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I made the following changes: *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20061031100214/http://www.aec.at/en/archives/festival_archive/festival_catalogs/festival_artikel.asp?iProjectID=8537 to http://www.aec.at/en/archives/festival_archive/festival_catalogs/festival_artikel.asp?iProjectID=8537 *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120528092810/http://switch.sjsu.edu/nextswitch/switch_engine/front/front.php?artc=222 to http://switch.sjsu.edu/nextswitch/switch_engine/front/front.php?artc=222 *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20061025010850/http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_07.16.98/news_views/eyenet16.html to http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_07.16.98/news_views/eyenet16.html *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060202114820/http://library.cant.ac.uk/e-resources/rbs-art.htm to http://library.cant.ac.uk/e-resources/rbs-art.htm *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150912172219/http://www.xminc.com/mt/archives/2003_09.html to http://www.xminc.com/mt/archives/2003_09.html *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070122132507/http://art.ntu.ac.uk/performance_research/birringer/daplit3.htm to http://art.ntu.ac.uk/performance_research/birringer/daplit3.htm When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. {{sourcecheck|checked=false|needhelp=}} Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot|Report bug]])</span> 06:12, 7 December 2017 (UTC) hello <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/39.50.124.166|39.50.124.166]] ([[User talk:39.50.124.166#top|talk]]) 07:12, 13 February 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == Communication == Altogether the hacker makes it a point that all known collective thoughts derive from talking together on Usenet so as to be discreet about their "culture." As if someone named such and such came along with names like Johnathan etcetera. It is important that the way they feel is only a small portion of their communal activity and ongoing warfare, be it real or not. As people delve further into the computer including 'Local Chat,' the thing really starts moving along. When there might be some shift in the attitude or of the feeling users or slaves play at the computer generation, there might also be a smaller niche for `real computers,` including new "family computers" for the modern age. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2605:A000:1301:8172:0:534D:6174:EE60|2605:A000:1301:8172:0:534D:6174:EE60]] ([[User talk:2605:A000:1301:8172:0:534D:6174:EE60#top|talk]]) 05:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == Definition == The reference to phreak is rather ambiguous. Phreak refers very specifically to phone hackers. Some would fall into what is termed cracker others simply explored the system solely for the understanding of it. As for warez d00d or whatever.. this is a bizarre term that's not used really. There are scenekids ie. Warez scene, which has it's own wiki article, there crackers are not the crackers we see used here as a term to refer to security related hackers, but those who crack the DRM on softmedia the couriers who race to move the cracked release of software, movies, music, or other digital media to top sites, you have leeches who are end users who download it for themselves. This needs to be heavily addressed as this article is not well written nor proper in it's definitions of things. Another thing to address is the statement that crackers rely on luck or whatever it is trying to express. We've several terms for those who don't use skill, albeit they're not using luck per see but rather they're using vulnerabilities and the explots for these vulnerabilities found by others as scriptkids, or skids. Cracker in the infosec community specifically refers to those who are bypassing legitimate security illicitly. Whitehat hackers are not referred to as crackers in this specific manner, albeit in team operations found in pentesting groups you may have a designations which include cracker, who's focus is cracking specific subsets of security, compare with social engineers who use human interaction as the approach vector to gaining access. This is not the cracker in the general sense of the netsec "cracker" or blackhat. I hope some effort to clean up this chatoic mess that sounds more like something on a quickly written mass media sites attempting to publish an article that portrays them as being in on the culture. [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:CDD2:7440:B099:C34F:6AAD:A16|2602:306:CDD2:7440:B099:C34F:6AAD:A16]] ([[User talk:2602:306:CDD2:7440:B099:C34F:6AAD:A16|talk]]) 11:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC) == oh shit d00dz == The terminology used here should be relegated to a separate page on "early 90s hacker jargon, mostly incorrect". No one says d00dz or samurai with a straight face, and phreak NEVER referred to a skill level. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:199.241.174.137|199.241.174.137]] ([[User talk:199.241.174.137#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/199.241.174.137|contribs]]) 14:34, 24 July 2018 (UTC)</small> == Problems in the lead == [[WP:LEAD|The lead]] " The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents". If it is written well it should not need any citations because as a summary of the rest of the article, the citations will be in the article. In this case it would stop contradictions appearing in the lead which can better be sorted out [[WP:NPOV|with balance]] within the main body of the article. For example the lead currently includes "{{green|in a spirit of playfulness and exploration is termed "hacking". However, the defining characteristic of a hacker is not the activities performed themselves (e.g. programming), but the manner in which it is done[3] and whether it is something exciting and meaningful.}}" Just below this However the definition lower down says "Richard Stallman explains about hackers who program:" {{quote|What they had in common was mainly love of excellence and programming. They wanted to make their programs that they used be as good as they could. They also wanted to make them do neat things. They wanted to be able to do something in a more exciting way than anyone believed possible and show "Look how wonderful this is. I bet you didn't believe this could be done".}} A lot of the best hacking is not done in primarily a spirit of playfulness it is done for the same reason as UNIX (developed for hackers by hackers) -- uses short command names like "rm" and you asked for it you got it (no "are you sure? Are you really sure?"); in old UNIX systems the root home dir set to "/" to allow for a one time only "cd; rm -r *" to be performed -- it is often done for through overwork/time-constraints/laziness as well as a spirit of playfulness. Why write verbose code when the same can be written tersely and elegantly? And as everyone knows "Documentation doesn't even have to compile"). So I think that most of what is currently in the lead should be moved down into the body of the text and then the lead should be rewritten as a summary of the content of the body of the article. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 14:24, 3 July 2019 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020 == {{edit semi-protected|Hacker culture|answered=no}} {{subst:trim|1= <!-- State UNAMBIGUOUSLY your suggested changes below this line, preferably in a "change X to Y" format. Other editors need to know what to add or remove. Blank edit requests will be declined. --> <!-- Write your request ABOVE this line and do not remove the tildes and curly brackets below. --> }} ~~~~'