Talk:Story of Ahikar

"Aramean"

What is this nonsense? Ahiqar was an Assyrian sage, and his Assyrian name was Aba-Enlil-dari. He was the counsellor to Sennacherib (Sanherib) and also to Assarhaddon (Esarhaddon). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemliganonym (talk • contribs) 11:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

What is your source?

Ahiqar, Ahuqar or Ahikar was an Aramean sage known in the ancient Near East for his outstanding wisdom. The Story of Ahikar, also known as the Words of Ahikar, has been found in an Aramaic papyrus of 500 B.C. among the ruins of Elephantine.

Under his Aramean name, Ahiqar, he became famous as the author of a series of wisdom texts written in Aramaic. Grayson 1991, in CAH III/2:132. Who’s Who in the Ancient Near East.

The Aramean name of Ahiqar, transcribed Aba-Enlil-dari in Sumerian. The name Aba-Enlil-dari is Sumerian and NOT "Assyrian"! The Akkadian name of Ahiqar is Mannu-kīma-Enlil-ḫātin. Source: Sennacherib at the Gates of Jerusalem Story, History and Historiography, Edited by Isaac Kalimi and Seth Richardson Link: http://www.academia.edu/1826739/_Memories_of_Sennacherib_in_Aramaic_Tradition._Pp._295-323_in_Sennacherib_at_the_Gates_of_Jerusalem_701_B.C.E._Story_History_and_Historiography_ed._Isaac_Kalimi_and_Seth_Richardson._Culture_and_History_of_the_Ancient_Near_East_71._Leiden_Brill_2014

Interestingly, the Aḥiqar story may be open to seeing Sennacherib as more sympathetic to Aḥiqar and Arameans, an ethnic minority in Mesopotamia. It is possible that Sennacherib’s wife Naqia (Naqqiˀā, “pure one”), the mother of Esarhaddon, was of Aramaic origin, since she had a West Semitic name with an Assyrian translation Zaqutu. (Source: Sennacherib at the Gates of Jerusalem Story, History and Historiography, Edited by Isaac Kalimi and Seth Richardson/Book page 306)

It is already present, outside the Bible,in the tale of the wise Ahiqar, an Aramaean who served under the Assyrian kings Sennacherib and Esarhaddon and who triumphed over adversity to become the vizier under the name of Mannu-kima-Enlil-hatin (Aba-NINNU-dari) and to bequeath many wise sayings to posterity. Source: The First Purm by Willam W. Hallo (Page 25) Link: http://www.andrews.edu/sem/inministry/uploads/2014coursesyllabi/the_first_purim-hallo.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.220.223.25 (talk) 22:33, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

To this period also belong the Odes of Solomon, 42 short lyrical poems; the story of the 'Aramean Sage' Ahikar, a narrative set in the time of the Assyrian king Sennacherib (740-681 BC); and the Acts of Judas Thomas, a narrative of the Apostle's mission to India. Source: The Qur'an: Misinterpreted, Mistranslated, and Misread. The Aramaic Language of the Qur'an by Gabriel Sawma (page 104)

http://www.aramaic-dem.org/English/History/The%20proverbs%20of%20the%20Aramean%20Ahikar.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.220.223.25 (talk) 18:30, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not really sure now that there are multiple sources for both ethnicity. I will read the sources later, and consult with others about this. Until then, just leave the article alone for now. -- ♣Jerm♣729 22:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

It is nonsense that he was an Aramean. This false identity is something that has poisoned every single Assyrian article on Wikipedia. Ahikar was nothing else than an Assyrian http://www.piney.com/ApocAhikar.html. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemliganonym (talk • contribs) 22:15, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Ahikar was an Aramean. Wikipedia don´t ask/need our view about this, but only want facts and sources! I still not find here a valid argument or source that Ahikar could be “Assyrian”? Please give us valid arguments and answer the questions. I know for sure that the reason that you ignore the questions is because you don´t know how to answer them (without sources). That could be the reason why you every time start your response with the word “nonsense”?

Ahikar is an Aramean name. Why did he have an Aramean name (if he wasn´t Aramean)? If you still claim that Ahikar was an “Assyrian”, can you tell me what his “Assyrian” name was?

Read this book/source: Al Kanfei Yonah, By Jonas Carl Greenfield, Page 94.

Ahikar was the wise and powerful chancellor of the Assyrian kings, but that doesn´t mean or make him “Assyrian”? Let me give you an example: When the German Heinrich is working for the USA-president, doesn´t make or mean that Heinrich is an American?

Source: http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/oriental/syriac.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArameanSyriac (talk • contribs) 13:10, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Tobit

Ahikar would be Tobit wouldn't he? Talking to his nephew right? Bozo33 (talk) 18:40, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, apparently so, in chapter one of Tobit v21, "Achiacharus my brother Anael’s son." I think there are some online sources that mention it. -- JudeccaXIII (talk) 18:49, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Ahikar is a Aramean name, he was from Aramean origin and spoke Aramaic

In the book of the wisdoms of the Aramean sage Ahiqar written in 1962 in Mardin: "The primacy of the ancient writings in the Aramaic language is undeniable, because before all languages its culture advanced and its wisdom was disseminated." "The story of Ahikar is said to be from the beginning of Aramean culture...and Aramean pupils should read it because of its benefits" (preface of Ahikar sofro w hakimo published in Holland, 1981) --ArameanSyriac (talk) 08:02, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Anything Aramean or related to Arameans gets manipulated by @shmayo anyway 2A02:A420:27B:9B4C:B5B6:C74B:BD6A:1B67 (talk) 14:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)