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Some template moves
Hi Primefac. Could you take a look at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 72#Di templates and suggest a possible next course of action? -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I would start an RM about the matter. As much as the "D" stands for "discussion", the two or three times I've seen someone attempt to use TFD as an actual venue for discussion they pretty much got shouted out of the room. Primefac (talk) 10:19, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking a look. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi again Primefac. I made a request at WP:RM for these templates and they were moved accordingly; however, the wording in the templates and the corresponding notification templates weren't changed. I thought that would all be taken care of as part of the move, but it wasn't. The templates are protected and I can't edit them myself. Do I need to make another RM request for notification templates or can any admin just do the rest of the cleanup? — Marchjuly (talk) 14:22, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- A {{TPER}} would be needed to change things in the template itself, otherwise just let me know specifically what needs fixing and I'll get to it. Primefac (talk) 14:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- There appears to be a dummy link in each template's "Usage" section that still refers to it by its old name. There's also a link in each template's "Notify" section to a notification template as well, but each corresponding notification template may need a separate move to reflect the parent template's name change. Basically, it looks like the only thing that needs to be changed is "fair use" to "non-free use". — Marchjuly (talk) 14:43, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- The usage and notify sections are tied to the provided template's name, so the notification templates likely need to be changed before the usage can be fixed (though I will note that since it's a redirect technically it will still work as described/intended). Primefac (talk) 15:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking another look at these. I made a RM request for the for notification template so perhaps the in-body links can be updated once those pages are moved as well. If there's any other clean up that needs to be done that I can do, please let me know. There are a some short-cuts for a couple of these templates and mentions of them made on other pages like WP:CSD#Files, but those probably will redirect to the new page names, right? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, assuming the moves are done "as usual" (as opposed to doing so with the redirect creation suppressed) everything will still work even if it's not fully up-to-date. Primefac (talk) 22:13, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- The notification templates have been now been moved and the in-body links in each template now rediect to the new pages. I guess that's sufficient for the moment, but ideally it would probably be a good idea at some point to update the wording of each template as well. Is the best way to go about doing this via TPERs on each templates talk page? -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've updated the template links, but if there's more that needs updating a TPER means you're not dependent on my seeing this and caring enough to make the edit (though I do patrol the cat so I might be the one that responds anyway!). Primefac (talk) 12:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for all your help Primefac. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:04, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've updated the template links, but if there's more that needs updating a TPER means you're not dependent on my seeing this and caring enough to make the edit (though I do patrol the cat so I might be the one that responds anyway!). Primefac (talk) 12:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- The notification templates have been now been moved and the in-body links in each template now rediect to the new pages. I guess that's sufficient for the moment, but ideally it would probably be a good idea at some point to update the wording of each template as well. Is the best way to go about doing this via TPERs on each templates talk page? -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, assuming the moves are done "as usual" (as opposed to doing so with the redirect creation suppressed) everything will still work even if it's not fully up-to-date. Primefac (talk) 22:13, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking another look at these. I made a RM request for the for notification template so perhaps the in-body links can be updated once those pages are moved as well. If there's any other clean up that needs to be done that I can do, please let me know. There are a some short-cuts for a couple of these templates and mentions of them made on other pages like WP:CSD#Files, but those probably will redirect to the new page names, right? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- The usage and notify sections are tied to the provided template's name, so the notification templates likely need to be changed before the usage can be fixed (though I will note that since it's a redirect technically it will still work as described/intended). Primefac (talk) 15:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- There appears to be a dummy link in each template's "Usage" section that still refers to it by its old name. There's also a link in each template's "Notify" section to a notification template as well, but each corresponding notification template may need a separate move to reflect the parent template's name change. Basically, it looks like the only thing that needs to be changed is "fair use" to "non-free use". — Marchjuly (talk) 14:43, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- A {{TPER}} would be needed to change things in the template itself, otherwise just let me know specifically what needs fixing and I'll get to it. Primefac (talk) 14:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi again Primefac. I made a request at WP:RM for these templates and they were moved accordingly; however, the wording in the templates and the corresponding notification templates weren't changed. I thought that would all be taken care of as part of the move, but it wasn't. The templates are protected and I can't edit them myself. Do I need to make another RM request for notification templates or can any admin just do the rest of the cleanup? — Marchjuly (talk) 14:22, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking a look. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
For some reason, the last request related to these templates that I made at RMT got moved to WP:RMT#Administrator needed by another editor. I'm not sure why this was done because the other moves I requested were done fairly quickly as uncontroversial requests. Anyway, the request has gone unresponded to for almost a week; so, I'm wondering if you could take a look at it and see if there's a problem with it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not really sure why that needed an admin, but the page has been moved so you should be good to go. Primefac (talk) 10:20, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Marchjuly The templates were move protected so that only admins could move them --Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 12:47, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Good to know, it's odd that move protection doesn't show up when you edit a page... Primefac (talk) 13:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying things Megan B..... I didn't notice the template was protected. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:45, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Marchjuly The templates were move protected so that only admins could move them --Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 12:47, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi again Primefac. I came across another template whose wording needs to be tweeked in accordance with the above-mentioned changes. Can you update the f7 part of Template:Deletable image-caption "Criteria" section to change "This file has an invalid fair use claim" to "This file has an invalid non-free use claim"? -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:47, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Primefac (talk) 12:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Than you Primefac. I hope you and your family have a happy and safe holiday season. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, you too. Primefac (talk) 12:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Than you Primefac. I hope you and your family have a happy and safe holiday season. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
user groups
Hi Primefac, since you put in the page mover group 3 months ago I've been helping at RM and I've been handling several requests every day, most days. There was a bit of a learning curve 3 months ago and I made a few mistakes to begin with, but then several people kindly gave me feedback and it's been really smooth for the last couple of months. It'd be good to have this on a permanent basis if you think that's fine - I've built this into my wiki-routine now and I don't mind carrying on. Thanks! Dr. Vogel (talk) 01:18, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- You're welcome to re-apply at the PERM page - I prefer to let other admins take a look at re-requests. Primefac (talk) 07:21, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Done, thank you :) Dr. Vogel (talk) 12:25, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry to pester you about this again. I placed the request as you suggested. It's now been a week and it hasn't been reviewed yet, and now the right has expired, so I can no longer help with these :( Dr. Vogel (talk) 12:45, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- There aren't that many admins that patrol PGM requests, though a week seems a bit long. I'll get to it as soon as I can. Primefac (talk) 12:46, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry to pester you about this again. I placed the request as you suggested. It's now been a week and it hasn't been reviewed yet, and now the right has expired, so I can no longer help with these :( Dr. Vogel (talk) 12:45, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Done, thank you :) Dr. Vogel (talk) 12:25, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Technical Barnstar | |
Wanted to thank you for all you do around here, and especially your work with Module:Political party, before you got involved I was dreading trying to deal with all of those templates and move them into a more manageable form. What you've done there is quite useful and I really appreciate it. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:48, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
- A hearty second. Well done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:29, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Agree! Good job! Gonnym (talk) 01:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks all! I might have been the driving force, but I'm by far the only one that made it actually happen. Primefac (talk) 08:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi, how can i change the party colors of ukrainian parties? All of them that I have seen are incorrect if you check them, many of them are incorrect. I'm interested in {party color | ***}}. If you explain to me, I will change everything to the correct and correct colors, because now there is a certain mess with them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Block baby (talk • contribs) 14:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Information about updating and fixing content in the module is at Module:Political_party#Updating_the_module. If you cannot edit a data module yourself, then you should place an edit request on the module's talk page along with the requested change (for example, "The colour for XYZ party is incorrect, it should be _____"). Primefac (talk) 14:29, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, mate! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Block baby (talk • contribs) 15:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
The revert of your edit was unintentional
I clicked the "vandalism" button, thinking it would take me to a page about vandalism but it reverted your edit instead. Anonymous from Stack Overflow (talk) 20:58, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Well, now you know. Primefac (talk) 20:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Why did you change Kashyap (caste)
Haraamkhor, kyun baar baar kashyap caste change karta hai. Paagal hai kya tu Jayant D. Kashyap (talk) 09:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- You added unsourced changes. I reverted them. Unfortunately I do not speak your language, so please use English in the future (I am answering only the question you gave in the header). Primefac (talk) 09:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
NovemBot AWB
Hey Primefac. Thanks for processing my BRFA. I appreciate it. So I am missing the Bots tab in AWB. Is this possibly because NovemBot needs to be moved to the bots section of the CheckPage? Thanks in advance. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:21, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Same problem with Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/TheCowBot. --TheImaCow (talk) 11:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weird. Fixed. Primefac (talk) 11:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps premature closing of ANI.
I just saw that you closed my Outing ANI [1] after the offending editor deleted their problematic text, and even thanked them from doing so. I must note that it took significant push-back from another editor (and me opening an ANI) before they made the revert. Before that, they wrote several times to justify what they did. Additionally, this is part of a pattern of behavior on their part, including harassments of editors, as I noted on the article's Talk page: "First you initiated a project to out editors who you felt were part of an off-Wiki editing team, even trying to get like minded editors to help, and now this. For some reason I am laughing at your "unintentional" claim. I am done with you." The issue there was an ANI brought against me and others by this editor because they were not getting their way editing a page - which led to a ridiculously long discussion wasting everyone's time. I believe the editor was temporarily blocked. (check this?) There was talk about initiating a topic ban as well. (?) So I think - this being on the same topic that they will not let go of (Skeptical articles and editors) perhaps that issue needs a reevaluation. Rp2006 (talk) 21:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Reopened for more discussion. Primefac (talk) 21:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- How? Rp2006 (talk) 21:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand the question. Primefac (talk) 21:52, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry... How do I reopen the ANI? Rp2006 (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- I already did it. Primefac (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oh. Thanks. This has badly escalated. Some of the remaining text can be followed, without too much detective skills, to ascertain the original outing details, as another editor (someone who has been sympathetic to the problematic one) just did in the ANI. Rp2006 (talk) 22:01, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- As ScottishFinnishRadish just did! Rp2006 (talk) 22:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oh. Thanks. This has badly escalated. Some of the remaining text can be followed, without too much detective skills, to ascertain the original outing details, as another editor (someone who has been sympathetic to the problematic one) just did in the ANI. Rp2006 (talk) 22:01, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- I already did it. Primefac (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry... How do I reopen the ANI? Rp2006 (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand the question. Primefac (talk) 21:52, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- How? Rp2006 (talk) 21:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
RFO
Hello. Could you please consider the edits that I recently reverted at Ashley Biden as candidates for REVDEL under RD2? Thanks! AlexEng(TALK) 09:49, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the swift response. AlexEng(TALK) 09:54, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- For that sort of content, absolutely. Primefac (talk) 09:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
We may have a UPE Reviewer
Please see This AN thread and their user contributions. I am not sure whether it is proven, but it is worrying. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 16:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I saw the initial posting. Will keep an eye on the thread. Primefac (talk) 13:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Luciapop has an interesting contribution, where it may be that this is a further iteration of prior behaviour FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 21:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Need help with potential TfDs
Hi, i just learnt that most Political shortname and color templates are deleted in favor of a centralised Module as per the outcome of this TfD initiated by you. So, can you consider to add the templates under Template:Party shading in this module, and initiate appropriate TfDs, unless one is already in process. Thanks! ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk|contribs) 17:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'll be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about the shading templates, and by extension what to do with them. On the one hand, they do fall into that /meta/shading system that saw /color etc to be deleted, but since there are generally ACCESS concerns coming along with (what some view as) unnecessary shading, I'm not sure if it would make more sense to delete them outright or merge them into the module (which wouldn't be a huge burden to merge them in). I do note (if my quarry is right) that there are only about 200, so I think the case could be made to just get rid of them since they clearly aren't as heavily-used as say the /color options. I'd want to see a bit more discussion, especially since there are some folks who really want them kept. Primefac (talk) 13:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- meta/shading templates are generally unused but for US Democratic & Republican parties it exceeds 26,700 transclusions total (Republican, Democratic), which is pretty high usage. Some editors also seem to have a thing for shading up cells with party colors if shading colors are not available, and party colors are generally darker than corresponding shading colors making it unreadable. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk|contribs) 14:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've been working on post-module cleanup of templates and categories and have been looking at these more closely. Of the valid /shading templates (templates used to color a cell with text in it, and not those that are used in the exact same manner as the {{Party color}} family) most (all?) don't take into account color contrast accessibility (MOS:CONTRAST) and a lot use the colors without any real reader value and some even impact the article in a negative way. A few random examples of bad usage of colors:
- Alaska#State politics - the coloring of the Democratic and Republican columns is pretty much pointless as the colors don't add anything that the column header didn't already say but they do make the table much more "noisy" and harder to read. The only columns which have colors that have any meaning are the "year" and "others" columns, however they aren't accompanied by any text explaining what they mean. So vision impaired readers won't know there is any significane in either cell while everyone except a small group of editors don't know what the colors purple and grey mean in the "other" column.
- Austin, Texas#City government - the coloring of the entire table here also serves very little value. The "Party (officially nonpartisan)" column already has this info better explained.
- In both situations, if the color is really needed, it can be used like it is done in non-shading tables (such as the one at Alaska#Voter registration) by using another small column at the start (however, as noted above, this should not be the only way that a piece of information is presented in a table). Gonnym (talk) 15:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Basically what I'm hearing is that for 99% of situations where there is shading, it can either be removed as redundant or replaced by a {{party colour cell}} that adds an extra colour box (for those "visual representation of the party changes" needs). Primefac (talk) 16:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Haven't checked each shading usage so there might be some other use-cases, but in general those are my findings so far. Gonnym (talk) 16:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Another example of bad usage is at KwaZulu-Natal (National Assembly of South Africa constituency)#Summary (which is a common type of a table, see also Courland (Saeima constituency)). The entire row is colored with a party color which I'm assuming is meant to represent the party with the most seats, yet it isn't explained anywhere and makes completely no sense that a column for "United Democratic Movement", which is yellow, has green and red colors in its cell. Better methods of presenting this information would be for example to add a color cell at the start of the row, or a column for "Party with most seats", or a note explaining that the bold values represent the party with the most seats that year. Gonnym (talk) 16:43, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- In articles like 2020 United States presidential election in Georgia#Polling and Opinion polling for the 2019 Indian general election, I believe, that shading remains the best way to highlight the data (party colors have been used in latter due to absence of shading templates). In articles like the above examples of Kwa-Zulu and Courland, shading would be a better visualisation if done correctly as in 2021 London Assembly election#Constituency candidates. In my opinion, party colors can't completely replace shading (and thus they be kept). But in articles like List of members of the 17th Lok Sabha, where colored cells can obviously replace shading, they should be carried out. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk|contribs) 22:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Basically what I'm hearing is that for 99% of situations where there is shading, it can either be removed as redundant or replaced by a {{party colour cell}} that adds an extra colour box (for those "visual representation of the party changes" needs). Primefac (talk) 16:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- I also think shading templates can often be useful, such as at 1996 United States presidential election in Georgia#Results by county to pick an example. I don't see how removing the shading there would improve the situation, and regardless, I think that should be a separate discussion from the merging of these templates into the module (which already has consensus). Elli (talk | contribs) 22:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've been working on post-module cleanup of templates and categories and have been looking at these more closely. Of the valid /shading templates (templates used to color a cell with text in it, and not those that are used in the exact same manner as the {{Party color}} family) most (all?) don't take into account color contrast accessibility (MOS:CONTRAST) and a lot use the colors without any real reader value and some even impact the article in a negative way. A few random examples of bad usage of colors:
- meta/shading templates are generally unused but for US Democratic & Republican parties it exceeds 26,700 transclusions total (Republican, Democratic), which is pretty high usage. Some editors also seem to have a thing for shading up cells with party colors if shading colors are not available, and party colors are generally darker than corresponding shading colors making it unreadable. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk|contribs) 14:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Template:Flag question
Hi Primefac. Do you have any idea why the non-free file File:Flag of the Torres Strait Islanders.svg is showing up when Torres Strait Islands is used in combination with Template:Flag. The combination was being used in Australian Aboriginal languages, which probably means that the non-free file is being taken from some documentation page like Template:Country data Torres Strait Islands. The exact syntax was {{flag|Torres Strait Islands|local}}
and it seems that the "local" argument is what's calling up the non-free file. I think it might have something to do with this IP edit made to the country data page, but I'm not sure. It's not really a good idea for a non-free file to be able to be added to pages via templates like this because it could cause the file to be used in non-policy compliant ways, but I'm not sure whether this was intentionally done or is just a template qwirk. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Your reasoning is pretty much spot on. fixed. Primefac (talk) 12:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for checking on this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Recent reverts
Please provide details pertaining to your recent reverts and copyright violations RE: Troy Lyndon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christophergraham (talk • contribs) 20:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nothing much to explain, I suppose - the added text was taken from his own website, which is under copyright and thus cannot be put directly on our article. Primefac (talk) 20:36, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Holiday greetings (2021)
Primefac,
I sincerely hope your holiday season goes well this year especially with what we went through last year. I'm optimistic that 2022 will be a better year for all of us: both in real life and on Wikipedia. Wishing you the best from, Interstellarity (talk) 19:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Primefac (talk) 00:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Your approval of AJDaGuru
FYI, I've just taken a chainsaw to the article. Its sourcing is woeful, and I'm wondering if you would be willing to draftify the page in lieu of me taking it to AfD. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 23:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Send it to AFD please; draftifying it will only kick the can down the road. I accepted it as a borderline case but I know that if it's sent back to draft the author will just beat their head against the wall attempting to get it accepted again (I wouldn't wish the hour I spent with them on IRC to be repeated for anyone else). Primefac (talk) 00:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Too late. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 01:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- And AfD has been started. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 01:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- If we only had a way to coordinate on IRC so that all of our respective hours spent trying to help this draft weren't so apparently oblivious of each other. My logs say that Jeske, Dragonfly, and I spent almost 5 hours on 9 Dec with it. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 01:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- I didn't remember that I'd seen this before (in fairness, I'm kinda bonked from holidays). —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 01:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Plus another now nearing four hours from today. I'm not even the one interacting with them the most and I'm exhausted from it... Perryprog (talk) 03:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe we should change the -helpers welcome message to include all of the newest "issues" so that helpers know who to keep an eye out for. Primefac (talk) 12:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- If we only had a way to coordinate on IRC so that all of our respective hours spent trying to help this draft weren't so apparently oblivious of each other. My logs say that Jeske, Dragonfly, and I spent almost 5 hours on 9 Dec with it. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 01:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Primefac you said it was borderline but still passed so how can it be marked for deletion please the holidays are here and the subject sources were not bad it's the way journalism in Hip hop is done. Please guys this hurts so bad because the subject has shared with all of his family members and the world the link and now it says it going to be deleted. Borderline is a pass please guys don't do this it hurts so bad it's almost like the chainsaw cut off our necks when this was done we were simply just trying to remove the ophan tag please guys it is a pass like Primefac originally stated please don't pull the rug from under us just like that. The sources are credible and borderline which means it should not be scheduled for deletion! Its almost like giving a kid a bag of candy then when they go to take a piece out you take the bag from him. This hurts so bad words can't explain that pain felt from this. Hopefully you guys can please stop the deletion process and find it in your hearts to accept it back! Happy holidays!Godsentme1 (talk) 05:04, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) @Godsentme1: In the end, it's not the New Page Curation volunteers, the English Wikipedia sysops, or even the Wikimedia Stewards that decide whether or not a subject meets the criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia. It is, in fact, the community themselves. Since the article has been proposed for deletion, the community will consider whether the topic is notable and meets the criteria for inclusion on the English Wikipedia. Unfortunately, this is not a social nicety nor is it a process that can be stopped for vanity sake. This is how Wikipedia is intended to work. Operator873 connect 05:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Godsentme1, a "borderline accept" is not a guarantee of anything. We have a saying at AFC that we only accept drafts that have at least a 50/50 chance of being kept at AFD, and your page falls squarely into that group; on the surface the draft looked "good enough" when I reviewed it, but I knew that further community review would be necessary to determine if it really was an acceptable page. I'm sorry that this don't appear to be working out the way you had hoped, but not everyone gets an article on Wikipedia no matter how hard they try. Primefac (talk) 12:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Word limit
Thank you for your latest message. I'm trying to honor the word limit. May I have an exception to post a few extra words, so long as I try to keep it concise? Jehochman Talk 20:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've passed along the request, and as I'm sure you've seen in other locations we're discussing with the clerks on how to proceed. Primefac (talk) 13:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Jayz
I get where you were coming from when you decided to accept at AfC. —valereee (talk) 21:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, some times you need to play the long game. "One reviewer says no" is easy to argue, "community discussion says no" is a bit more final. Primefac (talk) 00:43, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Srsly?
You really think there's promise? I thought I was being too generous. —valereee (talk) 02:00, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- I have been known to surprise myself with low-probability outcomes working out. I will not be surprised if the indef is reinstated before the new year, though. Primefac (talk) 02:07, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Welp, I'll cross my fingers for a good outcome for all! Merry Christmas! Ho ho ho! :D —valereee (talk) 02:12, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed. To you as well! Primefac (talk) 02:13, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Welp, I'll cross my fingers for a good outcome for all! Merry Christmas! Ho ho ho! :D —valereee (talk) 02:12, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
CSD for redirect declined
I put an CSD on Alice Doyard because I wanted to accept Draft:Alice Doyard, got declined because "draft is still being reviewed" (by me). Pinging you per your comment here. Rusalkii (talk) 02:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Rusalkii, done, thanks. Primefac (talk) 11:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- aaand Jessica Neuwirth, please. I'm not sure how to be clearer in my explanation that "I have reviewed and accepted this draft and just need you to make way for it", this time I got declined because "draft proposed to be moved here has not been reviewed and accepted". Rusalkii (talk) 02:36, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'll get right on it. It might be a good idea for you to start marking pages like this as "under review" so the patrolling admin is less... confused?... about the situation. Primefac (talk) 13:22, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- I did that with the first one, it didn't help, decided to try the other way instead. Rusalkii (talk) 19:16, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hrm, good point, I forgot about that. I guess better to do it so that you can say you've tried everything? Primefac (talk) 19:21, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'll keep doing it for now, it seems like the obvious way to avoid duplicate work anyway. Rusalkii (talk) 19:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hrm, good point, I forgot about that. I guess better to do it so that you can say you've tried everything? Primefac (talk) 19:21, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- I did that with the first one, it didn't help, decided to try the other way instead. Rusalkii (talk) 19:16, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'll get right on it. It might be a good idea for you to start marking pages like this as "under review" so the patrolling admin is less... confused?... about the situation. Primefac (talk) 13:22, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- aaand Jessica Neuwirth, please. I'm not sure how to be clearer in my explanation that "I have reviewed and accepted this draft and just need you to make way for it", this time I got declined because "draft proposed to be moved here has not been reviewed and accepted". Rusalkii (talk) 02:36, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Seasonal stuff
Happy Holidays!
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2022! | |
Hello Primefac, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2022. Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages. |
- Thanks! Primefac (talk) 16:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Happy Holidays
The 12 Days of Wikipedia
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Thanks for all of your work on Wikipedia. I really appreicate all of it. It's people like you who have helped me become a better editor Rlink2 (talk) 13:45, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! I am always genuinely happy to know that I've helped folks navigate what can be the weird yet often wonderful world of Wikipedia. Primefac (talk) 13:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Songs of the season
Holiday cheer | ||
Here is a snowman a gift a boar's head and something blue for your listening pleasure. Enjoy and have a wonderful 2022 P. MarnetteD|Talk 13:48, 23 December 2021 (UTC) |
- Thanks! Primefac (talk) 13:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!
Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten!
¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua!
God Jul! ~ Glædelig Jul! ~ Linksmų Kalėdų! ~ Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus!
Häid Jõule! ~ Wesołych Świąt! ~ Boldog Karácsonyt! ~ Veselé Vánoce!
Veselé Vianoce! ~ Crăciun Fericit! ~ Sretan Božić! ~ С Рождеством!
শুভ বড়দিন! ~ 圣诞节快乐!~ メリークリスマス!~ 메리 크리스마스!
สุขสันต์วันคริสต์มาส! ~ Selamat Hari Natal! ~ Giáng sinh an lành!
Весела Коледа!
Hello, Primefac! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 01:23, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Primefac (talk) 01:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Hi Primefac, Wish you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thank you for your support and great work on Wikipedia. Happy Holidays. DMySon (talk) 14:56, 24 December 2021 (UTC) |
- Thanks! Primefac (talk) 15:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!!
From my family to yours, I wish you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Here's hoping that 2022 is an all-round better year.
We wish you a Merry Christmas,
We wish you a Merry Christmas,
And a Happy New Year!
Adapted from {{Xmas6}}. Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:User:Altamel/Christmas}} to their talk page.
- Thanks! Primefac (talk) 11:46, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Happy Holidays!!!!!
We've had some rough patches, but I still love you and wish nothing but the best. Happy Holidays Prime!Godsentme1 (talk) 23:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025! | |
Hello Primefac, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages. |
- Thanks! Primefac (talk) 01:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Template edit request
Thanks for cleaning up that mess last night. I'm hoping you'll make quick of another request. If you'd have a look at {{XRV-notice}} and maybe do some safe substitute magic to it, I'm hoping to post it to the XRV project page right away. Thanks again.--John Cline (talk) 13:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Does it not currently work as intended? It looks like everything should subst properly. Primefac (talk) 13:30, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes everything works fine, I just wanted you to look and sort of do a technical copyedit of sorts, if and where needed. Thanks again.--John Cline (talk) 13:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Looks fine to me! Primefac (talk) 13:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes everything works fine, I just wanted you to look and sort of do a technical copyedit of sorts, if and where needed. Thanks again.--John Cline (talk) 13:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Trouble with AWB
I’ve been trying to log in all day but I keep getting “Aborted” as a pop up message, could it be because of the fact that I have 2FA enabled be causing this? Please help me. Celestina007 (talk) 14:07, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Have you tried Using AWB with 2FA? Primefac (talk) 15:33, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks it worked like magic. Celestina007 (talk) 21:00, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Glad to hear it. Primefac (talk) 21:07, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks it worked like magic. Celestina007 (talk) 21:00, 27 December 2021 (UTC)