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University of Kansas "Ancient Central America" course assignment

This is just a heads-up to let you know that I'm once again having students create Wikipedia entries for a course this semester. I've posted the information for them here:

User_talk:Hoopes#Wikipedia_Assignments_for_.22Topics_in_Archaeology:_Ancient_Central_America.22_at_KU_.28Spring_2016.29

Dwapara Yuga / Yoekteshwar

Hi Doug, I'm Robert ( RobCZ ) and I think the last correction must have been five years ago on the particular year we are in according to this interpretation of Yoekteshwar. Swami Yoekteshwar wrote his Holy Science in 194 Dwapara ( 1894 ), thus currently we are in 316 Dwapara. Kind regards Robert, Amsterdam, Holland

Checkuser

Could you run a quick checkuser for me, please? I have a probable DUCK sock of an indef blocked user and I need to confirm. The sock is Sjick14, the indef-blocked user is CaptainHog. SPI at the far bottom will have the most current IP and account information, of course. Also, could you check for any sleepers while you are at it? Diannaa usually handles these, but she is offline at the moment. Much appreciated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:06 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)

I filed an SPI related to the above request. Just letting you know. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 15:25 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:09 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)

"New Account" and archaeologist John Marshall

Hi Doug. This "new account", created a few days ago,[1] seems to be implying WP:OR and non-WP:RS synthesizes en masse, cross-article, and is using the findings of John Marshall, a British Archaeologist of some 100 years ago as the main "source" for these claims, e.g. [2][3][4]. I reverted some of his edits already, but I can't keep up with it I'm afraid. He's mass uploading images with OR captions as well on Wikimedia.[5]. Something should be done about this I believe. As you're often involved with such matters, I thought that this might interest you. Bests - LouisAragon (talk)

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Europaische Stammtafeln

Concerning this source, it appear to have been written by;

Detlev Schwennicke (* 31 January 1930 in Guben ; † 24. December 2012 in Berlin ) was a Protestant minister and editor of European pedigrees.
Schwennicke spent his childhood and youth in Brandenburg and Prussia . His theological studies he graduated in Mainz , Göttingen and Bonn. In 1958 he arrived at the Palatine Lutheran Church , where for 12 years held a pastorate in Green City. In 1970 he joined the Rhenish Church and was pastor in Dusseldorf and Wetzlar , he in 1992 retired . In 1978 Schwennicke from the estate of Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven the Volume V of the "European family trees. The "History of the European States". Afterwards, the work of him was placed as a new third person. It was now called "European Tribals. History of the European states. Founded by Wilhelm Karl Prinz at Isenburg, continued by Frank Baron Freytag of Loringhoven. New episode. Edited by Detlev Schwennicke. "The series was under his aegis published from 1980 to 2011, Volume XXIX appeared posthumously , 2013.

Since 2008 he lived with his wife in Berlin. The couple had four children and eight grandchildren. Buried it is on the cemetery at Grunewald.

I believe this would disqualify Europaische Stammtafeln as a reliable source for Wikipedia. Your thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:40, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: I really don't know for sure. Its article is pretty poor. Hm, I just removed the claim in the lead, I wonder if PBS will respond. Doug Weller talk 14:00, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Archaeology and the Book of Mormon

A couple of thoughts, in the hope they might help:

I was going to respond to the dispute on the article talk page, but thought it would be unnecessary escalation. TaivoLinguist then responded [6]. I'm glad that didn't set off another round of escalating comments.

What I was going to write was that Dig deeper has basically decided to refuse to work cooperatively with others until an unrelated issue is resolved. Pointing that out could have provoked a response, so I decided against commenting.

After all these years, I'm still struggling to find a way to both de-escalate disputes like this while focusing editors back to cooperative, policy-focused, consensus-building. Some intervening editors just focus on the people involved, treating disputes as a clash of egos, putting the policy and content concerns aside. While I do believe that the personal conflict needs to be de-escalated before the content disputes can be addressed, the approach tends toward compromising policies and article content. Locking articles works, but it's seen as extreme. Asking editors to take breaks is so infrequent that the suggestion escalates most any conflict. I wish there were better, widely accepted options.

Thanks you for the very difficult work you do for Wikipedia! --Ronz (talk) 16:47, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

@Ronz: And thanks for your helpful comments. I've been busy and lost track of your post. Some very good points. It seems to have died down and it's probably a good thing that you didn't comment. Doug Weller talk 13:51, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #234

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Fourth birthday: thank you!

Map of the birthday parties

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• d:Template:User Wikidata birthday 2016 (Pigsonthewing)
• A new version of the map showing all the Wikidata items with geolocalisation (Addshore)
• Wikidata's 4th birthday logo (Incabell)
• A new release of the Wikipedia and Wikidata Tools for Google Spreadsheets add-on has made working with Wikidata a lot easier for Google Sheets users. (Tomayac)
• A guide to SPARQL and the Wikidata Query Service (TweetsFactsAndQueries)
• Four new types of charts for the Query Service: line chart, bar chart, scatter chart and area chart! Read more and try examples in the documentation (Jonas)
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• Search field added in Scholia, a tool to create scholarship profiles (fnielsen)
• Technical documentation about Wikibase for PHP and JS scripts (Ladsgroup and Jonas)
• new feature for the graph view in the Query Service: it can now browse the properties of items. see in the video (Jonas)
• graph builder tool for the query service to create and export graphs (demo video) (Jonas, [[d:user:Smalyshev (WMF)|Smalyshev)
• d:Module:PropertyPath and d:Template:Show Path Items (TomT0m)
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• Discussions
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Question/favour

Hi Doug,

I was wondering if you could revoke Maslowsneeds' talk page access. They're mounting to incivility and personal attacks depending on how a user looks at it. Claiming that you're enjoying the block is a personal attack to me. That's just me. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 13:22, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't agree. Blocked users are irritable, and not likely to be receptive to advice. I haven't seen Maslowsneeds write on his page other than in response. Please don't post on the page and the problem goes away. Bishonen | talk 16:11, 8 November 2016 (UTC).

I'll take criticism for my suggestion. While I do understand your point of view, I don't agree that claiming everyone is harassing him, bullying him, enjoying the block, and so on will actually help him (I assume it's a he, correct me if I am wrong) in any case. It's uncivil and can be considered as a personal attack depending how a user perceives it. The best for him right now would he ignore it. While I understand that he doesn't criticism well based on what I've seen, responding that way is not helpful for people either. That's how I view it. I certainly don't agree with a talk page access removal and then every user bombarding him with the same statements. I don't know. Whatever is the best option right now is fine by me. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 16:42, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, User:Callmemirela and User:Bishonen. Let him vent. Maybe I shouldn't have responded there either, but he really needs to read what people are saying, it's meant to be helpful guidance. And he's not helping himself. Doug Weller talk 17:06, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

withdrawel

Hi Doug,

I decided to withdraw my request at ARCA as you suggested, I do not know the withdrawal pocess so I did my best by editing the request info at ARCA. KINGOFTO (talk) 16:21, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

@KINGOFTO: That's fine, it will be removed shortly by a clerk. And thanks for taking my advice. Doug Weller talk 17:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Demagogue

You have already been involved in issues about this page, so I thought I'd seek your guidance about this edit. It was approved as a pending change, but I fear that, despite all of the references, it still constitutes a WP:BLP violation. It also seems to me to be the sort of synthesis or perhaps original research that we try to avoid. As you can see, I'm using weaselly words like "I fear that" and "seems". That's because I'm not certain enough to reverse the approval of another editor with the PC reviewer right. Would you be willing to give this a bit of your attention? Thanks. David in DC (talk) 20:25, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

@David in DC: I don't want to get directly involved in Trump stuff. But I've given this editor a sanctions alert. I have to leave it to you want to do, sorry. BLPN. ask the editor who approved it (but read their talk page first, I'm not happy and have mentioned this to DMacks), or revert. You're certainly free to do that if you think it's a BLP violation. Doug Weller talk

I understand your reluctance and appreciate your guidance. After reviewing the talk page of the reviewer who originally approved this edit and also reading the thread on this article's talk page, I decided to delete the graf with an edit summary pointing to BLP, NOR, SYNTH and to the outstanding talk page thread, where no cobnsensus has been achieved.
I got a feeling that won't stop the reinsertions tho. :) David in DC (talk) 20:55, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm not interested in delving deeply into this specific topic area, but I do agree that this PC reviewer has a troubling history with his PC actions based on WP:V and article-history/BRD/etc standards. I therefore support removal of this specific content as potentially BLP-troubling...need consensus to include, not just consensus to remove. My most recent warning to that reviewer, my second such warning and at least the third one posted within 10 days, was after this specific instance of approval, so I'm ambivalent about taking any further action at this point. @Doug Weller:, could you link to the DS alert you mentioned? @Ks0stm: you seem to have chaperoned this editor a bit, including giving him the reviewer flag. Any thoughts? DMacks (talk) 05:17, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

@DMacks: The alert was for the editor who added the material, Shoemacher. As the account!s only other edit was 6 years ago, possibly a sock. Doug Weller talk 06:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha. Thought this was still in reference to the PC-reviewer. DMacks (talk) 06:21, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

@DMacks: Hmmm...I gave them the pending change reviewer right mostly because I trusted them with rollback (they are predominantly a vandal-fighter, after all), and pending change reviewer tends to have looser granting standards than rollback. They seem to be very responsive to constructive criticism on their talk page, so I would recommend bringing it up with them as a learning opportunity. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 08:02, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

An admin-protected Africa article

@DW: I have been working through some Africa-related articles, particularly those related to regional religions and ethnic groups in Africa. I would like to work on Fang people, Beti people and Yaunde people. These have a complex history, but each is notable because they form the largest ethnic groups in Gabon, Equitorial Guinea and Cameroon. The location and presumptions in the Edgar Rice Burroughs story of Tarzan was partly based on these peoples. These ethnic groups are notable for additional reasons. There are WP:RS to have non-stub dedicated articles on each ethnic group (1, 2, 3, etc).

Currently all three redirect to Beti-Pahuin peoples, which deserves to be an article, but as an overview. The Fang people is restricted to admin edit only. Should its protection be eliminated so anyone can edit, but page protected to renaming /moving /redirects? Or, if the 'Fang people' title has in past or may in future lead to edit warring by 'vampires' fans, should the editing privileges be downgraded a notch to semi-protection instead of current admin-only-protection? I am ok with either. Can you reset the permissions? Or is there an appropriate procedure to follow? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

@Ms Sarah Welch: I've set it to semi-protection, it's been like that since 2009, we'll see what happens. Did you read the discussion at Talk:Serer People. I think all the Serer-related articles were created or heavily changed by someone certain the old Serer religion was literally true and edited from that viewpoint. Doug Weller talk 13:23, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes indeed, there has been a lot of heat and puzzling stuff typed out on the Serer talk page by some. Sorry you had to go through that. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:35, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins

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Hernando de Soto and Potano

Would you mind taking a look at recent edits to these two articles by User:Veritas20132014 and User:BerkeleyArchaeology? I'm not sure which is correct. The cite added by BerkeleyArchaeology seems reputable to me at first glance, and Veritas20132014 is deleting and refactoring/editing talk page comments by the other guy. I don't eewant the drama of getting involved in a spat between what looks like are two relatively new/unexperienced users. Heiro 02:24, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

@Hieronymous Rowe: That "international journal of archaeology" is a scam.[7], [8] Doug Weller talk 07:20, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Good to know, thanks. ;-) Heiro 07:30, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Unsourced moves and my mistakes

Hi. I really need your help. One user moved several pages just based on his personal analysis (unsourced and wrong moves). I manually moved those pages and revision history disappeared. Would you please fix them?

• Ghurid dynsty (original, misspelled error by me after I try to fix it and undoing recent moves) -> Ghurid dynasty (fixed and correct name, but lacks revision history)
• Muhammad of Gaur (wrong revision, but it has revision history) -> Muhammad of Ghor (fixed version, but lacks revision history) --Wario-Man (talk) 14:34, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

What fun. Fixed them, I hope, User:Wario-Man. but I'm puzzled about the intro using 'Ghori' first, then Ghor. Doug Weller talk 15:14, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Some issues:

• How do I restore original names of articles when wrong moves happen? Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not work. An error message appears and say target name exists (original name of article).
• I just restored original name of those articles (based on cited sources and accepted revisions). Because this user changed names of several article and their content. Unsourced and weird names which don't match with sources. Plus, seems that user is not interested to discuss his/her edits. 0 edits on article talk pages (except his moves) and his/her own talk page. His/Her talk pages is full of warnings/notifications and it seems that he/she does not read them. --Wario-Man (talk) 15:57, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: would you mind asking about moves at Wikipedia:Help desk? I'm busy at the moment and I think you'll get a faster and maybe better answer there. I'll look at the editor though. Doug Weller talk 16:34, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Cheers! --Wario-Man (talk) 16:38, 13 November 2016 (UTC)