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'[[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]][[File:Couple 69 oral sex position on bed.jpg|left|1200px]] {{Article History |currentstatus=FA |topic=transport |maindate=7 August 2017 |action1=GAN |action1date=19 June 2017 |action1link=Talk:Disneyland Railroad/GA1 |action1result=listed |action1oldid=786387693 |action2=FAC |action2date=8 July 2017 |action2link=Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Disneyland Railroad/archive1 |action2result=promoted |action2oldid=789666699 |dykdate=17 July 2017 |dykentry= ... that several freight cars of the '''[[Disneyland Railroad]]''' ''(locomotive pictured)'' originally had no seats because [[Walt Disney]] wanted passengers to feel like cattle riding in a real [[Stock car (rail)|cattle train]]?<!--Special occasion hook for July 17--> }} {{Talk header}} {{Not a forum}} {{WikiProjectBannerShell|1= {{WikiProject Disney|class=FA|importance=high}} {{WikiProject Amusement Parks|disneyland=yes|class=FA|importance=mid|disneyland-importance=high}} {{WikiProject Trains|class=FA|importance=mid|portalSAweek=5, 2006|portaldykdate=January 4, 2007}} {{WikiProject California|la=yes|class=FA|importance=low|la-importance=|selected-article=yes}} }} {{BS template|Disneyland Railroad}} {{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis | age=2160 | archiveprefix=Talk:Disneyland Railroad/Archive | numberstart=1 | maxarchsize=75000 | header={{Automatic archive navigator}} | minkeepthreads=5 | minarchthreads=3 | format= %%i }} == Proposed merge with [[Primeval World]] == {{archive top|result=[[Primeval World]] was merged into Disneyland Railroad on 16 October 2013‎. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]^{[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<font size="-2">1000</font>]]}</span> 09:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)}} Article is unsourced, and a large portion of it violates [[WP:NOT]]. What little salvageable content there is should be merged with [[Disneyland Railroad]] and [[Western River Railroad]] <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 18:39, 9 October 2013 (UTC) *'''Oppose Merge''' The Primeval World retains its own notability and if sources are not in the article, they can be obtained very easily. [[User:Jojhutton|<font color="#A81933">JOJ</font>]] [[User talk:Jojhutton|<font color="#CC9900">^Hutton]]</font> 22:08, 9 October 2013 (UTC) ::I'll believe ''that'' when I see it. The onus is on you to find them; until you do, it fails GNG. And my comment about large portions of the article violating WP:NOT stands. Furthermore, failing GNG or not is irrelevant to a merge; articles that pass the GNG are not immune to merger <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpackonthetrail|<span style="color:#609000">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#609000;">b</span>]]<span style="color:#609000;">p</span></span> 23:12, 9 October 2013 (UTC) *'''Support''' The article is not notable enough to stand on its own, however could be merged into Disney Railroad if we could find some sources, if any. <span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:Zach Vega|<font color="#307D7E">Zach Vega</font>]] ([[User talk:Zach Vega|<font color="#7E2217">talk to me</font>]])</span> 00:24, 11 October 2013 (UTC) *'''Reopened discussion''' it's not really appropriate for the person making the proposal to decide consensus. As far as sources are concerned I have found several. I just haven't had computer time to transfer them into the article. Will do so this weekend if the family doesn't dominate my computer. [[User:Jojhutton|<font color="#A81933">JOJ</font>]] [[User talk:Jojhutton|<font color="#CC9900">^Hutton]]</font> 19:51, 16 October 2013 (UTC) ::Sorry, but the discussion has gone a week, and a majority of editors agree that, even if sources are added, the content should still be merged. As such, it was perfectly acceptable to be closed by ''anyone''. You are alone in believing that, sources or no, it deserves its own article, and if you want to add sources, they'll have to be added here, because Primeval World is not going to be kept as an article. Please stop the disruptive stonewalling <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 19:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC) {{archive bottom}} ==Lilly Belle tours restriction== I was told the new restrictions are to help preserve the carpet which is all that is left from Walt's apartment. It'll wear out anyway, but not as soon. [[User:Eeekster|Eeekster]] ([[User talk:Eeekster|talk]]) 02:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC) == Attraction or Railroad infobox == Should there be an attraction or railroad infobox? The WDW Railroad has an attraction infobox. [[User:Hawkeye75|Hawkeye75]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye75|talk]]) 23:06, 28 August 2016 (UTC) :Fundamentally, the Disneyland Railroad is both a railroad and an attraction. Serious rail enthusiasts would probably see it first and foremost as a railroad, but I believe that a general audience would see it as an attraction. I would argue that an attraction infobox would be most appropriate. And like many of the other Disney railroad attractions, the railroad-specific attributes such as track length and guage, can be provided via custom values in the infobox.[[User:Scott Roy Atwood|Scott Roy Atwood]] ([[User talk:Scott Roy Atwood|talk]]) 02:07, 29 August 2016 (UTC) ::'''Support''' - The Railroad is an attraction in a theme park. [[User:Hawkeye75|Hawkeye75]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye75|talk]]) 20:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC) :[[WP:OSE]] is not, on its own, a valid argument. To a 'general audience', it does not make a difference, as readers do not see the infobox name when viewing Wikipedia. Conversely, attraction-specific attributes can be provided via custom values in the railroad infobox. I see no reason to change the article as it stands. Regards, [[User:James Allison|James]] (^{[[User talk:James Allison|talk]]}/_{[[Special:Contributions/James Allison|contribs]]}) 19:41, 29 August 2016 (UTC ::The rail infobox does not have custom values in its syntax. [[User:Hawkeye75|Hawkeye75]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye75|talk]]) 20:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC) ::As a railroad, the Disneyland railroad is an extremely atypical example, as it doesn't really move goods or passengers around, except within the quite confined borders of the Disneyland theme park. As an attraction, it is quite typical, and the general audience is more likely to categorize it along with [[Big Thunder Mountain]] rather than [[Burlington Northern]]. Far more of the attraction infobox parameters are salient than rail infobox parameters. I would strongly support using the attraction Infobox rather than the rail infobox, and incorporate rail infobox specific parameters such as gauge and length as custom parameters. [[User:Scott Roy Atwood|Scott Roy Atwood]] ([[User talk:Scott Roy Atwood|talk]]) 04:50, 30 August 2016 (UTC) == External links modified == Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have just modified {{plural:1|one external link|1 external links}} on [[Disneyland Railroad]]. Please take a moment to review [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=754685953 my edit]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit [[User:Cyberpower678/FaQs#InternetArchiveBot|this simple FaQ]] for additional information. I made the following changes: *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20050206225104/http://disneylandtoday.com:80/Railroad/railroad.htm to http://www.disneylandtoday.com/Railroad/railroad.htm When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the ''checked'' parameter below to '''true''' or '''failed''' to let others know (documentation at {{tlx|Sourcecheck}}). {{sourcecheck|checked=false}} Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot|Report bug]])</span> 23:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC) == whistles == Should the information regarding the whistles be kept or removed (in part or in whole if that is the case)? Because when I look at it, I feel that at least 1 point is more of an opinion than it is fact. Specifically, the point about fred gurley's whistle shrieking. Wouldn't some people consider it something other than a shriek? Plus NONE of the information stated there is cited so it's hard to tell whether or not the info given is accurate. Anybody could claim that the ward Kimball's whistle is a Crosby 3 chime when it is in fact a different whistle like a lunkenheimer 3 chime.[[Special:Contributions/71.201.71.151|71.201.71.151]] ([[User talk:71.201.71.151|talk]]) 16:15, 15 December 2016 (UTC) ::The number one consideration when determining whether content in an article should be removed is whether it has a healthy amount of inline citations backing it up, and the section on whistles has none. In my opinion, it should be removed along with all of the other long-winded and unreferenced sections of the article. Having this much unimportant information about a subject is akin to an article about a famous novel having the entire text of the novel included in it. Highlighting every nitty-gritty detail and sub-topic about the subject is not how Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written and if we want the Disneyland Railroad article to eventually be returned to [[Wikipedia:Good articles|Good Article status]], the editors who added this unnecessary content need to accept that fact. '''[[User:Jackdude101|<font color="black">Jackdude</font><font color="blue">101</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Jackdude101|<font color="darkblue">Talk</font>]])</span> 04:24, 10 January 2017 (UTC) {{Talk:Disneyland Railroad/GA1}} == News butcher? == "The combine car from the Disneyland Railroad's former Retlaw 1 passenger train, one of the DRR's two original train sets, was Walt Disney's favorite train car on the railroad, as it brought back memories from his youth working as a news butcher on the Missouri Pacific Railway." What does "news butcher" mean? If it's a real term and not vandalism it should be explained.--[[User:ArnoldReinhold|agr]] ([[User talk:ArnoldReinhold|talk]]) 13:57, 7 August 2017 (UTC) {{done}} :{{Ping|ArnoldReinhold}} Yes, "news butcher" is a real term. It was a job that involved selling newspapers, candy, cigars, and other products to passengers onboard trains. It was actually a pretty common job for young boys a century ago. [[Thomas Edison]] was a news butcher when he was a kid, also, but he lost that job after he set a combine car on fire due to [[Allotropes of phosphorus#White phosphorus|white phosphorus]] igniting in a chemistry set he had onboard. The term is not used in modern times, which explains why there is no Wikipedia article about it. This same issue came up during its featured article review and was removed elsewhere in the article as a result, but it looks like we overlooked this mention of it. I just corrected that in the article. [[User:Jackdude101|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: black">Jackdude</span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: blue">101</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Jackdude101|talk]]} ^{[[Special:Contributions/Jackdude101|cont]]} 14:25, 7 August 2017 (UTC) ::{{Ping| Jackdude101}} Thanks for the info. I'd be inclined to add a section to [[Newspaper hawker]] on the railroad jobs, with a redirect from [[News butcher]], and put the term back. Do you have any good sources?--[[User:ArnoldReinhold|agr]] ([[User talk:ArnoldReinhold|talk]]) 15:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC) :::{{Ping|ArnoldReinhold}} Yes, two of the books used as sources in the article mention the term and describe it in detail, including the Edison bit I mentioned above. [[User:Jackdude101|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: black">Jackdude</span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: blue">101</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Jackdude101|talk]]} ^{[[Special:Contributions/Jackdude101|cont]]} 15:07, 7 August 2017 (UTC) ::::{{Ping| Jackdude101}} I see the Broggie (2014) p.36 reference, what is the other book ref? If I add something to the Newspaper hawker could you check that the references support what I wrote? I'm thinking about adapting the words you used above, something like "It was also common in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries for young boys to work as '''"news butchers"''', selling newspapers, candy, cigars, and other products to passengers onboard trains. [[Thomas Edison]] was a news butcher in his youth, also, but he lost that job after he set a combine car on fire due to [[Allotropes of phosphorus#White phosphorus|white phosphorus]] igniting in a chemistry set he had onboard. [[Walt Disney]] worked as news butcher on the [[Missouri Pacific Railway]] as a teenager, and his memories of that experience influenced his design of the [[Disneyland Railroad]]." --[[User:ArnoldReinhold|agr]] ([[User talk:ArnoldReinhold|talk]]) 15:26, 7 August 2017 (UTC) :::::{{Ping|ArnoldReinhold}} The other source is the Amendola (2015) book. It was not used to reference the term in the article, but that's the one where the Edison info is located. I can get the related page numbers for you and review things later today. [[User:Jackdude101|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: black">Jackdude</span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: blue">101</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Jackdude101|talk]]} ^{[[Special:Contributions/Jackdude101|cont]]} 15:34, 7 August 2017 (UTC) ::::::Great, thanks.--[[User:ArnoldReinhold|agr]] ([[User talk:ArnoldReinhold|talk]]) 16:00, 7 August 2017 (UTC) :::::::{{Ping|ArnoldReinhold}} Most of the news butcher info in the Broggie book is from pages 35 to 40 (the mention about the combine coach being Disney's favorite and how it reminded him of his youth is on page 222); the Edison info in the Amendola book is on page 22. Also, FYI, the "It was also common in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries" info is implied by the source material, but it doesn't state it outright. [[User:Jackdude101|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: black">Jackdude</span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: blue">101</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Jackdude101|talk]]} ^{[[Special:Contributions/Jackdude101|cont]]} 23:32, 7 August 2017 (UTC)'