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We are especially interested in learning how English Wikipedia determines who are qualified administrators. We want to understand the strengths and weaknesses of Wikipedia’s voting processes and identify factors that could distort these processes. Ideally our study helps to determine how the process can be further improved. To this end, we have already evaluated the thousands of English Wikipedia elections on RfAs held between 2004 and 2014. We would like to discuss our results with Wikipedians and discover answers to our unanswered questions. Therefore, we are currently looking for interviewees. I talked with User:LZia_(WMF) and asked for advice on how to communicate with enwiki community about our need for interviews and she suggested I reach out to you via this Village Pump. Ideally, you will have already participated in a Wikipedia vote and/or are considering voting yourself. It would be great if we could have a short conversation by phone / Skype / Zoom, of around 30-45 minutes. To thank you for your participation, we can offer you 85 US-Dollars (or €75). We are happy to transfer the money to you or if you prefer to the Wikimedia foundation. This interview will be used to provide background information for the evaluation of the quantitative data that we have already collected. We plan to publish our results both in scientific journals and publicly online for any interested professionals. Data protection: If you agree, we would like to record the interview. This data will only be available to the project team. If any quotes from the interview are used in publications, they will be pseudonymized. The research team is composed of Helge Klapper (Erasmus University), Linus Dahlander (ESMT) and myself, Henning Piezunka (INSEAD). If you are interested, please contact me via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Henningpiezunka. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Henningpiezunka|Henningpiezunka]] ([[User talk:Henningpiezunka#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Henningpiezunka|contribs]]) 10:08, 8 January 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> *{{ping|LZia_(WMF)}} - could you confirm that this is a genuine request? [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 10:25, 8 January 2020 (UTC). ::As a follow-up, I reached out to one of the researchers via their university contact, who has confirmed the research is occurring. [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) ::{{ping|Nosebagbear}} I can confirm that I have talked with [[User:Henningpiezunka]] about their research at a very high level, and I indeed recommended that they directly reach out to enwiki community and seek for input/participation given that the focus of their study is enwiki. For further clarity given that I'm writing this message with my WMF account: I'd like to point out that this is not a WMF Research collaboration, a WMF project or a project WMF has vetted. I provided general advice to [[User:Henningpiezunka]] in terms of interacting with you all and what I understand as the correct course of action in a case like this. I leave the decision to participate and at what level to you all as a community. If there is anything I can do to support you in your decision making, please don't hesitate to reach out. And as always: thank you for your support of research on the Wikimedia projects. --[[User:LZia (WMF)|LZia (WMF)]] ([[User talk:LZia (WMF)|talk]]) 16:45, 8 January 2020 (UTC) :{{u|Henningpiezunka}}, good luck with your research, please check the histories of interviewees as those most motivated to participate may fall outside mainstream Wikipedia views. A good litmus test would be: generally agreeing with the consensus on RFA decisions with not more than 10% of arguments going against the consensus. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' <small>([[user talk:JzG|help!]])</small> 14:29, 12 January 2020 (UTC) :::Actually that would be a very poor litmus test indeed - many of us avoid pile-ons & mainly vote when the numbers are close, or the consensus just seems wrong. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC) :I'd suggest also posting on [[WT:RFA]]. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 14:53, 12 January 2020 (UTC) :I'd be happy to be interviewed. I nominated ten successful candidates between 2010 and 2016 and maintain [[User:WereSpielChequers/RFA_stats|some stats on the RFA process]]. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span>'' 12:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC) ::Contact the address above then. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 18:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC) == [[Greek withdrawal from the eurozone]] == This article was tagged for updating in 2017 and is not only hopelessly out of date, but reflects the fake news of yesteryear. I have proposed to scrap it quite some time ago, but this was simply rejected and it is still standing there in all its ugly and biased glory. Never mind that the euro has the support of over 2/3 of Greeks today. Wikipedia is supposed to be reliable and neutral, not a collection of failed anti-European rhetoric, no matter how many Brexiteers want it otherwise. When will Wikipedia realize that this undermines its own credibility? [[User:Jcwf|Jcwf]] ([[User talk:Jcwf|talk]]) 20:18, 16 January 2020 (UTC) :If there's an article that you think should be removed, just nominate it for deletion at [[WP:AfD]]. However, I looked at the article briefly; based on the number of references from a variety of well-known reliable sources, I think it unlikely that such a nomination would go anywhere. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 21:24, 16 January 2020 (UTC) ::I would add that the article, although I agree that it needs updating, is nothing like "a collection of failed anti-European rhetoric". It simply reports what people on all sides of the debate said at the time when this was a live issue. The best approach to this would be to update it from being a current affairs report based largely on primary sources such as news reports to a proper article about history based on secondary sources such as academic books and papers, which have undoubtably been written by now. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 21:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC) == Wiki Loves Folklore == [[File:WLL Subtitled Logo (transparent).svg|100px|right|frameless]] '''Hello Folks,''' Wiki Loves Love is back again in 2020 iteration as '''[[:c:Commons:Wiki Loves Folklore|Wiki Loves Folklore]]''' from 1 February, 2020 - 29 February, 2020. Join us to celebrate the local cultural heritage of your region with the theme of folklore in the international photography contest at [https://commons.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campaign=wllove Wikimedia Commons]. Images, videos and audios representing different forms of folk cultures and new forms of heritage that haven’t otherwise been documented so far are welcome submissions in Wiki Loves Folklore. Learn more about the contest at [[m:Wiki Loves Folklore|Meta-Wiki]] and [[:c:Commons:Wiki Loves Folklore|Commons]]. '''Kind regards,'''<br/> [[:c:Commons:Wiki Loves Folklore/International Team|'''Wiki Loves Folklore International Team''']]<br/> <small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Tulsi Bhagat|<font color="black">'''Tulsi Bhagat'''</font>]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/Tulsi Bhagat|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:Tulsi Bhagat|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</small><br/> sent using [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 06:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)</small> <!-- Message sent by User:Tulsi Bhagat@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Tiven2240/wll&oldid=19716850 --> == Should the Foundation call itself Wikipedia ? == Given [https://twitter.com/fagerving/status/1218592873874165761 this] and [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2020-January/thread.html#94122 this], an RfC has been opened on meta : * [[:m:Requests for comment/Should the Foundation call itself Wikipedia]]. -- [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|talk]]) 21:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC) == Wiki Loves Women South Asia 2020 == [[File:Wiki Loves Women South Asia 2020.svg|right|frameless]] '''Wiki Loves Women''' is back with the 2020 edition. Join us to celebrate women and queer community in '''Folklore theme''' and enrich Wikipedia with the local culture of your region. Happening from 1 February-31 March, [[:m:Wiki Loves Women South Asia 2020|Wiki Loves Women South Asia]] welcomes the articles created on folk culture and gender. The theme of the contest includes, but is not limited to, women and queer personalities in folklore, folk culture (folk artists, folk dancers, folk singers, folk musicians, folk game athletes, women in mythology, women warriors in folklores, witches and witch hunting, fairytales and more). You can learn more about the scope and the prizes at the [[:m:Wiki Loves Women South Asia 2020|project page]]. Best wishes, [[:m:Wiki Loves Women South Asia 2020|Wiki Loves Women Team]] --[[User:Tiven2240|'''<span style="background color: black; color: orange">✝iѵ</span><span style="color: blue">ɛɳ</span>'''<span style="color: green">२२४०</span>]]^{[[User talk:Tiven2240|<span style="color: maroon">†ลℓк †๏ мэ</span>]]} 10:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC) == Localization wanted == [[File:30 William England - Genesee River, near Rochester.jpg|thumb|Genesee River, near Rochester]] Yesterday, I uploaded this historic view on the [[Genesee River]] from 1859. Unfortunately, I have no clue where it was taken exactly. I would guess somewhere in the [[Letchworth State Park]]. Does anyone here know these falls? Sorry, if this page isn't the right place to ask. If so, I would be grateful for a reference to the appropriate place. --[[User:Zinnmann|Zinnmann]] ([[User talk:Zinnmann|talk]]) 14:41, 19 January 2020 (UTC) ::{{ping|Zinnmann}}, I can't help with the question myself, but perhaps one of the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desks]] can help you? [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 14:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC) :::Thanks a lot. I'll try it on misc. --[[User:Zinnmann|Zinnmann]] ([[User talk:Zinnmann|talk]]) 15:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC) ::Hey, {{u|Zinnmann}}. You should try Google maps in satellite view , and then nip down into street view to identify obvious geographic features which are unlikely to change over the centuries. I live in the UK and know nothing of this river, but it took me just ten minutes to go upstream from Rochester and to check out every waterfall. [https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5840954,-78.0420071,2a,75y,206.61h,82.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szYfEnB2e28N4RMF2IDMLyA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Try this link]. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 00:09, 20 January 2020 (UTC) :::...and I reckon back in 1859 the photographer was standing [https://www.flickr.com/photos/photostoartbymike/15689516298/ at ''exactly'' this spot] at Middle Falls (50 mi upstream from Rochester). Cheers [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 00:26, 20 January 2020 (UTC) ::::Now THAT is service! [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 09:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC) ::::Hi {{u|Nick Moyes}}, thank you very much for research. That's just amazing! Google maps is a great hint for future cases. Again: Thank you very much! Best wishes! --[[User:Zinnmann|Zinnmann]] ([[User talk:Zinnmann|talk]]) 06:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC) == 6,000,000th article == Hello, folks! We are only 2,500 articles away. We should be ready to celebrate everywhere, and also congratulate the winners of the [[Wikipedia:Six-million pool|Six-million pool]] and the [[Wikipedia:Six-millionth topic pool|Six-millionth topic pool]]. --[[Special:Contributions/186.54.24.209|186.54.24.209]] ([[User talk:186.54.24.209|talk]]) 00:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC) === Countdown to six million articles === {{tlu|Wikipedia:Six million articles}} Transcluded from <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Six million articles]]</nowiki>. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Pine|<span style="color:#01796f;text-shadow:#00BFFF 0 0 1.0em">↠Pine</span>]] [[User talk:Pine|<font color="DeepSkyBlue">(<span style="color:#FFDF00 ;text-shadow:#FFDF00 0 0 1.0em"><b>✉</b></span>)</font>]]</span> 03:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC) :::that's awesome. keep us posted!! --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 03:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC) ::: I converted it to a link, since it's no longer just a countdown and was screwing up the formatting of the rest of the page. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 12:48, 23 January 2020 (UTC) ::::Only 111 left to go now!? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :::::Hurry! All the admins go to AfD and start closing deletion discussions! [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 16:45, 23 January 2020 (UTC) === Promotional banner for the 6 millionth article? === [[File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-en 5m articles.png|thumb|A special logo we ran in November 2015 to celebrate 5 million articles on the English Wikipedia]] On 1 November 2015, the five millionth article on the English Wikipedia was created, and for about a day, we ran a promotional banner over top of the Wikipedia logo celebrating the occasion. As I recall, there was also a celebratory banner with a link to [[Wikipedia:Five million articles]], an information page we created about the occasion. At the time I am writing this, we have 5,997,150 articles on English Wikipedia. So we are getting very close. I was wondering if there was any appetite for doing another run of celebrations for 6 million articles. [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 20:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC) : Previous discussions: :* [[Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 50#Logo question]] :* [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/5 millionth article logo]] : [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 21:02, 18 January 2020 (UTC) ::Well, we’re cutting it a bit fine to do anything major, but I would support using the same banner as last time (with an updated figure). Reading over past discussions, there seemed to be some opposition over the celebration of quantity over quality, but in my opinion it’s harmless to mark a significant milestone like this; other Wikipedias do it and positive publicity may attract new editors. – [[User:Teratix|Tera]]'''[[User talk:Teratix|tix]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Teratix|₵]] 00:39, 19 January 2020 (UTC) ::I'd support using the previous logo... with the number updated. It's really a milestone even though the argument for quality is good one too. The strip is quite small and non-distracting, some people may not even notice it. If there's a consensus to do this, it should be done from the server-side through phab request not via sitewide CSS. – [[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 03:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC) :Yes, I have an appetite for it. [[User:Killiondude|Killiondude]] ([[User talk:Killiondude|talk]]) 05:51, 23 January 2020 (UTC) * If I recall correctly, Fuzheado was the editor who created the last special logo. {{u|Fuzheado}}, would you be willing to create an updated logo for 6 million articles? [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 06:42, 21 January 2020 (UTC) *: Sure, I can update with 6 million. How does this look? -- [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] &#124; [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 05:42, 23 January 2020 (UTC) *::Alas, with just a couple of hundred articles to go, it may be too late to get a consensus to add the banner in time. – [[User:Teratix|Tera]]'''[[User talk:Teratix|tix]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Teratix|₵]] 10:52, 23 January 2020 (UTC) [[File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-en 6m articles.png|thumb|Logo for 6 million articles in English Wikipedia]] *'''Support''' I support the proposal to have a similar banner to the 5 million one [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 11:51, 23 January 2020 (UTC) *'''Support''' and propose that unless there is a drastic sentiment against it, we accept the foundational [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)/Archive_50#Logo_question|consensus built from 2015]] for 5 million articles and work with that as the starting point. This is in case time is short and we don't have tons of people chiming in. I have also started a narrative text at [[Wikipedia:Six_million_articles]] that hopes to capture a bit of a different spirit - that 6 million is great, but we have so much more with Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata, Wikisource, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, et al. -- [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] &#124; [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 11:57, 23 January 2020 (UTC) *'''Support''' use of the banner. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 13:56, 23 January 2020 (UTC) {{clear}} *'''Support''' Milestones and accomplishments should be celebrated, especially in a volunteer enterprise. [[User:UnitedStatesian|UnitedStatesian]] ([[User talk:UnitedStatesian|talk]]) 14:30, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :{{admin note}} {{ping|Fuzheado}} for the last time a very specific subset of sized images was created: :#[[:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-en 5m articles 135 white.png]] :#[[:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-en 5m articles 204 white.png]] :#[[:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-en 5m articles 270 white.png]] :Then we applied this with a local css hack (c.f. [[Special:PermaLink/688765970]]. This seems appropriate given the prior consensus and lack of current opposition. Can you create these exact files and have a commons admin protect them from upload please? I can pre-test on testwiki. (Please ping me on replies to this thread) — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 14:41, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :: {{ping|Xaosflux}} Ah, good point, I'll do so now. -- [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] &#124; [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 17:00, 23 January 2020 (UTC) ::: {{ping|Xaosflux}} - Files are done. Let me know if you have any issues. -- [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] &#124; [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 17:56, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :::#[[:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-en 6m articles 135 white.png]] :::#[[:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-en 6m articles 204 white.png]] :::#[[:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-en 6m articles 270 white.png]] :::::Are the completely done, i.e., do they need protected at this moment? [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 18:00, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :::::: They are not currently protected to my knowledge, so if you want to initiate that process that would be great. -- [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] &#124; [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 18:21, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :::::::{{done}} [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 18:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC) *'''Support''' This is definitely something to celebrate, and I think the community will appreciate it. --[[User:Puzzledvegetable|<u style="color:#0000ff"><span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:#000000">Puzzledvegetable</span></u>]]<b><sup style="font-family:Century Gothic">[[User talk:Puzzledvegetable|Is it teatime already?]]</sup></b> 17:37, 23 January 2020 (UTC) *'''Support''', it looks like it already happened, but a banner would be nice. [[User:Renata3|Renata]] ([[User talk:Renata3|talk]]) 19:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :{{ping|GreenMeansGo|Fuzheado|Mz7}} sample is up at [[test2wiki:Main_page]] - look OK? — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 19:17, 23 January 2020 (UTC) ::If the sample is OK'd by anyone else, and an admin can confirm that we are at 6MM now , ping me and I can make this live. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 19:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC) ::: {{ping|Xaosflux}} We are definitely past 6 million and here to stay. Go ahead and move things. :) Who's helping to figure out the 6 millionth? I have some candidates, but it's complex. -- [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] &#124; [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 19:26, 23 January 2020 (UTC) ::::Yeah. Every way I know of to check says we're about 100 past. Probably well enough margin to account for anything but a sudden massive G5 SPI closure. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 19:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :{{done}} added site-wide in [[Special:Diff/937234247]]. May take a little bit to update across cluster and caches. Any int-admin should immediately revert if something bad has happened. I can't see leaving this up for more than a couple of days, feel free to ping me when ready to come down. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 19:32, 23 January 2020 (UTC) ::{{re|Xaosflux}} <small>(not int-admin)</small> Looks good to me! Also tested on various Apple devices via Responsive Design Mode. --<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Geneva,sans-serif">[[User:QEDK|qedk]] ([[User talk:QEDK|t]] <span style="color:#fac">桜</span> [[Special:Contributions/QEDK|c]])</span> 19:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :::{{ping|Xaosflux|Fuzheado}} Thank you both so much for rolling with this! Embarrassingly, I was asleep while all the changes were being discussed. [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 20:00, 23 January 2020 (UTC) * As for duration, should probably be up for 2-3 days maximum. --<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Geneva,sans-serif">[[User:QEDK|qedk]] ([[User talk:QEDK|t]] <span style="color:#fac">桜</span> [[Special:Contributions/QEDK|c]])</span> 19:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC) *:I support having it up for '''three days'''. [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''CaptainEek'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]] 19:45, 23 January 2020 (UTC) * {{ping|Xaosflux|Fuzheado}} For 5 million articles we had text on the Main Page using [[Template:Main Page banner]], see [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_Page_banner&oldid=688516932]. Are we ready to reintroduce the text for [[Wikipedia:Six million articles]]? [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 00:12, 24 January 2020 (UTC) ===Article identity=== Do we know what the 6 millionth article was? How do we go about finding that out? [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''CaptainEek'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]] 19:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :This has always been more of an art than a science, since the article count in constantly in flux due to deletions. The previous thread for determining this is at [[Wikipedia talk:Five million articles#Thread for determining 5 millionth article]], which we could look at for some strategies. What I would start doing is look at the current article count, then scroll through [[Special:NewPages]] to find the ballpark area, then pick one we agree on is the six millionth. [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 20:06, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :See [[Wikipedia talk:Six million articles]] if you want to help figure it out! — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 20:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :Could ''anything'' possibly be less significant than ''which'' dubious article is number 6,000,000? (Also, it is indeterminate.) - [[User:A876|A876]] ([[User talk:A876|talk]]) 18:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC) ::Aw, don't be like that—it's all just for fun. You're right that we cannot know for certain. As I understand it, we went through to find the time around which the 6,000,000 should have been created, made a shortlist of articles created around that time, and then picked the best, most promising article out of that bunch. What we were left with was '''[[Maria Elise Turner Lauder]]''', created by {{noping|Rosiestep}}. [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 19:24, 24 January 2020 (UTC) == Wikimedia 2030 community discussions: Influence our shared future! == [[File:Knowledge_belongs_to_all_of_us_-_2030.wikimedia.org.webm|thumbtime=01:03|350px|right]] From today on to 21 February, the last facilitated round of movement discussions on the Wikimedia 2030 recommendations will be held. I created a dedicated page: '''[[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2018–20]]'''. These conversations offer the opportunity to review the movement strategy draft recommendations, and discuss how English Wikipedia community would be affected as well as how well they align with the strategic direction. Wikimedians across the world have been shaping the 2030 strategy since 2017. The first phase was aimed at establishing a shared strategic direction: that [[m:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Direction|by 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be able to join us]]. This vision of Wikimedia’s future is shared by all of us, irrespective of background (such as home wiki, culture, etc.) or contributing model (some of us don’t edit, and yet, do take part in fulfilling the Wikimedia mission). Wikimedia 2018–2020 is all about recommendations that answer the question: what systemic changes in our worldwide movement are needed to advance this vision? These new draft recommendations are intentionally broad and focused on long-term impact. However, they will inevitably be familiar to many of you. Your previous feedback was taken into account, and the recommendations are based upon both 2017 and 2019 discussions reports. Since July 2018, a group of more than 90 volunteers from across the Wikimedia movement have worked to produce various drafts of recommendations to support this change. This effort is now reaching its final stage, and we invite you to [[m:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20/Recommendations|review and discuss the new strategy recommendations]]. This final set synthesizes all previous drafts, and will offer a clear and condensed product for your review. After the discussions, the recommendations will be finalized, and presented at the Wikimedia Summit in Berlin. Soon after that, the implementation phase will begin. You can learn more about the process of forming these recommendations and the next steps in [[wp:Wikipedia Signpost/2019-11-29/In focus|the Signpost’s text]] by {{u|Risker}}, and in a [[m:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20/Frequently asked questions|dedicated FAQ]] on Meta-Wiki. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 21:55, 20 January 2020 (UTC) ::this sounds excellent, {{u|SGrabarczuk_(WMF)}}. thanks so much for posting this info. I will tag a few other editors who might be interested in this as well. Hey, {{u|Bluerasberry}}, {{u|Ipigott}}, {{u|Michael E Nolan}}, feel free to check out the process noted above. thanks!!! --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 17:40, 21 January 2020 (UTC) :::Hi {{u|SGrabarczuk_(WMF)}}. sorry, could you please let me know where I might go to discuss this? I'm not sure where to go, based on the pages that I read there. thanks. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 17:44, 21 January 2020 (UTC) ::::[[Wikipedia talk:Wikimedia Strategy 2018-20]] is a reasonable place for general discussion, or on the talk page for each specific recommendation. Comments are welcomed on anything, but I'm not sure that all of these recommendations (even if they were all adopted in their present forms) really apply to this particular community. [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 17:45, 22 January 2020 (UTC) ::Thanks for sharing this. [[User:Michael E Nolan|Michael E Nolan]] ([[User talk:Michael E Nolan|talk]]) 18:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC) *Sigh... I tried to read the material linked... and I have to say that it is utterly incomprehensible. Both the goals and recommendations are so full of buzzwords and jargon that I can not understand what is being proposed. It needs a complete rewrite into plain English. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 20:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC) ::blue boar, those are my thoughts exactly. I’m starting work on that now but’s it’s still in progress. Come by and check my contribs to see what I’m working on. I could use your input. Thanks!!!! —[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 23:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC) ::As I indicated on the [[:m:Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20/Recommendations|discussion page on Meta]], there is a deeply sad irony that in a process where the core driver is supposed to be that [[:m:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover note|the Movement must embrace inclusion and equity as principles]], what they have actually produced is nearly incomprehensible to anyone not steeped in the esoteric jargon and buzzwords, still mostly meaningless to those who are, entirely opaque to anyone who doesn't read English at a doctoral level, and apparently completely impossible to translate. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 15:32, 23 January 2020 (UTC) OK, I made some changes to the [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2018–20]] page and created sub-pages with all the recommendations and additional materials. And, hopefully this is a useful advise, please read the recommendations through the lens of the [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Strategy 2018–20/Principles|Principles]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC) == Category on Commons == As specified [https://icmorosini.edu.it/index.php/le-nostre-scuole here] and [https://www.icmorosini.gov.it/index.php/le-nostre-scuole/scuola-primaria here] the Category:Palazzo Molin (San Polo) on Commons is wrong. That builiding, is the Palazzo Donà delle Rose, not Palazzo Molin. Correction is necessary. --[[Special:Contributions/93.34.228.189|93.34.228.189]] ([[User talk:93.34.228.189|talk]]) 11:14, 21 January 2020 (UTC) :Pinging {{re|Abxbay}} who created the category originally. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 17:43, 21 January 2020 (UTC) :: Thanks! Additionally, the Canal is my primary school, who I will love forever, I'm sure of what I'm saying... --[[Special:Contributions/93.34.228.189|93.34.228.189]] ([[User talk:93.34.228.189|talk]]) 18:09, 21 January 2020 (UTC) :: {{ping|Abxbay}}{{ping|GreenMeansGo}} In [http://s01-stagingportale.regione.veneto.it/web/sanita%20/contatta-gli-uffici this page] you can notice that Palazzo Molin is located in San Polo 2514 (Palazzo Donà delle Rose is 2515) and in [http://s01-stagingportale.regione.veneto.it/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=15246b91-6982-43b0-86c5-9da3037d4575&groupId=10793 this pdf] (page 8) there is a image of Palazzo Molin. --[[Special:Contributions/93.34.228.189|93.34.228.189]] ([[User talk:93.34.228.189|talk]]) 08:29, 22 January 2020 (UTC) == Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project == Hello The Wikimedia Foundation’s Community Development team is seeking to learn more about the way volunteers learn and develop into the many different roles that exist in the movement. Our goal is to build a movement informed framework that provides shared clarity and outlines accessible pathways on how to grow and develop skills within the movement. To this end, we are looking to speak with you, our community to learn about your journey as a Wikimedia volunteer. Whether you joined yesterday or have been here from the very start, we want to hear about the many ways volunteers join and contribute to our movement. To learn more about the project, [[:m:special:MyLanguage/Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project|please visit the Meta page]]. If you are interested in participating in the project, please complete [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSegM07N1FK_s0VUECM61AlWOthwdn5zQOlVsa2vaKcx13BwZg/viewform?usp=sf_link this simple Google form]. Although we may not be able to speak to everyone who expresses interest, we encourage you to complete this short form if you are interested in participating! -- [[user:LMiranda (WMF)|LMiranda (WMF)]] ([[user talk:LMiranda (WMF)|talk]]) 19:01, 22 January 2020 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Trizek_(WMF)/sandbox/temp_MassMessage_list&oldid=19738989 --> ::hi. I would definitely like to add some data to this great effort. I will fill out the forms requested. thanks, {{u|LMiranda (WMF)}}. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 19:12, 22 January 2020 (UTC) == Follow editor == {{tracked|T2470}} How can I add all edits from a certain editor to my watchlist? Not edits per article, but edits per editor. Alternatively, I would be satisfied by the possibility to receive an update when a certain editor makes an edit. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 22:06, 22 January 2020 (UTC) :{{re|Debresser}} you can't - there is a 15+ year old outstanding request on this at: [[phab:T2470]] you could follow. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 00:05, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :: Then it's about time. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 00:12, 24 January 2020 (UTC) == Where to get help with the article for [[Ecological grief]] == Hi all I've recently added some content to [[Ecological grief]] and plan to do more in the future, could someone suggest some Wikiprojects etc where I could ask for help with it ? Thanks [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 18:51, 23 January 2020 (UTC) == 6,000,000 articles 👍 == {{main|WP:6M}} Congrats on your 6,000,000th article, and many more to come! --[[User:Alvaro Vidal-Abarca|Alvaro Vidal-Abarca]] ([[User talk:Alvaro Vidal-Abarca|talk]]) 22:13, 23 January 2020 (UTC) :Congratulations! --[[User:Daniele Pugliesi|Daniele Pugliesi]] ([[User talk:Daniele Pugliesi|talk]]) 22:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC) ::Congratulatins from it.wikipedia! :-) --[[User:Phyrexian|Phyrexian]] [[User talk:Phyrexian|ɸ]] 03:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC) :::Hurray! [[User:Jingiby|Jingiby]] ([[User talk:Jingiby|talk]]) 06:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC) * Came to say that the globe logo with that red banner is fugly and distracting. Could it please be fixed to use the regular logo's color scheme, or better yet, eliminate the banner altogether and just put a blurb somewhere? The red banner clobbered my eyeballs so badly every time I viewed a page, that I had to adblock the logo to be able to see the page in peace. [[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:4FFF|2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:4FFF]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:4FFF|talk]]) 06:27, 24 January 2020 (UTC) ::You'll survive, I'm sure. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 06:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC) :::I'm not bothered by it now that I've adblocked it into invisibility. But I should not have to adblock Wikipedia. Though, I have the privacy invasion beacon also adblocked, so there is that. [[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:4FFF|2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:4FFF]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:4FFF|talk]]) 19:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC) :I absolutely agree. The bright red clashes with the blue/grey standard skin, to the point where it is constantly dragging one's eyes away from the page, on the impression that an error has occurred. Please get rid of the red. [[User:Eleuther|Eleuther]] ([[User talk:Eleuther|talk]]) 08:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC) ::I agree that it is not the best colour choice. Looks a bit like those spam ad links to me, to be honest. But, what's done is done, and changing it to anything else would just create more distraction. I think we should simply let it run its course now. Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 09:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC) :::For background, the logo here is a modification of what was chosen at [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/5 millionth article logo]] when we hit 5 million articles. The reason why we didn't run another selection RfC this year is because we didn't notice the article count getting close until it was too late. It's only going to run for a day or two, anyway, so I agree there's no use in changing it (and for what it's worth, I think it looks clean and appropriately celebratory, and the claims of unbearable distraction seem exaggerated). I suppose we can change this to another color in 5 years when we hit 7 million. [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 18:32, 24 January 2020 (UTC) ::::Also on the stay side - I don't view as either a flaw or a celebratory colour - to me I just keep thinking that there's a notification icon that's on the left for some reason. Jeez, colours are complicated. [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) :::::Yeah, I'm exactly the same. I keep thinking there's a notification or alert of some kind, pretty distracting. – '''[[User:Juliancolton|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Juliancolton|^{<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray;text-shadow:gray .2em .18em .12em">''Talk''</span>}]] 22:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC) ::::If it's going away in a few days then it's not worth changing, but I think it is quite obnoxious and also that "celebratory" is inappropriate for something like this. It should be informational rather than celebratory, per WP:NPOV. [[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:4FFF|2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:4FFF]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8202:96B0:0:0:0:4FFF|talk]]) 19:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC) == Wrong labels translation == The File:Antonino Cannavacciuolo-signature.svg on Commons have some translation errors in the labels. In the Details section, “SVG sviluppo” should be “Sviluppo SVG”, and “Questa firma è stata creata con un ignoto SVG programma.” should be “Questa firma è stata creata con un programma SVG ignoto.”. How can I fix? --[[Special:Contributions/2001:B07:6442:8903:B9F7:34B4:B495:EEAF|2001:B07:6442:8903:B9F7:34B4:B495:EEAF]] ([[User talk:2001:B07:6442:8903:B9F7:34B4:B495:EEAF|talk]]) 16:39, 24 January 2020 (UTC) :Hey anon. You may want to try on [[:c:Commons:Help desk]]. There's probably more Italian speakers around there than there are here. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 16:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)'