Talk:Bad Romance/Archive 1

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New York not a single

Just want to let you know that I think she actually does have a single called New York, as on Saturday Night Live, you hear her say brief things about New York not in Bad Romance? Just sayin Slrkn54 (talk) 16:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

She is from New York, she's just talking about growing up there. ---Shadow (talk) 16:50, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Fans Opinions

i was wondering, i have read on alot of fans blogs that fans think that the demo was better than the final version. should we include this as a fact about the song. http://www.jonnyalisblog.com/2009/10/lady-gaga-bad-romance-official-download.html --Apeaboutsims (talk) 06:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks but fansites are not allowed in Wikipedia because they are not reliable and not professional to opine about the music. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Charts

You could also add the greek singles charts by billboard.She was 1st last week has 5 weeks in that chart http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=Greece —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prevezanos (talk • contribs) 08:13, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I know its in the actually charts section but there should e something about the Irish singles chart in chart performance! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.21.123 (talk) 14:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

It's currently #20. --Kei_Jo (Talk to me baby! :þ) 12:24, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

As of Nov. 25, it has only peaked at #9 on the Billboard Hot 100. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.19.251 (talk) 04:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Reception

Shouldn't it be noted that some of the reviews were based on the demo version and not the final one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.30.39 (talk) 03:51, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Bad Romance

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bad Romance's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "dutch":

• From Just Dance: "Dutch Top 40". MegaCharts. acharts.us. Retrieved 2009-04-28.
• From LoveGame: "Dutch Top 40". MegaCharts. acharts.us. June 20, 2009. Retrieved 2009-06-20.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:16, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

This time its FAIL anomiebot! :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:11, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Indroduction to the article.

Currently, the intro is

""Bad Romance" is a song by American pop singer, Lady Gaga. It is the first single of The Fame Monster, which is the re-released deluxe edition of her debut album The Fame. The track was produced by RedOne."

I personally think that it is necessary to separate The Fame from The Fame Monster, as The Fame Monster has 8 extra tracks, therefore it is a deluxe re-released edition. If you look at The Fame, you will see that in the Singles released section that it has "Bad Romance" under the heading "The Fame Monster singles" (or similar). So they are different albums. I don't want someone to go out and buy The Fame and expect "Bad Romance" to be on it. --Kei_Jo (Talk to me baby! :þ) 12:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

But they sold The Fame Monster as a separate album, or an EP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diforeverf (talk • contribs) 21:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Music Video Snippet and new single covers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fe6uHHhLok

Alejandro and Dance In The Dark single covers: http://ego.globo.com/Gente/foto/0,,32879573-EXH,00.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.96.81.144 (talk) 04:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Currently the section about the music video says it takes place in "what looks like a psychiatric hospital." That is incorrect. In numerous interviews Lady Gaga has stated that it takes place in a Russian bathhouse. She has also stated that the plot of the video is she is getting sold into sex slavery. DisposableMonster (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Link to the interview please? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, the music video for Bad Romance was set to be debuted on the Lady Gaga website on Monday 9th November, after many posts on the discussion board from fans - the pop-up window advertising the videos release date was changed to say Tuesday. does anyone know why this was pushed back? static_silence —Preceding undated comment added 03:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC).

http://gagadaily.com/2009/10/new-lady-gaga-radio-interviews/ she explained it in a radio interview with the Morning Zoo show on 97.1 ZHT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotpocket69 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Im afraid we don't accept fansites as source. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Music video is out and there's still no information on it!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.182.156 (talk) 16:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Sha also said in an interview to MTV (http://www.lady-gaga.net/2009/11/09/lady-gaga-says-bad-romance-video-is-about-tough-female-spirit/#more-4397) that the models were forcing her to drink vodka before being sold to the russian mafia.Arthurvv19 (talk) 22:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Tiny Edit in the Music Video part

Only Lady GaGa's white egg pod has the word monster in it Linmonsteelix (talk) 13:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Another tiny edit, nunchaku is linked to the article literally about the weapon, while it was referring to a video game controller for the wii.--173.20.69.144 (talk) 04:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Will take a look guys, thanks again. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:12, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Mixed Reviews?

Folks, mixed reviews means some critics didn't like the song, and some did. The only evidence of a negative critical opinion here is that one critic said it was similar to Poker Face. The rest is all positive. This article shouldn't say the song received mixed reviews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.242.82 (talk) 23:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Polar Bear is fake

She is not wearing a hide, it is fake and was part of designer Benjamin Cho's Spring 2004 runway show designed in collaboration with the Humane Society. Link to a reference, if needed http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/2009/11/11/star-style-get-the-look-from-lady-gagas-bad-romance-video/ ElenaMB (talk) 01:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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TWO THINGS NEED TO BE CORRECTED/ADDED IN THE RELEASE HISTORY SECTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE:

A. Change the Digital Download release date of the United Kingdom from October 26 to October 25 - [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Romance/dp/B002U3OQSM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1258147574&sr=8-1 SOURCE]

B.Add that it premiered on October 19, 2009 to U.S. radio - SOURCE

86.96.229.88 (talk) 08:33, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

• Changed. --PlatinumFire 23:11, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Note the fact that the above link to amazon says 27 Oct 2009!. It was 26 on iTunes, iTunes says so here :http://itunes.apple.com/uk/album/bad-romance/id336388428 and yes that is a UK link even when it says in $. The other link http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=336771537&s=143444 verifies that but you would require itunes installed to check it. SunCreator (talk) 12:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

According to an official press release by gaga's label Ocotber 25 is the official release date for the UK digital download........i cant find a link for the press release, will show it as soon as i find it....anyway, here is proof that October 25 is the correct date for the UK : Proof —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.96.228.86 (talk) 12:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Your correct about that, it was expected on Ocotber 25, and if you have a source and want to say that, fine, but it was not available to buy on iTunes until 26. That's why it says 26 on iTunes in the release date column. SunCreator (talk) 16:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

And, its known that in recent months that the release dates that iTunes put are not correct.....everyone knows that......and by the way.....no, you cant review anything on iTunes before its released........yes, you can review it even if u dont purchase it, but there is no way you can review something on iTunes before its made avialabe for purchase........so, one of the reviews on iTunes is dated October 24, meaning it was avialbe for purchase starting from Oct 24......anyway...thats another story...

Yeah, sometimes they appear incorrect because for example the album release is prior to the single release date. SunCreator (talk) 16:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Brazil Hot 100

Brazil has official charts complied by Billboard [1]. I just guess Bad Romance didn't charted yet on the official one. --PlatinumFire 23:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

At this time, no stable archiving for these charts exist, and their frequency is not clear. These will undoubtedly become valid, but it is best to wait before adding links to these charts. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The reference is valid if you cite the physical magazine properly. 190.234.156.54 (talk) 04:26, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

And that's a problem because google still hasn't archived the magazines from 2009 yet. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

It dosen't need to be online to be reliable, if someone have the physical copy of the magazine is like having a copy of a newspaper, not every company publish every single issue, that dosen't make them less valid. 190.233.223.94 (talk) 15:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Additional review?

While reading some music-related articles I came across this page, which may be relevant to this article:

http://www.bphc.org/Newsroom/Pages/TopStoriesView.aspx?ID=132

Apparently the Boston Public Health Commission has rated "Bad Romance" as #10 on their "Top 10 List of Songs with Unhealthy Relationship Ingredients." Lady Gaga is also the only artist to have two songs on the list. Perhaps this should be mentioned in the Critical Reception section? Just a thought. 99.146.195.175 (talk) 17:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

It is notable; it's been mentioned on Good Morning America and reported in media. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 04:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Has there been any movement on adding this? (99.146.193.121 (talk) 03:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

Whoops missed it. Will add it in article. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Video Phone in Lady Gaga chronology

To whoever keeps deleting Video Phone from the Lady Gaga chronology: Yes, Lady Gaga IS in fact in Beyonce's song "Video Phone". Actually, let's rephrase that -- Lady Gaga IS in fact in Beyonce's SINGLE "Video Phone." Seeing as it's a single chronology, Video Phone should be included because the version that's being released as a single is the version featuring Lady Gaga. So to whoever keeps deleting deleting Video Phone from the chronology, please stop. [: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bookblade19 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty much everyone deleting it because Gaga has not released Video Phone as a single, Beyonce has. The chronology is for Lady Gaga singles, not singles of other singers that Beyonce is in. Also, only the extended version features Lady Gaga, the regular version released as an official single does not. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 02:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, my point was that the extended version featuring Lady Gaga IS in fact the single. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the normal version wasn't released as a single; it's just a song. And if you look at it, it's not a song chronology, it's a single chronology. Besides, Chillin is in the chronology and it's not Gaga's song? :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bookblade19 (talk • contribs) 03:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

If you look at the Video Phone track listing, the US CD single has only the album version (and instrumental) which does not include Lady Gaga. The European version has the Lady Gaga version in addition to the regular album version. So there is nothing saying that the Lady Gaga version is "the" single, rather it is just a version. As for Chillin, the original song is with Gaga. It is not a special remixed version as we see with Video Phone. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 03:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Videophone should be in the chronology. The single features Gaga. Besides this, if its going to be taken out, take it out on all pages not just the Bad Romance page, considering it's still listed in the chronology on the Video Phone page and the Telephone page, as well as being listed as a featured single on the Lady Gaga main page. eagle2ch (talk) 02:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

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• In the release history section, add that it was released as a Digital Download in the United States on October 26, 2009 - Source

• In the release history section, add that it was released as a CD Single in Australia on November 27, 2009 - Source

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Done Added first part, second part already done. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

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• In the release history section, add that it was released as a CD Single in Germany on November 27, 2009 - [http://www.amazon.de/Bad-Romance-2-Track-Lady-Gaga/dp/B002UIP19U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1261245535&sr=1-1 Source 1] Source 2

• In the release history section, add that it will be released as a CD Single in France on January 18, 2010 - [http://www.amazon.fr/Bad-Romance-Lady-Gaga/dp/B0030HG3HE/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1261246213&sr=8-7 Source] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.96.227.91 (talk) 18:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Both done Josh Parris 23:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

This Song is not pop/rock!

How is this song pop/rock??? That makes no sense.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reservoir99 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Because the source says so. It is an extremely reliable source. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:35, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I've happened to be dropping by here in the past few days and have noticed the shifting genres. I have to agree with Reservoir on this. There is no form of rock anywhere in the song, therefore the song cannot be pop rock. If you go to the homepage of allmusic, you'll see that with the genres listed at the top, there's not one specifically for pop and not one specifically for rock – they are combined into the category pop/rock. Every pop artist/album/song and every rock artist/album/song is listed as pop/rock on allmusic.

I see the way allmusic organizes their genre listings this way: if it as listed as "contemporary pop/rock" in the styles section, the artist/album/song is being referred to as pop rock. Otherwise, it's just a way to combine somewhat-similar genres and place them into one category.

But I think we should gain some consensus on what to do here. Allmusic normally is reliable for music information as Legolas noted, but I don't think the listing "pop rock" on this article is correct. Chase wc⁹¹ 06:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. No way the song can be rock, but WP:V is what is stopping us. Lemme search in the reviews for what the song has been described as, and from there we can pick up the genres. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Some editor (probably an IP, I didn't bother checking) changed the genres to "Dance-pop, electropop, synthpop," and I would say I agree even though they are uncited. Allmusic is obviously incorrect about the song being pop rock in this case so I suggest we just drop it and ignore all rules. Chase wc⁹¹ 02:12, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

The only source says pop rock, so the best thing would be to just leave the genre field empty until a more convincing source comes along. We can't just find a consensus to choose a genre developed by original research. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 04:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I took a quick look and found something WITHOUT Rock. "Pop/General" at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Romance/dp/B002TA4MSU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1261891067&sr=8-1 if that helps you any? —Iknow23 (talk) 05:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Stephen, the norm here for wikipedia song articles seems to be that original research is okay for genres unless controversial. Most song articles don't have genre sourcing, such as Hollaback Girl which is FA. I hate to be waxy but I really don't see a problem unless the genre is highly debatable and definitely needs sourcing, like if someone were to say that a Britney Spears song was heavy metal. Why don't we just gain consensus on what to use? I think "electropop, dance-pop" would be something most editors would agree with. What do you all say? And Iknow, Amazon normally isn't reliable. Chase wc⁹¹ 05:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I remember there being several discussion on whether or not to remove the genre field all together from infoboxes. The main reason cited for removal was failure to source the information. I'm not gonna lie, I also chose genres on occasion without a source, but not as specific as is being proposed here. "Dance" and "pop" would be fine. "electropop", "synthpop", etc are too specific imo. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 05:33, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

(←) Could mention of synths be used to source synthpop? I've seen several reviews that note the use of synths, if I remember correctly I found most of them from The Fame Monster article. Chase wc⁹¹ 05:35, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

It can definitely be used, as per the definition of synthpop. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

New Remixes Cover

Do you think we should add the Remixes cover? http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/bad-romance-remixes-ep/id345754804 --It's Flo (talk) 13:11, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

No. We don't include extra covers unless they significantly enhance the readers' understanding of the article's subject, such as at The Fame Monster. Chase wc⁹¹ 05:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

End of Year UK Chart

Can someone please add that the song ended at number 17 on the UK end of year chart for 2009 here is the source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/chart_of_the_year_2009/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinsimpson1992 (talk • contribs) 17:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Headphones

In the Music Video section it currently states she is wearing headphones by Dre. Dre, which is true. But she also designed the headphones called Heartbeats by Lady Gaga. We should probrably put that in somewhere, does anyone agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diforeverf (talk • contribs) 21:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Agree ONLY IF it is relevant to the article. It should NOT just be inserted like an advert.—Iknow23 (talk) 01:26, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I mean, she designed them herself, shouldn't that count as something?--Diforeverf (talk) 21:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe put it on Lady Gaga's page as something she did. But carefully so it doesn't look like an advertisement. It doesn't really have anything to do with this article (song), or does it?—Iknow23 (talk) 21:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree, her headphones are far down on the trivia list. There's practically no mention of the musical instruments, or equipment used for the sound or the video, which, when you stop and think about it, is central to the success or failure of the song. Another Wiki excursion into mindless citation of statistics, as if somehow being 9th instead of 10th in a chart somewhere makes any difference to the quality of the music. Welcome to a society that, to quote Oscar Wilde, understands "the price of everything, and the value of nothing". Piano non troppo (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

That information is definitely trivial. But I don't know why are you saying that is practically no mention of the musical composition or the technical part of the video, if there are no valid or reliable sources that have that information what should we do, make it up?, speculate about the video? And no the chart performance of the song don't make any difference in it's quality, which by the way is subjective, you may like it, but I don't, but that is how the Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs suggests it to be, if you don't like the guidelines, make a discussion there. Frcm1988 (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps a product placement section could be added? The visual aspects of Lady Gaga's videos are clearly important given her high fashion aspirations.Evil genius (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

However, you do state that they are by Dr. Dre, so would you consider that trivial?--76.100.120.205 (talk) 15:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

They are by Dr. Dre, and were designed by Gaga. It is listed on the official website. It is obvious to the eye that they match the pair used in the video, but everything on Wikipedia must be verifiable, so please make sure you use a citation.. • вяαdcяochat 11:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Is looks like it was removed from the article. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diforeverf (talk • contribs) 02:32, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Lyrics

Hi, I've listened to the songs a couple of times and consulted many lyrics websites, and I think there's a mistake. In the music and lyrics section, it says "want you in my rear window, baby your sick" when it's actually "want you in my room when your baby is sick". Could someone change this and make it tie into the article?

-Luke Farrelly-Spain (talk) 22:40, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but you're wrong. The lyrics in the booklet of The Fame Monster say: "want you in my rear window, baby you're sick". The "want you in my room" line doesn't make any sense in this context anyway. --It's Flo (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

USA Certification

You should add the USA RIAA Certification of 2 x Platinum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.223.4.192 (talk) 14:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Not really. RIAA certified BR as Platinum only and that has been added. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

It has sold 2.3 million copies making it capable of receiving 2x platinum status, but it has not been awarded yet. Certifications are not automatic. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:52, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Polish Music Charts

Please add "Polish Airplay Chart" - 5th position. http://www.nielsenmusiccontrol.com/index_pol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.11.52.9 (talk) 21:10, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

GOLD CERT. IN SWEDEN

Bad Romance achieved Gold in Sweden www.hitlistan.se —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.19.132.195 (talk) 13:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Sing-and-Tell Bridge? Full-Mouthed Chorus?

In the opening of the article, it states "Bad Romance" features a sing-and-tell bridge and a full-mouthed chorus. Could we see some sources for this or at least a link to a definition? I honestly have no idea what these two phrases mean (and when I Google search, all I find are pages that copy the Wikipedia entry - go figure). Further on in the article it states The bridge is in a sing-and-tell format with Gaga voicing the line "You know that I want you/ And you know that I need you." It is followed by the full-throated chorus, where Gaga sings "You and me could write a bad romance [...] Caught in a bad romance." This is sourced, but when you go to the page cited, it's a review that does indeed say "full-throated chorus," but doesn't contain the other descriptions. These phrases seem fairly confusing to me (and probably to others) and I'm not sure they belong in the article unless they're sourced and/or explained. - Holly (talk) 06:18, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree completely, I was very confused myself. In all honesty, I have no clue what those terms mean so I can't clarify. Sorry.--Diforeverf (talk) 22:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Please read carefully, the source is present exactly adjacent to the line's ending and I would also like to direct you to WP:LEAD. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I still don't see any source that says "sing-and-tell bridge" and "full-mouthed chorus" or what they mean. Holly (talk) 07:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I checked also. Nothing about 'sing-and-tell'. So removed from the article. SunCreator (talk) 13:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Dutch Chart

There seems to be an argument over the peak position of the song in the Dutch Top 40. According to this site, the song peaked at 7, while people tend to use this site in this case, saying the song peaked at 10. Which one is the corect one? Alecsdaniel (talk) 13:05, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Top40.nl which is the Dutch Top 40, the other is the component chart Megacharts Top 100. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

New Certification

Bad Romance was certified 'Gold' in Germany. http://www.musikindustrie.de/gold_platin_datenbank0/ (Type 'Bad Romance' into the box.) Please add it. --It's Flo (talk) 21:02, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

MUSIC VIDEO VIEWS

The music video has over 100 million+ views now! And in such a short period of time! There should be something about the video having 100 million views in the "Reception" part of the music video section!

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I

First of all, youtube is an unreliable source, secondly, not reported in any third party notable source. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

PLEASE UPDATE THE CERTIFICATIONS POSTED ABOVE

Spain, Sweden, Autralia, Germany... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.19.133.247 (talk) 14:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Amazon.com_for_digital_music_release_info was started concerning my attempt at adding new content to this page, with User:Legolas2186 reverting me 3 times in a row.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Sean Bean Cameo?

In this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I youttube clip at time point 2:20 you can see the face of a guy, is this guy the actor Sean Bean? I think, if so, it would be worth mentioning in the wikipedia entry.

my 2 cents.

Joppe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.117.32.231 (talk) 12:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

No that's not Bean. Thanks for your input though. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:36, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Chord progression of the Chorus

The chord progression in the chorus is currently listed as: F major, G major, A minor, C major, F major, G major, E minor, A minor. This is not entirely correct. The bass is playing a G# in the second half of the chorus, thus the correct progression for the hook and the chorus is: F major, G major, A minor, C major, F major, G major, E major/G#, A minor. [F-G-Am-C-F-G-E/G#-Am] Playing an E minor over a G# in the bass would be horrible musicianship and highly unlikely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jodywhitesides (talk • contribs) 10:22, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Source states otherwise. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Whoever you're trusting as the source of that recording's chord progression is probably not a musician. As someone who is recording a version of that song right now, I know full well that the melody, bass and the chords all dictate - it's what I posted as a fix to that page. Oh, and the tempo is actually 119. Jodywhitesides (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The source published is from Musicnotes.com which license Interscope Records and UMG for publication of their sheet music. Hence I believe I would accept their opinion rather than what you say as that would qualify as original research. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Australian certification

As of the current RIAA charts "Bad Romance" went 2x Platinum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.228.139.26 (talk) 23:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

RIAA or ARIA? Which one are you talking about? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit Semi-Protected 4

{{editsemiprotected}} In the release history section: Add that it was released in Germany on November 27, 2009 [http://www.amazon.de/Bad-Romance-2-Track-Lady-Gaga/dp/B002UIP19U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1261245535&sr=1-1 Source 1] Source 2

Add that it was released in France on January 18, 2010 [http://www.amazon.fr/Bad-Romance-Lady-Gaga/dp/B0030HG3HE/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1261246213&sr=8-7 Source 1] Source 2

TSWABH (talk) 13:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}} In the Music and Lyrics section: Change the chord progression in the chorus from F-G-Am-C-F-G-Em-Am to F-G-Am-C-F-G-E6-Am. There is a G-sharp (in both the bass and briefly the melody) in the second-to-last chord, making it a major 1st inversion position rather than a minor root position.

Dendahl (talk) 07:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)Dendahl

Umm any reason why you want it done? Any sources that back up the claim? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:35, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, the source is still the same place as before (I think): http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0080511. I realize it's a minor thing, but I figured that if people are trying to learn to play the song on keyboard, guitar, or what have you, they shouldn't receive conflicting info.

Dendahl (talk) 04:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)Dendahl

Hitchcock reference.

The lyrics are wrong were the Hitchcock reference is mentioned.

They should be like they're in the "Rear window"-article.(another movie by Hitchcock)

"I want your psycho / your vertigo shtick / want you in my rear window / baby you're sick."

Remember to add the "rear window"-link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.85.131 (talk) 17:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Platinum Cert. In Spain

In Spain 'Bad Romance' certified PLATINUM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.19.133.127 (talk) 21:09, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request: Include Lead Actor's Name

{{editsemiprotected}} Please consider including the name of Slovenian Actor/Model Yuri Bradac [2] (originally known as Jurij Bradač), who plays the lead/winning Russian bidder. For example, under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Romance#Concept it could be said: She straddles one of the men (played by Slovenian actor/model Yuri Bradac) and performs somewhat of a lap dance on him

I make this suggestion because I wondered who he was upon first seeing the video . . . And as I was trying to research the matter, I just kept coming across more and more people asking that same question (at Yahoo!Answers, WikiAnswers, and on personal blogs) There isn't yet an easy resource for uncovering that information (no Internet Music Video Database, heh) so it seems like this would be a great place to hold that info. :) Littlezas (talk) 08:49, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

As you said, that you found the info in blogs, yahoo answers etc, that is not a good reliable source to place the name in the article. Sorry. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:24, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I meant that I found people asking who he was in those places. I just mentioned it to demonstrate that it is something people wonder and thus might be worth including. :)

Sources:

-His IMDB page mentions it in the "Additional Details" section: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1961560/

-And this is an interview with him about the experience: http://www.najnaj.si/novice/53290/Ekskluzivni-intervju-%E2%80%93-Yuri-Bradac-o-spotu-z-Lady-Gaga.html

-Here is another interview: http://24ur.com/ekskluziv/glasba/lady-gaga-izkoristila-in-unicila-slovenca-jurija-bradaca.html

-These fashion sites discuss it too: http://lifestyle.enaa.com/Svet-slavnih/Domaca-estrada/Slovenski-lepotec-Jurij-Bradac-blestel-v-spotu-kontroverzne-Lady-Gaga.html

http://www.fashionista.si/si/lokalno-in-globalno/Lady-Gaga-Alexander-McQueen-in-Jure-Bradac.html

-MTV Slovenija mentions it here: http://www.mtv.si/novice/jurij-bradac-in-lady-gaga

Apparently he's a big enough deal in his home country that parodies have been made of him- But he's yet to really hit it big here, so it seems to mostly be Slovenian resources that report him . . . Of course, for this very reason I understand if he is not considered very crucial info for an English article. Either way, thank-you for considering it as well as for responding so quickly! :) Littlezas (talk) 05:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

The MTV Slevenia source is reliable enough. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Live Performances

I don't think the performance on Gossip Girl is a live performance, I mean it's live on the show but not really live broadcasted. YZJay 13:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by YZJay (talk • contribs)

None of them are actually live broadcasted except AMAs. That doesnot mean she did not perform it in front of an audience. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Thus:

Live performance=Yes

Live broadcast (telecast)=No
—Iknow23 (talk) 03:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

She didn't even sing in gossip girl, she lip-synced. 222.79.158.77 (talk) 11:55, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request: Video section

Hi there -

Someone with the ability to edit this should change the following line in first part of the Video section:

"the character Max Wolf's costume" should read "the character Max's wolf costume."

That is how the source referenced reads... the character in "Where the Wild things Are" is named Max and wears a wolf costume. The article currently suggests that the character's name is Max Wolf. Not the case.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustmobile (talk • contribs) 17:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Occult/pagan references

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it is obvious that there are many pagan/illuminati/occult references going on in this video, even if it's just for show. I'm surprised that nobody's stated even the speculation on this subject which is pervasive around the internet. One of many sites I found on this subject is this [3]. I'm not saying it's a totally reliable source but the speculation on the subject is noteworthy in and of itself.

Some examples of the symbolism in this video are:
-the word monster painted over a christian cross at the beginning
-the symbolism of sensory deprivation
-a dance move towards the end clearly symbolizing an Illuminati triange
-the goat heads over the bed at the end

I'm not trying to sound like a lunatic, but the symbolism in this video is readily apparent. It's not like it's trying to control our minds or something, I just think it's an interesting point about the video that is totally glossed over here.

What's particularly striking is that the word "monster" being on one of the chambers at the beginning IS mentioned, but there is NO mention of the cross underneath even for the purposes of description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StartedTheFire (talk • contribs) 04:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not aware of anything suggesting that either the director or the artist are into the occult (although the director did do Constantine and I Am Legend), or that either of them intended occult symbolism in the Bad Romance clip. But as always, if you can find reliable sources discussing the issue you can feel free to start a section on it. You're right that Vigilant Citizen isn't even remotely a reliable source. Ideally you'd want something from someone involved in making the clip that suggests it's more than just Lady Gaga thinking it looked cool at the time. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Chord Progression

The correct chord progression for the chorus is F-G-Am-C-F-G-E/G#-Am. No Emin chords there. Normund (talk) 12:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree! --94.219.208.187 (talk) 22:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Songwriters

The songwriters must be listed via their stage name. This is for people to see reliable and accurate information purposes. CharlieJS13 (talk) 15:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Release history

The release history should be in chronological order. It currently is not!. Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Is that a guideline? I always do alphabetical since when it's released more than once in a country, it cannot be chronological overall. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah as far as im aware it should be chronological in order of time. See Telephone (song) or Blah Blah Blah (song) to see standard practise for release histories. Lil-unique1 (talk) 19:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

That's not really standard practice, it's more of one editor's preference. I do think that something needs to be done, chronological by first release date in the country or alphabetical, cause it's neither now. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I beg to differ although its not explicitly listed at WP:Songs or WP:albums it is something that is generally observed. Below is how i've always seen the release history should be displayed and its always how i was told by other editors and admin to format the release history. I believe it does make sense for it to be in time order like below: Lil-unique1 (talk) 20:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Region	Date	Format
United Kingdom	October 25, 2009	Digital download
United States	October 26, 2009
United Kingdom	November 23, 2009	CD single
Australia	November 27, 2009
Germany
United States	December 22, 2009	The Remixes – Digital download
	January 12, 2010	The Remixes – CD single
	February 9, 2010	The Remixes Part 2 – Digital download
France	January 18, 2010	CD single

I agree with Lil-unique1. It should be in chronology of the release dates. That's the overall MoS. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Lil and Legolas. Furthermore, the current table does not make sense. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 03:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm thanks guys. I thought i'd ask on here first rather than just doing it because it has been nominated for GA and if i'd gone ahead and made changes which someone then reverted it would have looked like the article was unstable and so could have failed on the edit war thing. Lil-unique1 (talk) 10:39, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

YouTube

{{editsemiprotected}} What about putting YouTube views? This video is currently over 160 million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 04:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

There was an info about that few days ago. But it is now removed (I did not find out who did that yet!).- easy for me, please! (sms) 11:14, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

It has now become the most watched video on Youtube at 178,707,840 views (currently). Die444die (talk) 13:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done for now: Currently at 178,912,545. No need for change. It is still there. /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 20:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that it's noteworthy that this song is THE MOST VIEWED video on all of youtube and by a large margin. Currently over 238 million views. Can someone add that to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cowbman (talk • contribs) 21:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I completely support the decision. This needs to be put down for the most views. It's extremely important! Sallyboy44 (talk) 01:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit: For now, I added it at the bottom of reception. Hopefully it stays there. I may add it in the description at the top too. Sallyboy44 (talk) 18:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Succession boxes

Can someone please work on the succession boxes, in the Chart procession and succession section. Several of the predecessors and successors are doubled up, but the rows can be forced to be two rows high. Also some of the charts have two runs, and currently only one succession is used for each chart. See {{s-start}} for more details on how to use the succession boxes. Adabow (talk) 10:28, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I was going to say remove most of them and keep only the major markets, as is done in "Poker Face". --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 85.178.195.101, 17 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} A cover version needs to be added. English singer-songwriter Wayne Jackson released a Bad Romance cover version as single in Germany on July 9th. 85.178.195.101 (talk) 20:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Salvio ( ^{Let's talk 'bout it!}) 23:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Article is really, really long. Remove chart procession & succession?

I can see how it's useful to have certifications and I can even see how it's useful to have the dates when the song was charting -- but is it really necessary to have nearly two screenfuls of table about how the single before it was Owl City's "Fireflies"? Surely no one can consider that information even remotely related to the article's topic. --Colin Barrett (talk) 10:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, it has to be there. It's in every single that has reached Number One on any chart whatsoever. Plus, it is related to the article, people may want to know, and see what kicked it out of the number one(or what the song kicked out).Sallyboy44 (talk) 17:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

See below section. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Vertical Stick

I do think this article should have a mention about how the song's famous line "I want your psycho, your vertigo schtick" is frequently misheard as "...vertical stick". However, I haven't yet been able to find a source that satisfies WP: RS for this statement. Googling "Lady gaga vertical stick" gives many forums, blogs, and misheard lyrics pages, but nothing that would qualify as a RS at this point in time. It's frustrating. Maybe someone else would have an easier time finding a RS for this statement? Stonemason89 (talk) 02:44, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

As you said, unsourced, and what is the point of have the mishearding of the line? Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 02:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Spanish certification

The song went Gold in Spain a few weeks ago, and stills in the #1.

www.promusicae.org

Now the song was certified 2xPlatinum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.55.153.160 (talk) 09:52, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Source please. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 41.199.138.144, 25 July 2010

Wouldn't it be better if the the chart processions and successions would be collapsible?--GagaLittleMonster (talk) 19:43, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

No. There aren't that many processions. Only the major markets have been kept. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but first time I viewed the article, I didn't know if it was the actual table or only the major markets, I had to compare it to the charts. So it would be a good idea if we write a small note mentioning this, or make it collapsible. Otherwise the song looks like it was some minor hit.--GagaLittleMonster (talk) 14:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Parody

The section on Parody was removed inappropriately by User:Legolas2186 with the reasoning that "Unofficial YouTube Links are blatant copyright violations." This is patent nonsense and has no actual meaning. Besides the fact that a youtube link was not even used as a reference for the Julie Brown parody, a YouTube link does not violate anyone's copyright. IF what Legolas2186 meant was that the parodies themselves are a copyright violation, this is also incorrect; parody is protected free speech as ruled by the United States Supreme Court. See Parody:Copyright as it appears right here on Wikipedia. I have re-added the parody section and I have added additional references. If you intend to delete this section again, I suggest you backup your reasoning with citations of actual Wikipedia policy violations. CouplandForever (talk) 23:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:V, WP:RS. I don't need to say more. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Glee Version

Is it worth adding that Glee's version left out bitch in the lyrics? ––GlennVP (talk) 12:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

No. –Chase (talk) 02:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

YouTube?

I don't know why the article is locked, but under the video section there has to be a note about how "Bad Romance" is the single most viewed video on all of YouTube. That's an impressive milestone! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.160.148.97 (talk) 20:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Really, is that so. The amount of views is never fixed, look up the most viewed video on youtube now if you must. --Arathun (talk) 21:15, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Charts

Russian Airplay TopHit 100 Peak position: 1 http://www.tophit.ru/cgi-bin/trackinfo.cgi?id=20713 95.110.22.208 (talk) 18:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:BADCHARTS is not allowed. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 01:24, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

MTV Music Video Award Record

Slesgehammer's page says it has won 9 nominations, whereas Bad Romance has 10. Both pages indicate a record (for a tie). There must be an error on one of these pages. --Arathun (talk) 21:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Lady Pasta

Somewhere in this arcticle, it should mention:

In the Annoying Orange episode 'Lady Pasta', a spoofed version of Bad Romance is played saying why you should eat pasta instead of spaghetti.

or something like that.

82.12.1.173 (talk) 15:00, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Horribly irrelevant; if there was a "reference in popular culture" section, which there shouldn't be because she is a living person, it would go there. --Arathun (talk) 21:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Reply:

HOW? HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED 'ANNOYING ORANGE: LADY PASTA'? THE TWO SONGS HAVE THE SAME TUNE, BUT DIFFERENT WORDS!

82.12.1.173 (talk) 15:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Its not notable or important to this article. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 15:11, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Do you guys think it's suitable time...

Do you guys think it's suitable time to add some notices about the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards winnings of "Bad Romance" to the Summary / General section? I just wanna tell the world it's has won some that honorable awards, including Video of the Year!!! -- †hinhin_of_you / buzzworthy / βoy Ünder Ғlowers / Mons†er Ғierce 05:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Clock tower cover

Recently, the bells in the clock and bell tower of Iowa State University had been programmed to play "Bad Romance". This is very interesting and deserves a mention in this article. (news; video) Fanatix 16:13, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 186.9.1.157, 18 September 2010

{{semi-protected}}

Bad romance didn't win best visual effects, it was muse

186.9.1.157 (talk) 22:20, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

 Not done nowhere does it say she won this award. it says she was NOMINATED for ten awards. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 23:19, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

IT didn't win Best visual effects

muse won best visual effects...not bad romance, eventhough its effects were superb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.9.1.157 (talk) 22:13, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Where is this going? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.63.38.139 (talk) 01:45, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Cla77j, 5 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} please add at the end of "Cover versions" section:

In December 2010, an italian cover version of 'Bad Romance', apparently named "dimmi di sì" ("Tell me Yes"), sung by 80-yrs-old Wilma De Angelis, has been broadcasted live by RAI1, one of the most important italian broadcasters, and immediately reprised by other media. Source: http://tv.repubblica.it/copertina/incontenibile-wilma-de-angelis-rifa-ladygaga-in-tv/57666?video

Cla77j (talk) 11:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

 Not done Although the source shows a video of the lady singing the song, like 10000s of youtube cover versions of "Bad Romance", this one also fails WP:NOTABILITY, the source doesnot mention any third party review. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

The source (www.repubblica.it) is the web version of one of the most important and popular independent italian dailypapers. Although there are tons of youtube cover version of the song, I suppose there is no one of those cited on the article with lyrics translated in non-english language. By the way, you can google: http://www.google.it/#hl=it&q=bad+romance+wilma+de+angelis and get some more significant reviews about that cover version. Cla77j (talk) 21:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Swiss Certification

It's Platinum now source! --79.216.185.171 (talk) 20:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done Thank you. Adabow (talk · contribs) 21:40, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Bad translation

The French in this article in the Composition section is wrong. In the song, she says "J'ai ton amour / et je veux ta revenge; j'ai ton amour / I don't wanna be friends!" This literally translates slightly different than the previous English lines. It technically says, "I have your love / and I want your revenge / I have your love / I don't wanna be friends." What's given in the Composition section of this article is a literal translation of the English lines to French, but that's not what she sings, nor does it fit the rhythm of the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.248.228.39 (talk) 20:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Miscellaneous feedback

Okay...

According to Gil Kauffman from MTV, -why should I care about his opinion? Why not say "MTV senior writer Gil Kauffman states..."

more as I go. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:20, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually not looking too bad at all. Nothing else comprehensiveness-wise or copyedit-wise jumps out at me, but then it is Xmas and I've been a bit preoccupied with RL and am a bit tired at present..maybe just go for it and see what happens.Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:34, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

"A bit "tired at present": Is that a Christmas pun? ;-) — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 15:44, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Code owrd for drunk, slo$hed, eh? He he. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:46, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Year-End-Charts

The song was No. 18 in Germany source... Thanks! --79.216.178.163 (talk) 19:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Year End 2010 in the UK it was actually 30 according to the OCC here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.6.24 (talk) 15:32, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

[4] is the official chart provider's site, while the current ref is by the BBC. Maybe it is an airplay chart? Adabow (talk · contribs) 02:13, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

GOLD CERT. IN SPAIN AND 2X PLATINUM IN AUTRALIA

PLEASE UPDATE THE CERTIFICATIONS www.promusicae.org >> 'Bad Romance' #1 for the second time in the official Spanish Singles Chart and gets GOLD.

www.ariacharts.com.au >> Autralian Charts, BR 2xPlatinum

Can you please update the sales in the United Kingdom.. as they have now exceeded 880,000 and it has been certified Platinum in the UK as of 2010. This has been bugging me for a VERY long time now and it should be ammended. It is the 7th biggest selling single by a female artist in the UK of the 21st Century. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.168.170 (talk) 22:12, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Certificacion en los Estados Unidos

Lady Gaga fue certificada en los Estados Unidos con 4 platino —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.30.236.34 (talk) 18:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

No deacuerdo a la RIAA. Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 18:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

A Clockwork Orange

The whole music video reminds me of Stanley Kubrick's film adaptation of A Clockwork Orange. Was the film an inspiration for the video or were there any other Kubrickesque influences? Could just be me. --194.81.33.10 (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

It's just you. Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 20:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Let's put a civil tone on that shall we. --194.81.33.10 (talk) 18:33, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

And here's a verifiable source to support my claim.

http://gagajournal.blogspot.com/2010/05/2010-gagadyssey.html

--194.81.33.10 (talk) 18:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Really blogspot? please read WP:RS Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 00:38, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, trying to make Wikipedia see sense is like spoonfeeding a child in a high chair.

http://live.drjays.com/index.php/2009/11/11/video-lady-gaga-goes-psycho-in-bad-romance/

That good enough for you? --194.81.33.10 (talk) 22:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm torn. The review you link to doesn't clearly call out what it means by "part homage to Stanley Kubrick." There's no strong sense that this is anything more than the author's analogy. The source itself isn't a great one, but then there's not a lot of serious work done in the area of reviewing music videos, so it might be as good as one could get. I did a few searches, and it's certainly something that a number of people called out in blogs and the like, but appears not to have been picked up in the mainstream press or anything more reliable than blogs.

On a side note: when you say, "trying to make Wikiepdia see sense," please understand that "Wikipedia" is you and me and everyone else who edits it. The problem that you have is that you're defining "sense" in terms of what seems obvious to you, but which you can't verify in any way that would stand the test of time. Wikipedia needs to be able to withstand that test, and anything that's added to this article that's not well verified, will likely be removed a day, a month, or even years down the line. That won't really help anyone, will it? -Miskaton (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

John Massari

The article for John Massari says, "He is perhaps best known for ... and creating the sound design for Lady Gaga's lead single 'Bad Romance'." The IMDB entry that that article cites seems to indicate that he actually did sound design for the video. If there's more specific and clear information available, it would be great if someone could add it here and clarify it in the John Massari article. -Miskaton (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Theme from Bach's Fugue in B Minor, WTC 1

This was the opening and closing theme of the song. This should be added. Agreed?--71.196.8.74 (talk) 02:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source? Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:38, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe (s)he is referring to the intro and outro melody played in the music video only and not the song. Yves (talk) 02:10, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

It is only in the music video. As to a reliable source, I cite the evidence of yours perceptual faculty, as listening to the opening bars of both pieces makes the judgment self-evidently true. First, the fugue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqbI9w3Fqfw ; then, the music video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I --71.196.8.74 (talk) 17:47, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from HazelGod, 2 April 2011

Current text: During the interlude, Gaga sings the verses from the chorus in French: "Je veux ton amour, Et je veux ta revanche, Je veux ton amour".

She actually uses a contraction (J'veux) to satisfy the syllabic cadence of the verse, much like an English speaker might say "I'll" in place of "I will."

The article should read: During the interlude, Gaga sings the verses from the chorus in French: "J'veux ton amour, et je veux ton revanche; J'veux ton amour..."

HazelGod (talk) 18:02, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

 Not done The reference given (album liner notes) gives "Je veux". Adabow (talk · contribs) 19:42, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

It is proposed to effect a slight change of diction.

I observe that the introductory paragraphs make a brief mention of the song's subject; that being infatuation with a best friend. Currently, the article reads "lyrics that address the situation of being in love with one's best friend". I propose that this line be adjusted to read "lyrics that concern the situation of being in love with one's best friend".
As it is now, is suggests that the lyrics pronounce, in accordance with some obligation of faculty, a definitive opinion on the matter, rather than a subjective account of it. I would usually make the change without reference to anybody, but as this is a semi-protected article, I thought it proper to open a discussion first. If no reply is made within the next 24 hours, I shall assume consensus and make the adjustment without fear of redaction or reprisal. Good day. I,E ^{• Wouldst thou speak?} 20:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from DougvanderHoof, 29 May 2011

The range of most of the song is as reported from the Sony sheet music. But starting at 4:08 in the video she sings a variation on "I don't wanna be friends" that starts on C5, a minor third up from the top of the reported range. And "Want your bad romance" right after that uses C5 also, which is an octave higher than this line in the rest of the song. I don't know what source to cite other than that I'm a professional musician and composer and it's clear to trained ears.

DougvanderHoof (talk) 13:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

 Not done Sorry no we cannot process this request. The sheet music analysis is added as per a reliable source and a core policy of Wikipedia is adding verifiable content from third party reliable sources. What you are asking is called original research, and since you are neither a critic or any third party reliable source, we cannot process what you want. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Picture

The video is SO HUGE. IT WON A GRAMMY. AND IT'S WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE DOESN'T HAVE A SUPPORTING PICTURE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.177.187 (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Consensus suggested that image is not needed. — Legolas ^(talk2me)

Then why is it present in all the other music video sections in her articles? 203.99.177.187 (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

"The 30 All-TIME Best Music Videos"

Ok, that is new, guys!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2085389_2085359_2085349,00.html

TIME Magazine has just included Gaga's "Bad Romance" as of the Best Music Videos of all time. Should we add some now? It's very clear. †hinhin_of_you / buzzworthy / βoy Ünder Ғlowers 15:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

The 10 Best '00s Music Videos: Poll Results

"Bad Romance" topped the The 10 Best '00s Music Videos: Poll Results, acoording to Billboard. Source. --NicolásTM (talk) 01:55, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes to both. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:31, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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Billboard.com does not agree

As it is currently written, the article seems to be stating that this song hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, however Billboard.com says it peaked at #2. It was #1 on the "Digital Songs" chart, so if the article was meant to say that, I leave it to someone who cares more than I do to fix the wording; I'm just dropping a note while passing through on research. --BBrucker2 (talk) 04:24, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Just the obnoxious LG monsters that cannot accept it didn't peak the chart. Fandalism removed. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:30, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

DJ Dean - Ballanation

This track uses some sounds from Ballanation by DJ Dean — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.136.214.108 (talk) 06:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Genre

Please don't add genre that aren't specifically cited to the song. If songs contain elements of something, they don't become it. That's like saying if there was a rapper for half a minute in this song, than it would become a hip hop song. I understand that there are sources that say they have parts of it, but that doesn't make it part of the genre. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:04, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Composition

The lead single in this section is about the recording of the track. Therefore it has no link to the structure, lyrics or content of the actual track, so the sentence should be moved to Background or the section should be titled Background and recording.

Drivel in the lede

The second clause of the second sentence of the lede begins: the lyrics of "Bad Romance" subsumes Gaga's fear of derisive relationships and the paranoia that she endures in her relationship with fame. Now, I confess that I have never even heard any track by Lady Gaga and maybe that's why I find the above quotation difficult to understand. Or it could be that it's just complete bollocks.

I'd fix it myself if I knew the first thing about the song in question. CIreland (talk) 20:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I think its just badly written by someone who doesn't understand the definitions of "Subsumes" or "Derisive". Subsume -To classify, include, or incorporate in a more comprehensive category or under a general principle. Derisive - showing or characterized by derision; mocking; scornful.... so the song is about her fear of mocking relationships? Sounds like bollocks to me.

But its defiantly in breach of the Original Research rules as its interpretation and synergy; not something expressly stated in a sources or in the article. So it needs reworking.

The section in the actual article (which is referenced) says "The songs composed during that time were about the various abstract "monsters"—metaphors that refer to her paranoias—she faced during the tour. One of these concepts was the "love monster", the central inspiration behind "Bad Romance". Gaga explained that she generally felt lonely when she was involved in a relationship, and concluded that she was allured by men with whom the romance never works out. As such, "Bad Romance" explored her preference for such lonely relationships and her poor choice in men." So that bit in the lede doesn't actually agree with what the section in the article says. -So it needs changing

so how about something like, '"Bad Romance" explores Gaga's attraction to men with whom romance never works, her preference for lonely relationships and the paranoia she experienced while on tour" ? --Rushton2010 (talk) 19:44, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I think what Rushton explained here makes sense and can surely be incorporated in the article. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 06:36, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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