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{{archivetop|Issue resolved by Bishonen. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem#top|talk]]) 00:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)}}

I note that you have, again, commented about this issue on my talk page, and are continuing the issue. You have escalated an already heated issue by having jumped in and continued the argument regarding Softlavender, and now, are unable to tolerate being talked back to. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Such immaturity that is here is incredible and never ceases to amaze me. I have the liberty of placing the comments where I chose. If you can't handle it, as I've stated before, then butt out and don't get involved in the first place. Because you are unable to let this go and leave me alone, you are also a stalker and harasser of me. Really, just back off. Stop looking for trouble that you, alone, are creating. [[User:Daniellagreen|<b style="color:#7F007F">Daniellagreen</b>]] [[User talk:Daniellagreen|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Daniellagreen|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:43, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
I note that you have, again, commented about this issue on my talk page, and are continuing the issue. You have escalated an already heated issue by having jumped in and continued the argument regarding Softlavender, and now, are unable to tolerate being talked back to. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Such immaturity that is here is incredible and never ceases to amaze me. I have the liberty of placing the comments where I chose. If you can't handle it, as I've stated before, then butt out and don't get involved in the first place. Because you are unable to let this go and leave me alone, you are also a stalker and harasser of me. Really, just back off. Stop looking for trouble that you, alone, are creating. [[User:Daniellagreen|<b style="color:#7F007F">Daniellagreen</b>]] [[User talk:Daniellagreen|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Daniellagreen|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:43, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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Beatriz Preciado Article

Hi User:Ad Orientem RE: Beatriz Preciado article - As an experienced editor, I believe that the notability banner and reliable sources banners should be removed from this page. Preciado has written widely reviewed books published by Zone Books/the MIT Press, and the City University of New York, and has been the subject of major interviews and reviews at the Paris Review, E-Flux Magazine, and the Times Higher Education, three important publications in arts and publishing. She has also spoken at such important venues in the art world including the Tate Modern, the Museo Nacional Centro de Arte Reina Sofia, and the Museu d’Art Contemporani de Barcelona. I would count these as a string of accomplishments recapped by reliable sources, which support her notability as a writer, artist, and philosopher. I ask therefore, that the notices be removed. Thanks OR drohowa (talk) 16:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Koyikkal Palace

Dear Friend I found that you removed the getting here title from Koyikkal Palace page and saying that wikipedia is not a travel guide. OK But out friend google found lot of articles with info like this 1,2,3,4,5,6 also can find more. So Can we delete all these getting here by just saying We are not a travel guide. Also added this info because on google search wikipedia result will come first. Giving a primary getting here info will be helpful to locate the place. --Ranjithsiji (talk) 09:45, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Ranjithsiji, thanks for the note. A couple of quick points... First, related issues on other articles are irrelevant. See WP:OTHERSTUFF. I removed the material in question from this article because it popped up on my NPP queue. I am not on a crusade to fix every related problem on other articles. I also note that in addition to Wikipedia not being a tourist guide, that sort of information is almost certainly promotional which is another no no. Thanks again for the note. If you have any more questions or concerns please feel free to drop me another line. Best regards...-Ad Orientem (talk) 16:38, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Friend, OK NPP queue is fine. promotional is not intented because the Palace is closed for Public and the archeology dept of kerala restricted public entry. I added the info becuase it is an important place those who study kerala history. I am not expecting you to clear all the problems in that article because you have only primary knowledge about that place. Anyway fine thankyou for cleaning the article. Expecting that you will not place a deletion request there. See you later. Regards, --Ranjithsiji (talk) 02:59, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The article may need a little work, but the subject is clearly notable. I don't see any danger of it being deleted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your removals of speedy deletion tags from Blue Express Corporation

Please don’t take offense at my saying this, but you seem to have some strange ideas about speedy deletion:

  • You removed the speedy deletion tag from Blue Express Corporation with the edit summary, “It is generally considered bad form to CSD an article 2 minutes after its creation. This also raises questions asto how one could have performed any preliminary due dilligence per WP:BEFORE…” I would agree that there is a consensus that in most cases articles should not be tagged under WP:A1 or WP:A3 moments after creation. But this consensus applies only to those two criteria; the tag that you removed was for WP:G11. And your reference to BEFORE is strange, for BEFORE applies only to AfD: Notice that BEFORE is a section of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, and notice that one the checks to be made under BEFORE is that the article does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion. (If you had removed the tag on the grounds that the article was not unambiguously promotional, I might agree with you.)
  • You later removed a speedy tag from the same article with the edit summary, “Article is ineligible for CSD. See history.” But there is nothing in the history that makes the article ineligible for speedy deletion. Perhaps you are confusing proposed deletion with speedy deletion. Proposed deletion tags may not be replaced, but there is no such rule for speedy deletion. Naturally prudence dictates that before replacing a speedy tag one should consider any reason given for the previous removal, but in this case the second nomination is for a totally different criterion (WP:A7).

I don’t want to get into an edit war with you over this; so I have taken the article directly to AfD. —teb728 t c 10:11, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. I will take a look at it again when I get a few minutes. Perhaps I misread the original tag. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:03, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Update I replied in detail on the AfD, but the executive summary is I muffed it. Sorry about that... -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:41, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Your second barnstar

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
for your two proposals to settle the great "allision" controversy of 2014 I hereby award you your second Barnstar. Keep up the good work. Now you can't say you have just one anymore... Cheers! Cuprum17 (talk) 00:10, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Thanks. I wonder if I can put this on a job application for the State Dept? -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:36, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! Go for it... Cuprum17 (talk) 01:45, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have posted my answer on why this article should not be deleted on the talk page of the article. Please reply there and stop the process of deletion till we arrive at a conclusion. Thanks! Lokesh 2000 (talk) 06:10, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Ooops... Thanks for the heads up! -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:42, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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section in Dorothy Kilgallen article about Sam Sheppard case

When I made a change to your Dorothy Kilgallen edit after you submitted it several minutes ago, I added only a few things: a detail about the newspaper that dropped her syndicated column because of her controversial opinion and details about the Overseas Press Club in New York where she revealed publicly that the judge had been biased throughout most of the Sheppard trial. I added a clarification that Kilgallen said this publicly at an event that was held at the Overseas Press Club in New York, and she did so nine years and some months after Sheppard was convicted of murdering his wife.

Before I added these details, readers could have become confused about why the murder conviction of an Ohio doctor in 1954 could have an echo at the Overseas Press Club a long time after that conviction. Why "overseas?" Also, readers could be confused about the time frame: "nine years and some months later" means "nine years and some months" after ... what exactly? It was after the guilty verdict. Sheppard served nine-and-a-half years until his new lawyer F. Lee Bailey released him on a writ of habeas corpus with much assistance from Kilgallen.

As for the Cleveland location of the newspaper that dropped her column in late 1954, that is important because #1 the Cleveland metropolitan area was the part of the United States where the Sheppard controversy was hottest #2 we have no evidence that any other newspaper dropped her column specifically because of her opinion of Sheppard, therefore saying "at least one newspaper dropped ..." is misleading.

I have many more comments about the Kilgallen article on the Talk page for it. But I feel you deserve an explanation about the minor changes I made to your edit, so I'm typing this on your Talk page. Thanks for your attention.KathrynFauble (talk) 00:53, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look at it when you posted it. It seems reasonable. Please confine discussion of the article to its talk page though. Coherent discussions become very difficult when they are spread over multiple pages. Thanks... -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:41, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I want to add however that we are not going to go back and start re-adding all of this bloat. The article is not about a murder trial. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Remember this article? Still not finding the sources to show his own notability yet but, I did discover why the press of turn of the century Hawaii seemed a bit obsessed with him. We knew his brother was John Mahiʻai Kāneakua but we didn't really know why John was considered an Aliʻi and really still do not have that answer but, the two brothers are the sons of Kapuailohiawahine Kanuha Miller. Turns out she was famous in her time as a composer and dancer. Her daughter, and the sister of Samuel and John Miller, is Isabella Miller. Her and her mother both were well known Hawaiian musicians. Isabella is the mother of Helen Desha Beamer and the three figures are the matriarchs of the most famous musical family in Hawaiian history (or so sources claim). Winona Beamer is Helen's granddaughter, Mahi Beamer is her grandson and Keola Beamer and Kapono Beamer are Winona's sons.

Slowly but surely I am finding reliable sources and the Beamer articles already existed and I stumbled on them when I found a source mentioning their names.--Mark Miller (talk) 20:12, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that you have enough to establish notability and are planning to recreate the article, I suggest sending it to AfC in order to get some extra eyes on it. That can help prevent any future problems. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No plans to recreate the article, but I am beginning to think that there may be enough to create an over encompassing family article. Not yet however. Still needs much research, but things are much clearer on Samuel, just no further details. It has been suggested that there may be further information in the non English Hawaiian Newspapers and that Samuel may have been an artist but, as yet, no further info on him.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:57, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Shlomo Abramovich - suggested for deletion

Hi Ad, Thanks for your comments regarding this article. As for the sources - this is a translation of the article from the Hebrew Wikipedia. The sources there are in Hebrew, and I couldn't find any matching English references. Is it possible to add Hebrew sources or at least provide more time before removing this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egoz23 (talkcontribs) 09:38, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Egoz23 there is no requirement that sources be in English, only that they be reliable. That said, this is the English language Wikipedia so if there are any English sources out there, adding a few would be a good idea. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:29, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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thanks for the reinforcement; if enough people tell her, it may eventually sink in, and I don't want her to get the mistaken impression that I'm personally after her. DGG ( talk ) 08:05, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@DGG No problem. Unfortunately based on past behavior and recent responses on her talk page I am not sanguine that she will accept the proffered advice. I think it's only a matter of time before this ends up at ANI. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:12, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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FYI

Ping Cullen328 and Location. In case you missed it Lee Israel passed away. I didn't want to post this on the Kilgallen talk page for obvious reasons. But I did find it interesting that Israel does not have her own article. I would think she is certainly notable.

Universal Medicine

Hello and thank you for your involvement with the Universal Medicine article. It seems now cooler heads are prevailing. I think all the editing has led to a piece that feels disjointed and could do with some reorganization. I have done so as a practice in my Sandbox. What's the correct WP etiquette for having people view this is see if we can get some consensus on it? I haven't removed anything (I hope!) just categorized some of the sections and moved sentences concerning common themes closer together. 79616gr (talk) 01:12, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your work on the article and your deference to WP guidelines. I suggest you post a note on the article talk page with a link to your sandbox. Or you can migrate it to a WP:SUBPAGE and post the link. Thanks again... -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ad Orientem, I'll put a link on the talk page 79616gr (talk) 02:20, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I'm looking for help editing the Marx article. Do you know anyone who can assist or negotiate? A few Marxists seem intent on deleting any criticism of Marx. I am hoping for a more balanced article.Jimjilin (talk) 19:37, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jimjilin Hi and thanks for dropping by. After looking at the material you attempted to add, the sources, and the discussion on the talk page, I find myself more or less in agreement with the other editors. The sources don't meet the standards in WP:RS. And your edits appear to be at least somewhat agenda oriented. On a side note I find that when I have a group of highly experienced editors all telling me that I am wrong about something, they are almost always right. I don't object to anyone asking for a second opinion. That's doing things the right way. But I do think we should be careful about casting aspersions on the motives of other editors. Please remember to assume good faith. This is a high quality and high traffic article. It is going to have a lot of experienced editors watching it. and most are probably not Communists. They are just trying to protect the integrity of the article. Beyond which I will simply echo the advice already given. Stick to material from high quality scholarly sources. If you are still not comfortable with the direction of the discussion you can always post a Request for Comment. Thank you for your contributions. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:59, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. As a courtesy I am copying the other concerned editors. However, I think it would be best if further discussion remained on the article's talk page for the sake of coherence. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:59, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

CC: AndyTheGrump RolandR The Four Deuces Dustin V. S.

Other political/economic thinkers are criticized in their respective articles, but not Marx. Can we add any sort of criticism of Marx from Bakunin or Bertrand Russell or Richard Pipes or Piketty or anyone??Jimjilin (talk) 21:45, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but please, let's keep the substantive discussion of the article on its talk page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:55, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Reply to you re Softlavender's Stalking of me

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Since you have made yourself involved in this, following is my reply to you: I have experienced stalking by Softlavender for the past 6 months. I'm sick of such freakish behavior. I have reached out to Softlavender several times, requesting that said behavior cease, though he/she continues to track and stalk me and my edits. I've both observed and experienced the manner in which things are handled and/or not handled on administrators' pages, and for me, it leaves much to be desired. On one occasion in the past regarding another editor, I made 3 reports and none of them were taken seriously. Why should I believe this will be taken seriously, and then of course, there is the issue of it coming back on me and me getting blamed as the victim. As I stated above, I know how the world works. Let the record be known, then, that this is now my third attempt at requesting that Softlavender stop harassing and stalking me. In attempts to reach a reasonable conclusion, Softlavender has repeatedly denied such behavior, refuses to take responsibility for it, and when confronted about it, deletes all discussion from their user page and refuses to acknowledge such behavior and cease it. Further discussion is far from pointless when freaks are allowed to stalk and harass others for months at a time and get away with it. To make such an offensive comment that such further discussion is pointless is offensive and far overlooks the seriousness of this issue. I have been patient and professional about this long enough. So, enough is enough! Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 01:00, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As I have already explained, if you believe you are being stalked or hounded you can take it to ANI where the community will examine your grievances. From my perspective you have been repeatedly advised by a large number of highly experienced editors concerning certain problematic editing on your part, and counselled to avoid a specific subject in particular. Your response as far as I am able to discern, has been to stamp your foot while declaring that you are right, everyone else is wrong, and that we are just picking on you. This has gone on long enough. As I stated in the discussion on your talk page and elsewhere I have no real interest in continuing pointless debates. You will either hear the message, or you won't. If you believe you are being hounded, take it to ANI. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:25, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. To whom did you make your three reports? Was it at ANI? -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:26, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Why do you get involved in order to escalate already choppy waters? I have made the effort to communicate my concerns with Softlavender regarding this issue. And no, it began before what you perceive as "problematic editing." You, as well as Softlavender, are diverting away from the real issue. I am not going to take this to ANI - as I've already stated - that when I did so in the past regarding another editor, I made 3 reports and none of them were taken seriously at all. Those administrators perused my reports promptly dismissed them, likely without reading them at all. How's that for taking things seriously? It appears that things need to reach the level that Carrie Archdale did with me in July in order for any appropriate action to occur. You and I are definitely butting heads here, and you also refuse to see my point of view. This is not a matter of stomping my foot. It is a matter of feeling concerned and fearful of an editor who has continually stalked me and my edits for the past 6 months. As an administrator, you ought to be open to all points of view, rather than criticizing me regarding your own incorrect perceptions about this issue. The cyber bullying and stalking is what has gone on long enough here. Don't get involved if you can't take this issue seriously and, instead, make offensive comments like stating it is pointless. That is definitely not helpful as someone who has already experienced freak stalking and cyber bullying here. When is that going to stop? Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 01:53, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Two points, first I am not an admin (not sure where you got the idea that I am) and secondly this discussion needs to take place in one location. Please keep it on your talk page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:59, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are someone who obviously just likes to argue and fuel the fire, and just another sexist guy who doesn't understand, respect, or appreciate women's issues and concerns in these types of matters. Again, if you are unable to be supportive and unbiased, butt out. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 19:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to overlook for now your gross abuse of AGF. However I do think that if we have reached the point where your contributions to the discussion have been reduced to the argumentum ad hominem then this conversation has likely reached the end of its productive course. I would prefer that you did not communicate with me further, but if you absolutely must, please confine the discussion to YOUR talk page where this conversation is based. This is the third time I have made this request.
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Stop Harassing Me!

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I note that you have, again, commented about this issue on my talk page, and are continuing the issue. You have escalated an already heated issue by having jumped in and continued the argument regarding Softlavender, and now, are unable to tolerate being talked back to. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Such immaturity that is here is incredible and never ceases to amaze me. I have the liberty of placing the comments where I chose. If you can't handle it, as I've stated before, then butt out and don't get involved in the first place. Because you are unable to let this go and leave me alone, you are also a stalker and harasser of me. Really, just back off. Stop looking for trouble that you, alone, are creating. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 17:43, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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January 2015

Ad Orientem, please don't post on Daniellagreen's page again. I have also asked her not to post here again. Bishonen | talk 19:41, 23 January 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Bishonen, Thanks for the intervention. I just opened a discussion at ANI. I will defer to whatever conclusion is reached by the community and will happily refrain from further communication with Daniellagreen. Thanks again... -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:46, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, it would help a lot, as I said at ANI, if you were to provide links to and/or a clear description of the specific nature of the "incidents" you are reporting. John Carter (talk) 19:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks John. I think the problem is resolved for now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:02, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up

I just noticed the ANI. Just to set the record straight, Daniellagreen has only ever filed one report about a fellow editor, and that was an ANI about Montanabw in June 2014, which was ruled a content dispute. The discussion is here (includes a subheading as well): [1]. She then opened a misplaced thread on DRN Talk, but did not file a DRN request on the DRN board itself: [2]. Not sure why she is saying she made 3 reports. Softlavender (talk) 05:35, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It's not a major issue to my mind. I think Bishonen handled the situation very well and at this point it's best to just take a deep breath and move on. Seriously, there are FAR more important things to deal with in life than this nonsense. If there are any more problems I will refer it to an admin. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:12, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]