User talk:AirshipJungleman29

baljuna covenant

AirshipJungleman29, i had two questions regarding this article and the associated blurb.

• do you know how it was determined that the portrait shown in the blurb was painted in 1278? the description on commons states that it was taken from a 14th-century album, but does not seem to mention when the portrait was painted. it appears that there was a portrait of genghis khan completed in 1278, but i am unable to conclude that it is the same one that appears in the 14th-century album. some (possibly unreliable) sources state that the original was lost, and that the one in the album is a copy.
• the way that temüjin is described as "khan of the Mongols" [links removed] in the blurb and "the khan of the Mongol tribe" [links removed] in the article lead suggests to me that there was one such khan at the time, and that temüjin was that khan while he was serving under toghrul. is this accurate? i could not find anything in the article body confirming this, though i did notice that the "Genghis Khan" article mentions that he was "acclaimed by his close followers as khan of the Mongols" while he was serving under toghrul. however, i don't know how accurate a description of temüjin by his close followers would be.

dying (talk) 09:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

• Dying, I can confirm the second one immediately—Temüjin's acclamation by his close followers (the leaders of the Mongol tribe) is all that was needed to be the Mongol khan, and this was not incompatible with him also serving Toghrul. To my recollection, there is a lengthy discussion of this point in Ratchnevsky 1991. I cannot give a similarly immediate response for the first question, so I'll have a look at that in-depth when I have time in a few hours. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:28, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

  oh, wow, thanks for the explanation. i admittedly would have never guessed that about the title "khan", as i had previously thought that the unique title was "khagan". also, have you had the chance to look into the issue with the caption yet? if the statement is unsourced, we could always fall back on what is stated in the article, and replace the caption with something like "Genghis Khan, from a 14th-century album". dying (talk) 19:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

  I haven't had time to find the related text (although I'm pretty sure it's out there), so that might be best dying. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:32, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

  yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if the album really did contain the 1287 painting, though after a bit more digging, i found one source reporting a historian describing a dispute between taiwan and china over who has the original, and speculating that the two similar paintings might actually both be original, so perhaps we'll never know. thanks, AirshipJungleman29! dying (talk) 20:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

October songs

my story today

Thank you today for the article, introduced: "The year is 1203. A middle-aged tribal chieftain has been betrayed by his lord; his meagre forces have been annihilated in battle, and he's been forced into headlong flight with a a small group of loyalists. They camp by a nondescript body of water (lake? river? does it matter?) to gather their wits. The chieftain looks around at the men who have followed him, even into these desparate straits, and knows he has to reward such loyalty. He takes a drink of the dirty water and swears an oath of mutual fidelity; his companions return the gesture. They take for themselves a title–not a noble one, but something ignominious, reflecting their situation. The Baljunatu, the "Muddy Water Drinkers"? That's really all they are, for the moment. - Mere decades later, millions of people and half the world live in awe of the power and name of that minor chieftain, a certain Genghis Khan. His empire spans Eurasia, and his generals wreak devastation on the greatest cities of the world. And he honoured the oath he swore on that dirty shoreline all those years ago—all the Muddy Water Drinkers belong to the highest nobility in the largest land empire the world has seen or will ever know. That is the story of the Baljuna Covenant."! - Enjoyed! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Precious

Mongol history

Thank you for quality articles around Mongol history such as Baljuna Covenant and Siege of Bukhara, and for articles around Hellenistic Asia such as Ai-Khanoum, for quality reviewing and teamwork, for "A place of relaxation, contemplation, and harmony", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2883 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! Glad you enjoyed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Congrats! Bobherry Talk My Edits 21:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you today for Boukephala and Nikaia, introduced: "From the adventures of Genghis Khan, we move to the life of another Asiatic conqueror, Alexander the Great. Two cities, founded either side of the river where he took one of his most famous victories—one named for the battle, the other for his horse. Alexander died only a couple of years afterwards but the Alexandrias live long in the memory of men."! - Did you see yesterday's story, sad but great? Today's is poetic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! You may be interested to know that yesterday I was invited (at very last minute) to see La forza del destino. As a complete novice, I greatly enjoyed it. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I love to hear that! The last time I saw it was at Oper Frankfurt, and while in the plot, he is of color, and she is white, the real singers were just the opposite, and while they played, there was a pair of actors in videos with the colors as in the plot, and you really understood that it should not matter. Powerful music with a lot of passion. The director was Tobias Kratzer, who had offered two pieces for one competition, one under a woman's name, appearing in both identities ;) (that was an easy DYK) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I think that one looks much more contemporary than the one I saw yesterday at the Royal Opera House Gerda; looking it up, I see that yesterday's was directed by Christof Loy (whose article you created) with Sondra Radvanovsky as Leonora—any thoughts on either of them? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Directors get a lot of freedom, at least since Patrice Chereau had the Ring cycle play in 19th-century industrialism (Jahrhundertring), 1976 that is, 100 years after the premiere. Never heard of the soprano, sounds interesting! Of Loy's work, I saw the one the DYK tells you about, and liked it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

More pics, and today's story is on a birthday, and the real DYK was already on that birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, you may be interested in my first opera-related article, Tale of the Moon Cuckoo—I quite enjoyed writing it, and I hope you'll enjoy reading it. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, enjoyed, extraordinary: plot, duration, history. Will review for DYK if nobody beats me to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Abraham Lincoln (Bittinger)

Hello. A request to take another look and hopefully pass Spiggotr6's article on this artwork which hangs in the United States Capitol as its official portrait of Abraham Lincoln. The painting is sourced to the House of Representatives and Capitol collection and also has a Smithsonian source. One gallery or museum source is usually enough to pass a visual artwork, and this page has several. This has become a major painting of Lincoln due to its prominence of being displayed in the Capitol and as part of the Capitol collection (as Lincoln's official portrait). Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi there Randy Kryn, I stand by thinking none of the sources pass WP:GNG; if the painting was as prominent as you say, I would expect at least one independent, non-trivial source, not two trivial mentions and two non-independent (and incidentally, very closely-paraphrased) sources. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:08, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

The paraphrasing concern is important, thanks for pointing that out. Once that's fixed then the sources come into play again, and it's pretty standard for Wikipedia artwork articles to accept museum or gallery sourcing for mainspacing the page. In this case the museum/gallery is the U.S. Capitol Building, and sources from there should surfice. But yes, the paraphrasing seems the main priority right now. Thanks for taking another look. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:27, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tale of the Moon Cuckoo

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Mongolian State Academic Theatre of Opera and Ballet

I just wanted to encourage you to consider expanding our coverage at Mongolian State Academic Theatre of Opera and Ballet. While this New York Times piece may have been wrong about the first Mongolian Opera, it probably does have some quality reporting on other Mongolian operas and the activities of this important theatre that could be used to expand that article and could be used in your article on Mongolian theatre. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I intend to at some point 4meter4. I saw a play titled The Mongol Khan yesterday—absolutely spectacular. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:37, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

4meter4 turns out that 1) there's now an article on The Mongol Khan I wonder who created it and 2) it started its run at that very same theatre. Speak of the devil, they say... ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

page deletion

hi i wanted to ask please recreate my page. i am editing it and making it encyclopedic. please I have already done a lot of work on it and why did you delete it? kindly do guide me whats wrong in it so that I can correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amyhere (talk • contribs) 20:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Amyhere, I am not an administrator and don't have the ability to recreate your page. I nominated it for deletion because it was entirely promotional. Next time, make your page encyclopedic from the start. That way, you won't have to do "a lot of work" for nothing. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

i have seen many such pages on wikipedia and I was trying to copy them Amyhere (talk) 20:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

also, I have seen a message that I should ask you to recover my page since you have deleted it. Amyhere (talk) 20:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Which pages have you seen Amyhere? As above, I did not delete your page. You should ask the administrator who deleted it (they will almost certainly say no). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

ok those were your sign over there and i thought you deleted my page. you nominated it Amyhere (talk) 21:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

The link at the end of the message tells you it was Fastily. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:08, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi there! Based on this conversation, you may be interested in reading the conversation by the same user at User talk:GoingBatty#help regarding new page. GoingBatty (talk) 19:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

GoingBatty, well that immediately meets Template:Db-spamuser, and raises further questions about the relationship between HishamMansourJamaanAlJamaanpage and the above user. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

How? When I had even made the paid disclosure on the talk page. Amyhere (talk) 03:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

November thanks

November songs

my story today

Thank you for your help to making my story today, Canticle I: My beloved is mine and I am his, - the composer, born OTD 110 years ago, didn't want it shorter (but the publisher), more here. I'm back to a good tradition: a Britten composition on his birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

What a story! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

User Talk:Gerda Arendt#Mozart Requiem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I adore the Requiem, Gerda. The composition of the Confutatis in Amadeus (1984) is one of the greatest scenes in cinema history, in my opinion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

It was exciting! - in memoriam Jerome Kohl who said (In Freundschaft): "and I hope that they have met again in the beyond and are making joyous music together" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposed clarification

I am sorry about modifications without prior announcement at the talk page, I should have put this to discussion page, I have listed the proposal here: Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations#Request for comments on clarifying the process of retracting the reviewer and returning the nominated article to backlog Maxim Masiutin (talk) 13:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Maxim Masiutin, in case you haven't got the message, everyone is thoroughly fed up of dealing with your antics. Go and write some articles, then come back and argue to change a page you didn't bother reading in the first place. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I read that page and I understood it was for finding another reviewer when the review was abandoned, that's why I thought that item did not apply in my case. The language was not clear. You might have familiarity with the process, still, a new person to a matter may find some instances overlooked by people who already know the process. I already made proposals to the other rule pages and those proposal were accepted. Please try to distance from personality and review this proposal isolated from who proposed it, as if it were proposed by somebody else. The fact that I might have committed errors somewhere else does not automatically mean that my proposal is bad. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 13:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

There are four explicit instructions on that page to go to WT:GAN if there are problems, Maxim Masiutin. If you are to be believed, you read sentences like If you are in a situation where you absolutely cannot continue to review the article, please contact the nominator. Consider helping them find a new reviewer. If necessary, leave a note on the GA nominations discussion page. and thought "I think not. The language is not clear. It may not apply in my case. I'll invent a completely new process instead." Why would I forget that you proposed it, knowing that it comes from someone who did not read the page properly in the first place? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. The current edition on the rules is different from my proposal: it encourages the reviewer who retracts to find a new reviewer first without simply returning the article to backlog as I tried to propose, and that is a difference. Sorry, I didn't thought about it in that way, thank you for your patience and time explaining me. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 13:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

How can I remove my proposal from the talk page? Can you please delete or revert the thread to not spend people's time? Maxim Masiutin (talk) 13:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

In your revert message you wrote I did'n discuss it so I thought it would have been worth otherwise discussing, but it turned out to propose a different process which is a no-go Maxim Masiutin (talk) 14:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Israeli citizenship law

Hey there, wanted to reach out to ask if you'd be interested in taking a look at the Israeli citizenship law currently at FAC? Trying to get some movement on it since the review's been sitting around for a while. No pressure either way if you're too busy but thank you again for your support in promoting previous articles. Thanks, Horserice (talk) 03:12, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Old Man and the Sea

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For wrangling the beast that is Genghis Khan into a quality article. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Chucky

Hello, please take a look at the vandalism taking place in the article Chucky (character). A bunch of IP addresses keep vandalizing it and it seems like I’m the only user trying to revert the edits back to the sourced version, although you did help and edit but the page needs to be protected. Thanks. Editsvi (talk) 02:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

November 2023

Hello, I'm Gologmine. I noticed that you recently removed content from Khorgo without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Would you stop removing my contents? next time giving you more severe warning Gologmine (talk) 13:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I will continue to remove badly written and improperly sourced content, Gologmine. You should improve the quality of your contributions. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I am keep improving it, until you vandalizing it. Cheers! I will do the same to your article Gologmine (talk) 15:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

It's your funeral, mate. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Genghis Khan

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The GA diatribe CABG.

As you seem objective - and I am not sure if you are an Admin.

I am new to WP - and you seriously need new technical editors - so I think this worth reading.

I feel I was rather 'set up' - my credentials are on my page and I wondered if this was ever a great idea - to be so public, personal ego perhaps.

I noted the patterns as I described - GA status seems a goal by many, certainly not by me - I am actually just happy to contribute here and there.

I know of no colleagues of mine that would go to WP for advice - some other specialties might.

I noted a few editors targeting older articles in the med/science/biochem areas - I note floating them into a GA pipeline is super important to them. I do understand there are indeed multiple perceptions of this - and I even collaborated on a few articles.

Being direct - sure anyone can edit WP - it is a core tenet. But when non-technical editors build off an older document - and have no real knowledge of the topic - it might be a problem, and I do think I got sucked into something - I was more than a little gullible in the GA reviews - and I was specifically asked by other editors - I now see there was an agenda - my perspective.

Enough said - I learned something without getting burned too much - but I was surprised - as an aging Physician I didn't think I'd be so susceptible to flattery.

I will be far more guarded moving forward.

I will tread very careful and might dilute my credential listing.

Doctor BeingObjetive MD. BeingObjective 19:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)