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Minor edits

What exactly qualifies (or doessn't) as a "minor edit" when editing an article? For example, if just one or two sentences are replaced in order to eliminate an unsourced conjecture, or a single citation is inserted to support an existing text, is that major or minor?

This arises because Wikipedia asks whether an edit is "minor". I don't know how this designation is used, or how crucial it is. Johsebb (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Johsebb WP:Minor edits would be a helpful page for you to look at. To sum it up, it's generally used for small changes such as typo correction, table fixes, or simple formatting. Edits to not be marked as a minor edit would be adding or removing content, or adding and removing templates. Kline • talk to me! • contribs 21:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Many editors never mark edits as minor unless they're semi-automated. Frankly, for other editors invested in an article, it's much more desirable to skim through 30 tiny edits they don't care about than miss one they did because it was marked as minor. Remsense诉 22:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Should have looked at that WP page in the first place! Johsebb (talk) 15:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I have been mis-labeling edits as "minor". I see from Help:Minor_edit#Things_to_remember that I can ameliorate this by making a dummy edit. But since I've done this repeatedly, is there a way to make a single dummy edit to cover all the edits that should not have been so labeled? Or would I need to make a separate dummy edit for each instance? And what are the consequences of failing to make any corrections? Johsebb (talk) 17:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, I really wouldn't worry about it that much. If it's too much trouble, you will be fine if you don't mark edits as minor—as I said above, people would be more concerned with false positives than false negatives. Remsense诉 17:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! At least, now I know, going forward. Johsebb (talk) 16:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Regarding map pointing feature

Hello there,

I was thinking on editing the wikipedia page Naya Sanwara and was thinking if a map showing its location in india and rajasthan would be available and how to add it, can anyone help by explaining me what is this and how can it be used.

Thanks in advance

Yamantakks (talk) 10:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

And I was also looking for citable resources like websites and the only I got were following

1. Village Info.in, i could not link it because it is blacklisted
2. Census 2011 . Co. In or simply "Population Census"
3. Local Body Data.com*

• This website only offers the details of the municipality or that things

Kindly tell if these are reliable enough to be used as citations ir should I nominate the article for deletion as it does not offers notable citations.

Regards

Yamantakks (talk) 10:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Yamantakks: Try adding Template:Infobox settlement to the article. Ask here again if you still need help, after reading its documentation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing, before spending my time to improve the article, I was thinking of finding citations and as I mentioned later, I am seeing a problem in notability of the article, so, can you see and tell me if it is eligible for being nominated for deleting or can I get any other to help.

With warm regards

Yamantakks (talk) 08:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Yamantakks: A settlement recognised in a government document such as a census is generally considered notable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:15, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing,

Ok, but, from the websites, they do not look like official government websites but are just some websites shosing the informwtion from census.

Yamantakks (talk) 03:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Adding an usurped web reference

Hi! This question references this article.

I recently requested that a spamlist URL be unblocked for a reference and it was approved here, since it was a usurped URL and the old version through internet archive was relevant.

In the request, they are advising me to add the ||url-status=usurped template to the reference. When I edit the reference, where do I add this? Or would I have to create a brand new reference and delete the old ones? Citation [37] is an example of a citation I need to add an usurped link web template to.

I don't mind doing it with either visual or source editing on desktop, I'm just not sure how to do it! Thank you! ← 𝐋𝐞𝐟𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐝𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧 17:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Lefthandedlion. Use Template:Cite web to format the reference. It has a url-status field, as well as the archive url field. See Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/1 for how to do this in Visual Editor. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I successfully added the sources! ← 𝐋𝐞𝐟𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐝𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧 04:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Lefthandedlion, to the best of my knowledge, a link that leads to a 404 page is not usurped/unfit. This is the case at least for the Citation 37 example you used. Are the rest like that? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

The domain issd.org previously belonged to the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation and has now been usurped by some Thai blog on the spam blacklist. Even if the specific page linked doesn't have a page on the blog it still is usurped IMO. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Deletionpedia seems to be dead

Had to use the site to get back articles, which wasn't notable at time of deletion. Guaka seems to be open to external contributions: https://github.com/guaka/deletionpedia/issues/35

But, seems like no one's going to pick up the gauntlet... Greatder (talk) 15:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

And your question about editing Wikipedia is...? ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine Oh, I thought this was the Tea house, so any blabbering about Wikipedia was done here. Greatder (talk) 23:26, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Greatder: Deletionpedia in not related to Wikipedia. We can't help you with any problems you are having with that project. RudolfRed (talk) 02:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

How do i make a Wikipedia page that could be accepted

 Courtesy link: Draft:The XDFilpDaf Channel

 Courtesy link: User:HeyTiSee/sandbox

I tried over and over again, but I think i get it, It needs a good reference, but how could the article be approved HeyTiSee (talk) 16:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

It would be helpful if we knew what page you're talking about, that way we can give tailored advice to that page.

Without that, the most I can tell you is to look at Your First Article for some good advice. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@HeyTiSee: Welcome to the Teahouse. You are going to want to look at Your first article and Easy referencing for beginners to establish wikinotability for whatever subject it is you're writing about. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, HeyTiSee. I'm afraid that you are having the same experience as almost everybody who tries the challenging task of creating a new article before they have spent time making improvements to existing articles and thereby learning how Wikipedia works. My advice to new editors (and yes, I see you created yhour account six months ago, but you have made only seven edits, so you are a new editor) is to put aside completely the idea of creating a new article for several months while you learn about crucial ideas such as notability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and verifiability.

Creating a new article starts with finding the sources, because if you can't find them, you will know that every second you spend on the article after that will be time wasted, I'm afraid. ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:BACKWARDS may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:The XDFilpDaf Channel was created and Declined back in October. You have done no editing on it since then. Try to figure out if you can add reliable source references, but if not, abandon the draft and in time it will be deleted. David notMD (talk) 22:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Merge pages

Hi. I don't edit WP much these days, so I forgot where to post this. Loop (education) and Looping (education) look like the same thing and should be merged. Shall I just make one a redirect of the other, and smush all the content into it? Phacromallus (talk) 19:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

First of all, welcome back! - Secondly: One of the articles seems to be about teachers teaching the same class or not, and the other about students that skip a grade ahead. So, while unfortunately named, these are indeed different articles. JackTheSecond (talk) 20:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

JackTheSecond, which one do you think is about skipping a grade? Seems to me, they're both about the same thing. Maproom (talk) 21:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Unbelievable... 'my own biases' seems to be the answer to your question. Looking at it again, yes they absolutely should be merged. JackTheSecond (talk) 21:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I merged them, which was quite satisfying. I guess I did something wrong though, and imagine I'll be reverted soon. I believe Wikipedia:Proposed mergers/Log is the place to get other merge jobs. Phacromallus (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Cancellation of Draft: Arno Vanmassenhove

 Courtesy link: Draft:Arno_Vanmassenhove

Dear Wikipedia Editorial Team,

We noticed the cancellation of our client Arno Vanmassenhove's Wikipedia page and would appreciate clarification on the decision. Arno's significant contributions to entrepreneurship and personal development warrant recognition on Wikipedia. We are eager to address any concerns and ensure the accuracy of his page.

Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely,

Cris Cawley Game Changer Publishing Itsarnovnm (talk) 19:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

That message and the current status of Draft:Arno Vanmassenhove are the exact reasons why it got denied at WP:AFC. The draft is filled with puffery and clearly violates guidelines on neutral point of view, something rather near and dear to us as Wikipedians. You call him a "visionary", said "this project showcased his early creativity and set the stage for his future endeavors" and "Vanmassenhove's ability to create compelling content and navigate high-stakes negotiations demonstrated a unique blend of creativity and business acumen that defined his path" among other examples. It reads like a CV.

In the references section, there's a distinct lack of any secondary references, one of the major Golden Rules of Wikipedia editing, with all of the references saying what is essentially "come and marvel at this fantastic man's work!"

It's a PR piece, and I'd seriously call into question whether you're here to make an encyclopaedia at all based on its content. I implore you, if you want to turn this page into something that belongs on Wikipedia, you need to research a lot more about Wikipedia's policies. Look to Your First Article for more. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft now deleted. Maproom (talk) 21:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

CommissarDoggo, it reads like a CV? I've had to skimread a lot of CVs in my time (before examining the more interesting ones more carefully), but never have I encountered one like this. (If I had, I'd have swiftly rolled it into a ball and tossed it into a wastebin.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Now now, who said it was a good CV? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 23:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Internet Archive and copyvio

Hey there, I wanted to cite the English version of the documentary 'London Calling: Cold War Letters' produced by ARD and shown by the BBC. Can I include a link to the documentary on the Internet Archive? That's all copyvio territory, right? JackTheSecond (talk) 19:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

JackTheSecond, you word your question obscurely. But if you are saying that London Calling: Cold War Letters (whatever this is) is copyright, and that it's at the Internet Archive in violation of the copyright, then no, you should not provide a link to it to it at the Internet Archive. -- Hoary (talk) 22:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary. Hm, yes, that sentence does not communicate the question I have all that well... Ehm: "Does the Internet Archive have a policy against copyright violations similar to Wikipedia, and can I trust it?" is probably concise. JackTheSecond (talk) 22:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

JackTheSecond, I'm sure that it does, and I'm sure that you can't. (An article here about a then-recent and definitely "all-rights-reserved"-ly copyrighted book linked in 2009 to a Wayback scrape of a web page illicitly reproducing the entire book. Back in 2009, I removed the link, but the copyright status of the book is unchanged and the Wayback scrape is still as it was.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Note though that there is no policy that says your cite must have a url. I have no view on if the documentary is an RS for what you want to use it for, that is a separate question. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:26, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Oh, I used the documentary in Draft:BBC German Service to build the article. Without the url. JackTheSecond (talk) 23:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

mobile tags in edit summaries

is it really necessary to display to the world that a user made an edit from a mobile device? soibangla (talk) 20:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, soibangla, and welcome to the Teahouse. WP:Tags explains how tags such as "mobile edit" can be helpful. Note that you can use them to filter History or Contributions lists.

If you think that there is some reason why that tag shouldn't be shown, then WP:VP is the place to argue that - I'm not sure which section of it would be best. ColinFine (talk) 22:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Create an article

I would like to request for an article to be created titled Disappearance of Riley Strain. Strain is a college student who attends University of Missouri who went missing in Nashville on March 8th. Cwater1 (talk) 22:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Cwater1, if Strain is notable as defined by and for Wikipedia, then you can create Draft:Riley Strain. Asking others to do it is not going to work. -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh okay, thanks! No worries, I'm not asking someone to do my homework. Cwater1 (talk) 00:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Cwater1, see in particular WP:BLP1E. -- Hoary (talk) 01:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Strain is currently newsworthy (a mysterious disappearance) but I strongly doubt he will ever be Wikipedia acount-worthy. In the US, thousands of people are reported missing every week. Most of those are eventually located alive (often, children taken by parents who do not have legal custody), but that still leaves thousands who are not found, or are found dead. David notMD (talk) 04:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

It is better off for this article to instead be a redirect at this time. This case has drawn attention across the US. Missing persons cases does often draw national attention. Cwater1 (talk) 01:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Evidence where citation is required.

How do I satisfy. For example,myappointment to a Court is questined but I have a photo of my commission. Amberino10 (talk) 23:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

[This appears to be about the article Shane Marshall. -- Hoary (talk) 23:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]

As you, Amberino10, are the subject of the article Shane Marshall, please read, digest, and edit in accordance with Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help. (This normally means not editing the article itself, but instead making suggestions on its talk page.) If you have a problem interpreting or applying what this says, feel free to ask here. As for citing a photograph that you possess, the page I've linked to says: "Three main policies cover content:[...] 2. Verifiability (facts in articles must be verifiable from reliable sources) [...]". The page on verifiability says, inter alia, "Unpublished materials are not considered reliable." -- Hoary (talk) 01:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

sandbox thing

why the hell do I get a message saying my edits were unconstructive and they told me to go to the sandbox for that stuff, TURNS OUT I WAS DOING THE SANDBOX SO WHAT DO I DO! I DIDNT EVEN VANDALIZE THE LITTLE TING THEY SAY NOT TO MESS WITH!

ok my rant is done 2601:281:D87E:6880:54B3:1ABE:2B5A:CC15 (talk) 00:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

What you were doing was perfectly OK. I'll discuss with the editor that warned you – making test edits in the sandbox is just fine. Tollens (talk) 00:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Do understand though, that the Sandbox is blanked automatically, frequently, so not a place to create lasting content. Use your own Sandbox. David notMD (talk) 02:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD: I don't believe IP editors can create personal sandboxes, since they can only create pages in the Talk namespaces (though I suppose they could use a subpage of their own talk page). Even then, on an IPv6 address it's very likely they will just be unable to find the page once their address changes. Tollens (talk) 02:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

My error. I overlooked that this was an IP that wishes to take over the general Sandbox for personal purposes. David notMD (talk) 04:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia

I just joined today and can see where this will be a most entertaining and educational site for me. When I set up my homepage I selected topics that were of interest and that will be needed for research. My question is how do I select these topics or do I just put them in the search bar? Thank You for your Assistance Caryb7 (talk) 02:32, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Caryb7, the topics you select on your homepage are topics of interest for editing articles. If you're just reading wikipedia for fun, use the search bar to find articles you're interested in and go from there. -- asilvering (talk) 04:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

...I think both of you are talking about the Wikipedia:Growth_Team_features#Newcomer_homepage, but I'm not too familiar with it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Caryb7: Yes, this is about Special:Homepage and the topics of interest are only used by the "Suggested edits" feature. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Are all images on Government of India-owned websites subject to the Government Open Data License (GODL)

About the picture I included and found on a Government of India website, depicting Santi Sudha Ghosh, does the Government Open Data License apply to this specific image? Also, does the permission for using this image follow the general rules for using pictures on Government of India websites? Or are there special rules just for this image? Charlie (talk) 02:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

To maximize your chances of getting a knowledgable and informative answer to this compound question, Charlie, try asking it at commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 07:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary. Charlie (talk) 13:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Help Regarding Wikipedia Page Export

Hi. I am fine tuning an LLM and for that I need some wikipedia page texts. Basically, that is going to be an environmentalist type of LLM, having expert knowledge on environment and environment conservation. I exported pages from certain categories from Special:Export. But, it came as an XML file, and doesn't contain only the page title and the page text, which is as I want as the dataset for fine tuning. I would be highly elated if someone could help me out in this. Itcouldbepossible ^Talk 07:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Itcouldbepossible. Can you use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example_(album)?useskin=apioutput? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunterThanks for your help sir. But how can I extract the page text, like automatically, and for a number of pages? Since the categories I have choosen has quite a large number of pages inside them. Should I use Wikipedia API for parsing the pages? But I don't find a way to get the page text and put it into a dataset for training. Itcouldbepossible ^Talk 09:39, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: I was merely asking whether you had tools to use a link of that form. I guess the answer is no. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Need Help for my first article

Looking for someone to edit / write correctly my article YPAFine Art Foundation in Wikipedia. Thank you very much for your understanding. Loreta Ypafaf (talk) 09:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

(Draft G11'd, user blocked.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to author or co-author drafts or articles. David notMD (talk) 13:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Institute for Uranian Psychoanalysis

Friends,

I am working on this draft, can you please send me any advice? Draft:Institute for Uranian Psychoanalysis Jamplevia (talk) 09:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

That draft tells us nothing about the Institute and doesn't cite a single reliable source. Before you do any more work on it please read WP:Your first article and WP:BACKWARDS. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

See also WP:NORG. If the sources required don't exist, a WP-article will not be accepted. If you haven't, consider asking for input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Jamplevia, Draft:Institute for Uranian Psychoanalysis has an external link near the top, to https://treeroots.org/. That page refers to "the dissolution in 2020 of ... the Institute for Uranian Psychoanalysis". So the first source you link to says that your subject no longer exists. That's not a promising start. Maproom (talk) 11:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

The draft is not a place to ask questions about how to make the draft. I deleted that. If there are not references about the Institute published be people with no connection to the Institute, then the draft cannot succeed. David notMD (talk) 13:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I'm too busy updating the draft article's Talk page to respond any further on this unhelpful tea-whatever-it-is. ---- Jamplevia (talk) 16:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Creating new names...

What's 1st - _ , . 2600:1700:A1C1:8210:B9E4:F997:3463:9548 (talk) 09:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Can you be more specific as to what you are asking? 331dot (talk) 09:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Double standards in notability?

I noticed a discrepancy over the weekend and this prompted me to return here and ask how come there are a little double standards when it comes to establishing notability for historical figures and modern entertainers, especially youtubers. I followed this rabbit hole after I saw in the news Tristan Tate's article was deleted for not passing WP:GNG, yet passes notability under WP:GNP, I mean the same rational can be used for articles like Gessius Florus, which I can argue doesn't pass GNG. I saw many other youtubers like Niko Omilana have similar like coverage to these roman guys, in that it's really all just general information of them around nothing widespread yet he is still deemed not to pass GNG but under GNP undoubtably passes yet this was ignored in the deletion discussions. This is a genuine question as I honestly can't wrap my head round this. Serrwinner (talk) 10:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Serrwinner, the difference is material on those people survived for 2,000 years, from a time when paper wasn't even invented, let alone computers. I am sure Wikipedians from the year 4500 will consider Tristan notable if they find him in their archives, provided stories on everyone else from this time does not similarly survive. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I mean I totally get and really I'm not saying those Roman guys aren't notable and I agree with you. However how come using the logic that their life stories have survived 2000 years make them notable isn't the same as me saying someone like Tristan or Niko or even Iman Gadzhi (as much as I don't like him) have influenced a lot of young people in this generation with widespread proof to this ie. their following and all, hence proving their notability. Or as used in WP:GNP a "cult following" Serrwinner (talk) 11:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Serrwinner, sure, it's possible some of them are already notable, in the real world sense. Wikipedia has just determined they are not yet, in the Wikipedia sense. That is, there isn't enough usable material in the available reliable secondary sources to write a balanced article making a proper case as to why the life story of a given person is knowledge worth knowing. We're too close to the events right now. It's possible we will see a culture shift or a shift in gender dynamics, marriage and divorce rates, etc. And academics will write about how the influence of people such as Tate over the new generation is what's causing it. Maybe in forty years, an American president will say Tate was a big influence for him growing up. He's immediately notable as soon as anything like that happens. Maybe tomorrow, a couple newspapers will publish a few paragraphs with Tristan on focus. And, he's immediately notable for Wikipedia. Wikipedia has deleted biographies on nobel prize winners a short time before they won and immediately recreated the article soon as they won; that's just how Wikipedia works. WP:GNP is an essay. It does not guide Wikipedia. No way to know if there's one person agrees with WP:GNP or ten thousand. Anyway, reread the first two sentences. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

But wait can't I say that the Roman guys are not notable in the Wikipedia sense as well due to the references not passing all three criteria? Serrwinner (talk) 12:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Ultimately, GNG is still a guideline. Its the minimum criteria we've agreed on for when we can't agree whether or not a person should have an article. Sometimes people who are not notable meet GNG and Wikipedia may retain those articles even though it should not. Sometimes people who never get written about, so don't pass GNG, we agree to keep based on other criteria just because they are important, under the presumption that eventually there will be sources. Don't ask me where I got this from, but people who lived before the priniting press was invented, we presume are notable. Maybe Gessius Florus does not meet GNG, maybe he does. It ultimately is not even about him. He's a window through whom we can see a picture of a place and time in history. There isn't much that survives from so long ago, it would be a shame to lose anything that's reached us. Sure, if everything that's known can be included in another article, merging is fine even with Florus, but we don't want to lose any detail. So, it's not a fair comparison, because any random person living now isn't worth knowing about, but any random person from 2,000 years ago is, because of what we can learn about our own past through them. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

On "not passing GNG", not exactly the case: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tristan Tate (2nd nomination) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

The guys who voted delete did so on the basis of not meeting GNG but only addressing WP:PERP hence why I said it. Serrwinner (talk) 12:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, but the closer was more BLP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Serrwinner: Still, I don't think there is a double standard in notability. The main critereon is if secondary sources are available on the topic, even if they are not present in any given article. If they can be found, the WP:GNG requirements are fulfilled and an article will usually kept in the case of a deletion discussion independent if it is a modern or ancient topic. I think it just has been summarized above, that if a person or topic from antiquitiy remains known at all in modern times, then it is very likely that there are secondary sources about it. But that's not applying a different standard. Daranios (talk) 11:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

My page is getting rejected

My page is getting rejected and even deleted. I am unable to understand the mistake being made. Is there any reference. Page " Ambarish Anand:

136.185.212.108 (talk) 10:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Did you forget to log in? When you have an account, it's best to not edit logged out because there are rules about it and you'd have to learn those too. The relevant guidelines for you are WP:N and WP:NPOV. WP:V comes next. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It's easy to make the mistake but Wikipedia is not at all in the same category as either LinkedIn or IMDB. Click on all the blue links that were included in the messages that you received on your account's talk page, and read the pages those open, please. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Ambarish Anand by User:Ambarish2anand was deleted as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion" per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G11. It was extremely promotional. Under the heading "Ambarish Anand: The IT Maestro and Visionary Leader" it said: "Ambarish Anand stands as a beacon of innovation and leadership in IT services, digital transformation, and entrepreneurship. With a track record adorned with accolades and achievements, he is playing a part in reshaping service delivery in tech industries but also inspiring a new generation of leaders." And that was just the start. It's not "your" article but an encyclopedia article about you. This is not how our encyclopedia writes articles. See also Wikipedia:Autobiography. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with articles, not social media with pages. You may have grandiose opinions about your own importance, but unless people with no connection to you are publishing about you there is no potential for there being an article about you. David notMD (talk) 13:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

permission new languages

I do an intership and they asked my if i cloud make an new translation, Because they say we cant do that

Yours sincerely 91.126.218.231 (talk) 12:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@91.126.218.231 I'm not sure what you are asking with this question. Could you please explain a bit more? Kline • talk to me! • contribs 13:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Submission has not gone "live" on Wikipedia

Hi there.

I submitted a page about Terrence McCauley (author) for releasee on Wikipedia about a month ago, but have not seen it go "live". It appears to still be in my sandbox. (here's the link to my sandbox and the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:DutchessR/sandbox&oldid=1210452346)

Can you tell me if it's been submitted and if it's in the cue for submission OR if I've done something wrong? If I've done something wrong, how do I properly get submitted for release?

Much appreciated!

Thank you! DutchessR (talk) 13:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

You haven't submitted it, you published it. That's essentially how you save your work, not how you publish it to Wikipedia. What you're looking for is Articles for Creation. As an aside, you need to have secondary references for what you're adding to that page, otherwise it'll never pass AFC.

Please see Your First Article for more helpful information. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Theroadislong for adding that submission template. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Now at User:DutchessR/sandbox David notMD (talk) 13:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

As you claim that the photo is your own work, what is your connection to McCauley? David notMD (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Just noting for the record that it was a carbon copy of the author's website and has thus been deleted. Primefac (talk) 13:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I really hope that you didn't delete my sandbox as I was planning to edit based on comments that others have left to have better, more factual data that can be verified/reference. Is there any way that you can put the data BACK in my sandbox so that I can edit properly instead of starting from scratch again? DutchessR (talk) 16:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Copyright violations cannot be restored. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

recent changes show new changes button not appearing

so recently when i have used recent changes, the button that appears when a new change happens that shows the new change has not been appearing. i tried using live updates, but that doesnt work either, does anybody have a solution to this? Gaismagorm (talk) 13:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

nevermind its working now Gaismagorm (talk) 13:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Northwestern College (Iowa) Wikipedia page

Northwestern College (Iowa)

I have worked on improving this page by adding citations and removing academic boosterism. May the the two maintenance templates be removed now? According to Wikipedia's guidelines, I'm not qualified to remove them because I have a conflict of interest: I am employed by Northwestern College (Iowa). Please reply to VisualEditor. Thanks in advance for your help. Skielark Skielark (talk) 13:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

You have only added primary sources to most of the sections. Wikipedia requires independent secondary sources to verify the statements. Maybe, someone could replace it with a {{Primary sources}} tag. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 16:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Need help and advice for a beginner

I recently joined Wikipedia English. I started by making small editions, then creating a few articles based on existing ones (which didn't seem like a bad idea to me). Unfortunately, my articles were rejected because they were not developed and sourced enough. I took the time to rework one of the articles to see if it would pass the draft this time. But he was rejected again. Would a kind soul give me some advice on what I should change on this article: Draft:Lonza Arena. I am criticized for not citing enough references even though I included 24, which represents one for 30 words depending on the size of this article. Since I spent time writing it and I feel like I described the subject well, I would like to be able to validate it. Could someone guide me in this direction, please?

Thank you Gotch87 (talk) 14:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

All your references are to one regional newspaper. To be suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia, a subject must have significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. This generally means at least three different sources. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Please stop creating articles in mainspace. All of your efforts to date have been turned into drafts because of serious shortcomings, including the lack of any references. The one you submitted to AfC (Draft:Lonza Arena) was Declined (not Rejected) for reasons given by the reviewer and above (21 of 24 refs to local newspaper). David notMD (talk) 15:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, the link you gave me is very useful. I will try to vary my sources. Gotch87 (talk) 00:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

How do I disambiguate two churches with the same name?

Suppose a city, say Wikitown, has a Catholic church and a Protestant church, both named "St. Peter's Church". I wish to create articles for both of them–how should they be named? Is it like

• St. Peter's Church, Wikitown (Catholic), or
• St. Peter's Catholic Church, Wikitown, or
• St. Peter's Church (Wikitown, Catholic)?

Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 15:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, The Lonely Panther. The relevant policies are in WP:TITLE, specifically WP:COMMONNAME and WP:TITLEDAB. Off the top of my head, if the church is customarily known as "St Peter's Catholic Church", then your second option would be best, but if not, then your first. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Obituary as the main source and reference

Hi, with regards to Draft:Farid Allawerdi, all the article is from multiple online obituary publications about the subject, Farid Allawerdi, and all the online articles are referenced. The obituaries are from Arabic source websites of news, newspapers and publications by journalists and writers (all are published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject). I have merely toned down and re-written/translated them in the article body. There are 16 references about the subject matter and only 2 where the subject name is mentioned in passing. I do not understand why the reviewer rejected the article questioning its qualification for wiki. Rogerdoyle1 (talk) 15:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

You have not re-submitted the draft since it was declined, it has NOT been rejected. Theroadislong (talk) 16:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

There are large unsourced sections (I think the record in this article is 12 paragraphs in a row without citation but do correct me). That is a massive problem and needs to be fixed before resubmission. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for highlighting that. Could I place the same reference after each paragraph as each paragraph refer to one long online obituary. Rogerdoyle1 (talk) 16:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

As long as what's sourced in the paragraph is from a certain citation, that citation should be placed at the end of that paragraph.

If one half of a paragraph is sourced to one citation, and the other half is sourced to another, put the first citation after the first half and the second after the second half. Please see WP:CITE and, as the first example that comes to my mind, take a look at one of my more recent biographies; Catherine Jordan. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

First Article

I've recently been asked to make a page for well known, notable percussionist. I've made several edits and citing every claim. I keep finding articles online that say "...now click the MORE menu in your sandbox and click MOVE to move the article..." but I don't see a MORE menu. I'm sure this is user error, like I didn't something incorrectly, or I'm just not seeing the menu, but can anyone help me out?

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:WikiDMM/sandbox&oldid=1212412209 WikiDMM (talk) 16:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @WikiDMM, I've moved it for you, and it's now at Draft:Gumbi Ortiz. When you are ready to submit it for review, simply press the blue button. -- asilvering (talk) 16:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I submitted it for review. WikiDMM (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, WikiDMM, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that you are in the same position as hundreds and hundreds of people who come here to create an article, and do so before they have spent any time learning how Wikipedia works. My prediction is that you are going to have a frustrating and miserable time for the next few weeks - I may be wrong, but that is what my experience tells me.

Like most such people, I think you have written your article BACKWARDS, starting with what you want to say and then looking for sources. You have few or no independent reliable sources. You have non-neutral language in your draft.

In addition, your wording above, saying "I have been asked to make a page" implies that you have a conflict of interest in writing about Ortiz. It is important that you clarify what your relationship is to him: if you are in any way paid or employed to do this, then you must make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor. You should probably also read WP:BOSS.

In my view your draft has no hope of being accepted in its present form. You may continue to work on it while you await a reviewer - if you are going to do this, you should first and foremost look for sources where people who have no connection with Ortiz have chosen, off their own bat, to write at some length about him, and been published in reliable places: see Golden rule for what we are looking for. Note that anything based on an interview or press release does not count.

Then you should remove everything from your draft that is not found in one of those sources.

But my more general advice is that you should put aside the whole idea of creating a new article for several months, while you learn about Wikipedia by editing existing articles. When you have understood about notability, reliable sources and neutral point of view will be the time to read your first article and come back to it. ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with most of this, but would like to add that you can indeed keep information that is sourced from interviews, press releases, etc, provided that it is neutral and the topic is shown to be notable through other sources. -- asilvering (talk) 20:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Your not submitted draft is at User:WikiDMM/sandbox. It should be submitted to the Articles for Creation review process for a reviewer to evaluate and accept, decline, reject or speedy delete. David notMD (talk) 16:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD, a new editor who can't find the tools menus is really unlikely to be able to usefully understand this kind of comment. It would be more helpful if you could move the draft for them and tag it for AfC. -- asilvering (talk) 16:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

WikiDMM Asilvering was kind enough to do what I only pointed to - adding a Submit function. There is a backlog of drafts and the system is not a queue, so could be days to months before it is reviewed. As currently written, there is a lot (a lot!) of content that is not verified by references. David notMD (talk) 17:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm definitely going to keep working on it. Thanks! WikiDMM (talk) 19:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Moving redirect page

Hi there, I've probably asked a similar question in the past, but I can't seem to remember what the procedure was. I'm trying to move the page Kampot Province, Cambodia to Kampot Province, which is currently a redirect, with the rationale that there is no other Kampot Province anywhere else, so the disambiguating "Cambodia" is unnecessary. Unfortunately, I don't know how to get rid of the redirect page. Please help! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 17:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Revirvlkodlaku! The instructions are at Help:How to move a page. Since there is a title at the target "Kampot Province" already, you may have to request the move be made. Once moved, the original page with ", Cambodia" should be tagged with Template:R from name and country. Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 18:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Mallcore

I want to re-create this article and make it a redirect to Scene (subculture)#Criticisms. Its actually a fairly common term and used in that section so imo a redirect makes sense. However the page is protected. Could an admin lift the protection or create the page themselves? Thanks --FMSky (talk) 19:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@FMSky, WP:AFC/R is for this problem. -- asilvering (talk) 20:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Edit Conflict

Hello!

Please tell me how to recover lost edits during an edit conflict. When I act instinctively, I end up losing my work and having to start over, which is a pain. Any advice on how to avoid that going forward? Thank you very much! Fenharrow (talk) 19:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. When an edit conflict comes up while attempting to publish an edit, your attempted edit is provided at the bottom. 331dot (talk) 19:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah I see. I will check it out. Thanks! Fenharrow (talk) 19:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Using a YouTube source

Hello, I have an issue and I am wondering if it is reasonable to use a YouTube source to cite something. I am working on the article CaseOh, and I mention that he collaborates with streamers such as Jynxi, but somebody said I need a citation for it. There are no news mentions of it, but there is a video uploaded to YouTube by Jynxi himself, which proves exactly that it happened, better than any other type of source could. The link to the video is Caseoh | Jynxzi Podcast #1 - YouTube. I understand YouTube links are usually discouraged, but I am not sure if this is an exception. Thanks. Antny08 (talk) 21:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

YouTube sources are discouraged as WP:PRIMARY sources, but using them as a statement of fact is generally ok as long as you aren't trying to extrapolate anything from that.

If that video says specifically that they collaborate, that's fine, if it's just them two in the same video then all that really is is them in a video once. An example of this would be on Ren Gill, where a YouTube video he put out is used to spell his middle name. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Consider also that if no independent source has bothered to notice that these two collaborate, it probably fails WP:PROPORTION to include it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Eric Mays

In all my years at WP I don't think I've come across an article like this one: Eric Mays. I'd like to go in and clean-up but honestly I'm at a loss. Without any real inline citations, let alone sources to back up a good portion of this entire article, I'm afraid most of it will simply be scrubbed. Obviously it was written by someone who knew the subject closely or at least has an extreme WP:COI. The article itself follows no MOS. I guess what I'm asking is: how would some other WP editors approach this task? I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty, but this will be quite the undertaking. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 21:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not personally gunna read through it right now, but due to the lack of proper citations (there is a reflist but there's absolutely nothing inline) it'll be very difficult to do much with this without just nuking it.

The last time I came across something like this with such a dire lack of citations (at least it had citations already), I ended up just finding citations and rewriting the majority of it. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

It should look a bit better now after I reverted a recent edit adding reams of unsourced puffery. MarchOfTheGreyhounds 21:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

It does, March - but I see you haven't (so far) communicated with the editor who added all that. I suggest it would be a good idea to do so. ColinFine (talk) 21:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Good point, thanks for the reminder. MarchOfTheGreyhounds 21:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. That's what I thought was going to happen. Short of nuking it, most of the sources for this "controversial" Mayor were ... controversies. Not much of a legacy; but it is what it is. At least it reads more like a WP (MOS) article. Sad all that content had to be scrubbed; but without putting in the time, I guess there was no other way. I'm sure though the subject did do some good; since he was Mayor from 2013 until his death in 2024. Perhaps a template should accompany the article to help improve it. Not just clean up. Thanks to all though who swiftly attended to this. Maineartists (talk) 23:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I can very easily think of politicians who have contributed nothing to society or indeed anyone or anything (aside from favored family members, a few cronies, etc), yet are uncontroversially "notable" in Wikipedia's sense. So "notability" isn't negated by uselessness. That said, it's not clear to me that this fellow is "notable" in Wikipedia's sense. But in order to decide if he is or isn't, I suppose I'd have to look at a number of the references already cited, not an alluring task. (Also, chronic non-achievement can be notable in its humble way: example.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Important question

Does WP:A3 apply also to drafts? 37.160.173.21 (talk) 22:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I asked the question while I was unlogged 14 novembre (talk) 22:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

In my admittedly limited experience, I'd say no. If it did then note-taking the night prior would be impossible because it'd get speedy deleted before you even get to start. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo Ok. Thanks for your answer. I was wondering if there was some criterion under which Draft:Nelson Mandela, an empty draft with the same title and on the same subject of an existing mainspace article, could be listed for speedy deletion. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 22:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not massively familiar with deletion categories, I've never really had a reason to use the articles for deletion or speedy deletion areas.

That being said, I can see you've already left a message on their talk page. That should really be enough. As there's already a page on the topic, it won't pass submission through articles for creation and will at most have the information the user collects merged with the existing article where applicable. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 23:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo OK. Thanks for your answer. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 23:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I've checked your talk page and I can see you've been informed previously about how speedy deletion criteria's do not apply to drafts. Of course, as previously stated, that fact is news to me.

Please see User talk:14 novembre#Speedy deletions. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 23:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, with some exceptions, the "G" criteria of CSD do apply to draft pages and may be used with discretion to tag pages, since some things, like copyvios and attack pages, should be speedily deleted whenever they're found. It's the "A" criteria that don't apply to drafts. Deor (talk) 00:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

A little help....

First time here, just not sure what to do or how to start contributing? I was not even aware we could edit Wikipedia! So just a little direction if you please... Connoramam (talk) 22:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, a good place to start would be the Task Centre. I'd personally recommend citation hunting and copyediting. Citation hunting will help you learn the citation system, where you should be adding citations and what sites are acceptable to cite with.

Copyediting is a great way to learn things like how the Manual of Style works.

When you've gotten a little experience under your belt, I'd recommend grabbing WP:TWINKLE and trying out Recent Change Patrols. That'll show you how often people vandalise and how quickly those edits get reverted. It's a good way to learn about how issues with Wikipedia are solved, how the various administrative noticeboards function, how to deal with vandals when (yes it is a when, not an if) you find them and how robust the systems are for keeping Wikipedia honest.

Finally, when you feel ready and when you have something you're interested in, check out Your First Article. It'll help you to find out how best to make an article. Never work backwards.

Ultimately, I'd advise joining the Wikipedia Discord server, it's a great place to get quick advice from experienced editors, much like right here in the Teahouse. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 23:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Connoramam: Welcome to the Teahouse. As a new user, you should have access to your own homepage, which will suggest some tasks for you to do. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Request for PCR

Can I ask any admin to review my pending changes reviewer request or is that not allowed? Mseingth2133444 (talk/contribs) 00:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Mseingth2133444: Just wait. The note at the top of the page says Editors should not expect their request to be answered right away and should remember to be patient when filing a request. RudolfRed (talk) 00:39, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed Sorry my brain seems to have missed that. Thank you anyway. Cheers, Mseingth2133444 (talk/contribs) 00:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

How do I upload an image of a film poster on a film submission draft page "Draft:Wash My Soul In The River's Flow"? Thanks

I'd like a reply specific to visual editor please Kim alice film (talk) 00:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Kim alice film: I don't use VE, do I can' thelp you with that part. Howver, you cannot put non-free media such as a film poster in a draft. You will need to wait for the draft to be moved to an article before adding the poster. RudolfRed (talk) 01:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

thanks @RudolfRed I will wait to see if my draft corrections get approved. Is there a way to tell if you have submitted corrections in the right way. I dont mean if the corrections are right but rather is whether my new draft is sitting in the new submissions pile. Sorry I'm just new to wiki so trying to wrap my head around it. Kim alice film (talk) 01:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Kim alice film: Yes, it's been submitted for review. Draft:Wash_My_Soul_In_The_River's_Flow, you can see in the yellow box that its waiting for review. RudolfRed (talk) 02:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

thanks @RudolfRed Kim alice film (talk) 06:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Kim alice film, although Draft:Wash My Soul In The River's Flow has been submitted, and although it looks promising, material such as The 2004 shoot was filmed by cinematographer Allan Collins. Seventeen years later, the landscape footage of the Coorong and painterly abstract images were shot in 2021 by Bonnie Elliot in preparation for the editing of the film. / Ruby Hunter’s surviving brothers Eric Richards and Jeff Hunter were involved with the filmmakers in the production, in particular shooting on Ngarrindjeri Country. Rosslyn Richards, Hunter’s sister-in-law, working with Ngarrindjeri Elders, translated and supplied the subtitles in Ngarrindjeri language which appear with English text on screen. is unreferenced. You'll increase the chances of a quick promotion to article status if you provide references for what is currently unreferenced. -- Hoary (talk) 02:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

thanks @Hoary Kim alice film (talk) 03:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

To upload a non-free image, use the file upload wizard. One way to display the image in the article is to use the infobox film template once your article is moved to main space. {{Infobox film | image = File name.jpg | caption = Release poster}}

Before using the image on the article, you need to place and fill out a fair use rationale template for the image. A bot will remove the image if no non-free fair use rationale is present for the image/ poster. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 10:04, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

thanks @Jeraxmoira very helpful Kim alice film (talk) 22:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Wrong judgement by editors

I tried to update the company financials of a page (Ramco Cements) with the information from 2022- 2023. The source is BSE( Bombay stock exchange- India's first and largest stock exchange-https://www.bseindia.com/). The edits were reverted by User:The_Herald ( Benison). He also threatened with blocking my id. I have seen this behavior earlier as well where the first response of an editor is to threaten with blocking the user. Many of them are not subject matter experts(like in this case) There should be a way to remove their points or curtail their editorial privileges. Deepa vasudevan (talk) 08:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

The problem is your edit also added an unsourced paragraph of promoional material. Theroadislong (talk) 08:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

This is another editor threatening to block a valid edit- User:Theroadislong.

BSE is the largest stock exchange in India. Updating revenue or any other wikipedia standard information on financials is not advertising or promotion. It is just adding valuable information to a stub. Deepa vasudevan (talk) 08:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I have updated the revenue but the article was full of unsourced promotion. I have removed some of it, as it stands it should probably be taken to WP:AFD as a non notable company. Theroadislong (talk) 08:52, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

What you deleted are Brands and Products related to the company and the location of its factories- Information that will help people who look for these ( eg. job seekers, investors, students and professionals doing a company research). You can also check some more company page like HUL's.

Promotion will entail claims about product/ service features or quality. Deepa vasudevan (talk) 09:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Deepa vasudevan: Would you mind telling us what your relationship with Ramco Cements is? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 09:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I suspect that @Deepa vasudevan may well be a “Business Specialist, with more than 20 years of experience in Sales & Marketing” and that they need to swiftly declare their connection to the company on their userpage per WP:PAID, or risk falling foul of our policy of Undeclared Paid Editing (WP:UPE). Nick Moyes (talk) 10:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Why would I do that, Nick? The page currently contains no inputs from me. @Theroadislong has deleted my inputs as well as other existing data :). Deepa vasudevan (talk) 11:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Deepa vasudevan: because paid-editing disclosure is a hard requirement under our T&Cs of use, not an optional extra that you can choose to either make or not. Besides, c 15% of the article contents is still your contributions. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing - Please cross check. None of those edits exist. Drill down the 15% and see if any of those content exist.

Unfortunately, in all the zeal, you editors have vandalized and have converted a page which was a stub into something worse. Congratulations!

In an ideal world, someone should have editorial knowledge to understand and evaluate what content is detrimental and false and what is standard industry information. Deepa vasudevan (talk) 11:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

No you have miss-understood how Wikipedia works, we have zero interest in "standard industry information" we rely on what independent sources report. Theroadislong (talk) 11:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

All of the information you added previously was unsourced, that is why it was removed. Any unsourced information will continue to be removed. Please see WP:CITE and WP:RS for more.

Do not falsely accuse other editors of vandalism, I can see no evidence of any editors removing information maliciously from the page. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Can we ratchet the heat down somewhat? Deepa vasudevan, listen, we always welcome questions here at the Teahouse and are glad you brought your concerns here but the information @Theroadislong is teeling you is true. We do not build Wikipedia on standard industry information. Wikipedia is not where people need to come to find out about products for every business and there is no guarantee a business will have an encyclopedia article because we can only include content that is found in reliable sources. If you are interested I can leave a few tips on your talk page but you will need to read them. Going forward please do not make claims of vandalism until you learn what that means on Wikipedia. When used improperly it can lead to sanctions because it is a claim we take very seriously here. Let me know if you want additional information but as it stands, I agree with the other editors here and this company is probably not notable enough for inclusion. --ARoseWolf 12:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Note- Editor was indeffed by Ohnoitsjamie --ARoseWolf 14:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Today's photo of the day

You mean billion, not million! 2A02:3100:5F99:F101:1DC7:ED5F:A866:6CD4 (talk) 10:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for spotting this; I have corrected the numbers. Lectonar (talk) 10:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikitrivia

What are the three most active WikiProjects today? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 14:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I'd say that WP:WikiProject Military history and WP:WikiProject Video Games are two of the most active, aside from that I'm not sure. I'm sure someone has accurate statistics. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

By one metric, the amount of article/talk page watchers, the three most active are WP:WikiProject Contents, WP:WikiProject Military history, and WP:WikiProject Medicine; you can see more at Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProject watchers. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 18:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Is "born and bred" an acceptable term on an article about a person? And is using acronyms alluding to swears in edit summaries (not directed at any people) not allowed?

So I edited Nandipha Magudumana (see https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nandipha_Magudumana&diff=prev&oldid=1214454189), and removed the "and bred" from that article since it sounded weird (and at the time I didn't know it was a real phrase and I thought it had some dehumanising connotations since as far as I have heard, "bred" is usually used for animals, but now I know what it means). I also used the acronym "WTF" in the edit summary to express surprise at that phrase being used, though I agree I could have used some lighter language.

My edit was subsequently reverted (see https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nandipha_Magudumana&diff=next&oldid=1214454189) and the user who reverted it told me "mind your language please". So, is there any rule or guideline against using swears not directed at people in edit summaries, or is it just a recommendation? Tube·of·Light 15:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

You really shouldn't swear on Wikipedia as a general rule. It's different when you're quoting something for an article, no need for it in edit summaries. As for "Born and bred", it's just a little thing that doesn't belong in an article. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Tube of Light, first of all, I think you were correct to remove "born and bred" from the article. If nothing else, it's an idiom, and we have a policy about that in the Wikipedia Manual of Style, in the section MOS:IDIOM, which discourages the use of indirect expressions in favour of direct and literal language. I can also understand your strong reaction to the content. The expression "born and bred" is applied to people in everyday speech, but if you aren't familiar with it, the idea of a person being "bred" would surely seem extremely bizarre and dehumanizing. In that context I think a stray "WTF" is understandable. However, in direct response to your question about the use of swears which are not part of personal attacks: while Wikipedia is not censored and swear words are not banned by any means here, two core policies come to my mind which I think directly discourage this, namely the section of the civility guideline called WP:ESDONTS and the section of the edit summary guideline called WP:SUMMARYNO. Both of those guidelines stress that edit summaries should be both civil and neutral -- so, yes, even if you encounter something totally bewildering and even offensive in an article, writing "WTF" in the edit summary is discouraged. I will say, though (for whatever it's worth) that I personally think this is not a major infraction in the grand scheme of things. You should be commended for promptly removing what you thought was offensive or degrading material from a biography of a living person, which absolutely should be priority #1. However, even if I think that tone policing misses the main point, that doesn't mean you have free license to say whatever you want in edit summaries. All else equal it would have been better to remove that content with a straightforward and polite reference to the guideline about not using idioms, rather than to remove it with an acronym that brings to mind an expletive. - Astrophobe (talk) 16:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks, @Astrophobe and @CommissarDoggo! Tube·of·Light 01:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

help with speedy deletion or regular deletion

can i tag Farhad Zaidi with {{Db-person}}? they dont seem very notable, and i think i read something in Wikipedia:Notability (people) about being only notable for one thing natelabs (talk) 18:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Natelabs, welcome to the Teahouse! Personally, if you were to tag that page with A7, I would decline it. The standard that articles must meet to rise above A7 speedy deletion is "significance", which is an intentionally lower bar than "notability". While you might be correct about the subject's overall notability, I would say they certainly make a credible claim of some kind of significance, and while obituaries, the only citations in the article, aren't great sources, they do indicate some level of significance even if they're not suitable for establishing notability. The guidance at WP:CSD is not to speedily delete pages or media except in the most obvious cases; if you have to ask yourself whether something is suitable for CSD or not, most likely it's not. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I have a problem with the translation tool

I was attempting to translate an article from Italian, but when I click to translate a paragraph, the system puts the exact Italian test in the English translation I am doing. Can anyone help? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 18:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre The idea of the content translation tool is to make it an easier way for people to get articles over from other Wikipedia's. You still have to do the translation part if you want it to be in the English Wikipedia Kline • talk to me! • contribs 20:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Kline Ah ok, thanks for your answer. On itwiki it was different, it was possible to do a first, automatic translation which was then to be improved and corrected. Anyway thanks again for answering and kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 20:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 14 novembre. Please look at translation, if you haven't already.

It is rarely useful to try and translate an article directly from another version of Wikipedia, because unless it is adequately sourced it will need to be rewritten based on better sources anyway. Articles in other languages aren't necessarily poorly sourced, but considering that 1) many articles in English Wikipedia are poorly sourced and would not be accepted if written today, and 2) most Wikipedias have less strict standards than English Wikipedia, they are often inadequate.

You can of course use a translation (even a machine translation) as a guide, but in most cases, it should be treated as a new article rather than a version of the existing one. ColinFine (talk) 21:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Writer of a TV film credited on screen as the "screenplay by" writer

Should he go in the TV infobox as the screenplay writer, which is what is displayed on-screen?

Or should he go in the TV infobox as the teleplay writer? Danstarr69 (talk) 18:52, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

If he is officially credited as the "screenplay" writer, then we should follow suit. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Danstarr69, see documentation. Documentation says use whatever the credits say. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:52, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

MEDIUM.com

Is Medium not a reliable source? LarryKaz (talk) 19:39, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

No. It's a blogging platform, and user-generated platforms are not considered reliable. 81.187.192.168 (talk) 19:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:MEDIUM. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Using government documents as a source

Hello, before I start, I understand that WP:BLPPRIMARY says that public records should not be used, but I am confused if it applies to this scenario. I am trying to add a source for a birthdate for a politician, Draft:Christopher Del Borrello, and I am wondering if I could use this document as a source for his birth. It does not reveal his exact current address. Antny08 (talk) 20:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#FamilySearch has some guidance. DMacks (talk) 03:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Proposed renaming of Bolshevization to Stalinization

I proposed renaming the above article on 1 March. There were no comments in the talk page so far. On reviewing the page on Stalinism I see that my proposed change would, I believe, align with the definition in that. Do I need to specifically invite people to discuss this on the talk page? Should I just go ahead and see if someone changes it back?? Hewer7 (talk) 20:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

This makes no sense, as according to the article, "Bolshevization" took place during the mid-20s, and Stalin did not even get power until 1928. Although it does mention some things in the year of 1928, the movement was not started by Stalin and had little do with Stalin, so that renaming does not fit. Antny08 (talk) 20:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I would say that Stalinism really starts in 1923 or 24, following Lenin becoming totally incapacitated by a stroke, then dying in 1924. I think the article on Leninism makes this plain. " Lenin [soon before he was totally incapacitated by a stroke on 7 March 1923] warned the Party that Stalin had "unlimited authority concentrated in his hands, and I am not sure whether he will always be capable of using that authority with sufficient caution" and formed a faction with Leon Trotsky to remove Stalin as the General Secretary of the Communist Party.

"To that end followed proposals reducing the administrative powers of party posts to reduce bureaucratic influence upon the policies of the Communist Party. Lenin advised Trotsky to emphasise Stalin's recent bureaucratic alignment in such matters (e.g. undermining the anti-bureaucratic workers' and peasants' Inspection) and argued to depose Stalin as General Secretary. Despite advice to refuse "any rotten compromise", he did not heed Lenin's advice and General Secretary Stalin retained power over the Communist Party and the bureaucracy of the Soviet government."

The article goes on to explain that "socialism in one country" was adopted in 1925. "socialism in one country" is also part of the definition of Stalinism in the article of the same name. The "unlimited authority concentrated in his [Stalin's] hands", and the "Stalin's recent bureaucratic alignment in such matters (e.g. undermining the anti-bureaucratic workers' and peasants' Inspection)" - both mentioned in the above quote - were key parts of the consolidation of the "one-party totalitarian police state" also given as part of the definition of Stalinism. Hewer7 (talk) 21:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

But it is still different. Stalin still didn't have much power until the later years, they wanted to prevent him from getting power. Bolchevism generally refers to communist movement in general, not Stalinism, which could be considered a completely separate variant of Stalinism. Going off of that, Stalin had a very different way of running the Soviet Union then previous people in the USSR like Lenin. I do not have an extreme knowledge of this, as it isn't my specialty, so I'd say open a formal rename request and let the community decide. But, based on the information I do know, it is highly unlikely to succeed with a community consensus. Antny08 (talk) 23:14, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

EDIT - Additional point - the 'Bolshevisation article refers to Antoni Gramsci as boshevising the Italian Communist Party and the article of that name states that it happened in 1924-25. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hewer7 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Account on other wiki platforms

Hello, I have registered an account with the same username on alternative wikis such as "Wikialpha" and "Everybodywiki," but have not yet published anything on those platforms. Before proceeding further, I would like to clarify whether it complies with Wikipedia guidelines to use this username on other platforms and if I may publish on those websites if any of my pages are declined on Wikipedia. Could you please provide clarification on whether this aligns with Wikipedia's guidelines and standards? Thank you! Elizzzzz (talk) 20:52, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

No, this does not go against standards, Wikipedia cannot stop you from making pages on different Wikis. Other Wikis have different notability rules, so it is completely fine to post a page on there rather than here. As for usernames, once again, Wikipedia does not control that. As long as it is not already in use, and does not violate guidelines, you are free to use it. Antny08 (talk) 20:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. So, if my draft is rejected on Wikipedia, am I allowed to publish it on other wiki platforms? Should I delete the declined draft on Wikipedia before posting it elsewhere, or is that not an issue? Additionally, if I use the same account/user name on other wiki platforms as I do on Wikipedia, please confirm whether this complies with Wikipedia guidelines. I appreciate your feedback. Elizzzzz (talk) 22:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Elizzzzz, the many platorms driven by wiki software are all independent entities with their own rules. If your article is accepted, or declined, or rejected on Wikipedia, you may still submit it at Wikialpha, etc., at least as far as Wikipedia is concerned. Maproom (talk) 22:44, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely, I would strongly encourage you to do so. Its a great way to get your article out there without having to worry about all the pesky Wikipedia guidelines. Antny08 (talk) 23:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia's license allows anyone to copy text for any purpose as long as you attribute the creators. If you are the sole contributor to the article you want to copy, you don't need to attribute yourself. ♠ Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Elizzzzz, I notice that you are using "declined" and "rejected" as if they were synonyms. They aren't. "Declined" means "This draft does not yet meet Wikipedia's standards. Please improve it to bring it closer to compliance, and submit it again." On the other hand, "Rejected" means "This draft is contrary to the purpose of Wikopedia and will not be considered further." Please understand that distinction before taking your work to another website with lower standards. Cullen328 (talk) 08:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

VisualEditor

Hello, How do I install Extension:VisualEditor for my Wikipedia account? I read the guide on the extension page, but it's too complex to install. Could you please guide me to an easier installation method? TheGreatPeng (talk) 21:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@TheGreatPeng: You don't need to install the extension at all – it's installed on wikis, not user accounts. You can easily turn it on in your preferences by checking the box under Editor → Enable the visual editor. Tollens (talk) 21:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Help with citing.

Im working on a page for the Flettner-339 and Im not sure what part to cite since its from a book. here is the link to my article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Vincent_Pickus/Flettner_Fl_339&action=edit Vincent Pickus (talk)

That links gives me an error message "No such action". Maproom (talk) 23:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

A functional link is Draft:Flettner Fl 339. I am not sure what you mean by "what part to cite" – did you copy the text of the article directly from the book, or did you use only a segment of a book as a reference, or did you use a book as a reference for only part of the article? Tollens (talk) 23:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I see now that you have directly translated the content from the book into English (page 46, can be accessed at [1]). This is not allowed as it is a copyright violation; I've reverted the page back to the version which was in your own words. You can cite the book for the content which is in your draft already: please see Help:Referencing for beginners for a guide. Tollens (talk) 00:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Rio Grande 223 Editing Advice

Hi, another editor and I have had a disagreement over the editing direction for the Rio Grande 223 article; and a recent user on the talk page suggested we come to the Teahouse to request guidance in the matter. We have had a pretty lengthy debate on the talk page, but to summarize it we have very different ideas on what belongs in the article and have so far failed to reach consensus. Any guidance would be appreciate. Xboxtravis7992 (talk) 23:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I will start off by summarizing a question that I usually ask when two or more editors at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard have an article content dispute. The purpose of any discussion of article content is to improve the encyclopedia. So I will usually ask each editor what specifically they want to change in the article, or what they want to leave the same that another editor wants to change. Identifying exactly what you want to change can be constructive.

Second, having taken one look at the article, which was not a detailed review, it is my initial opinion that some of the material, about the importance of railroads in the economic development of the Western United States, should be in the encyclopedia, but should not be in the article on the Rio Grande 223. I didn't review it in sufficient depth to have a recommendation as to where it should be discussed, or whether it is discussed. So there is an issue of off-topic content.

Third, you might try asking for an additional view at the talk page of an appropriate WikiProject. I haven't yet looked to see which one would be most likely to help. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

That concern over the economic history of the railroad being off topic is my primary concern with the article, particularly since I also have doubts about the historical accuracy of many of the sources used. I also feel like the photographs of similar (but not the same) locomotives is similarly off topic. I would point to my last revision as to how I expressed my ideas on the article more fully. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rio_Grande_223&oldid=1213584305 Xboxtravis7992 (talk) 02:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

@Xboxtravis7992 There have already been two dispute resolution attempts. I doubt a third will achieve anything. Neither of you appear right or wrong from my perspective. Frankly, I feel whichever of you decides to let this go first is the real winner here. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Xboxtravis7992, I disagree with MaxnaCarta's "both sides" assessment and agree with much of what Robert McClenon has to say. As the main author of a comparable article about an individual locomotive, Sierra No. 3, I have opinions on the dispute that are rooted in Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines, and have offered my assessment at Talk: Rio Grande 223. I agree with several other editors who have offered similar assessments there. Cullen328 (talk) 03:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Is it worth changing this citation format?

In the article The King and the Beggar-maid there are several inline citations. I have the information to change the Agatha Christie entry to a <ref> </ref> footnote for a different edition of the book listed. I believe that this would be the favored style. I do not as of yet have enough information to confidently change the other inline citations. Is this piecemeal work encouraged or should it wait until all the references can be updated? Oldsilenus (talk) 00:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

@Oldsilenus: You should use the citation style already in the article. See WP:CITEVAR RudolfRed (talk) 00:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I thank you and will leave this alone. It is interesting that someone else responded that it SHOULD be changed. I believe the page that you cited has priority. Alas, when I first read the article while reading Christie's book, I did not notice that multiple works were cited using the same style. As usual "Haste makes waste." Oldsilenus (talk) 01:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

CONCERN!

If every Tom, Dick and Harry can edit Wikipedia without the information having been checked and clarified, are we even reading actual facts anymore? SillyBoar121011 (talk) 01:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

@SillyBoar121011: There is an excellent response to this criticism at Wikipedia:Replies to common objections § Letting any Internet user edit any article at will is absurd which you may be interested in. The primary issue is that your assumption that the information is in fact not checked is false: the information contributed is checked all the time. There are indeed errors that make it through, but this is true of every reference work. Tollens (talk) 01:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Other than very obscure articles, articles have 'watchers' who are notified when they login about every article they have chosen to watch. And correct. David notMD (talk) 04:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

SillyBoar121011 Wikipedia should not be trusted blindly; no one expects this. Sources should be examined by readers and evaluated when determining what to believe. Wikipedia does not claim to be the truth and does not guarantee accuracy, see Wikipedia:General disclaimer. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean by "anymore"? That has always been the case with Wikipedia (since the start in 2001), though it has gotten stricter over the years, and, for that matter, much of the internet. There is also, nowadays, this thing called "social media." See also Wikipedia:General disclaimer, which is linked on every Wikipedia page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:12, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Editing

I am unable to edit a semi-protected article and I believe I did all the training modules. How can I get to where I am able to edit it? Groundhogluv (talk) 02:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

@Groundhogluv: You just did by making the edit that asked this question, actually! Being autoconfirmed requires 10 edits over at least 4 days, you had made only 9 before asking this question. Tollens (talk) 02:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

So what do I press to be able to edit the page? Groundhogluv (talk) 02:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Just the edit button like any other page should work now. If you can't see it, try refreshing the page while holding down Shift. Tollens (talk) 02:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much you saved me!! Groundhogluv (talk) 02:53, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Problem adjusting file size

I'm trying to upload an SVG image that is 2754 x 1398 pixels and shows up as that size in Adobe Illustrator. However, when I upload it into Wikipedia, it changes the size to 295 x 150 pixels. The image is for Fragile States Index 2023 [(Fragile States Index 2023.svg - Wikimedia Commons]). Putting the image into a web viewer also gives a size of 2754 x 1398 pixels. DarkMatterRealm2 (talk) 02:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

The file-description on the commons page for the file says "2,754 × 1,398 pixels", so the file itself is intact. But one major aspect of SVG files is that they don't really have a definite "size", but instead are infinitely scalable up or down. The Wikipedia software lets you pick what size you want each time you embed it in an article, and does the necessary scaling each time.

Some pages have a default size, and there are some rare cases that cannot be over-ridden. I can definitely say that an image of 2754x1398 should not be displayed as such...much to large. Could you point us to where you tried to embed it, so we can see what you're seeing and help figure out what trick is needed to control the size? DMacks (talk) 03:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I was in the file history section of Wikimedia Commons (not an article) to overwrite a previous version of the file, and I clicked "upload a new version of this file". Then, I uploaded the version that's #3 in the file history, and it turned out to be 512 x 260, not 2754 x 1398. DarkMatterRealm2 (talk) 03:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

@DarkMatterRealm2: When I look at File:Fragile_States_Index_2023.svg it is available in several sizes, from 320x162 up to 2754x1398 RudolfRed (talk) 03:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Censoring my name

Hi. I wish to ensure that my name never gets posted on the wiki page ever again. This pertains to a traumatic event that plagues me until now. I dont wish to be associated with this event every time someone googles my name. I am fine with case being up but not my full name disclosed within. The removal of the name does not change the sequence of events. but for my privacy sake.

I have removed it but someone keeps editing it back. what can I do to ensure this stops happening? 115.66.218.17 (talk) 04:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Your request seems reasonable. I will watch the article to make sure those details stay out until and only if there is an explicit consensus that they need to be included for readers to have a complete understanding of the topic so much so that that's more important than your wishes. It would help if you'd post to the talk page of the article, explaining your reasons for removal, and asking that, as prescribed by WP:BLP, the material not be reinstated without consensus. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I have removed it but someone keeps editing it back. Are you talking about another language Wikipedia? Your removals have not been reinstated. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

missed out a "If" in my earlier post. "I have removed it but if someone keeps editing back, what can I do..."

Thanks for your input, I will monitor the article accordingly. I have stated that I removed for privacy. 115.66.218.17 (talk) 04:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

If something would put someone's life in danger is when admins have in the past pre-emptively protected articles. That isn't really the case here. So, one would have to follow the processes. The first step is a WP:BOLD edit such as the ones you've made. The next step, if someone reinstates it, is to discuss the matter with them. You would be able to make your case per WP:BLP; especially WP:BLPNAME and WP:AVOIDVICTIM may aid your case. WP:BLP policy allows for removal of material without consensus, putting the onus on those who want to include to make the case for why inclusion of contested material is necessary and within policy. But you'd still have to discuss and defend your position. WP:BLPN is the noticeboard for raising concerns regarding living persons, that don't get resolved on the talk page. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

that's interesting that it isn't redacted from the court documents given your age at when the traumatic event happened. Nonetheless, I have also put the article on my watchlist. – robertsky (talk) 05:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Notability

What if a notable person from old time like 60s, 80s era doesn't have online references such as news articles or media reports and have only Offline nwespaper references, then what should i cite on wiki articles? TheSlumPanda (talk) 07:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome TheSlumPanda. Sources do not need to be online; if a source is not online, you need to provide enough information for someone to be able to locate it in order to verify its content. WP:OFFLINE provides some information about this. Please also see Referencing for Beginners. 331dot (talk) 07:53, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

If you can get access, try newspaper archives like ProQuest. archive.org may be of help:[2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:04, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Melvin Hudson

I've been having a bit of an altercation with User:Melvin Hudson in response to this edit, which he reverted as vandalism and then sent me a vandalism warning. When I objected, he surreally claimed that I was motivated by bigotry and transphobia. Maybe some input from third parties would be appropriate. He has been getting a series of warnings for unrelated incidents at the same time. 62.73.69.121 (talk) 09:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Most of his recent contributions seem to be reverting other editor's edits and warning them on their user talk pages. In fact, he tried to revert this message too. CanonNi (talk) 09:50, 20 March 2024 (UTC)