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***''> even left a warning''<br>Content removals shouldn't be unexplained, be it within the mainspace or elsewhere. And [[WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] please. — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 22:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC) |
***''> even left a warning''<br>Content removals shouldn't be unexplained, be it within the mainspace or elsewhere. And [[WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] please. — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 22:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC) |
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****Mike Novikoff, would you just stop victimizing yourself? You're harassing other users, you're removing other people's edits just because those edits don't agree with your personal opinion, you wrote a highly biased essay (original research) to justify your opinion, and yet you have the cheek to accuse other people of attacking you. The problem clearly lies with you, not with others. [[User:Taurus Littrow|Taurus Littrow]] ([[User talk:Taurus Littrow|talk]]) 22:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC) |
****Mike Novikoff, would you just stop victimizing yourself? You're harassing other users, you're removing other people's edits just because those edits don't agree with your personal opinion, you wrote a highly biased essay (original research) to justify your opinion, and yet you have the cheek to accuse other people of attacking you. The problem clearly lies with you, not with others. [[User:Taurus Littrow|Taurus Littrow]] ([[User talk:Taurus Littrow|talk]]) 22:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC) |
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*****Please see [[WP:NPA#WHATIS]] ({{tq|Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence}}) and [[WP:AVOIDYOU]] ({{tq|arguments should not be personalized; that is, they should be directed at content and actions rather than people}}). — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 05:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC) |
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**''> but he moved it back''<br>...and an admin have told you to stop. — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 22:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC) |
**''> but he moved it back''<br>...and an admin have told you to stop. — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 22:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC) |
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*I've never said it's an established rule, I just use a shortcut within my edit summaries to explain my point. — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 22:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC) |
*I've never said it's an established rule, I just use a shortcut within my edit summaries to explain my point. — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 22:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 05:47, 21 January 2021
Moving the essay
This essay is a personal (and very biased) opinion of Mike Novikoff. Things wouldn't be so bad had the user not reverted other people's edits and referred to this essay as if it were an established rule or something. This is why I strongly suggest that the essay be moved to Mike Nofikoff's user space or elsewhere. Moscow_Connection Nfitz SebastianHelm Liz Any comments/suggestions? Taurus Littrow (talk) 21:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- I've tried to move the essay to Mike Novikoff's userspace, but he moved it back. Maybe it should be just deleted. Cause if it is not deleted, it will continue to be used as justification for controversial edits. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:17, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Deleting it will be just fine. Note that he also added the link to it here: Romanization of Russian, and when Stephen_MUFC tried to remove the link, he put it back and even left a warning on the user's page! Very dishonest and uncooperative behavior. This is a serious encyclopedia, not Mike Novikoff's personal blog. I wonder if something could be done about this user. Taurus Littrow (talk) 22:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- > even left a warning
Content removals shouldn't be unexplained, be it within the mainspace or elsewhere. And no personal attacks please. — Mike Novikoff 22:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)- Mike Novikoff, would you just stop victimizing yourself? You're harassing other users, you're removing other people's edits just because those edits don't agree with your personal opinion, you wrote a highly biased essay (original research) to justify your opinion, and yet you have the cheek to accuse other people of attacking you. The problem clearly lies with you, not with others. Taurus Littrow (talk) 22:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Please see WP:NPA#WHATIS (
Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence
) and WP:AVOIDYOU (arguments should not be personalized; that is, they should be directed at content and actions rather than people
). — Mike Novikoff 05:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Please see WP:NPA#WHATIS (
- Mike Novikoff, would you just stop victimizing yourself? You're harassing other users, you're removing other people's edits just because those edits don't agree with your personal opinion, you wrote a highly biased essay (original research) to justify your opinion, and yet you have the cheek to accuse other people of attacking you. The problem clearly lies with you, not with others. Taurus Littrow (talk) 22:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- > even left a warning
- > but he moved it back
...and an admin have told you to stop. — Mike Novikoff 22:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Deleting it will be just fine. Note that he also added the link to it here: Romanization of Russian, and when Stephen_MUFC tried to remove the link, he put it back and even left a warning on the user's page! Very dishonest and uncooperative behavior. This is a serious encyclopedia, not Mike Novikoff's personal blog. I wonder if something could be done about this user. Taurus Littrow (talk) 22:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- I've never said it's an established rule, I just use a shortcut within my edit summaries to explain my point. — Mike Novikoff 22:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- This essay is clearly original research, so you can't possibly use it to justify your reverts of other people's edits. The problem with you is that it's not an honest mistake; you obviously realize that your behavior is dishonest and misleading, and yet you persist at it. Not a good thing. The essay should definitely be removed. Taurus Littrow (talk) 22:46, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe you'll start with explaining your own edits first? When you add these stress marks, you don't explain why you are doing this. Please also note that WP:OR does not apply to essays. — Mike Novikoff 23:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I guess I'll just write my own essay (which will state exactly the opposite) and then use it as a justification for reverting other people's edits, no problem. P.S. The arguments for using stress marks were listed by Moscow_Connection on your page, so you're obviously familiar with them. I'll include them into my essay, sure enough. Taurus Littrow (talk) 23:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Please do. I really wonder what rationale your essay will contain except the obvious "It is common practice for Russian encyclopedias to mark stresses", and will it convince anyone in English encyclopedia. — Mike Novikoff 00:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I guess I'll just write my own essay (which will state exactly the opposite) and then use it as a justification for reverting other people's edits, no problem. P.S. The arguments for using stress marks were listed by Moscow_Connection on your page, so you're obviously familiar with them. I'll include them into my essay, sure enough. Taurus Littrow (talk) 23:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe you'll start with explaining your own edits first? When you add these stress marks, you don't explain why you are doing this. Please also note that WP:OR does not apply to essays. — Mike Novikoff 23:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- This essay is clearly original research, so you can't possibly use it to justify your reverts of other people's edits. The problem with you is that it's not an honest mistake; you obviously realize that your behavior is dishonest and misleading, and yet you persist at it. Not a good thing. The essay should definitely be removed. Taurus Littrow (talk) 22:46, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- I saw this at WP:ANI. No more essays please. Everyone should work on this essay (since it is in Wikipedia space). It looks like there is a significant disagreement so an RfC will be required. Or, if the essay is considered undesirable, it should be discussed at WP:MFD where one possible result might be "userfy", that is, move to the creator's user space. Johnuniq (talk) 01:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps a disagreement is not so significant as it may seem from ANI. In fact, I'm doing this kind of spelling corrections for a couple of years already, and I use the shortcut to this essay since September, yet there are only two (or three?) users who oppose, one of them never saw it before yesterday and none of them have provided valid arguments. On the other hand, there are tens if not hundreds of users who saw my edit summaries with a shortcut, and I dare say they form a kind of WP:IMPLICITCONSENSUS. — Mike Novikoff 04:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)