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'{{Talk Header}} {{WikiProject banner shell|1= {{WikiProject Film|class=B|American-task-force=yes|Comic-book-task-force=yes|mcu=yes|mcu-importance=mid}} {{WikiProject Fictional characters|class=B}} {{WikiProject Comics |class=B |importance=Low |Comic-book-films-work-group=yes |Marvel-work-group=yes |US-work-group=yes}} {{WikiProject Norse history and culture |class=B |importance=Low}} {{WikiProject Mythology |class=B |importance=Low |norse=yes}} <!--{{WikiProject Television|class=C|mcu=yes|mcu-importance=mid}}--> }} == The current info box image is awful == Surely something better is available? [[User:Argento Surfer|Argento Surfer]] ([[User talk:Argento Surfer|talk]]) 18:47, 26 December 2018 (UTC) * I have no objection if something better can be found. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:06, 26 December 2018 (UTC) Probably [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgu623YyhT5wwMuF-8tV0v3pOmui9TZhr5tA&usqp=CAU this] [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 15:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC) Thor 1 (mcu).jpg This image looks great. Can we use it as the official image. It's mcu Thor s symbolic look. And he is clearly portrayed. This image has all the features required So why remove it?? The discussion hasn't been moving forward. That's why I'm putting this here [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 15:54, 14 September 2022 (UTC) == Requested move 19 January 2019 == <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"><!-- Template:RM top --> :''The following is a closed discussion of a [[WP:requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. '' The result of the move request was: '''Not moved'''. Most of the opposition is based on TWODABS; no need for a dab page. Has anyone considered simply [[:Thor (cinematic character)]] as the title of this article? <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 17:54, 30 January 2019 (UTC) ---- [[:Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] → {{no redirect|Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe character)}} – The current title is ambiguous with [[Thor (film)]] which is also something from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Per [[WP:INCDAB]] and [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films)#Character articles]], the correct way to disambiguate would be to add "character". The current title should redirect to [[Thor (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 15:48, 19 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''', largely per [[WP:TWODABS]]. The disambiguation function is already adequately served by the hatnote. I would not be opposed to moving this title to [[Thor Odinson (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]], as that really is his canon equivalent of a surname. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:26, 19 January 2019 (UTC) **Could you point to what exactly in WP:TWODABS you are referring to? I'm not sure I see what you are referring to there. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 18:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC) *** "If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, and one is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page is not needed—it is sufficient to use a hatnote on the primary topic article, pointing to the other article. (This means that readers looking for the second topic are spared the extra navigational step of going through the disambiguation page.)" Here, there are only two possibilities, the character and the film. Because we can't have a disambiguation page at the title "Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)" per [[WP:INCOMPDAB]], that title would then point to [[Thor (disambiguation)]], which would be less helpful to readers than the hatnote is now. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:16, 19 January 2019 (UTC) ****Ok, so you were referring to that, but this page isn't the primary topic as can be seen by the fact that it has disambiguation and per [[WP:INCDAB]] {{tq|When a more specific title is still ambiguous, but not enough so to call for double disambiguation, it should redirect back to the main disambiguation page}}. It's too soon to check page views comparisons for this page, but given the fact that the first film gets more page views then the comic character article (as can be seen [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2018-01&end=2018-12&pages=Thor_(film)|Thor_(Marvel_Comics) here]), I'd even say that if we go with a primary (which again, I'm not in favor as a disambiguation cannot be a primary) then the film would still be it. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 19:32, 19 January 2019 (UTC) ***** If these were unrelated topics pageviews might matter, but they are not. The film, ''Thor'', is a subtopic of the MCU character, Thor. If the character didn't exist, then the film ''could not'' exist, although it would have been possible to have Thor appear in the Avengers without having his own origin story film. This is comparable to [[George Washington in the American Revolution]] - if the article on this aspect of the person's life was the most-viewed, we still wouldn't make it the primary topic of George Washington, or even consider moving [[George Washington]] to a different title to accommodate any perceived ambiguity. Although the film and character in this case are fictional, the character is still the thing the film is about. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 20:02, 19 January 2019 (UTC) ******Not nearly the same situation. #1 the article isn't titled [[George Washington (American Revolution)]] and [[George Washington]] doesn't have any disambiguation (= primary topic) - which is unlike this article which does have disambiguation, hence not being a primary topic of anything. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:21, 20 January 2019 (UTC) ******* [[George Washington (disambiguation)]] does exist, however. The character, Thor, is the primary topic of the phrase [[Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] in the same way that the President, George Washington, is the primary topic of the phrase [[George Washington]]. Furthermore, the function of disambiguating the topics is already accomplished in the hatnote. There is no reason to send readers to a completely different disambiguation page to find the exact same link to the film. This gives ''no additional help'' to readers searching for the film, since they can already find it on the article proposed to be moved, while inconveniencing readers who are, in fact, looking for the character. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose'''. I get where this request is coming from, but [[WP:TWODABS]] applies here. '''<span style="border: 1px #8C001A solid;background:#8C001A">[[User:Calidum|<span style="color: #FFFDD0;">Calidum</span>]]</span>''' 20:47, 19 January 2019 (UTC) * I'm going to '''support''' this, as per [[WP:INCDAB]] and [[WP:PRECISE]]. --[[User:IJBall|IJBall]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/IJBall|contribs]] • [[User talk:IJBall|talk]])</small> 21:40, 19 January 2019 (UTC) ** {{ping|IJBall}}, what are your thoughts on the alternative proposal to move this to [[Thor Odinson (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]]? [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:49, 19 January 2019 (UTC) *** It's an OK alternative proposal... My main issue with it is that I don't think "Thor Odinson" is the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] (which is Favre1fan93's point below). --[[User:IJBall|IJBall]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/IJBall|contribs]] • [[User talk:IJBall|talk]])</small> 02:15, 20 January 2019 (UTC) **** Well, if we were do a count, then names like "Steve Rogers" aren't common either, since almost always he's referred to as some variation of "Steve", "Captain Rogers", "Cap", "Captain America", etc. So its not really about COMMONNAME, but more about [[WP:RECOGNIZABILITY]], [[WP:PRECISION]], and [[WP:NATURAL]]. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 02:51, 20 January 2019 (UTC) * '''Support''' per Gonnym and IJBall. Also, I don't think "Thor Odinson (Marvel Cinematic Universe)" is really an option, because while true, "Thor" is still the character's [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 01:23, 20 January 2019 (UTC) ** I agree that Thor is the common name, which why this is the current title of the article. However, since we are talking about moving it, I would consider adding "Odinson" to be a better solution than adding "character". None of the titles on other MCU characters have "character" in the title, but they do have the character surname. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' per [[WP:CONCISE]], [[WP:TWODABS]], and [[WP:INUNIVERSE]]. [[Thor (film)]] is a real-world entity (with a cast, director, premiere date, etc) and is not part of the fictional Marvel Cinematic Universe. The only Thor that is within that fictional universe is Thor Odinson. Any confusion is handled adequately by the hatnote, and we don't need to be pedantic. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 02:33, 20 January 2019 (UTC) ** ''Thor'', the film, is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe ''fictional universe'', but he is part of the actual real-world entity movie franchise which is called the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which the fictional character article disambiguation also uses. The fictional universe isn't called MCU, it is in-fact called "Earth-199999". So if we were to use this for the character it would be [[Thor (Earth-199999)]]. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:21, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *** Well, that's just out of left-field. Sources regarding this topic do not use Earth-2123456 or whatever. The fictional universe is called Marvel Cinematic Universe (you call tell its right from the word "Universe" in it, not "Franchise" or "Film Series". -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 10:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC) **** [https://screenrant.com/mcu-movies-multiverse/ "Interestingly, the MCU universe is technically classed as Earth-199999"], [https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/09/20/7-ways-the-marvel-cinematic-universe-can-include-the-x-men "The Marvel Cinematic Universe is itself just one universe among hundreds of thousands that make up the Marvel multiverse. It's designated Earth-199999"], [https://books.google.co.il/books?id=YdGvDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA227&lpg=PA227&dq=marvel+cinematic+universe+Earth-199999&source=bl&ots=haVhIBfg1H&sig=ACfU3U0Z78Qlp9nFg1EhestUrj7em6N6cQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTxcq5lvzfAhVRKBoKHcdFBYw4HhDoATAHegQIBRAB#v=onepage&q=marvel%20cinematic%20universe%20Earth-199999&f=false several reference in the book ''Make Ours Marvel: Media Convergence and a Comics Universe''] (I'm sure there are more, didn't need to search long for these as these were first page results). Not every franchise needs to be called "X franchise", if the franchise has a unique name then there is no need for it. Also, we do not need to search too far, [[Marvel Cinematic Universe]] first sentence says this: {{tq|The Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) is an American media franchise and shared universe}} - which means it is both. Feel free to remove the "franchise" part and see if it sticks. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *****. Again, pedantic. No one has expressed ''actual confusion'' related to the naming of this article. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 11:19, 20 January 2019 (UTC) ******It's so great having a discussion with an editor who places an argument which turns out to be incorrect and instead of admitting it was incorrect, resolves to commenting on the editor. Lovely. Also, no need for "actual confusion" as we cannot test that with the current tools Wikipedia has, all we can is turn to our guidelines which clearly say that if it the title is ambiguous, it should not be, which has been proven. Anyways, this specific sub-discussion has seem to run its course. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 11:25, 20 January 2019 (UTC) ******* Its not incorrect. You go searching for a specific phrase and you will absolutely find a ''small minority'' of sources which reference it. Its called "selection bias" or "confirmation bias" and its a misued tactic in RM discussions all the time. Use the sources of this article, or survey a broad selection of sources to get a general impression on how its handled. Dont plug in keywords and come back with 2-3 links which you think makes your case a "slam dunk". The MCU shared universe meaning came first, and was adopted as a shorthand to describe the collection of films. The Earth-199999 designation came long after to make the MCU "fit" into established comics multiverse numbering - but its a point of trivia, not a common way to describe the fictional universe. Lastly, "pedantic" was a comment on the arguments made, not the editor - I used the same word in my original vote, not directed at anyone in particular, just the tendency of to be too unnecessarily strict and enraptured by the minutae of our guidelines rather than actually benefiting readers and editors working with this article. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 12:06, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Neutral comment''' There is also [[Iron Man (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] which you lot might want to look at after to decide if that is appropriate as it is a similar situation to this. --[[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 12:53, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' as unnecessary. It is consistent with how "(comics)" disambiguation terms are used. I'm sure there are a number of comic book characters whose article titles need to be disambiguated and also have their own specific comic book lines, e.g., [[Black Panther (comics)]], [[Tick (comics)]], and [[Spawn (comics)]]. We don't get these characters mixed up with their comic book lines of the same name. We don't need to get more detailed here for similar reasons. EDIT: We even have [[Thor (Marvel Comics)]] to refer to the figure without needing "character". [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 18:56, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' per [[WP:TWODABS]]. In the unlikely scenario a user somehow gets here but wants the film, the hatnote will fix the problem. (And per Netholic, unless the MCU gets really meta, the current title is reasonably precise anyway - Thor-the-film/documentary is probably not an in-universe part of the MCU.) [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 21:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Comment''' I think moving it to [[Thor Odinson (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] instead would fix the problem better as someone propossed above.[[User:&#42;Treker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:&#42;Treker|talk]]) 17:33, 26 January 2019 (UTC) ---- :''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section.''<!-- Template:RM bottom --></div> == Appearances in derivative media == Should there be mentions made of the fact that the tie-in games to the films and the ''Team Thor'' [[mockumentary]] shorts are in large meant to be (or at least heavily inspired by) this version of the character?[[User:&#42;Treker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:&#42;Treker|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC) == Big three Avengers? == The [[Special:PermanentLink/898073502|current version of the page]] refers to Thor as "one of the Big Three Avengers along with Iron Man and Captain America". The term "big three" appears nowhere either on this page or on [[Avengers (comics)]]. The rest of the paragraph consists of speculation about Steve Rogers not appearing again (he might, in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier) and Thor appearing again in Thor 4 (which might not be made). I think it's cleanest to remove this paragraph. [[User:Airbornemihir|Airbornemihir]] ([[User talk:Airbornemihir|talk]]) 07:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC) :[[Special:Diff/898077511|Done]]. [[User:Airbornemihir|Airbornemihir]] ([[User talk:Airbornemihir|talk]]) 07:27, 21 May 2019 (UTC) ==Time travel== {{Moved discussion to|Talk:Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Time travel category}} {{archive top}} [[Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Steve Rogers]] and [[Tony Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Tony Stark]] are both categorized as time travelers, but none of the other participants in the Time Heist seen in ''[[Avengers: Endgame]]'' are categorized as such. [[Bruce Banner (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Bruce Banner]], [[Clint Barton (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Clint Barton]], [[Scott Lang (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Scott Lang]], [[Natasha Romanoff (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Natasha Romanoff]], and [[Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Thor]] should all be included in the category "Time travelers." --[[User:IJVin|IJVin]] ([[User talk:IJVin|talk]]) 21:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC) :Same answer as on the talk page for Bruce Banner: this is not a defining character trait for any of them. Cat has been removed from Steve and Tony's articles. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 22:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC) :: Reposting to avoid disparate content in duplicate discussions: Steve Rogers (the "man out of time") is the one MCU character for whom there is general agreement that time travel is a defining characteristic. He is known to have originated in World War II, and is often referenced in terms of his being from a different time. He also happens to do more intentional time travel than any other MCU character. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC) :::Let's continue this at the Bruce Banner talk so we aren't have the same discussion twice. [[Talk:Bruce Banner (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Time travel]] - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 23:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC) {{archive bottom}} Further moved to [[Talk:Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Time travel category]]. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 20:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC) ==New Odin draft== I’m just letting people know that there is a draft about Odin called [[Draft:Odin (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]]. It needs cleaned/expanded. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. 🙂 [[User:Sahaib3005|Sahaib3005]] ([[User talk:Sahaib3005|talk]]) 18:25, 10 July 2021 (UTC) : I see that this draft has been deleted as abandoned. I suspect that if Odin is again revived in a ''What If'' series or the like, so should the draft. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 06:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC) == First paragraph and short description templates == In the first paragraph it says that Thor joined the Guardians of the Galaxy. I want to take this out but I can't because it is generated by a 'short description' template. What are these, and how do I edit them? [[User:Macadamia of the LeafWings|Macadamia of the LeafWings]] | [[User talk:Macadamia of the LeafWings|HEAR ME ROAR!!]] | [[Special:contribs/Macadamia of the LeafWings|Contribs]] | [[User:Macadamia of the LeafWings/Guestbook|My Guestbook📖]] 01:00, 25 July 2021 (UTC) : It's not in the short description template, but in the infobox. That said, I think he pretty clearly did join the Guardians of the Galaxy at the end of ''Avengers: Endgame'', hence the entire exchange with Peter Quill about who was in charge. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 01:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC) Ohhhhh, I must have missed that. Thanks, and sorry. [[User:Macadamia of the LeafWings|Macadamia of the LeafWings]] | [[User talk:Macadamia of the LeafWings|HEAR ME ROAR!!]] | [[Special:contribs/Macadamia of the LeafWings|Contribs]] | [[User:Macadamia of the LeafWings/Guestbook|My Guestbook📖]] 01:43, 25 July 2021 (UTC) == A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion == The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion: * [[commons:File:What If Thor were an Only Child.jpg|What If Thor were an Only Child.jpg]]<!-- COMMONSBOT: speedy | 2022-01-15T15:22:20.107824 | What If Thor were an Only Child.jpg --> You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —[[User:Community Tech bot|Community Tech bot]] ([[User talk:Community Tech bot|talk]]) 15:22, 15 January 2022 (UTC) == Infobox image == Can we change the infobox image please? [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 20:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :Is there a particular reason or an alternative you'd like to suggest? —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 20:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :: I have reverted the change that was made unilaterally, restoring the better-lit and more action-oriented image that has been on the page for almost its entire existence. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 20:58, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :::Comparing the images, I find the status-quo image to be a better visual aid with high visibility due to the outdoor lighting. The newer one is too dark all around. [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 21:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :::: I would suggest that if we are going to have a change of image (and I am by no means opposed to that outcome) we should set out the options here and discuss them first. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 21:13, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :::::The previous image is taken from a very akward position. It also looks very bland. I would still suggest changing the image to a better version. The second image had much more detail. :::::Also the status quo image kinda looks ugly. Shouldn't we have an image, where Thor actually looks great? [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 21:19, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Lord kai07 ::::::Opinions may vary, but more editors seem to think that the proposed alternative is not an improvement. There must be thousands of images of Thor in the MCU to choose from. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 21:39, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :::::::I can't see the proposed image anymore, but [[WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT]] ({{tqq|kinda looks ugly}}) is not a good reason to change the status quo. Personally, I feel the current image is a pretty good representation of the character. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 00:35, 3 September 2022 (UTC) How about this [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsdebating/images/7/76/Thor_TheAvengers_render.png/revision/latest?cb=20170410181715 image] or [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8WL5TfBky4z114Cxjwn5z6UG_AVV54QoJ5A&usqp=CAU this] Will this work? I believe This [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTprG-il0jZ4HHjnwltDmLo24lxuPfI7Bm_TQ&usqp=CAU image] definitely looks better. I will just make a list of images: *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgu623YyhT5wwMuF-8tV0v3pOmui9TZhr5tA&usqp=CAU 1] *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbjrU98si6R_DrDnWDV3KnAW1hqDOBtKZ-8w&usqp=CAU 2] *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXPxwyK_9Qnz9BbVXZsQ6neY21Lp6p850QSw&usqp=CAU 3] *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKOCrAF28Q370vusWXe59gzQLmJnvKrkQfeQ&usqp=CAU 4] *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBUDmY71ENTpVnjxtb9EYcvOpVBcItEuql1g&usqp=CAU 5] Or a cropped edit of this [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_YMsIptS-Dy9vYvXp9Jv01mwMAY4UlRaHng&usqp=CAU one] <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]) </span> :I don't think any of those are a particular improvement over this one. None of the arguments that the image needs to be changed seem to be compelling. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 19:04, 3 September 2022 (UTC) :: I wouldn't use any of the images of Thor with the short hair from ''Ragnarok''/''Infinity War'', as that is not his usual look, nor would I use images with a blank background or other characters standing right behind him in the background. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC) :::Stock/promo art images shouldn't be used. I agree with BD2412 that Thor's look in ''Ragnarok'' and ''Infinity War'' is not representative of his usual appearance. Same goes for ''Endgame'', for obvious reasons. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 04:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC) :::: Also, we already have a "Thorbowski" image in the article to illustrate that appearance. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 05:10, 4 September 2022 (UTC) But the first image was directly taken from Thor 2 .It perfectly represents him [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 15:36, 4 September 2022 (UTC) This [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTprG-il0jZ4HHjnwltDmLo24lxuPfI7Bm_TQ&usqp=CAU image]? Or [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgu623YyhT5wwMuF-8tV0v3pOmui9TZhr5tA&usqp=CAU this]? These two images are only from Thor 2. The lightning is clear. It fully shows Thor in his usual appearance. No background characters. And it's taken from the movie. [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 15:39, 4 September 2022 (UTC) :Not action poses so not better to status quo image. Thanks, [[User:Indagate|Indagate]] ([[User talk:Indagate|talk]]) 15:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC) :: I think the general takeaway is that an image for this infobox should 1) be a still from actual media, not a blank background; 2) without other characters in the immediate background; 3) show the subject in his typical look, not various one-off looks; 4) conveys action. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC) *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTprG-il0jZ4HHjnwltDmLo24lxuPfI7Bm_TQ&usqp=CAU Typical look 1] *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgu623YyhT5wwMuF-8tV0v3pOmui9TZhr5tA&usqp=CAU Typical look 2] Sir can you please take a look at these two images.[[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 07:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC) ::You had already included these two images, none of which convey action, which according to BD2412 is the reason why they're not better than the image currently in use. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 14:06, 6 September 2022 (UTC) :::But he is in action. [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 04:50, 7 September 2022 (UTC) ::::No, he's not. He's just standing. Not every frame from an action scene conveys action and neither of those do. Now, I don't think it should be ''required'' that the character is in action pose, but there's no parameter I can think of by which those two pictures are better than the current one. I'd advise you [[WP:DROPTHESTICK]] if you don't have more arguments against the current picture. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 04:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC) The current infobox image doesn't potray the front side of Thor s armour. It is moved sideways. His face isn't clearly shown. It's blurry and his eyes aren't properly shown. Mjolnir isn't properly shown. There are multiple characters behind him. Then I don't think there is any rule for a character to be actually in action to be in a Wikipedia image. These are my arguments against the current infobox picture. Can we please replace that image with a better one?? [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 12:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC) [[Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] Also In this page we don't see Steve Rogers in action in his Infobox. He is just standing. So i don't really think it matters, if the character is in action or not. [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 15:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC) Thor 1 (mcu).jpg This image looks great. Can we use it as the official image. It's mcu Thor s symbolic look. And he is clearly portrayed. This image has all the features required So why remove it?? The discussion hasn't been moving forward. That's why I'm putting this here. [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 04:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC) *'''Note''': [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] has been blocked for using a sockpuppet to add images to this article during the course of this discussion. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 04:46, 25 September 2022 (UTC) The block has been removed. Do I have the permission to remove this chat??? [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 06:56, 26 November 2022 (UTC) : It is never permissible to delete comments by another editor. Wikipedia maintains a permanent record of all all discussions, so that future editors can see what has already been discussed and resolved with respect to the article. Once a talk page has grown beyond a certain size, after some period of inactivity (usually a couple months), discussions may be moved to a talk page archive, but clearly there is still editing activity in this section as of today, so that will put off any archiving of this section. As you can see, there are still discussions begun in 2018 on this page, which suggests that it will be several years before anything needs to be archived here. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 12:13, 26 November 2022 (UTC) == A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion == The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion: * [[commons:File:Thor 1 (mcu).jpg|Thor 1 (mcu).jpg]]<!-- COMMONSBOT: speedy | 2022-09-14T18:21:59.569119 | Thor 1 (mcu).jpg --> You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —[[User:Community Tech bot|Community Tech bot]] ([[User talk:Community Tech bot|talk]]) 18:22, 14 September 2022 (UTC) == Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for speedy deletion == The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for speedy deletion: * [[commons:File:Thor 2.jpg|Thor 2.jpg]]<!-- COMMONSBOT: speedy | 2022-09-14T18:37:21.551275 | Thor 2.jpg --> * [[commons:File:Thor as a child.jpg|Thor as a child.jpg]]<!-- COMMONSBOT: speedy | 2022-09-14T18:37:21.551275 | Thor as a child.jpg --> * [[commons:File:Thor fighting frost giants.jpg|Thor fighting frost giants.jpg]]<!-- COMMONSBOT: speedy | 2022-09-14T18:37:21.551275 | Thor fighting frost giants.jpg --> * [[commons:File:Thor in Ragnarok (mcu).jpg|Thor in Ragnarok (mcu).jpg]]<!-- COMMONSBOT: speedy | 2022-09-14T18:37:21.551275 | Thor in Ragnarok (mcu).jpg --> You can see the reasons for deletion at the file description pages linked above. —[[User:Community Tech bot|Community Tech bot]] ([[User talk:Community Tech bot|talk]]) 18:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)'
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'{{Talk Header}} {{WikiProject banner shell|1= {{WikiProject Film|class=B|American-task-force=yes|Comic-book-task-force=yes|mcu=yes|mcu-importance=mid}} {{WikiProject Fictional characters|class=B}} {{WikiProject Comics |class=B |importance=Low |Comic-book-films-work-group=yes |Marvel-work-group=yes |US-work-group=yes}} {{WikiProject Norse history and culture |class=B |importance=Low}} {{WikiProject Mythology |class=B |importance=Low |norse=yes}} <!--{{WikiProject Television|class=C|mcu=yes|mcu-importance=mid}}--> }} == The current info box image is awful == Surely something better is available? [[User:Argento Surfer|Argento Surfer]] ([[User talk:Argento Surfer|talk]]) 18:47, 26 December 2018 (UTC) * I have no objection if something better can be found. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:06, 26 December 2018 (UTC) Probably [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgu623YyhT5wwMuF-8tV0v3pOmui9TZhr5tA&usqp=CAU this] [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 15:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC) Thor 1 (mcu).jpg This image looks great. Can we use it as the official image. It's mcu Thor s symbolic look. And he is clearly portrayed. This image has all the features required So why remove it?? The discussion hasn't been moving forward. That's why I'm putting this here [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 15:54, 14 September 2022 (UTC) == Requested move 19 January 2019 == <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"><!-- Template:RM top --> :''The following is a closed discussion of a [[WP:requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. '' The result of the move request was: '''Not moved'''. Most of the opposition is based on TWODABS; no need for a dab page. Has anyone considered simply [[:Thor (cinematic character)]] as the title of this article? <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 17:54, 30 January 2019 (UTC) ---- [[:Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] → {{no redirect|Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe character)}} – The current title is ambiguous with [[Thor (film)]] which is also something from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Per [[WP:INCDAB]] and [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films)#Character articles]], the correct way to disambiguate would be to add "character". The current title should redirect to [[Thor (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 15:48, 19 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''', largely per [[WP:TWODABS]]. The disambiguation function is already adequately served by the hatnote. I would not be opposed to moving this title to [[Thor Odinson (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]], as that really is his canon equivalent of a surname. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:26, 19 January 2019 (UTC) **Could you point to what exactly in WP:TWODABS you are referring to? I'm not sure I see what you are referring to there. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 18:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC) *** "If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, and one is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page is not needed—it is sufficient to use a hatnote on the primary topic article, pointing to the other article. (This means that readers looking for the second topic are spared the extra navigational step of going through the disambiguation page.)" Here, there are only two possibilities, the character and the film. Because we can't have a disambiguation page at the title "Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)" per [[WP:INCOMPDAB]], that title would then point to [[Thor (disambiguation)]], which would be less helpful to readers than the hatnote is now. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:16, 19 January 2019 (UTC) ****Ok, so you were referring to that, but this page isn't the primary topic as can be seen by the fact that it has disambiguation and per [[WP:INCDAB]] {{tq|When a more specific title is still ambiguous, but not enough so to call for double disambiguation, it should redirect back to the main disambiguation page}}. It's too soon to check page views comparisons for this page, but given the fact that the first film gets more page views then the comic character article (as can be seen [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2018-01&end=2018-12&pages=Thor_(film)|Thor_(Marvel_Comics) here]), I'd even say that if we go with a primary (which again, I'm not in favor as a disambiguation cannot be a primary) then the film would still be it. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 19:32, 19 January 2019 (UTC) ***** If these were unrelated topics pageviews might matter, but they are not. The film, ''Thor'', is a subtopic of the MCU character, Thor. If the character didn't exist, then the film ''could not'' exist, although it would have been possible to have Thor appear in the Avengers without having his own origin story film. This is comparable to [[George Washington in the American Revolution]] - if the article on this aspect of the person's life was the most-viewed, we still wouldn't make it the primary topic of George Washington, or even consider moving [[George Washington]] to a different title to accommodate any perceived ambiguity. Although the film and character in this case are fictional, the character is still the thing the film is about. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 20:02, 19 January 2019 (UTC) ******Not nearly the same situation. #1 the article isn't titled [[George Washington (American Revolution)]] and [[George Washington]] doesn't have any disambiguation (= primary topic) - which is unlike this article which does have disambiguation, hence not being a primary topic of anything. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:21, 20 January 2019 (UTC) ******* [[George Washington (disambiguation)]] does exist, however. The character, Thor, is the primary topic of the phrase [[Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] in the same way that the President, George Washington, is the primary topic of the phrase [[George Washington]]. Furthermore, the function of disambiguating the topics is already accomplished in the hatnote. There is no reason to send readers to a completely different disambiguation page to find the exact same link to the film. This gives ''no additional help'' to readers searching for the film, since they can already find it on the article proposed to be moved, while inconveniencing readers who are, in fact, looking for the character. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose'''. I get where this request is coming from, but [[WP:TWODABS]] applies here. '''<span style="border: 1px #8C001A solid;background:#8C001A">[[User:Calidum|<span style="color: #FFFDD0;">Calidum</span>]]</span>''' 20:47, 19 January 2019 (UTC) * I'm going to '''support''' this, as per [[WP:INCDAB]] and [[WP:PRECISE]]. --[[User:IJBall|IJBall]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/IJBall|contribs]] • [[User talk:IJBall|talk]])</small> 21:40, 19 January 2019 (UTC) ** {{ping|IJBall}}, what are your thoughts on the alternative proposal to move this to [[Thor Odinson (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]]? [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:49, 19 January 2019 (UTC) *** It's an OK alternative proposal... My main issue with it is that I don't think "Thor Odinson" is the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] (which is Favre1fan93's point below). --[[User:IJBall|IJBall]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/IJBall|contribs]] • [[User talk:IJBall|talk]])</small> 02:15, 20 January 2019 (UTC) **** Well, if we were do a count, then names like "Steve Rogers" aren't common either, since almost always he's referred to as some variation of "Steve", "Captain Rogers", "Cap", "Captain America", etc. So its not really about COMMONNAME, but more about [[WP:RECOGNIZABILITY]], [[WP:PRECISION]], and [[WP:NATURAL]]. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 02:51, 20 January 2019 (UTC) * '''Support''' per Gonnym and IJBall. Also, I don't think "Thor Odinson (Marvel Cinematic Universe)" is really an option, because while true, "Thor" is still the character's [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 01:23, 20 January 2019 (UTC) ** I agree that Thor is the common name, which why this is the current title of the article. However, since we are talking about moving it, I would consider adding "Odinson" to be a better solution than adding "character". None of the titles on other MCU characters have "character" in the title, but they do have the character surname. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' per [[WP:CONCISE]], [[WP:TWODABS]], and [[WP:INUNIVERSE]]. [[Thor (film)]] is a real-world entity (with a cast, director, premiere date, etc) and is not part of the fictional Marvel Cinematic Universe. The only Thor that is within that fictional universe is Thor Odinson. Any confusion is handled adequately by the hatnote, and we don't need to be pedantic. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 02:33, 20 January 2019 (UTC) ** ''Thor'', the film, is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe ''fictional universe'', but he is part of the actual real-world entity movie franchise which is called the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which the fictional character article disambiguation also uses. The fictional universe isn't called MCU, it is in-fact called "Earth-199999". So if we were to use this for the character it would be [[Thor (Earth-199999)]]. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:21, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *** Well, that's just out of left-field. Sources regarding this topic do not use Earth-2123456 or whatever. The fictional universe is called Marvel Cinematic Universe (you call tell its right from the word "Universe" in it, not "Franchise" or "Film Series". -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 10:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC) **** [https://screenrant.com/mcu-movies-multiverse/ "Interestingly, the MCU universe is technically classed as Earth-199999"], [https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/09/20/7-ways-the-marvel-cinematic-universe-can-include-the-x-men "The Marvel Cinematic Universe is itself just one universe among hundreds of thousands that make up the Marvel multiverse. It's designated Earth-199999"], [https://books.google.co.il/books?id=YdGvDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA227&lpg=PA227&dq=marvel+cinematic+universe+Earth-199999&source=bl&ots=haVhIBfg1H&sig=ACfU3U0Z78Qlp9nFg1EhestUrj7em6N6cQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTxcq5lvzfAhVRKBoKHcdFBYw4HhDoATAHegQIBRAB#v=onepage&q=marvel%20cinematic%20universe%20Earth-199999&f=false several reference in the book ''Make Ours Marvel: Media Convergence and a Comics Universe''] (I'm sure there are more, didn't need to search long for these as these were first page results). Not every franchise needs to be called "X franchise", if the franchise has a unique name then there is no need for it. Also, we do not need to search too far, [[Marvel Cinematic Universe]] first sentence says this: {{tq|The Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) is an American media franchise and shared universe}} - which means it is both. Feel free to remove the "franchise" part and see if it sticks. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *****. Again, pedantic. No one has expressed ''actual confusion'' related to the naming of this article. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 11:19, 20 January 2019 (UTC) ******It's so great having a discussion with an editor who places an argument which turns out to be incorrect and instead of admitting it was incorrect, resolves to commenting on the editor. Lovely. Also, no need for "actual confusion" as we cannot test that with the current tools Wikipedia has, all we can is turn to our guidelines which clearly say that if it the title is ambiguous, it should not be, which has been proven. Anyways, this specific sub-discussion has seem to run its course. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 11:25, 20 January 2019 (UTC) ******* Its not incorrect. You go searching for a specific phrase and you will absolutely find a ''small minority'' of sources which reference it. Its called "selection bias" or "confirmation bias" and its a misued tactic in RM discussions all the time. Use the sources of this article, or survey a broad selection of sources to get a general impression on how its handled. Dont plug in keywords and come back with 2-3 links which you think makes your case a "slam dunk". The MCU shared universe meaning came first, and was adopted as a shorthand to describe the collection of films. The Earth-199999 designation came long after to make the MCU "fit" into established comics multiverse numbering - but its a point of trivia, not a common way to describe the fictional universe. Lastly, "pedantic" was a comment on the arguments made, not the editor - I used the same word in my original vote, not directed at anyone in particular, just the tendency of to be too unnecessarily strict and enraptured by the minutae of our guidelines rather than actually benefiting readers and editors working with this article. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 12:06, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Neutral comment''' There is also [[Iron Man (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] which you lot might want to look at after to decide if that is appropriate as it is a similar situation to this. --[[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 12:53, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' as unnecessary. It is consistent with how "(comics)" disambiguation terms are used. I'm sure there are a number of comic book characters whose article titles need to be disambiguated and also have their own specific comic book lines, e.g., [[Black Panther (comics)]], [[Tick (comics)]], and [[Spawn (comics)]]. We don't get these characters mixed up with their comic book lines of the same name. We don't need to get more detailed here for similar reasons. EDIT: We even have [[Thor (Marvel Comics)]] to refer to the figure without needing "character". [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 18:56, 20 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' per [[WP:TWODABS]]. In the unlikely scenario a user somehow gets here but wants the film, the hatnote will fix the problem. (And per Netholic, unless the MCU gets really meta, the current title is reasonably precise anyway - Thor-the-film/documentary is probably not an in-universe part of the MCU.) [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 21:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Comment''' I think moving it to [[Thor Odinson (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] instead would fix the problem better as someone propossed above.[[User:&#42;Treker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:&#42;Treker|talk]]) 17:33, 26 January 2019 (UTC) ---- :''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section.''<!-- Template:RM bottom --></div> == Appearances in derivative media == Should there be mentions made of the fact that the tie-in games to the films and the ''Team Thor'' [[mockumentary]] shorts are in large meant to be (or at least heavily inspired by) this version of the character?[[User:&#42;Treker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:&#42;Treker|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC) == Big three Avengers? == The [[Special:PermanentLink/898073502|current version of the page]] refers to Thor as "one of the Big Three Avengers along with Iron Man and Captain America". The term "big three" appears nowhere either on this page or on [[Avengers (comics)]]. The rest of the paragraph consists of speculation about Steve Rogers not appearing again (he might, in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier) and Thor appearing again in Thor 4 (which might not be made). I think it's cleanest to remove this paragraph. [[User:Airbornemihir|Airbornemihir]] ([[User talk:Airbornemihir|talk]]) 07:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC) :[[Special:Diff/898077511|Done]]. [[User:Airbornemihir|Airbornemihir]] ([[User talk:Airbornemihir|talk]]) 07:27, 21 May 2019 (UTC) ==Time travel== {{Moved discussion to|Talk:Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Time travel category}} {{archive top}} [[Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Steve Rogers]] and [[Tony Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Tony Stark]] are both categorized as time travelers, but none of the other participants in the Time Heist seen in ''[[Avengers: Endgame]]'' are categorized as such. [[Bruce Banner (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Bruce Banner]], [[Clint Barton (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Clint Barton]], [[Scott Lang (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Scott Lang]], [[Natasha Romanoff (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Natasha Romanoff]], and [[Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Thor]] should all be included in the category "Time travelers." --[[User:IJVin|IJVin]] ([[User talk:IJVin|talk]]) 21:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC) :Same answer as on the talk page for Bruce Banner: this is not a defining character trait for any of them. Cat has been removed from Steve and Tony's articles. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 22:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC) :: Reposting to avoid disparate content in duplicate discussions: Steve Rogers (the "man out of time") is the one MCU character for whom there is general agreement that time travel is a defining characteristic. He is known to have originated in World War II, and is often referenced in terms of his being from a different time. He also happens to do more intentional time travel than any other MCU character. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC) :::Let's continue this at the Bruce Banner talk so we aren't have the same discussion twice. [[Talk:Bruce Banner (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Time travel]] - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 23:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC) {{archive bottom}} Further moved to [[Talk:Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Time travel category]]. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 20:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC) ==New Odin draft== I’m just letting people know that there is a draft about Odin called [[Draft:Odin (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]]. It needs cleaned/expanded. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. 🙂 [[User:Sahaib3005|Sahaib3005]] ([[User talk:Sahaib3005|talk]]) 18:25, 10 July 2021 (UTC) : I see that this draft has been deleted as abandoned. I suspect that if Odin is again revived in a ''What If'' series or the like, so should the draft. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 06:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC) == First paragraph and short description templates == In the first paragraph it says that Thor joined the Guardians of the Galaxy. I want to take this out but I can't because it is generated by a 'short description' template. What are these, and how do I edit them? [[User:Macadamia of the LeafWings|Macadamia of the LeafWings]] | [[User talk:Macadamia of the LeafWings|HEAR ME ROAR!!]] | [[Special:contribs/Macadamia of the LeafWings|Contribs]] | [[User:Macadamia of the LeafWings/Guestbook|My Guestbook📖]] 01:00, 25 July 2021 (UTC) : It's not in the short description template, but in the infobox. That said, I think he pretty clearly did join the Guardians of the Galaxy at the end of ''Avengers: Endgame'', hence the entire exchange with Peter Quill about who was in charge. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 01:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC) Ohhhhh, I must have missed that. Thanks, and sorry. [[User:Macadamia of the LeafWings|Macadamia of the LeafWings]] | [[User talk:Macadamia of the LeafWings|HEAR ME ROAR!!]] | [[Special:contribs/Macadamia of the LeafWings|Contribs]] | [[User:Macadamia of the LeafWings/Guestbook|My Guestbook📖]] 01:43, 25 July 2021 (UTC) == A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion == The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion: * [[commons:File:What If Thor were an Only Child.jpg|What If Thor were an Only Child.jpg]]<!-- COMMONSBOT: speedy | 2022-01-15T15:22:20.107824 | What If Thor were an Only Child.jpg --> You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —[[User:Community Tech bot|Community Tech bot]] ([[User talk:Community Tech bot|talk]]) 15:22, 15 January 2022 (UTC) == Infobox image == Can we change the infobox image please? [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 20:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :Is there a particular reason or an alternative you'd like to suggest? —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 20:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :: I have reverted the change that was made unilaterally, restoring the better-lit and more action-oriented image that has been on the page for almost its entire existence. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 20:58, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :::Comparing the images, I find the status-quo image to be a better visual aid with high visibility due to the outdoor lighting. The newer one is too dark all around. [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 21:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :::: I would suggest that if we are going to have a change of image (and I am by no means opposed to that outcome) we should set out the options here and discuss them first. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 21:13, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :::::The previous image is taken from a very akward position. It also looks very bland. I would still suggest changing the image to a better version. The second image had much more detail. :::::Also the status quo image kinda looks ugly. Shouldn't we have an image, where Thor actually looks great? [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 21:19, 2 September 2022 (UTC)Lord kai07 ::::::Opinions may vary, but more editors seem to think that the proposed alternative is not an improvement. There must be thousands of images of Thor in the MCU to choose from. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 21:39, 2 September 2022 (UTC) :::::::I can't see the proposed image anymore, but [[WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT]] ({{tqq|kinda looks ugly}}) is not a good reason to change the status quo. Personally, I feel the current image is a pretty good representation of the character. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 00:35, 3 September 2022 (UTC) How about this [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsdebating/images/7/76/Thor_TheAvengers_render.png/revision/latest?cb=20170410181715 image] or [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8WL5TfBky4z114Cxjwn5z6UG_AVV54QoJ5A&usqp=CAU this] Will this work? I believe This [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTprG-il0jZ4HHjnwltDmLo24lxuPfI7Bm_TQ&usqp=CAU image] definitely looks better. I will just make a list of images: *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgu623YyhT5wwMuF-8tV0v3pOmui9TZhr5tA&usqp=CAU 1] *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbjrU98si6R_DrDnWDV3KnAW1hqDOBtKZ-8w&usqp=CAU 2] *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXPxwyK_9Qnz9BbVXZsQ6neY21Lp6p850QSw&usqp=CAU 3] *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKOCrAF28Q370vusWXe59gzQLmJnvKrkQfeQ&usqp=CAU 4] *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBUDmY71ENTpVnjxtb9EYcvOpVBcItEuql1g&usqp=CAU 5] Or a cropped edit of this [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_YMsIptS-Dy9vYvXp9Jv01mwMAY4UlRaHng&usqp=CAU one] <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]) </span> :I don't think any of those are a particular improvement over this one. None of the arguments that the image needs to be changed seem to be compelling. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 19:04, 3 September 2022 (UTC) :: I wouldn't use any of the images of Thor with the short hair from ''Ragnarok''/''Infinity War'', as that is not his usual look, nor would I use images with a blank background or other characters standing right behind him in the background. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC) :::Stock/promo art images shouldn't be used. I agree with BD2412 that Thor's look in ''Ragnarok'' and ''Infinity War'' is not representative of his usual appearance. Same goes for ''Endgame'', for obvious reasons. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 04:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC) :::: Also, we already have a "Thorbowski" image in the article to illustrate that appearance. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 05:10, 4 September 2022 (UTC) But the first image was directly taken from Thor 2 .It perfectly represents him [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 15:36, 4 September 2022 (UTC) This [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTprG-il0jZ4HHjnwltDmLo24lxuPfI7Bm_TQ&usqp=CAU image]? Or [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgu623YyhT5wwMuF-8tV0v3pOmui9TZhr5tA&usqp=CAU this]? These two images are only from Thor 2. The lightning is clear. It fully shows Thor in his usual appearance. No background characters. And it's taken from the movie. [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 15:39, 4 September 2022 (UTC) :Not action poses so not better to status quo image. Thanks, [[User:Indagate|Indagate]] ([[User talk:Indagate|talk]]) 15:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC) :: I think the general takeaway is that an image for this infobox should 1) be a still from actual media, not a blank background; 2) without other characters in the immediate background; 3) show the subject in his typical look, not various one-off looks; 4) conveys action. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC) *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTprG-il0jZ4HHjnwltDmLo24lxuPfI7Bm_TQ&usqp=CAU Typical look 1] *[https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgu623YyhT5wwMuF-8tV0v3pOmui9TZhr5tA&usqp=CAU Typical look 2] Sir can you please take a look at these two images.[[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 07:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC) ::You had already included these two images, none of which convey action, which according to BD2412 is the reason why they're not better than the image currently in use. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 14:06, 6 September 2022 (UTC) :::But he is in action. [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 04:50, 7 September 2022 (UTC) ::::No, he's not. He's just standing. Not every frame from an action scene conveys action and neither of those do. Now, I don't think it should be ''required'' that the character is in action pose, but there's no parameter I can think of by which those two pictures are better than the current one. I'd advise you [[WP:DROPTHESTICK]] if you don't have more arguments against the current picture. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 04:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC) The current infobox image doesn't potray the front side of Thor s armour. It is moved sideways. His face isn't clearly shown. It's blurry and his eyes aren't properly shown. Mjolnir isn't properly shown. There are multiple characters behind him. Then I don't think there is any rule for a character to be actually in action to be in a Wikipedia image. These are my arguments against the current infobox picture. Can we please replace that image with a better one?? [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 12:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC) [[Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] Also In this page we don't see Steve Rogers in action in his Infobox. He is just standing. So i don't really think it matters, if the character is in action or not. [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 15:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC) Thor 1 (mcu).jpg This image looks great. Can we use it as the official image. It's mcu Thor s symbolic look. And he is clearly portrayed. This image has all the features required So why remove it?? The discussion hasn't been moving forward. That's why I'm putting this here. [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 04:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC) *'''Note''': [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] has been blocked for using a sockpuppet to add images to this article during the course of this discussion. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 04:46, 25 September 2022 (UTC) The block has been removed. Do I have the permission to remove this chat??? [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 06:56, 26 November 2022 (UTC) : It is never permissible to delete comments by another editor. Wikipedia maintains a permanent record of all all discussions, so that future editors can see what has already been discussed and resolved with respect to the article. Once a talk page has grown beyond a certain size, after some period of inactivity (usually a couple months), discussions may be moved to a talk page archive, but clearly there is still editing activity in this section as of today, so that will put off any archiving of this section. As you can see, there are still discussions begun in 2018 on this page, which suggests that it will be several years before anything needs to be archived here. 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