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== Edit request on 2 January 2012 ==
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Why not add 'Newark' to the list of cities that "helped drive the Industr1al Revolution", after all it is probably the most important one.
Why is there nothing about Hurricane Sandy on this page? [[Special:Contributions/63.3.2.130|63.3.2.130]] ([[User talk:63.3.2.130|talk]])
== Garden State ==
The author(s) of the article completely missed the meaning of "the garden state". From earliest America and on New Jersey had a booming farming output which New York / City relied on - and thus New Yorkers nick named it so - it had nothing to do with "dress up" gardening (but allot to do with botanics).
== Factories in the 1900's ==
And still. This article focuses highly on military installations, gardens, and drugs. However in the 1900's New Jersey was a Flush with factories making near everything American's sought (tooth brushes, etc), a fact easy to see as many old buildings are still standing. These were hopping in the 1970's era. By or in the late 19[90]'s many of the small factories closed due to imports etc. However New Jersey still has a strong and proud product making community.
==No battle during Civil War? NJ doesn't have a lot of things==
An editor has reinstalled an uncited phrase, "unlike many states, including some Northern ones, no [Civil War] battle was fought there. {{cn|date=September 2014}}"
First, there is a lot of things that Wikipedia is not. It is not a collection of things that a place or person is not. NJ doesn't have a DisneyWorld, doesn't have a naval militia, doesn't have a former governor whose last name begins with "X", Elvis Presley wasn't born there, ad infinitum. An article (and a place or person) is defined by what it '''does''' or '''is''' or '''has''' or '''was''' that is different from other states.
Also, lists this long become hard to maintain. Easier to maintain what NJ is, uniquely. When a new fact arises, we know where to look. We don't look at the other 49 states and insert, "Arizona doesn't contain a city like Bayonne."
It is not cited because no [[WP:RS]] is going to have any statement like that. Most Northern States did not have a "battle" on them, except (notably), Pennsylvania and probably Maryland. Two out of what? Two dozen? This is not encyclopedic and should be rm. Thanks. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 17:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
==Reinstatement of pov "only"s==
I made a routine deletion of pov "only"s, leaving those that made sense such as "New Jersey is the only state to..." type sentence. I did rm onlys where they tried to make a [[WP:POV]] point. "Only" emit x.x% emmisions. No criteria for deciding whether this was good or bad, the decision left up to the editor NOT to the reader. With data, the reader should be drawing these conclusions her/himself. Wikipedia should not "lead" the reader. There were about a dozen in both categories: npov/pov. An editor reverted the npov ones back to being pov. See, for example, discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:Words_to_avoid/Archive_5#Only.2C_just]]. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 20:57, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
:Pretty clear that it is [[WP:POV]] to '''qualify''' data using adjectives or adverbs. Words should be "qualified" using other data to be npov. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 19:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
==Comparative onlys?==
{{ping|Oknazevad}}. If I say "You are the only editor to have said this"(proper cite), that may be an acceptable sentence.
If, however, I say, "You have told me this only five times," that is npov comparative, even with a proper cite. There is no balancing information to surmise if "five" is a low number or a high one. There is just the pov word, "only," implying that five isn't very many. In proper context of actual values, it may represent a '''lot.''' The information should be furnished so the reader can make up her/his own mind. As an encyclopedia, we should not be "leading" the reader, as the media does, routinely. That's one of the major differences between "us" and "them." [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 20:10, 22 May 2015 (UTC)' |
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-Why not add 'Newark' to the list of cities that "helped drive the Industr1al Revolution", after all it is probably the most important one.
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-Why is there nothing about Hurricane Sandy on this page? [[Special:Contributions/63.3.2.130|63.3.2.130]] ([[User talk:63.3.2.130|talk]])
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-== Garden State ==
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-The author(s) of the article completely missed the meaning of "the garden state". From earliest America and on New Jersey had a booming farming output which New York / City relied on - and thus New Yorkers nick named it so - it had nothing to do with "dress up" gardening (but allot to do with botanics).
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-== Factories in the 1900's ==
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-And still. This article focuses highly on military installations, gardens, and drugs. However in the 1900's New Jersey was a Flush with factories making near everything American's sought (tooth brushes, etc), a fact easy to see as many old buildings are still standing. These were hopping in the 1970's era. By or in the late 19[90]'s many of the small factories closed due to imports etc. However New Jersey still has a strong and proud product making community.
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-==No battle during Civil War? NJ doesn't have a lot of things==
-An editor has reinstalled an uncited phrase, "unlike many states, including some Northern ones, no [Civil War] battle was fought there. {{cn|date=September 2014}}"
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-First, there is a lot of things that Wikipedia is not. It is not a collection of things that a place or person is not. NJ doesn't have a DisneyWorld, doesn't have a naval militia, doesn't have a former governor whose last name begins with "X", Elvis Presley wasn't born there, ad infinitum. An article (and a place or person) is defined by what it '''does''' or '''is''' or '''has''' or '''was''' that is different from other states.
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-Also, lists this long become hard to maintain. Easier to maintain what NJ is, uniquely. When a new fact arises, we know where to look. We don't look at the other 49 states and insert, "Arizona doesn't contain a city like Bayonne."
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-It is not cited because no [[WP:RS]] is going to have any statement like that. Most Northern States did not have a "battle" on them, except (notably), Pennsylvania and probably Maryland. Two out of what? Two dozen? This is not encyclopedic and should be rm. Thanks. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 17:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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-==Reinstatement of pov "only"s==
-I made a routine deletion of pov "only"s, leaving those that made sense such as "New Jersey is the only state to..." type sentence. I did rm onlys where they tried to make a [[WP:POV]] point. "Only" emit x.x% emmisions. No criteria for deciding whether this was good or bad, the decision left up to the editor NOT to the reader. With data, the reader should be drawing these conclusions her/himself. Wikipedia should not "lead" the reader. There were about a dozen in both categories: npov/pov. An editor reverted the npov ones back to being pov. See, for example, discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:Words_to_avoid/Archive_5#Only.2C_just]]. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 20:57, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
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-:Pretty clear that it is [[WP:POV]] to '''qualify''' data using adjectives or adverbs. Words should be "qualified" using other data to be npov. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 19:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
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-==Comparative onlys?==
-{{ping|Oknazevad}}. If I say "You are the only editor to have said this"(proper cite), that may be an acceptable sentence.
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-If, however, I say, "You have told me this only five times," that is npov comparative, even with a proper cite. There is no balancing information to surmise if "five" is a low number or a high one. There is just the pov word, "only," implying that five isn't very many. In proper context of actual values, it may represent a '''lot.''' The information should be furnished so the reader can make up her/his own mind. As an encyclopedia, we should not be "leading" the reader, as the media does, routinely. That's one of the major differences between "us" and "them." [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 20:10, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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