Talk:Music of Mexico/Archive 1

Archive 1

No African Influence in Mexican Music Whatsoever, Apparently

Indigenous and European influences are credited, I see, but not African. Whether speaking of Son Jarocho, cumbia or rock, these music styles are either African in origins or have high degrees of African influence. Even music styles later adapted by Mexican-Americans were influenced by genres such as Big Band music, Blues, Jazz, Rock n roll, etc. Richie Valens is a prime example of this; his singing style borrowed heavily from African-American music sounds and styles of vocalization. Why not include African as being a source of influence?

Erroneous information

Erroneous information:

In the "Music of Mexico" section, some erroneous information needs to be addressed.

• El Gran Silencio has nothing to do with "cumbia" rhythm.
• Removing bands which were/are very popular/influential
• Inclusion of Selena/Kumbia Kings may not be very accurate, since these artist fall under Tejano music.
• Giving links to a particular artist seems unbiased
• Removing links to a page which is about a very popular genre which is part of the Mexican music culture.

As an extra note, I recommend more research on this subject before removing/editing information which was corrected. Including only artist that are media hype and omiting those who have been influential, yet not presently popularly known (media-wise), gives way to incorrect and dishonest information. Jose Valentin Quintero 17:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

And you are welcome to clean this article, however, you cannot just arbitrarily delete information without justifying your deletes, and you cannot disregard already existing links!

El Gran Silencio may not be cumbia, but it is Mexican music. Don't erase it, simply move it where it belongs.

Bands which were/are popular and influential may be added, but not at the expense of OTHER bands that ALSO where popular and influential. We are not trying to promote one band over another; we are trying to be complete and encyclopedic.

I agree on the Selena/Kumbia Kings, however, some of their music has influences/was composed using Mexican music, and thus deserves a menction: at the very least a subsection.

Giving links to a particular artists is unbiased, but you cannot remove the link to one and replace it with another. Be inclusive.

You are welcome to bring in your edits, but don't do it at the expense of otherwise valid information. Hari Seldon 21:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

No website link was removed at the expense of another. If you look closely, a link to one website is placed TWICE...I believe this is unescessary. If we shouldn't delete links or names of bands at the expense of others, then you could have then included what was placed (by me), and re-included what you consider important. As you say, this is evolving information and will be edited as needed by many other users. And, if we needed to place a certain singer/band on its appropiate category, then having not done so doesn't imply that it wouldn't be done in the near future. I prefer temporarily omiting erroneous or misleading information than having it publicized as correct. This wikipedia is work in progress. But don't get irritated when someone corrects you. In that case, I could have included Pete Astudillo in that category rather than say, El Gran Silencio. Cheers. Jose Valentin Quintero 22:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, go ahead, do your edits. Remember to provide reliable sources. Hari Seldon 00:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Clean up request

Hello. This article needed some cleanup because of:

Some Clean up

Sorry but I had to erase duranguense's part, because that info was erroneous and was plagued with insults. --Ferz5 (talk) 05:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

what it do

• Messy organization and outline
• Facts about norteno that were mentioned more than once
• Typos
• Stresses mariachi too much, as banda and norteno need to be mentioned (they're the most popular type of music among many Mexicans, like rock among Americans)
• Introdution is actually something about maricahi, which is NOT an intro to the various styles of Mexican music

I cleaned this up, hope it'll be better. - Stevey7788 01:09, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It looks much improved! Tuf-Kat 22:26, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

We also need to do something about the Mexican son section, which is taking over the ToC and has mainly two-sentence paragraphs. — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:36, 31 July 2005 (UTC)