United States]]; [[Wikipedia:Canada Education Program/Courses|Canada]]. More are being added as new pods become active and create their course pages. Once you've found a class that you want to work with&mdash;especially if you some interest or expertise in the topic area&mdash;you should sign the MOU listing for that class and get in touch with the instructor. We're hoping to have at least two Online Ambassadors per pod, and more for the larger classes. If you're up for supporting any kind of class and would like me to assign you to a pod in need of more Online Ambassadors, just let me know. --[[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)#top|talk]]) 16:37, 19 August 2011 (UTC) PS: There are still a lot of [[User:Sross (Public Policy)/Courses/Articles|student articles from the last term]] that haven't been rated. Please rate a few and update the list! <!-- EdwardsBot 0164 --> ===Pod suggestions=== Hi Wetman! I'm in the process of trying to find Online Ambassadors to support each of the classes for this coming term, and I want to recommend a couple to you: [[Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses/Berkeley Sociology Poverty Course (Sandra Smith)]] and [[Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses/Theories of the State (Erik Olin Wright)]]. If you're up for it, please check out the Memorandum of Understanding (linked above) which sketches the expectations for Online Ambassadors this term, and then you can [[Wikipedia:United_States_Education_Program/MOU/sign|sign on to a class]] and get in touch with the professor. If there's another class you'd rather support (or if you're up for joining more than one pod), feel free! We're shooting for at least about 2 Online Ambassadors for each class.--[[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)|talk]]) 16:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC) :One other that might appeal to your interests: [[Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses/Art and Terrorism (Diane Apostolos-Cappadona)]] --[[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)|talk]]) 16:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC) ==[[Edward Solly]]== Happy to help. Thanks for asking; interesting article. [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 16:04, 24 August 2011 (UTC) :But, thank ''you''. I thought the subject would interest you. ==Question== Hi. Have you come across the term ''[[Virgo inter Virgines]]''. I found it in some specualtion as to what the lost center panel of Campin's Werl triptych might have contained, but cannot find a definition, or even anything, at least in my limited books or the interwebs. The sentence is "...[might have] provided the setting for a ''Virgo inter Virgines''". [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 21:33, 26 August 2011 (UTC) :No it's not an iconographic subject I know; but I see at Googlescholar that " Works of art that depict the Virgin and Christ Child surrounded by Early Christian virgin martyrs were produced in significant numbers in Northern Europe," according to a dissertaion by SE Weed, ''The Virgo inter virgines: Art and the devotion to virgin saints in the Low Countries and Germany, 1400--1530'' University of Pennsylvania, 2002. Van Eyck and Gerard David both treated the them, I see. And there's a "Master of the Virgo inter Virgines". Google it at Google scholar.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 20:31, 27 August 2011 (UTC) ::We have a [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Virgo_inter_Virgines commons category], which contains just female-only sacra conversationes, though there are also images, perhaps derived from St Ursula & her 1,000 virgins, of the Virgin & Child surrounded by an anonymous scrum of girls, like this beautiful one in the Morgan Library [http://www.flickr.com/photos/28433765@N07/5762625662/], also [http://www.casa-in-italia.com/artpx/flem/images/David_Rouen_Virgo_inter_virgines.JPG this] somewhat intermediate painting, also Gerard David, in Rouen. I don't think all the virgins here have specific identities. I suppose i'll have to do an article some time; it should be a redlink. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 12:37, 28 August 2011 (UTC) == [[Mutiny at Sucro]] == If you have time could you look over [[Mutiny at Sucro]], an article I recently started. Thanks.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 22:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC) :Great improvements you made to the article. Thanks.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 16:45, 9 September 2011 (UTC) ::It's a while since I heard from you. Glad you're still on the project. How could this story not already be covered by a Wikipedia article, eh? A passing brief notice in [[Second Punic War]] would tie the new article more firmly into the broader fabric. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 16:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC) ::: Followed up on your suggestion. Great idea! You will never guess where I came across this - or maybe you could.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 19:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC) ::: Livy of course! Did you know that Petrarch idolized this historian. I guess he used Livy for his source of [[Africa (Petrarch)|Africa]] and [[De Viris Illustribus (Petrarch)|De Viris Illustribus]]. As you know [[Africa (Petrarch)|Africa]] is about the Second Punic War. Petrarch was crowned poet laureate in 1341 for his epic poem about Scipio Africanus. Petrarch's ''Africa'' is taken directly from Livy's extensive Roman work of the [[Ab Urbe Condita (book)|"Foundation of the City"]] Books 21 to 30. [[Mutiny at Sucro]] is in Book 28.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 19:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC) ::: What I find fasinating is the rebels' insignia they had on their arms. The way I am getting it is that the rebels at Sucro had an arm insignia of "fasces and axes" which was a representation of death. I am understanding the story then that they had to remove their insignia when they made a new alliance to Rome after they were scolded in a long speech by Africanus for high treason.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 21:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC) ::::The fasces binding the axe were/are a symbol of the power of the state over life and death. They had to renounce their own mutinous appropriation of the power behind the symbols, in putting the symbols of power aside.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 16:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC) ::::: Sounds typical of what I would imagine rebels would do.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 18:07, 10 September 2011 (UTC) ::: Well, I must confess. I originally found the Mutiny at Sucro material in 3 large chapters in a 400 year old book (2011 - 400 = 1611) written in England. The referenced material was originally researched and written by Polybius however, then followed by Livy and others. It later was translated from Latin into English, which book I found. I was told not to reveal the book, however if you want to look over the 3 chapters just e-mail me and I will forward. Can not put it on Wikipedia.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 22:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC) ::: I am finding also in this book material on Andobales and Mandonius (Indibilis and Mandonius), especially pertaining to Inbidilis's daughters and Mandonius's wife. Maybe IF (big if) I can find enough sources I perhaps might write up an article on them. Do you have any ideas, especially in Primary Sources? I think I have all there is in Polybius and Livy which isn't much (or perhaps I have overlooked some and didn't see more). I would think there is some ancient sources somewhere since this old book talks alot of them and seem to think they play a big role in Scipio Africanus's life. I'll keep studying Polybius and Livy meanwhile and see if I can find more. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 00:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC) ::::If you can edit together what you find concerning [[Andobales]] in Polybius and Livy, you'll have done the job, I think. Double-check modern general references and prosopographies just to be sure.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 14:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC) === Punishment === Going a little further on the Mutiny at Sucro, it says at the end of Livy 28:29 ''These were stripped to the waist and conducted into the middle of the assembly; all the apparatus of punishment was at once brought out; they were tied to the stake, scourged and finally beheaded.'' I am interested in the word "scourged" and IF in this case it would have something to do with a punishment related to burning.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 19:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC) :No, scourging is whipping.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 01:09, 15 September 2011 (UTC) ::Great! I asked the Reference Desk and they lead me to [[Scourge]], which is what you say as whipping. I didn't know this and it is new to me. Apparently Jesus was scourged. The next chapter I am reading in this old book is revealing to me how ironic it is that the insignia the mutineers chose of fasces ("death") is what happened to the ringleaders. It is revealing to me in detail the punishment the ringleaders received. It appears the information for this chapter was obtained from Livy 28:29. It is talking about these instigators/ringleaders and the similitude of burning. At first I thought this was burning at the stake, however I now see the author really means the burning from being whipped. I got confused with the stake. It tells how these ringleaders were captured the night before and put into shackles and then brought out to the forum the next morning where they were punished and beheaded. I see that the author must have felt this event relating to the mutiny at Sucro was a very important event in Scipio Africanus's life to devote so many chapters on this. Thanks for answers and much thanks for improving the last two articles I started. I see now that Mutiny at Sucro is a DYK and on the main page.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 12:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC) :::Oh cool!--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 14:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC) :::::From what I remember of my Jesuit childhood and forced studying of the lives (and more often deaths) of the saints, it's a particularly nasty form of flogging - small flints were tied into the knoted leather and it was usually a prelude to something even more grusome, usually involving red hot pincers and/or grid irons. I expect in this day and age some people pay for and enjoy the experience. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 18:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC) :::::: see [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#Ancient Roman punishment]] in the middle for an excellent detailed explanation off the Latin by [[User:Gx872op]].--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 18:23, 15 September 2011 (UTC) :::::: From further answers of above link it looks like this further new chapter I am reading is being revealed to me correctly.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 19:19, 15 September 2011 (UTC) :::::: Here is how I am seeing certain sentences in the chapter I am reading now of the old book: It talks of the mutiny instigators/ringleaders being called their names and they went to "the similitude of burning". Which I have now figured out was being tied to a stake then whipped that stung very much, liking to burning. Now here is what is really cool - [[List of biblical names starting with D|the biblical meaning for Damascus]]. You'll be surprised how many times Damascus is used. The chapter continues and describes that they were brought to the forum and beheaded. This all seems to be coming off Livy 28:29 which to me is really cool.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 12:32, 16 September 2011 (UTC) :::::: Here is an example of what I am reading: 7 ''And the men (mutineers) which journeyed with them (ringleaders) stood speechless, saying no voice and seeing some beheaded bodies.'' This is where it appears to come from of Livy 28:29 '' The spectators were so benumbed by terror that no voice was raised against the severity of the punishment, not even a groan was heard.'' Seems like one and the same to me.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 15:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC) === Fasces === [[File:National Guard Bureau (insignia).svg|thumb|]] Would the fasces normally just have one axe or perhaps a winged pair of axes in the 3rd century BC?--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 23:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC) :A double-headed axe, not winged I don't think, but I don't know such an early visual representation.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 01:09, 15 September 2011 (UTC ::I'm wrong about "double-headed".--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 01:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC)) ::: After further investigating, apparently the construction of the fasces involved a single axe. However in the chapter I am reading it definitely describes the rebel insignia as that of the fasces and as being "winged". Now in my mind this could be as the Insignia of the National Guard Bureau of the United States of America shows. Possibly their insignia had a crossed pair similar to this. Intesesting what [[List of biblical names starting with T|the biblical word meaning of Tarsus is]]. Cool stuff isn't it.....--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 12:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC) :::: Interesting. Remember that the ancient city of [[Tarsus, Mersin]] still bore a Hittite name, that was transliterated into Greek then Latin. So connections with "winged" would have to be in the [[Hittite language]] for them to be real, not simply coincidences of sound.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 15:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC) ::::: I don't disagree with you, assuming you are referring to about 2000 years ago. I do believe you have hit on my point exactly. Assuming all this that I am deciphering was written some 2000 years ago, how is it that I can get details on the Mutiny at Sucro from it. Lets say it was written originally some 2000 years ago in ancient Greek, then recopied a bazillion times by various different copiest for some 500 years before it is translated from Greek into Latin. When it translated from Greek into Latin I can imagine much was lost in translation. Then it is copied and recopied a bazillion more times (keeping in mind how much information is added or subtracted by each copiest each time distorting the original information). Now around the 14th century it is translated from Latin into [[Medieval English]], again losing much of the original information. Then it is recopied again a few more times until the printing press comes along, which slows down the inaccuracies. Now I get the 1611 version and see the Mutiny of Sucro in detail (example sentence in Punishment above). The points I see are pretty close to Livy material. Perhaps the Tarsus you describe and the Tarsus I describe are two different animals. The Tarsus I see is only a definition, as is Damascus above. When I fill in these definitions and follow certain rules in the deciphering process I get the Mutiny at Sucro story and other stories that relate to Scipio Africanus. To me something isn't quite right about this. It should be so scrambled from all the translations and recopying that it shouldn't have anything that resembles any story following any set of rules. It should be nothing but a scrambled mess, however I get exact stories with details that are accurate. Like I say, I found the Mutiny at Sucro and Indibilis and Mandonius originally from this deciphering. I knew nothing of this until it was revealed to me this way. Apparently no other Wikipedian knew of this either, since there was no articles on these. Then researching this of course I came up with references to write up articles, mostly coming from Livy and Polybius.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 18:51, 16 September 2011 (UTC) ::::: There are 4 large chapters dedicated to [[Mutiny at Sucro]] that only a person with much study on Scipio Africanus would have known. In fact the "book" describes that this person wrote these chapters AFTER the matter on [[Africa (disambiguation)|Africa]]. If you want to e-mail me I could forward the 4 chapters to you. I prefer not to give out any more details here on Wikipedia.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 21:45, 16 September 2011 (UTC) :::::: You can get an overview of the reconstructed history of manuscript transmission of Livy's text from the introduction to the opening volume in [[Loeb Classical Library]]. Lots of Livy is missing, of course. A concise version of it would be good at the Wikipedia Livy article.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 23:12, 16 September 2011 (UTC) ::::::: You always come up with the greatest ideas.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 14:59, 17 September 2011 (UTC) ==[[Indibilis and Mandonius]]== If you have time could you look over [[Indibilis and Mandonius]], an article I recently started. Thanks.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 13:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC) :Was the Hanno at the [[Battle of Cissa]] [[Hanno, son of Bomilcar]]? If so, the link should be made. I did make a few minor copy edits. Very interesting stuff, Doug.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 13:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC) :: Yes. According to Polybius 3.42 ''[http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/3*.html ...giving them native guides and placing them under the command of Hanno, the son of Bomilcar the Suffete. ]'' Thanks for the editing and comments. Like I said, you'll never guess where I stumbled across Indibilis and Mandonius. I'll continue and see what else is revealed. Thanks again for your help.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 15:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC) ==John of Padua== I've found an enigma. Do you happen to know anything about the enigmatic [[John of Padua]]? Did he exist or was he [[John Thorpe]] do you think? [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 19:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC) : John Summerson calls John of Padua ("Padua" isn't his surname) a "will-o'-the-wisp" called up by [[Horace Walpole]], who assigned to him on the basis of his Italian name and the unique title 'Deviser of Buildings'-- together with Holbein-- the introduction of 'regular' architecture into England. Summerson quashes attributions to John of Padua in a few slightly snide remarks in ''Architecture in Britain 1530-1830'', p. 6 and footnotes. Should I edit Summerson's scepticism into the article? I have no independent opinion, and I don't have the relevant ''King's Works'' volume. : Nice to see you on the job, as it were!--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 00:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC) [[File:Gate of Honour, Gonville & Caius College.jpg|thumb|upright|Porta Honoris, Caius College, Cambridge. No, seriously, there is look of [[:File:ScrotumTowers.jpg|Scrotum Towers]] there - John of Padua is the missing link]] ::The phantom John of Padua first surfaced in the searches of [[George Vertue]] in records of the [[Office of Works]], the poet [[Thomas Gray]] reported to his friend [[Horace Walpole]] (letter of 2 September 1760). Gray prefaces his remarks with the caveat "Mr Vertue's MSS (as I do not doubt you have experienced) will often put you on a false scent." It was Vertue who jumped to the conclusion that John of Padua designed Somerset House and Longleat, Burroughs the Master of [[Caius College]] had told Gray: "That it was from the similitude of style in those buildings and in the ''four gates'' of [[Caius College|Keys College]], he had imagined the latter to be also the work of John of Padua, and this was all the proof he had of it. Upon looking at these gates I plainly see that they might very well be the work of one man. From the College books I find that the east side, in which are the Portae Virtutis and Sapientiae, was built in 1566 and 1576." Gray goes on to quote a Latin entry in the books of 1575, ascribing the design of the Gate of Honour (Porta Honoris]] to Dr Caius himself (''quam Doctor Caius (dum viveret) Architecto praescripserat elaborata''). From this John of Padua appeared in Walpole's ''Anecdotes of Painting'', with the ascription to him of Somerset House and Longleat.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 02:42, 14 September 2011 (UTC) ::*Oh please add something to the page - anything - before I am accused of inventing him for my own nefarious purposes. I have a feeling he may have been involved in the architecture [[User:Ka of Catherine de Burgh/Scrotum Towers|here]]. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 07:25, 14 September 2011 (UTC) ::::I've added the Summerson material. You see that I'm working from my 1963 edition of ''Architecture in Britain''. Does the current ninth edition mention "John of Padua"? If not, that might be added to a footnote. Why, Giano, this is like old times! --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 13:46, 14 September 2011 (UTC) ::*Indeed it is Wetman, your aditions were so nice I gave them top marks on that silly rate this page thing. I gave it full marks and clicked "I am highly knowledgeable about this topic" twice yesterday, so its looking pretty accurate and trustworthy at the moment - one does not really need references at all now. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 19:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC) :::Hehe! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 19:47, 14 September 2011 (UTC) \ ::::Goodness, Giano, there certainly ''is'' a look of old Scrotum about it. Something about the camera angle that makes the dome seem to rise over the pediment like a moon, and the combination of a Gothic pinnacle at left with a triumphal arch motif that is so reminiscent of your great-aunt's back entrance-- er, to the Park at Scrotum I mean. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 15:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC) ::::*And of course the Bonqbustiere Archives will prove that John of Padua was none other than Nauseus the Incontinent, 3rd Earl of Scrotum. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 17:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC) == [[Battle of Cartagena (209 BC)]] == I am confused about the location of [[Mago Barca]] during this battle. Perhaps you understand or perhaps you know of an ancient Roman battle expert. Details are on above article Talk page.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 13:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC) :I'm always in the dark about just what happens ''during'' battles. Perhaps an expert is lurking here. Anyone?--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 16:31, 25 September 2011 (UTC) ::Thanks for reply. Even in the article on [[Mago Barca]] it says: ''Publius Cornelius Scipio the Younger, exploiting the lack of coordination among the Carthaginian generals, and the scattered location of their armies, ended up taking Cartagena in a daring expedition in 209 BC. Mago and his army was 3 days march from Cartagena at that time.'' I'll keep studying it.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 20:42, 25 September 2011 (UTC) :: I do belive I solved the mystery. It turns out the Mago that was in charge of New Carthage was NOT Mago Barca, the brother of Hannibal. [http://books.google.com/books?id=WqzA1NamOfgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Scipio+Africanus+Rome's+greatest+general&hl=en&ei=xDeCTsvcMqjc0QGCid2oAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Hannibal's%20brother&f=false Apparently others got confused on this issue also.] Now it makes more sense in the old book (chapter 5) I am deciphering. I sure am learning a lot about Scipio Africanus and the Second Punic War. Pretty interesting.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 21:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC) == Update on courses and ambassador needs == Hello, Ambassadors! I wanted to give you one last update on where we are this term, before my role as Online Facilitator wraps up at the end of this week. Already, there are over 800 students in U.S. classes who have signed up on course pages this term. 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[[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]] 13:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)</small> |} <!-- EdwardsBot 0122 --> == Titbit of lunacy and Fidelity== The para beginning [[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pDc0_iVECxIC&pg=PR7&dq=feathered+angels&hl=en&ei=WGuoTpKGCc628QOso-nHDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBThG#v=onepage&q=feathered%20angels&f=false "According to.." here]; the next one keeps up the standard. No doubt it's an RS. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 20:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC) Do you have anything to add to [[Fidelity (art and symbolism)]]; I've done some quick points. We don't seem to have a [[:Category:Virtues]]. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 13:48, 28 October 2011 (UTC) Dear Wetman, I and a colleague have edited a Wikipedia article as part of a class assignment, on the following topic [[Privacy Policy]] Could you please comment on our edit and indicate your opinion of the edit? Any commentary is useful. The assignment is due oct.31 so it would be great if you could give us some input before that thank you, (Kanesham 14:33, 28 October 2011 (UTC)) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kanesham|Kanesham]] ([[User talk:Kanesham|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kanesham|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == [[Otium]] == This is my latest article. Feel free to make any improvements. --[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 18:51, 1 November 2011 (UTC) :Expanded article. Any ideas for a DYK hook?--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 11:36, 4 November 2011 (UTC) ::Doug, that may be your best article yet.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2011 (UTC) ::: Wow! Thanks...--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 19:21, 5 November 2011 (UTC) :::: Possibility of a Good Article with a little more work?--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 22:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC) :::: It now has a Class C rating on the WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome project and WikiProject Latin project.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 22:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC) :: I've made it more concise. Does it need more "fine tuning"? Good Article possibility?--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 16:29, 6 November 2011 (UTC) :<s>How do I get an reevaluation through the WikiProject Latin and WikiProject Classical and Rome to get a possible B-Class rating and perhaps a rating in "importance"?</s>--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 21:34, 6 November 2011 (UTC) :: Answered.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 13:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC) ::: Any ideas for further improvement on the article? 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[[User:Mandarax|<font color="green">M<small>AN</small>d<small>ARAX</small></font>]]&nbsp;<font color="blue">•</font>&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandarax|<font color="999900"><small>XAЯA</small>b<small>ИA</small>M</font>]] 10:35, 14 December 2011 (UTC) :When I ran a search here, I was impressed with the number of American artists who studied with him. Good work! Adult culture is beginning to find its weight at Wikipedia. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 17:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC) == Wikipedia Stories Project == Aloha! My name is Victor and I work with the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organization that supports Wikipedia. We're chronicling the inspiring stories of the Wikipedia community around the world, including those from readers, editors, and donors. Stories are absolutely essential for any non-profit to persuade new people to support the cause, and we know the vast network of people who use Wikipedia have so much to share. Until this year, Wikipedia has largely relied upon personal appeals from founder Jimmy Wales to drive our annual fundraising efforts. While effective, these appeals don't convey the incredible diversity of people who've come to rely upon Wikipedia every day. I was referred to you by Philippe Beaudette, who had noticed that you had a great line on your userpage: "I went to Harvard, but you'd never know it: I'm surely not still running on the education I received back then." I'd really like the opportunity to interview you to tell your story, with the possibility of using it in our materials, on our community websites, or as part of this year’s fundraiser to encourage others to support Wikipedia. I'm hoping you will elaborate on your story with me, either over the phone, by Skype, by facebook, by email, or any means you like. Please let me know if you're inclined to take part in the Wikipedia Stories Project and we'll set up a good time to discuss further. Thank you, Victor user:victorgrigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org :Victor, I treasure my anonymity at Wikipedia, every bit as much as I want to preserve a good reputation here for my pseudonym Wetman. The possibility that an extended quote from me, with a personal snapshot, might be used as part of the Wikimedia fund-raising campaign, fills me with dread. My father taught us all quite early on, that if we expected credit for everything we were going to do in life, we'd be bitterly disappointed again and again. That one receives no pay, that one owns no article, gets no credit, is part of the ''zen'' of Wikipedia: bracing and wholesome. :So, ask me what you will, right here, and I'll try to give a frank answer. ::Hoping you'll understand my position. ::[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 20:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification== Hi. 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Thanks, [[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 10:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC) :[[George Haven Putnam]] was intended.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 17:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC) == [[Abraham Lincoln's patent]] == Wetman,<br /> Could you look over this article for copyediting, if you have time? <br /> Thanks!--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 15:56, 30 December 2011 (UTC) :I made just one very trivial edit. That's an interesting subject.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 01:38, 31 December 2011 (UTC) :: Thanks.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 12:31, 31 December 2011 (UTC) == [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[Wesley Critz George]] == [[Image:Ambox warning yellow.svg|left|link=|48px|]] The article [[Wesley Critz George]] has been [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed for deletion]]&#32; because of the following concern: :'''I would use BLP PROD, but this is an old article with no sources. Searching for sources appears to only bring up links to the book and mirrors of wikipedia.''' While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be [[WP:DEL#REASON|deleted for any of several reasons]]. You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your [[Help:edit summary|edit summary]] or on [[Talk:Wesley Critz George|the article's talk page]]. Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion process]], but other [[Wikipedia:deletion process|deletion process]]es exist. In particular, the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion]] process can result in deletion without discussion, and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|articles for deletion]] allows discussion to reach [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for deletion.<!-- Template:Proposed deletion notify --> [[User:Aprock|aprock]] ([[User talk:Aprock|talk]]) 01:16, 5 January 2012 (UTC) :I have deleted the proposal for deletion, having added references from the first of numerous pages concerning W.C. George that result from a search, not at Google, but at [http://scholar.google.com/schhp?hl=en&as_sdt=0,33 Google Scholar]. Articles on authors are not deleted from Wikipedia simply because their ideas are distasteful. The financial support for W.C. George and the sources from whom it came need to be added to this article.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC) ==Methodists!== I discovered this little architectural gem on my travels through Oxfordshire last year, and thought it worth a page, so have just completed [[Burford Methodist Church]]; it could do with a little extra or at least some tidying from your hand. Happy New Year. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 17:49, 5 January 2012 (UTC) :Buon capo d'anno, Giano! Jolly interesting facade. I inserted "colossal" for the pilasters: you should add a statement about the use of a (Baroque) colossal order here. I tweaked the links. Who is this Jordan fellow? How did he come to commission such a front I wonder? --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 18:49, 5 January 2012 (UTC) ::No one seems to know who he was, his only claim to fame seems to have been building his little, but remarkable house in Burford. What was very interesting when we went inside was that it's full of market type antique stalls selling maps (some 16th century ones)- for under £1,000 they seemed genuine too - I do hope so! [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 22:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC) ::*Only I could write about a Methodist church, not mention religion,and still have war break out [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Burford_Methodist_Church]! Trouble just follows me about :-) 23:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC) :Giano, you and Methodism are bound to be an explosive mixture imo. But you are clearly in the right here. Talking of which, it has led me to [[Wentworth Woodhouse]], where the transition between the Baroque west and Palladian East front had become garbled. I've re-instated a sentence from 2007 & messed about a bit, but could someone with the books please check it out. Thanks. Hope you are well Wetman. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 17:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC) ::I've made some edits intended to clarify the building history of [[Wentworth Woodhouse]]. A photo of Ralph Tunnicliffe's "wing" would be a great addition. I shall be at the other end of Yorkshire in May: perhaps I can manage it. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 18:38, 7 January 2012 (UTC) :::Thanks! If you ever get a chance to see the [[Dan Cruickshank]] tv prog mentioned at the bottom, it is well above the average of its sort, & these days about the only way to see inside. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod#top|talk]]) 18:45, 7 January 2012 (UTC) ::I avoid Wentworth Woodhouse for a very good reason. The very name sends me into a fury of rage. I find myself unable to form a sensible paragraph concerning it. I have some amazing private photographs taken in the 1920s and 30s; it was a senseless, wanton and vindictive act of class war, but a sensible letter to the owner may get you inside. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 19:39, 7 January 2012 (UTC) :::I share those feelings: I hope my paragraphs concerning that action are neutral enough in tone. The Socialist coal board also undermined [[Erddig]] during the same time and almost succeeded in destroying it. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC) ::::Like everywhere else in the UK there were several uncategorized photos, from the 50,000 (is it) still uncategorized from the [[Geograph]] donation, & I have added these to Commons, & several to the article. But all are external, & of the East Front or follies. Does [[Pastiglia]] take your fancy? [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 05:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC) Dear Wetman, I am a newbie! This is my first message. I found you on the "Ambassadors" list. I'm a professor of art history and would like to do a project with my students this semester to edit the article, "1795-1820 in Fashion." Would you be our mentor? I chose you because I noticed you had participated in editing that page before. I'll also email you to be sure you get my note. Many thanks, Amelia Rauser (Arauser)[[User:Arauser|Arauser]] ([[User talk:Arauser|talk]]) 19:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC) == request for mentoring! Art history students working on fashion 1795-1820 == Wetman, I see (after leaving my last message) that you don't accept email, so I'll watch this page or see if you leave me a message on this site. If you like, you may email me at: amelia.rauser@fandm.edu Many thanks. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Arauser|Arauser]] ([[User talk:Arauser|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arauser|contribs]]) 19:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :Hi! here I am. How can I help?--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 22:08, 11 January 2012 (UTC) == Editing Fashion 1795-1820 == Is this the right forum/location to talk with you? Let me know. Meanwhile... First, my current idea is to have the students work to improve the Fashion 1795-1820 page. It needs more inline citations, and once we get looking at it we might well see other things, too. I don't want to step on the community's toes by just making the changes. Guidance on etiquette would be helpful. Second, should we register as a "pod" even though this will just be a relatively minor edit project? Third, once we decide what changes we'd like to make, would you be willing to mentor us on the process of editing and the conventions? I think it will be a really helpful exercise for the students to pay close attention to how a subject is discussed and what is involved in making an article scholarly, neutral, and well-supported. Maybe we could have a video chat or two with you. (I teach at Franklin & Marshall College and we don't yet have a campus ambassador.) [[User:Arauser|Arauser]] ([[User talk:Arauser|talk]]) 02:24, 12 January 2012 (UTC) ::Can we begin right here? My sense is that an actively improving article acts as a better magnet for informed interest than a "pod". My most basic advice is, not to edit into an article what you 'know', which may be objected to as [[Wikipedia:No original research|"Original Research"]]. Instead, begin with entering the gist of an excellent article, referencing it with the <nowiki><ref name=""/></nowiki> convention, perhaps including a particularly succinct quote, of the period or later, that illuminates a point. Go to [[1795–1820 in fashion]] now, and put it on your watchlist, so that you'll be alerted whenever changes are made. Scan the talkpage, [[Talk:1795–1820 in fashion]], to get up to speed on issues concerning that article, and use it for focused questions for the group of editors actively interested in the subject. I've put the article on my own Watchlist, to join the discussion there, as well as here. So we're begun, as simply as that! --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:37, 12 January 2012 (UTC) Thank you! I will think about all this and get started as you suggest. More soon. [[User:Arauser|Arauser]] ([[User talk:Arauser|talk]]) 14:22, 13 January 2012 (UTC) ::Meanwhile, here's an opinion essay by [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]], which gives some general context for "[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-12-12/Opinion_essay|Wikipedia in Academe – and ''vice versa'']]". --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 02:52, 14 January 2012 (UTC) ==Williamite== I was about to add that [[Petworth House]] was an example of Williamite architecture, but then read it and saw that it does not quite fit the "compact" description - so cannot be Williamite; or can it. Secondly, while I cannot find the term in any of my books - allthough there's plent about the architecture of this period, it occurred to me that perhaps Huis ten Bosch is the prototype? What do you think? [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 13:43, 15 January 2012 (UTC) : "Williamite" isn't a style designation I ever hear or very much like: ''Wrennish''? I added "compact" to the style description thinking of [[Belton House]] and [[Stoke Edith]]. There are few English counterparts to [[Huis ten Bosch]]. And Petworth, that's too French. But, thinking of Dutch prototypes for the "William-and-Mary style" or "Late Stuart Domestic Architecture", etc, how about [[Het Loo]]? if judged block by block, it's Williamite in every sense!--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 16:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC). ::Possibly, but I was thinking that Huis ten Bosch's corps de logis [http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=huis+ten+bosch&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1W1ADFA_en&biw=1360&bih=539&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsl&tbnid=E59yA8M5v78cGM:&imgrefurl=http://vivamaxima.centerblog.net/rub-palais-et-demeures-huis-ten-bosch-.html&docid=WzyIHr83LChBPM&imgurl=http://vivamaxima.v.i.pic.centerblog.net/o/c2ee4ce3.jpg&w=2048&h=1536&ei=WA4TT5jnH8iRswacgNUi&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=701&vpy=202&dur=1063&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=143&ty=107&sig=110558095117103945249&page=8&tbnh=147&tbnw=190&start=72&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:72] had a passing look of Belton - with a little imagination - especialy with the cupola. [[User:GiacomoReturned|Giacomo]] [[User talk:GiacomoReturned|Returned]] 17:43, 15 January 2012 (UTC) :::Oh yes indeed! Quite right you are, Giacomo.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:54, 15 January 2012 (UTC) ==[[History of dance]] Project== Dear Wetman, I am a professor at Franklin & Marshall College, a colleague of Amelia Rauser, who mentioned she had also contacted you. We are both interested in creating Wikipedia assignments for our courses. In my case, that course is History of Western Theatre Dance (Renaissance to the present). I had contacted another online ambassador who seemed rather difficult to work with, so I asked Amelia about her experience and she said you were pleasant and helpful. So, I'm wondering if you can take on another mentorship? Here's the assignment I've created for my students: - - - - Remember that our course focus is the History of Western Theatre Dance, renaissance to the present, which is the framework you should maintain when undertaking this assignment. A. Look at the Wikipedia page on History of Dance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History of dance. Read it closely and evaluate it based on these observations: 1) Citations 2) Sources 3) Focus (styles, people, dance types, geographic locations, time periods, context, etc.) a) What is covered? b) What is missing? 4) Text and visual image balance 5) Depth of coverage 6) Links 7) Anything else that seems important to you to note. B. and C. Follow any two of the links in this article (choose links appropriate to our course). Apply the same set of questions and criteria listed above to evaluating each of those pages. D. Create a summary statement assessing the Wikipedia coverage of Western theatre-dance history based on your observations. You may follow the question/criteria list given above or articulate your assessment in another format. E. Create a plan for your contribution to improving this coverage. Your plan must be discussed and approved by the professor to ensure that it is realistic and adequate to the expectations of the assignment. Examples: 1) Contribute 5-7 citations to substantiate (or not) claims in the articles you have selected. 2) Provide information on a red link (red links are areas Wikipedia would like to cover but has not yet had sufficient information to do so). 3) Fill out a subject covered too superficially or not at all (not even in a red link) in Wikipedia. 4) Change and/or correct information in a current article that is incomplete or inaccurate. 5) Something else, of your own devising. Calendar: Jan. 26 - Bring in your notes and comments on your initial Wikipedia research, part A of assignment, with thoughts on what you’ll focus on for parts B and C. Although these are notes, prepare to hand in a copy to the teacher. Jan. 31 – Start work on completing your contributions to part A. Feb. 9 - Bring in notes for parts B and C of Wikipedia assignment. Again, submit a copy of the notes to the teacher. Feb. 23 - Part D due. This should be a formal, well-written paper of about 2-3 pages in length. Mar. 20 – Part E plan is due. You should have undertaken considerable research so that you know if this plan is realizable. Apr. 10 – Part E information in fully realized form due to the teacher today. - - - - Thanks for your thoughts and feedback! [[User:Lynndance|Lynndance]] ([[User talk:Lynndance|talk]]) 00:38, 17 January 2012 (UTC) :Too much preparation and not enough ''doing'', that's my thought. It's the ''doing'' that's interesting. I'm assuming that the A to E Steps complement your course of reading and lectures/discussion on Western Theater Dance. Could you tell me the textbook[s] the course follows? Is this more of a series of lectures or a seminar discussion? I'd suggest you collapse these assignment parts, moving through them faster. :Why not incorporate these steps in sync with coursework: *Declare right away that all class members are full members of the international academic community: discuss what expectations and responsibilities this entails. Have them read [[Wikipedia:Civility]] and [[Wikipedia:Etiquette]] and follow up some of the links in those articles. Ask them to select one particularly helpful further link and recommend it to other students at the following session. Discuss academic responsibilities. *Read Wikipedia articles [[History of dance]], [[Medieval dance]], [[Renaissance dance]], [[History of ballet]]. Have students select the more or less specific area of Western Theater Dance that's already most interesting to them, find and isolate the relevant Wikipedia articles and hand in a list of them (which helps you assess their comprehension of "relevance"). Specific to Wikipedia: students should familiarize themselves with the Page history and read through the Talkpage associated with each of "their" articles. Permit students to change, enlarge or reduce "their" group of articles as coursework progresses. *Group project: copy the box [[:File:Dance history 1.jpg|Genealogical tree of Dance]] and, as the course progresses, emend it to include unrepresented genres that are at least as important as, for example, [[Hip-Hop]], and indicate their "genealogical descent" lines. Search for and identify Wikipedia articles covering these genres. *First Wiki assignment: Taking a) a chapter of the course text b) any well-presented article, incorporate the gist of it into the relevant Wikipedia article, with a reference following the <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> convention: students must be prepared for online criticism. This is the best way to start editing Wikipedia: beginning what what a student 'knows' leaves her open for criticisms of [[Wikipedia:Original Research]]. :Students' results should be shared with the whole group, perhaps. Let me know what you think of this.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 13:46, 17 January 2012 (UTC) == editing fashion history articles == Hi Wetman, I read your response to Lynn's query with interest. I like your idea of asking each student to compose an addition to the Wikipedia article based on a single essay they read, citing that essay as a reference. It makes sense that this is a solid way for a beginner to get started. It seems that each student should then be logged in and registered as an individual contributor, doing her own work (and receiving her own criticism from the global wiki community), rather than uploading all our edits as a group under one contributor name. Yes? [[User:Arauser|Arauser]] ([[User talk:Arauser|talk]]) 14:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC) :Yes, exactly so; that's the best way to begin. And the zen of Wikipedia (and of the world) is, criticism is lavish, praise scant. If a good job's been done, one learns to praise oneself.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 16:35, 20 January 2012 (UTC) == [[Mildred Seydell]] == Can you look at the lead sentence and see if this is proper grammer. See Talk. Thanks. If you don't know, who might?--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 20:44, 26 January 2012 (UTC) == Millet's ''[[The Gleaners]]''== Does anyone know about a black and white print of the gleaners? [[User:Robinbird256|Robinbird256]] ([[User talk:Robinbird256|talk]]) 03:19, 28 January 2012 (UTC) :Yes, [http://www.relewis.com/millet-glaneuses.html| Millet's well-known etching of the subject] preceded the painting.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 04:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC) == History of poaching == I added a minute paragraph at [[Poaching]] with a ftnote on ''Non est inquirendum, unde venit venison''. Social history is not well served at Wikipedia: I couldn't even determine where to suggest this article.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 20:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC) :No, it's very poor. I've added some touches at [[Game law]], but there are several sections on individual animals that should be linked in (mainly on modern poaching), plus the historical side. Is [[bookbinding]] of any interest btw? I'm trying to do a little [[Wikipedia:GLAM/BL/Bookbinding|push with the British Library]]; all welcome to help in any way! Lots to do, as everywhere. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 11:21, 31 January 2012 (UTC) ::I have Douglas McMurtrie, ''The Book: The Story of Printing and Bookmaking'' (1943, a successor to his ''The Golden Book'', but printed on bad wartime paper): I'd better look at it again and see what I could do. One of my American great-grandmothers, suddenly left a widow in 1905, needed a distraction: "Well, I know what I'll do; I'll just go to Heidelberg and study bookbinding." Very sensible. Get her mind off things. So, at my grandfather's place, one of the outbuilding barns was The Bindery. There's an old photo somewhere of my great-Aunt Missy, in a smock, laboring away happily, skiving the edge of a piece of morocco or something. All my cousins have some of the family bindings, in Arts and Crafts style, all blind stampings and ribbed spines. Rather tasteful and sound. All I know about bindings is summed up in catchphrases like "Jean Grolier et ses amis", [[fore-edge painting]], [[Robert Riviere]] and "top edge gilt". That kind of thing. Hm, perhaps I should begin with Riviere bindings....--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 20:57, 31 January 2012 (UTC) :::That would be great. I made a start with [[Jean Grolier]] - good as almost every fact in the traditional biography we faithfully reported has turned out to be wrong, since the 1997 Hobson book. Unfortunately google books only took me up to his age 33, through dropping hints of a spell in prison etc later. I'm meeting the BL curator today, having explained that talk of stitching tends to make me feel faint. we need to either expand [[book cover]] or, perhaps better, start a history of the Western leather binding. [[Bookbinding]] has tons of stuff on modern industrial binding, which is fair enough. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 12:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC) ::::I've gone ahead and thrown together [[Robert Riviere]] from the Dictionary of National Biography. Someone who actually has print sources on him may want to smooth it over. By the way, are bookbindings considered 2-D for the purposes of PDART? I mean, they're sort of like relief sculptures... [[User:Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy)|<b><FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT></b>]][[User talk:Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy)|<b><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT></b>]] 16:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC) :::::Brilliant start! What's required, then is a [[History of bookbinding]], with a succinct summary in the form of a "History" section at [[Bookbinding]], linked under "Bookbinding" at [[Codex]], with a link also at [[History of books]]. You and I and the lurkers here are the ones to do it, too.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 16:23, 1 February 2012 (UTC) == Here is the deal. == I have over the decades amassed a fair amount of what I’ll have to call primary and unusable secondary source material. Which I want to use. So, proceeding in an [[Ignore all rules]] vein I am considering setting up a subpage of my user page and posting documents that I refer to there. Example. I had a copy of the Archives of American Art interview with [[Corrado Parducci]] long before it was posted at the Smithsonian web site. An art world version of [[insider trading]]. Had I used it before it was posted that would, under many interpretations of the rules, be unacceptable. Now that Smithsonian has it on line, it is allowed. I have a letter on [[Beaux-Arts Institute of Design |BAID]] letterhead asking someone to be the director of their [[architectural sculpture]] program and I want to use it as a source to “prove” that he had (or was offered) the job. So I’ll post that on my subpage and refer a footnote to it. Or am I crazy? Deluded? An over stimulation of the hubris gland? Or, can I ignore all rules and give it a whirl. Please give it 17 seconds thought and toss back an answer. Do it. Don’t do it. Something else. Einar aka [[User:Carptrash|Carptrash]] ([[User talk:Carptrash|talk]]) 17:40, 1 February 2012 (UTC) :I'd say that a statement based on letter in your possession would be criticized as "original research". Being able to refer to documents available online does take off the onus. Maybe the detail is not important enough to struggle with: IMO, Wikipedia is merely a reader's guide, not a universal repository of culture.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 18:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC) == Online Ambassador, Spring 2012 == Hi, Wetman! As you may know, the Wikipedia Education Program has instilled [[outreachwiki:Wikipedia Education Program/Participation Requirements|a new set of standards]] that courses must meet to officially join the program for the semester. As you can see, one of the requirements is that at least one ambassador or professor is a Wikipedian, as this should give students more access to helpful information about contributing to Wikipedia and creating good content. You are listed on the Online Ambassador page; are you still interested in remaining active this semester? Some of these classes will have to remove themselves from the program should they fail to meet these standards, but we would like to ensure that new students are receiving proper support during the editing process. Please let me know if you are still interested in mentoring these students this semester and/or visit the [[Wikipedia_talk:United_States_Education_Program/Online_Ambassadors|Online Ambassador talk page]] to select a course that still needs an Online Ambassador. Thank you! [[User:JMathewson (WMF)|JMathewson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:JMathewson (WMF)|talk]]) 20:07, 6 February 2012 (UTC) :I've signed on at [[Wikipedia:Canada_Education_Program/Courses/Present/North_American_Environmental_History_(Tina_Loo)]] and added my name to the online ambassadors for that course at the [[Wikipedia_talk:United_States_Education_Program/Online_Ambassadors|Online Ambassador talk page]]--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 21:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC) == Thanks! == Hello Wetman: I'm really pleased that you signed on to be an online ambassador for my course. The students are just organizing themselves into teams and I'm sure in the next weeks they will be in touch with you. I appreciate your efforts with them - and me! (I'm a newbie too!). --[[User:Greentina|Greentina]] ([[User talk:Greentina|talk]]) 21:54, 8 February 2012 (UTC) :Hi Greentina! Two suggestions I made in a thread just above this: :Why not incorporate these steps in sync with coursework: *Declare right away that all class members are full members of the international academic community: discuss what expectations and responsibilities this entails. Have them read [[Wikipedia:Civility]] and [[Wikipedia:Etiquette]] and follow up some of the links in those articles. Ask them to select one particularly helpful further link and recommend it to other students at the following session. Discuss academic responsibilities. *First Wiki assignment: Taking a) a chapter of the course text, or b) any well-presented journal article, incorporate the gist of it into the relevant Wikipedia article, with a reference following the <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> convention: students must be prepared for online criticism. This is the best way to start editing Wikipedia: beginning what what a student 'knows' leaves her open for criticisms of [[Wikipedia:Original Research]]. :Students' results should be shared with the whole group, perhaps. Let me know what you think of this.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 02:17, 9 February 2012 (UTC) ==A New York architect== I'm sorry to trouble you, Wetman, but I'm hoping you may be able to help. I was just now trying to begin a page on the New York theatre architect [[Eugene De Rosa]], but I could find so little on him that I foresaw it would be not much more than a long list of his theatres. If [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hEcjAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Eugene+L+de+Rosa%22+London&dq=%22Eugene+L+de+Rosa%22+London&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Uk0T63UOOeh0QWOpsyjAg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAA this] is the man, he was living in Naples about 1935, but he was [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1TgNAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Eugene+de+Rosa%22+Italian&dq=%22Eugene+de+Rosa%22+Italian&hl=en&sa=X&ei=c000T9rdMuqj0QXM3dSVAg&ved=0CE4Q6AEwBzgK back at work] in New York by 1944. If he were a British architect multiple sources would quickly turn up! Of course, he may or may not be American. I wonder if you can suggest anything? [[User:Moonraker|Moonraker]] ([[User talk:Moonraker|talk]]) 23:17, 9 February 2012 (UTC) :[http://cinematreasures.org/blog/2007/1/12/eugene-derosa-architect-of-the-apollo-theatre Here's] a sketch of his career by his nephew, mentioning his living son; it was posted in 2007, eliciting a spate of additional information. Hope this helps.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 16:17, 10 February 2012 (UTC) ::That was very well found, thank you, Wetman. What the nephew says is consistent with De Rosa retreating to Naples, although not with the 1944 "snippet". (Supposing Eugene was Italian, I had already searched for "Eugenio De Rosa" but I found no architects.) In any event, that brief sketch does encourage me to begin an article and see where it goes. Regards, [[User:Moonraker|Moonraker]] ([[User talk:Moonraker|talk]]) 17:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC) :Ellis Island records are online now.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:28, 10 February 2012 (UTC) ::Thanks, I'll look tomorrow. I see the nephew says a brother of De Rosa has an obituary in the ''New York Times''. I don't have a subscription or a library card which will get me into its online archive to look at that, or indeed to see whether De Rosa himself has an obituary there - do you know whether what's online would include obituaries from 1945? If you have a subscription, I'd be happy to reciprocate sometime with my own to ''[[The Times]]'' (1785 to 1985). [[User:Moonraker|Moonraker]] ([[User talk:Moonraker|talk]]) 00:13, 12 February 2012 (UTC) :::No, alas my JSTOR access is over.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 03:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC) ::::Never mind, scraping the barrel hasn't turned out so badly. [[User:Moonraker|Moonraker]] ([[User talk:Moonraker|talk]]) 18:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC) ::::Well, you've assembled the best information on [[Eugene De Rosa]] that can be found on the Internet: that's not shabby!--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 22:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC) == [[Wentworth Woodhouse]] again == Do you have any references to hand that can be used [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wentworth_Woodhouse#Contextualisation here]? Btw, I am meeting [[Wallace Collection|these people]] tomorrow to talk about the wonders of wikiland. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 12:27, 20 February 2012 (UTC) :Crikey, that was today! Wallace Collection objects need desperately to be illustrated at Wikipedia: [[commode]], [[cabinet (furniture)]], [[desk]], [[table]], [[Charles Cressent]], [[Bernard II van Risamburgh]] etc etc. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 23:36, 20 February 2012 (UTC) ::No, it is tomorrow (just - for me) - or your breakfast time on Tuesday. My photos of larger objects are not good, but it's early days. The Versailles collaboration produced some photos, largely hidden in the usual impenetrable maze of categories, [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Furniture_of_the_Palace_of_Versailles here]. It seems to me we actually have more photos of French C18 furniture than articles to put them in, & what we really lack are articles on periods of furniture, like the excellent history of fashion series. I just added the first pic to [[Bonheur du jour]], which in fact has a category on Commons with 6, and no doubt other not caught in the category. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 23:47, 20 February 2012 (UTC) == Cumae == Way back in March 2008 you edited the article [[Cumae]], and amongst other things added the text "In the [[Second Punic War]], in spite of temptations, Cumae withstood [[Hannibal]]'s siege". I have no idea what "in spite of temptations" refers to, and I guess that most readers would be in the same position. I wonder if you would be willing to clarify it? [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 21:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC) :Clarified, and Livy xxiii.35 is now cited in a footnote.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 21:40, 23 February 2012 (UTC) ::Thanks. [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 09:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC) == [[Brussels tapestry]] == I realized that this needed an article, in looking over the inadequate article [[tapestry]]. Lurkers here may be able to improve my draft.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 22:46, 24 February 2012 (UTC) :Very nice. I haven't been able to add much, but I'm sure Henry VIII was a big buyer, & it ought to be possible to find stuff on that. [http://www.thecityreview.com/tapest.html This seems reliable], if not exactly an RS, & I see the catalogue is now heavily discounted, though not quite enough for me. Large chunks of "Flemish tapestry from the 15th to the 18th century" (which includes Brussels, it seems) By Guy Delmarcel are on google books. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 01:27, 25 February 2012 (UTC) ::I have that catalogue, and also [http://www.amazon.com/Henry-VIII-Art-Majesty-Tapestries/dp/0300122349/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330152526&sr=1-1 this one on Henry VIII's collection]. Anything particular I can look up for you? - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 06:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC) ::Very nice indeed. There seems to be some text missing after reference 16? - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 07:12, 25 February 2012 (UTC) :::I don't have the catalogue. The article should report Tom Campbell's assessment of Brussels tapestry and give a fair concise version of his account, credited to him.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 20:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC) ::::''Tapestry in the Renaissance'' has over 200 pages on Brussels tapestry between the late 15th century and 1560. As to a concise version of Campbell's assessment, I think what you have from the exhibit catalogue probably nails it. What's in the book is background color and supporting detail, and lots of it. There's a chapter on important patrons and one on Van Orley. He also favors the usage "Pieter van Endigen, called Van Aelst" in this book vs. "Pieter d'Enghien van Aelst" in his Henry VIII book, which is what I have used in the article so far (Commons uses "Pieter van Endigen Van Aelst"). I'll continue to dig through this for illuminating bits to flesh out the story, but it may take a while. ::::Thanks so much for pulling this article together. - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 04:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC) ::I added some Henry VIII. Turns out I have a scannable image of one of the Raphael tapestries; I'll scan that shortly. Feel free to move the images as you please. At some point I think we need to sort the various Pieter van Aelsts [http://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANServlet?english=Y&find=Aelst&role=&page=1&nation= ULAN here]. The WP article [[Pieter van Aelst]] is Pieter Coecke van Aelst. So much to do! Alas, some of it is related to Real Life. - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 19:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC) :::Maybe the other [Coecke] van Aelst family could be noted in a ftnote.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 20:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC) ::::Done, and we had one of the ''Acts of the Apostles'' tapestries in Commons all along, which I have added to the article. - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 04:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC) ::Great to see this progressing; I saw the "Honours" set at La Granja a few years back, all hung together in a relatively narrow gallery, making a very powerful impression. Have either of you been to Hampton Court since they started having a (laser-guided, comptuter-calculated etc etc) overlay of coloured lights projected (when a button is pressed) onto one of their Old Testament series, to show the original colours? [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 12:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC) :::I've searched "Brussels tapestry" and with links woven the article into the general Wikiweb, so to speak.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 17:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC) ::::Excellent! ::::I haven't been to Hampton Court, although I read about that display. I was just reading up on Wolsey and the Hampton Court Old Testament series, which Campbell tags as "probably" woven in Brussels. I am afraid my tastes are hopelessly Pre-Raphaelite, in the literal sense. I much prefer Wolsey's old-fashioned Hampton Court tapestries to the post-1530s stuff. Anyway, I intend to add more to the article on Wolsey and Henry VIII, and see what I can find on materials and technique, though the latter element may not appear any time soon. - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 18:11, 26 February 2012 (UTC) DYK, anyone? - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 02:45, 29 February 2012 (UTC) :okay I squeezed it in before the deadline. Need to crop an image and review something. Tonight, I guess. Open to alt hooks.... - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 18:54, 29 February 2012 (UTC) ::Thank you for that. DYK had become so complicated last time I looked...--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 16:09, 4 March 2012 (UTC) :::Ha ha, I hear you, every time I do one I swear it will be the last time...the review process is nuts. But the Textile Arts portal needs DYKs or it will never get updated. :-) :::You're welcome. :-) - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 22:02, 4 March 2012 (UTC) ==Disambiguation link notification== == Poet and Muse diptych == Dear Wetman, I saw that you removed the image at your Wikipedia article "Poet and Muse diptych" (ivory diptych dated in the 1st half of the 6th c.) found in the treasury of Monza cathedral. May I ask you to do me a favour and send the removed JPG file at olorulusATgmail.com Also, maybe you know, how to get the quality (300 dpi) colourful photo of the diptych. I am a medievist prepairing new academic edition of the Boethius' Instutio musica and would like to place the (colourful) image on frontispiece of my book. I tried to contact Museum ad Monza, all in vain. Maybe you own the personal photo of the diptych? If so, I am ready to mention your authorship and would be glad to send you an exemplar of the book as soon as it will be released (planned for 2012). With the best wishes, Dr. Sergey N. Lebedev<br> The Tchaikovsky Conservatory Moscow<br> olorulusATgmail.com<br> http://www.mosconsv.ru/ru/person.aspx?id=8882 <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Olorulus|Olorulus]] ([[User talk:Olorulus|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Olorulus|contribs]]) 07:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small> [[User:Olorulus|Olorulus]] ([[User talk:Olorulus|talk]]) 07:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC) :Hello! No, it was not I, and I don't know the procedure for removing images. The image was actually removed by [[User:Trixt]], under the impression that it was a copyright image. The ivory is conserved in the Museo e Tesoro del Duomo di Monza. A color photograph might be commissioned from them. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 14:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC) ==DYK for Brussels tapestry== {{tmbox |style = notice |small = |image = [[Image:Updated DYK query.svg|15px|Updated DYK query]] |text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#4 March 2012|4 March 2012]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Brussels tapestry]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that [[Italian Renaissance]] portrait styles reached England through the medium of '''[[Brussels tapestry]]'''?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Brussels tapestry|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Brussels tapestry]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Brussels tapestry|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Brussels tapestry]].}} }} }}You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201203/Brussels_tapestry quick check])</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]]. }} [[WP:Did you know|The DYK project]] ([[T:TDYK|nominate]]) 09:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC) == Citation for [[Speculum literature]] == Hi! Appreciate your work on [[Speculum literature]] and wonder if you might have a citation for this quote: <blockquote>The speculum image, of the mirror that reflects far and wide, was drawn from the magical mirror that was supposed to belong among the treasures of legendary Prester John somewhere in the East. Through it every province could be seen.</blockquote> Not because I have a problem with it, but because I'm interested in the subject. Thanks! --[[User:Rhododendrites|Rhododendrites]] ([[User talk:Rhododendrites|talk]]) 22:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC) :''"Before our palace stands a mirror, the ascent to which consists of five and twenty steps of porpyry and serpintine ... This mirror is guarded day and night by three thousand men. We look therein and behold all that is taking place in every province and region subject to our sceptre."'' :--the fabricated [http://www.graveworm.com/occult/texts/pjohn.html "Letter of Prester John"], sent to [[Manuel I Komnenos]] in 1165. This is one of a handful of essential Prester John documents. I'd best edit it right now into [[Speculum literature]]. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:39, 15 March 2012 (UTC) (sorry for late reply) - this helps, but I was more curious for a source connecting the mirror to the term "speculum literature." From the wording, it sounds like the article is saying this legend is the source of the genre's name (which may be true--I'm just curious to read more about this connection). --[[User:Rhododendrites|Rhododendrites]] ([[User talk:Rhododendrites|talk]]) 18:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC) ==[[Lancelot "Capability" Brown]]== Dear Wetman, I have been referred to you. I am told you are a person with both the interest and the capability (pun intended) to make this a better article. Please take a look. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 12:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC) :Ha! irresistibly well put! I must have been editing Wikipedia too long: the present article looks middling well to me. Shall we improve it together? I have Edward Hyams, ''Capability Brown and Humphrey Repton'', 1971: not the last word by any means. I also have Dorothy Stroud's biography of Henry Holland, Brown's son-in-law; that connection needs mentioning.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 18:06, 16 March 2012 (UTC) ::There was a good piece in the [[LRB]] recently, covering how high-handed he was with his patrons, including George III, who is supposed to have said to one of his staff, when Brown finally left or died: "Well, Mr Foo, now we can do what ''we'' like", or words to that effect. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC) :::I've been playing with it, and think I made some foursquare additions. In any event, I wasn't abdicating like [[King Edward VIII|Edward VIII]]. It's not a bad article, but it could be better. Looking forward to working with you. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 18:38, 16 March 2012 (UTC) :::To be informative, the list needs to be annotated, to give an idea of what Brown did there, and approximate dates. Every dammed stream making a bit of water in a rolling parkland in England is attributed to Capability Brown.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC) ::::I more or less did something like that on [[Yule Marble]]. ::::With someone this prolific, the task could be immense. What I would suggest is that we start with the broader issues and overview. We do not want to 'lose the forest for the leaves.' <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 19:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC) :::::To this end I started a section on Brown's architecture.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 15:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC) == It has been a while. == Hello. [[User:Kazuba|Kazuba]] ([[User talk:Kazuba|talk]]) 23:52, 16 March 2012 (UTC) == The new "See also" section on "Tom Swift" == Thank you for [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Tom_Swift&diff=482674341&oldid=482670095 your addition] of a "See also" section to today's featured article [[Tom Swift]]. You added the section in the incorrect order. It has been fixed. Please review [[MOS:APPENDIX]] for the generally accepted ordering of the "appendix matter" sections and the rationale for the order. [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] ([[User talk:Jason Quinn|talk]]) 13:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC) == [[The Twelve Conclusions of the Lollards]] == I just added the section "General Prologue to the Old Testament". The Deansley and Forshall references are at Google Books. Do you have better wording for what I have added? Thanks.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 23:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC) ==[[Micah True]]== Dear Wetman: I am (more or less) the sole editor of this article. It has almost 18,000 views in the last 2 days. It needs a fresh set of eyes. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 18:39, 2 April 2012 (UTC) :It's looking very well-written and fully supported. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 10:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC) ::Thanks for taking a look. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 10:50, 3 April 2012 (UTC) ==[[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[Ashton F. Embry]]== [[Image:Ambox warning yellow.svg|left|link=|48px|]] The article [[Ashton F. Embry]] has been [[WP:BLPPROD|proposed for deletion]] because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, all newly created '''[[WP:BLP|biographies of living persons]]''' must have at least one reference to a [[WP:V#Sources|reliable source]] that directly supports material in the article. If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners|Referencing for beginners]], or ask at the [[Wikipedia:Help desk|help desk]]. Once you have provided at least one [[WP:V#Sources|reliable source]], you may remove the {{tl|prod blp}} tag. '''Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced.''' If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can {{#ifexist:Ashton F. Embry|request that it be undeleted|[[Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion|request that it be undeleted]]}} when you are ready to add one.<!-- Template:ProdwarningBLP --> [[User:Epbr123|Epbr123]] ([[User talk:Epbr123|talk]]) 21:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC) :Wetman, I removed the flag, and added some references. I think the article could be vastly improved working from just the material that is now there. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 22:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC) ::Thank you for taking that trouble. I ten to add brief biographies when I stumble upon red-linked people who are prominent in their field. Especially since there's already a Wikipedia biography of every pimply former garage-band drummer. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 15:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC) :::I screwed up one of the citations. Please take a look and tweak. Meanwhile, what's wrong with biography of every pimply former garage-band drummer? You've not got the proper perspective. Just kidding. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 16:53, 18 April 2012 (UTC) ::::Never mind. You apparently took care of it. OTOH, it could use an expansion, as he is a worthwhile subject for an important article on an important and interesting personage. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 16:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC) == Commented at [[Talk:Sebald_Heyden#Significations]] == I checked the talk page because of the various claims in the article, and then saw your notes. You could certainly fix the one red-link as pointed out, but that doesn't really help the lack of definition of "horror fusae". I wish I could remember the 'pedian who I saw most often doing musicology fix-ups. And I dare not ask my local expert, as I'm still editing anon for penance. [[Special:Contributions/24.28.17.231|24.28.17.231]] ([[User talk:24.28.17.231|talk]]) 21:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC) :I would have fixed it myself if I'd understood what it was all about. I repaired the German translation, but couldn't for the life of me tell you what's the object of a ''horror fusae''. Sounds mighty scary tho'.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 23:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC) ::not sure this helps, but [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pkeets User:Pkeets] does a lot of related work. Pardon me for intruding, but I am ''The lurker'' <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 10:54, 19 April 2012 (UTC) ==[[Pevsner Architectural Guides]]== Your excellency! I was wondering if you have considered exercising your plenipotentiary powers over The Buildings of England article? It has disappointingly little to say on Pevsner's methodology, biases and critics. If it helps the immortal Jonathan Meades made a programme worth watching, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUcWFhhujjU] Twospoonfuls ([[User_talk:Twospoonfuls|ειπέ]]) 23:11, 3 May 2012 (UTC) :My technique at Wikipedia is akin to [[ventriloquism]]: I report the published assertion of others, particularly in areas where I'm moderately well informed, and cite them in footnotes. "In 2001." I'm reading, "the Penguin Collectors Society published ''The Buildings of England: a Celebration'', 50 years after BE1 was published: it includes 12 essays and a selection of text from the series." That would be the vein to mine. But thanks for the compliment!--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 23:43, 3 May 2012 (UTC) == [[Neoclassicism]] == I'm giving this a revamp; most of your additions of 2005 (was it?) remain more or less intact. Do you remember where this bit came from: "The antiquities of Herculaneum showed that even the most classicizing interiors of the Baroque, or the most "Roman" rooms of William Kent were based on basilica and temple exterior architecture, turned outside in: pedimented window frames turned into gilded mirrors, fireplaces topped with temple fronts, now all looking quite bombastic and absurd. The new interiors sought to recreate an authentically Roman and genuinely interior vocabulary, employing flatter, lighter motifs, sculpted in low frieze-like relief or painted in monotones en camaïeu ("like cameos"), isolated medallions or vases or busts or bucrania or other motifs, suspended on swags of laurel or ribbon, with slender arabesques against backgrounds, perhaps, of "Pompeiian red" or pale tints, or stone colors." - not Hugh Honour as far as I can see; no doubt one of the more specialized works. A ref would be very handy for the "inside-out" or "outside-in" point, if easily available. Thanks! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 12:30, 6 May 2012 (UTC) :[[John Summerson]], ''Architecture in Britain 1530-1830'' says of Robert Adam "What interested him besides in classical archaeology was the recapture of the Roman style of ''interior'' [Summerson's emphasis] decoration, which he rightly insisted was something wholly different from the marble temple architecture whose survival was so much more conspicuous and which had therefore been adapted, without sufficient thought, to modern interior requirements." A few pages on, Summerson mentions in passing "his ideal of reconstructing a system of Roman interior decoration". I think this point was made by Arthur T. Bolton, whose book formed my earliest concept of Robert Adam, thought I haven't had access to it in half a century. Parhaps it's made in the V&A's book on Osterley Park House. [[John Soane]]'s characterization of neo-Palladian "ponderous" and "indiscriminate" use of exterior features in this very context is quoted in Eileen Harris, ''The Genius of Robert Adam: His Interiors'' (2001:4): I haven't read it. And Adam may have made the point himself in one of the prefaces in ''Works in Architecture''.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 18:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC) == My experience with Wikipedia in the Classroom == {{tb|Greentina}} == Immobile coffins in hagiography == At [[Durham Cathedral]] I've noted that the tale of Cuthbert's coffin becoming immobile, thus identifying the site for the cathedral, is a "trope of [[hagiography]]." This won't be liked, and is sure to be challenged. Can lurkers here come up with other immobile coffins among medieval saints, for the necessary footnote? My googling hasn't struck one, and I can't recall which saints are connected with this much-worn trope, which I'm sure is generally familiar.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 08:33, 24 May 2012 (UTC) == Thanks == Many thanks for your copyedits in the [[Battle of the Baggage]]! Cheers, [[User:Cplakidas|Constantine]] [[User talk:Cplakidas| ✍ ]] 22:46, 26 May 2012 (UTC) == Strupp citation and the [[Treaty of Paris (1815)]] == In March 2008 you [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Treaty_of_Paris_%281815%29&diff=196670783&oldid=196587406 made an edit] to the article [[Treaty of Paris (1815)]] a couple of days later [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hundred_Days&diff=197118842&oldid=197005129 I copied information] contained in that edit to [[Hundred Days]]. I am in the process of reviewing the sources in the article [[Hundred Days]] can you provide more information (like volume, date published, publisher, page number) for a citation you gave in that edit ({{green|Strupp, ''Wörterbuch des Völkerrechts'', ''s.v.'' "Wiener Knogress"}}) as I can not trace the article to add in a page number to it. Also you might like to check the [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hundred_Days&diff=495817217&oldid=495758851 the changes I made] to the Hundred Days article modifying your original text. -- [[User:Philip Baird Shearer|PBS]] ([[User talk:Philip Baird Shearer|talk]]) 15:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC) :I've inserted the expanded ref. "K. Strupp, ''et al.'', ''Wörterbuch des Völkerrechts'', (Berlin, 1960-62) ''s.v.'' "Wiener Kongress"" in both articles. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 15:17, 4 June 2012 (UTC) == File:Piranesicarceri.gif listed for deletion == A file that you uploaded or altered, [[:File:Piranesicarceri.gif]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion]]. Please see the [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2012 June 5#File:Piranesicarceri.gif|'''discussion''']] to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. <!-- Template:Fdw --> [[User:Bulwersator|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator|talk]]) 16:44, 5 June 2012 (UTC) == [[Objet d'art]] == No longer a redirect to [[work of art]]! Any thoughts? [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 15:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC) :Mr Wetman may indeed have some thoughts [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wetman/archive16Oct2004#Objects_d.27art]. Or as we Franglais speakers say "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. [[User:ToujoursDejaVu|ToujoursDejaVu]] ([[User talk:ToujoursDejaVu|talk]]) 17:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC) ::Ha ha! Oh, lively days at Early Wikipedia. I did a little extending, partly to bring in useful links, like [[Peter Carl Fabergé]]. Shouldn't [[Grünes Gewölbe]] figure in, with mentions of [[Johann Melchior Dinglinger]] and [[Balthasar Permoser]]? How about the [[Cellini Salt Cellar|Cellini salt cellar]]? ::And I've linked at [[bric-a-brac]] with an Edith Wharton/Ogden Codman quote.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) :::Thanks, that's just the ticket! One could of course expand indefinitely, & I will link my [[Waddesdon Bequest]] (forthcoming), and many others. Ah, yes, [[pastiglia]] needs all the links it can get. Did you ever see the [[Gilbert Collection]]? A very suitable place to calibrate one's personal Vulgometer. Closed up now. Thanks for the link, Mysterious Stranger; I have incorporated Giano's titbit in a note. Next stop [[Minor arts]]. Best to all, [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 19:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC) ::::I did actually once see the Gilbert collection, when Mr Gilbert had it, c. 1965-69: micromosaics! On a different tack, I think there were some quotable general remarks about the cultural freight of ''objets d'art'' in Maurice Rheims' ''La vie étrange des objets'', and in [[Mario Praz]]' ''House of Life'', wonderful books that have long flown from my shelves. I'll look through Frank Herrmann's ''The English as Collectors'' for any further grist.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 20:43, 23 June 2012 (UTC) [[Image:McCallsJuly1907.jpg|thumb|right|170px| In the US, during the administration of [[Theodore Roosevelt]] a short-lived fad for brightly-tinted toilet rolls and discreetly-scented loo candles led to some dreadful summertime accidents.]] ::::::When mentioning great objets d'art of the world, there should perchance be a mention of the [[User:Bishonen/European toilet paper holder|some of the most unique and luxurious]]. Is any item more fitting to the term? [[User:ToujoursDejaVu|ToujoursDejaVu]] ([[User talk:ToujoursDejaVu|talk]]) 21:28, 23 June 2012 (UTC) == The Swerve: How the World Became Modern == Your well-intended edits to ''[[The Swerve: How the World Became Modern]]'' have been reverted because they were not supported by the [[WP:RS]]. Please properly cite any content that you add.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 21:02, 6 July 2012 (UTC) :But I've actually ''read'' the book. Twice now. I recommend it to you. I shall support my edits with ''extensive'' quotes from the book. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 22:49, 6 July 2012 (UTC) == Credo Reference Update & Survey (your opinion requested) == [[Credo Reference]], who generously [[WP:CREDO|donated 400 free Credo 250 research accounts]] to Wikipedia editors over the past two years, has offered to expand the program to include 100 additional reference resources. Credo wants Wikipedia editors to select which resources they want most. So, we put together a quick survey to do that: * Link to Survey (should take between 5-10 minutes): [http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N8FQ6MM http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N8FQ6MM] It also asks some basic questions about what you like about the Credo program and what you might want to improve. At this time only the initial 400 editors have accounts, but even if you do not have an account, you still might want to weigh in on which resources would be most valuable for the community (for example, through [[WP:RESOURCE|WikiProject Resource Exchange]]). Also, if you have an account but no longer want to use it, please leave me a note so another editor can take your spot. If you have any other questions or comments, drop by my talk page or email me at wikiocaasi@yahoo.com. Cheers! [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]]^{[[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]]} 17:36, 11 July 2012 (UTC) <!-- EdwardsBot 0298 --> ==Thanks== Thank you for your kind words on the talk page of [[Labidiaster annulatus]]. [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 05:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC) == Infobox RfC == Hi Wetman, I wonder if I could ask for your comment on a debate about an infobox that is taking place at [[Talk:Peter Sellers#RfC: Is infobox recommended for this bio?]] There seems to be a feeling among some of the article's editors that the full life of a rather complicated individual can be condensed into a few short lines in a box. Could I please impose and ask for your view? If you have the time it would be much appreciated; it's not a problem if not. Many thanks – [[User: Schrodinger's cat is alive | SchroCat]] ([[User talk: Schrodinger's cat is alive #top |<font face="Webdings"><big>^</big></font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/ Schrodinger's cat is alive |<font face="Webdings"><big>@</big></font>]]) 22:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC) {| class="infobox bordered" style="font-size: 95%;" |- style="border-bottom-width=0; background:lightyellow;" !Disinfoboxes |- | &nbsp;'''A box aggressively attracts the marginally<br> &nbsp;'''literate eye with apparent promises to contain a<br> &nbsp;'''reductive summary of information that can't be<br> &nbsp;'''neatly contained. Like a bulleted list, or a time-<br> &nbsp;'''line that substitutes for genuine history, it offers<br> &nbsp;'''a competitive counter-article, stripped of nuance.<br> &nbsp;'''As a substitute for accuracy and complexity a box<br> &nbsp;'''trumps all discourse.'''<br /> |} == [[Ian Fleming]] FAC == Hi Wetman, sorry to bother you. Thanks for the support on the info box discussion on [[Peter Sellers]]. We would really value your comments [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ian_Fleming#Infobox here] as the self same discussion is taking place. This is slightly more serious as it is currently an FAC. Sorry to have to get you to repeat yourself on the same subject, but a consensus is desperately needed so we can nip this in the bud now. Happy editing! -- <span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">[[User:Cassianto|<b style="color:#0C40ED;">Cassianto</b>]]^{[[User talk:Cassianto|Talk]]}</span> 07:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC) :: When I say "Wikipedians with content contribute content; Wikipedians without content invent templates and lists, and enforce imagined 'rules'", it's not just a mean quip. You detect that there's something essentially wrong with the template-makers when you see such ''consistent'' bullying of local editors at articles.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 17:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC) == Thank you == ... for fixing my typo on [[John Fraser (botanist)]] at its DIY debut, heh, the poor man was probably rolling in his grave gnashing what's left, if anything, of his teeth, lol. &mdash; [[User:Sctechlaw|Sctechlaw]] ([[User talk:Sctechlaw|talk]]) 00:53, 5 August 2012 (UTC) :Just a little something I noticed: a fine article, btw, on a character I've been interested in since Miss Coates' book.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 14:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC) ::He is an interesting bit of swashbuckle, isn't he? I expanded the article a bit further in the last 24 hrs, and will work toward another GA with it. Would you mind looking it over as it stands now and make some criticisms please? Another pair of eyes is always helpful. Thanks, [[User:Sctechlaw|Sctechlaw]] ([[User talk:Sctechlaw|talk]]) 15:18, 5 August 2012 (UTC) ==Gibraltarpedia== Thamks for the name derivation for Jebel Musa [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 16:21, 11 August 2012 (UTC) == Online Ambassador == Hi Wetman! Are you interested in being the Online Ambassador for any classes this term? We've got a few classes that are looking for ambassador right now ([[Wikipedia:Canada Education Program/Courses/Present|Canada]], [[Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses/Present|US]]), so if you're up for helping any, please do! Let me know if you have any questions, or if you'd like me to pick a course for you.--[[User:Sage Ross (WMF)|Sage Ross (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sage Ross (WMF)|talk]]) 14:03, 12 September 2012 (UTC) == History at [[Treasure Mountain (Colorado)]] == Intriguing userpage. About 'no whispers' in archives? on the subject line, would you care to elaborate? [[User:Draconrex|Draconrex]] ([[User talk:Draconrex|talk]]) 03:35, 21 September 2012 (UTC) :No one can "elaborate" on this already embroidered though wholly undocumented French adventure, much less how the expedition accumulated enough gold to bury. A generic trope, even to the "treasure map" and the "lone survivor". Have ''you'' found even a whisper? Do add it to improve this naively credulous article. The former name was Citadel Mountain: some dated USGS map references might be interesting, to document the (recent?) name change.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 04:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC) ::Well spoken. I'm on a mission now. [[User:Draconrex|Draconrex]] ([[User talk:Draconrex|talk]]) 04:16, 21 September 2012 (UTC) [[File:Bernini PalazzoBarberini.jpg|thumb|right|Palazzo Barberini's windows]] == [[Chicago Theatre]] == Could you provide a citation for "The central arch-headed window adapts the familiar motif of [[Borromini]]'s false-perspective window reveals of the top floor of [[Palazzo Barberini]], Rome." at [[Chicago Theatre]], which you added with [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chicago_Theatre&diff=519959638&oldid=517802686 this edit].--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 06:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC) :Ah TonytheTiger again. Well, I considered adding to the article on [[Chicago Theatre]] a small version of this image, to remind the reader of the utterly familiar architectural feature. I thought that would be unnecessary. Shall I add it after all, then?--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 14:29, 28 October 2012 (UTC) ==What a relief== I just logged in expressly to see if you were editing. So pleased to see you are [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADoubleday_myth&diff=520607001&oldid=520605389] I was a afraid that you may have been washed away. Used as I am to earhquakes and natural catastophe, one never become accustomed to the gross inconvenience. I hate to think of poor old new York being buffeted about; it's my favourite American places. [[User:Giano|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano|talk]]) 17:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC) :Giano, thank you. Yes, the High and Dry Upper West Side is thirty meters above the Hudson at ordinary high tide. The city's subway system is devastated: there is salt water filling every tunnel under the rivers. But our water comes down from the Catskills in an enclosed aqueduct and is unaffected. I haven't been over to the Park yet. The barrier beaches of the East Coast have been reconfigured, some of them formerly densely covered with vacation houses. This is the New Weather. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 17:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC) ::Yes, it all looks nasty. Glad you are ok. No doubt you'll now have the vastly expensive flood defence overhaul London needs to have. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 17:55, 30 October 2012 (UTC) :::What protects the Eastern Seaboard, from Easthampton Long Island to Delaware Bay and again from Virginia to South Carolina, are the barrier beaches, sand spits now full of vacation housing...--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 19:10, 30 October 2012 (UTC) ::::Or "until recently full of vacation housing.." [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 22:03, 30 October 2012 (UTC) :: It's nice to know New York is still standing. Wonderful city, wonderful people. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]^{[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]} 06:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC) == DYK Review == If you have time, would you consider Reviewing 3 articles of the 30-in-1 DYK nomination I submitted November 2 ("Apollo 11 lunar sample display"). This way perhaps there will only be 24 more Reviews left and maybe others will consider doing at least 3 until all 30 articles are Reviewed. Thanks. --[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 22:42, 4 November 2012 (UTC) {{Template:Did you know nominations/Apollo 11 lunar sample display, Apollo 17 lunar sample display}} <br /> :fyi, all the countries are more or less done. I expect there will be some tweaks to the See also section. See the [[Nebraska lunar sample displays]] article. The form of the citations in the articles alphabetically between <s>Arkansas and New York</s> California to Hawaii are not completed. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 01:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC) ::Wetman - noted your correction of "lies" for grammer correction on the [[New York lunar sample displays|New York article]] and corrected all the other articles accordingly. Sure as shooten, I made the same mistake on all the articles. Thanks for reading over the articles.--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Coldwell|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]]} 22:59, 5 November 2012 (UTC) :::They've taken all the ''fun'' out of writing for "Did You Know". Since I'm not paid here at Wikipedia, I ''insist'' on having fun...--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 16:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC) == "Boasted": in [[John Bevan (British Army officer)]] == Re Bevan, this doesn't always mean that someone's boasting. Victoria can boast good rail connections to southern England without having once showed off. [[User:Ericoides|Ericoides]] ([[User talk:Ericoides|talk]]) 07:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC) :I'm quite aware of this overused substitution for "has" that is to be found in second-rate journalism and illustrated brochures. The phrase was reading "[[Dennis Wheatley]], who boasted even better society connections than Bevan..." Btw, "society" as an adjective signifying "upper class" is distractingly naff: the reader winces, and attention is drawn away from the article's subject. I improved it.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 15:51, 13 November 2012 (UTC) ::I'm sure you have improved it, as you write quite well. But by putting in your edit summary that "Whetaley [sic] is unlikely to have boasted about his "society" connections" it seems that you're not "quite aware" of this substitution at all. Hiding this behind snarky terms such as "second-rate" ain't gonna help your case. But hey, why not just bite any one who points something useful out? [[User:Ericoides|Ericoides]] ([[User talk:Ericoides|talk]]) 12:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC) :::Don't use "[sic]" to draw attention to a typo: it makes you look snarky. Notice how I don't put quotes round ''snarky''. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 12:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC) ::::Thanks, a very good point. [[User:Ericoides|Ericoides]] ([[User talk:Ericoides|talk]]) 12:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC) :::::I should have posted a perfectly neutral edit summary in the first place. When will I ever learn?--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman#top|talk]]) 14:58, 15 November 2012 (UTC) == A barnstar for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]] |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for creating the new '''[[Coalport porcelain]]''' article, and for improving Wikipedia's coverage of historical manufacturers. ~~~~ |}'