Talk:Accelerated experiential dynamic psychotherapy

AfC comment

Please remove ALL copyrighted content before submitting for review. Theroadislong (talk) 14:13, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Project talk page

I have flagged this up at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Psychology#Request_for_comments in the hope of getting expert advice --Robert EA Harvey (talk) 09:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --Carrieruggieri (talk) 11:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Dear Jydog, I am the creator of this article. It has been vetted by several reviewers since February. I have addressed numerous critiques from various editors. However, no reviewer has identified this article as spam. Ringbang, rejected the April 2016 version due to it appearing to be a "fringe theory." I re-wrote the article emphasizing 3rd party research sources.The article is grounded in 3rd party research sources and secondary sources. Only 8 or 10 of the 62 references are primary sources. The bibliography I added is largely primary sources. Could that be a problem? I could delete the bibliography section if that gives the appearance of advertisement. The goal of the article is to explain what AEDP is, the context of its development, and the neuroscience and psychological theory underlying its claims in how it helps. AEDP is considered a psychotherapy worthy of inclusion in the American Psychological Association's psychotherapy training DVD series.

I agree wth JoeRay that the content is too dense for the average reader, and that the lead paragraph is too long. I will be working on those issues. Carrieruggieri (talk) 11:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because while this draft is long and promotional, it really should either be deleted via AFD or improved. This article may need to be blown up and started over, but WP:G11 isn't usually the mechanism for that. --Robert McClenon (talk) 14:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Removed

Based on the two objections above (one from an uninvolved editor), I've removed the CSD template. This article has already been through AfC, and although the prose needs work, is not "unambiguous promotion" per WP:CSD#G11. If the nominator still wishes to discuss deletion, they should probably do so at AfD. Joe Roe (talk) 20:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Not a textbook

This article reads like it was copied out of a textbook and most of the content that I've read so far doesn't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia article. —PermStrump(talk) 23:12, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

See a related discussion at the Teahouse. It also strikes me that no criticism of the therapy is discussed in the article. Is this because there are no sources that are critical of it, or have they been ignored? Cordless Larry (talk) 05:11, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I have been waiting for someone from the psychology portal to chime in. But in the meantime, I wonder if it would be possible to remove the issue in the box that states that the article reads like a personal opinion. I have combed through and I cannot find a single opinion, or personal feeling. The entire article is an effort to distill a vast amount of information and psychology background in order to understand the information. Not a bit of is sourced from my brain. I am reporting on my understanding of what scholars, much smarter than me, have researched and practiced. It is also not possible for an article to be both too "technical," "read like a textbook," and also appear to reflect personal feelings and opinions.

As to the issue of a lack of critique: There are not any written critiques that I could find. This psychotherapy model is so integrated in contemporary neuroscience and psychotherapy research, as well as traditional psychological theory, that I think critiques will be far off in the next wave of paradigm change. There are technical critiques, but these are much too technical and would require way too much background education to understand: such as, AEDP does not formally address a central theme originating in psychoanalytic psychotherapy that has influenced just about all psychotherapies, and that is the issue of "transference."

I have taken the critique that the article is too technical to heart, and I am happy to work on that. However, I have to say that if I try to read a topic on wikipedia in the area of physics or mathematics, I don't understand these writings. I have zero background or frame of reference from which to understand. At the same time, and for that reason, I have no reason to look up such a topic. And, I wouldn't expect to understand.

From my understanding of the criteria for a wikipedia article (neutral point of view, notability, reliable published sources), the article does meet these criteria. However, I think someone from the psychology portal could be very helpful in making critiques and suggesting or making edits. Carrieruggieri (talk) 13:19, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Reagrding the essay tag, sentences such as "A comparison of AEDP to its more contemporary influences, such as psychoanalysis, intensive short-term dynamic psychotherapy, and experiential-affect focused therapies, is offered to provide context for key constructs and methods" sound like they belong in an essay to me. "Is offered" sounds like the writer of the article is offering this comparison, which is what an essay would do, whereas an encyclopedia article should just summarise what the sources say about the subject. I agree about the need for some expert input - you may well be right about the lack of critical sources, but it would be good to get a second opinion. I also take your point about the technical wording. Articles about even relatively simply topics such as trains can be very difficult to read. I do think we can strive for better, though. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:15, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

See MOS:SELFREF for some guidance. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Helpful feedback Cordless Larry, I think I understand. At least I can make the correction you recommended. link is helpful, thank you Roger. So writing "is offered" is a self-reference? I think I get it. Totally new concept to me. Carrieruggieri (talk) 15:09, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

If the comparison came from a source, Carrieruggieri, you could write "Scholar X offers a comparison of AEDP to its more contemporary influences...", but to introduce your own comparisons probably counts as original research, which should be avoided. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Note that removing the "is offered" alone doesn't fix the problem. The comparison is still yours/the article's, rather than being based on a source (unless I am mistaken). Cordless Larry (talk) 15:44, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Re:Carrieruggieri's comment: "I have been waiting for someone from the psychology portal to chime in." I think I added this to my watchlist after seeing it mentioned at WT:PSYCH. In any case, I'm a member of that project and that is my line of work. My initial reaction is that this article relies too much on primary sources that really should only be used to supplement the material available in secondary sources instead of the basis for the majority of the article. I believe the over-reliance on primary sources, especially those written by AEDP's developers, is a big part of the essay-like feel that Cordless Larry is talking about and also the textbook feel that I was talking about. —PermStrump(talk) 21:01, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Dear Permstrump, the article relies on secondary and 3rd party sources. Only 8 or 10 of the 55 references are primary sources. I know it's a chore, but if you were to track the references, you would see that the information is clearly secondary and 3rd party sources. My writing and presentation was to figure out how to present the material from the point of view of second and third party sources. Maybe that is why it seems textbookish?

Could you direct me to an article on psychotherapy in wikipedia that represents how a wikipedia article should be written? That would help a great deal. I am not understanding the the textbook feel vs. encyclopedic.

Are we in agreement that the article meets wikipedia criteria for being notable, verifiable with reliable sources and from a neutral point of view? If the problem is style, a frame of reference would help me with making needed changes. Thank-you. Carrieruggieri (talk) 21:59, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

"Could you direct me to an article on psychotherapy in wikipedia that represents how a wikipedia article should be written?" I will start by saying a lot of psychology-related articles have a lot of issues, so that is a harder question to answer than it should be. Cognitive behavioral therapy and interpersonal psychotherapy are probably in the best shape, though they both have sections with issues. I definitely appreciate the brevity of the IPT article relative to CBT, though there has been the most research on CBT by far, so clearly there's going to be more to say about it, but it is quite long. They've both been on my to-do list for a while and periodically I've tried to tweak the wording to be more neutral and improve the sourcing, but I haven't made it all the way through either article yet. This is a previous version of the IPT article that I thought relied btoo heavily on primary sources, so that version, specifically the history section, might be a good example of things to avoid (IMO).

It seems like AEDP has enough coverage in secondary sources for an article (see update underlined below), but maybe not for the current level of detail because right now a lot of space is dedicated to explaining the intricacies of the modality, which are better left to a manual or textbook. I think the CBT and IPT articles give more of an overview of the main components of the treatment, but the majority of information is about what research says about them as opposed to instructions on how to perform them.

I think this might be a good third-party source for summarizing the main components of AEDP. As primary research, it doesn't (*corrected*) satisfy WP:MEDRS as far as claims about AEDP's effectiveness, but the couple of paragraphs in the introduction that explain the core concepts could either be a good model or source for describing the treatment without the textbook details or essay-like language. LMK if you can't access the full text and I can paste the parts I'm talking about here. —PermStrump(talk) 23:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Got it! And, thank you for that reference, I can't believe I missed that one! I would love what you can send, I can't access the full text. Thank you. Carrieruggieri (talk) 00:25, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Dear PermStrump, on the issue of the focus of modality in the article, I want to try to pitch to you the reasoning behind this emphasis. The modality mirrors the theory, and the modality is what the research is concerned with: AEDP modality was developed out of contemporary psychotherapy research and neuroscience research on factors that promote positive change in psychotherapy. The examples of therapist's statements are not there for the purposes of an "how to," but are there to help the reader understand a concept. I think if one is only curious about the main components of the treatment, then that is satisfied, and if if one wants to understand the 'how', that too is satisfied. This is an important point because as it is stated in the article, Fosha's development of the theory is based upon her belief that a "model of therapy must be based on theory of what brings about positive change in psychotherapy." When a client, a colleague, or any interested person asks me what AEDP is, the next question is "but how does it work?" Trying to answer that question is what led me to want to write this article for wikipedia. I'm trying to get my hands on the article you recommended so that I can model what you suggested as a good way to explain core concepts for a wikipedia article. Carrieruggieri (talk) 12:20, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Update to comment above: I just realized that some of the sources that I thought were about this topic were actually about plain experiential dynamic therapy and mentioned the accelerated version, but weren't really about the accelerated version, so I need to look into it for notability a little bit more before giving an opinion. —PermStrump(talk) 00:10, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

My assessment that it passed WP:N when this article was at AfC was based mainly on these refs: [1] (dedicated entry in a third party encyclopaedia), the fact that it was prominently feature in an APA video series, and generally a lot of google scholar hits and mentions in the literature. Joe Roe (talk) 09:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Sources

The following list of further reading was removed from the article on 22 August 2016 (quite rightly, as it is far too long and of limited to use to the general reader), but I thought I'd preserve it here in case it's of use in improving this article further in future:

Further reading list

Books Fosha, D. (2009). The transforming power of affect: A model for accelerated change. New York: Basic Books D. Fosha, D. J. Siegel & M. F. Solomon (Eds.), The healing power of emotion: Affective Neuroscience, Development, Clinical Practice. New York: Norton. Frederick, R. (2009). Living like you mean it: Use the wisdom and power of your emotions to get the life you really want. Jose-Bass Prenn, N. & Fosha, D. (/in preparation/). /On supervision in AEDP/. Washington DC: APA. Russell, E. (2015). Restoring resilience: Discovering your clients capacity for healing. W.W. Norton & Co. Yeung, D. & Cheung, C. (2008). /The rainbow after: Psychological trauma and Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy/. Hong Kong: Ming Fung Press. (/in Chinese/). Book Chapters Fosha, D. (2002). The activation of affective change processes in AEDP. In J. J. Magnavita (Ed.). Comprehensive Handbook of Psychotherapy. Vol. 1: Psychodynamic and Object Relations Psychotherapies New York: John Wiley & Sons. Fosha, D. (2003). Dyadic Regulation and Experiential Work with Emotion and Relatedness in Trauma and Disordered Attachment. In M. F. Solomon & D. J. Siegel (Eds.). Healing Trauma: Attachment, Mind, Body, and Brain. New York: Norton. Fosha, D. (/2004/). “Nothing that feels bad is ever the last step:” The role of positive emotions in experiential work with difficult emotional experiences. Special issue on /Emotion/, L. Greenberg (Ed.). /Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy/, 11, 30-43. Fosha, D. (2007). Transformance, Recognition of Self by Self, and Effective Action. In K. J. Schneider, (Ed.) Existential-Integrative Psychotherapy: Guideposts to the Core of Practice New York: Routledge. Fosha D. (2009). Emotion and recognition at work: Energy, vitality, pleasure, truth, desire & the emergent phenomenology of transformational experience. In D. Fosha, D. J. Siegel & M. F. Solomon (Eds.), The healing power of emotion: Affective Neuroscience, Development, Clinical Practice (pp. 172–203). New York: Norton. (Go to Amazon page for the book) Fosha, D. (2009) Healing Attachment Trauma with Attachment (and then some!). In M. Kerman (Ed.) Clinical pearls of wisdom: 21 leading therapists offer their key insights New York: Norton. (Go to Amazon page for the book) Fosha, D. (2013). Turbocharging the affects of healing and redressing the evolutionary tilt. In D. J. Siegel & Marion F. Solomon (Eds). Healing moments in psychotherapy. Chapter 8 (pp. 129–168). New York: Norton. (Go to Amazon page for the book) Fosha, D., Paivio, S. C., Gleiser, K. & Ford, J. (2009). Experiential and emotion-focused therapy. In C. Courtois & J. D. Ford (Eds.), Complex Traumatic Stress Disorders: An Evidence-Based Clinician’s Guide. Chapter 14, pp. 286–311. New York: Guilford Press. (Go to Researchgate page for the book) Fosha, D., & Yeung, D. (2006). AEDP exemplifies the seamless integration of emotional transformation and dyadic relatedness at work. In G. Stricker & J. Gold (Eds.), A Casebook of Psychotherapy Integration. Washington DC: APA Press. (Go to Amazon page for the book) Prenn, N. (2009). I Second That Emotion! On Self-Disclosure and Its Metaprocessing. In A. Bloomgarden and R. B. Mennuti (Eds.), Psychotherapist Revealed: Therapists Speak About Self-Disclosure in Psychotherapy. New York: Routledge. (Go to Amazon page for the book) Tunnell, G. (2006). Postscript 10 years after: “The Oedipal Son” revisited. In S. Minuchin, W-Y. Lee, & G. Simon (Eds.), Mastering family therapy: Journeys of growth and transformation (2nd Ed)./ New York: John Wiley. Tunnell, G. (2011). An Attachment Perspective on the First Interview. In C. Silverstein (Ed.), The Initial Psychotherapy Interview: A Gay Man Seeks Treatment. New York: Elsevier Insight Books. Recipient of 2011Distinguished Book Award from American Psychological Association, Division 44. (Go to Amazon page for the book) Tunnell, G. (2012). Gay Male Couple Therapy: An Attachment-Based Model. In J. J. Bigner & J. L. Wetchler (Eds.), Handbook of LGBT-Affirmative Couple and Family Therapy. London: Routledge. (Go to Amazon page for the book) Journal Articles Benau, K. S. (2009). Contrasts, symbol formation and creative transformation in art and life. /Psychoanalytic Review/, /96 (1)/, 83-112. Eppel, A. B. (2013) Attachment and loss: matters of life and death. /New Therapist/, /84/, 28-32 Fosha, D. (2000). Meta-therapeutic processes and the affects of transformation: Affirmation and the healing affects. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration. 10, 71-97. Fosha, D. (2001). The dyadic regulation of affect. Journal of Clinical Psychology/In Session. 57 (2), 227-242. Fosha, D. (2001). Trauma reveals the roots of resilience. Special September 11 Issue. Constructivism in the Human Sciences. 6 (1 & 2), 7-15. Fosha, D. (2001). Change: Emotion, body and relatedness. In A. Guerini, F. Osimo, & M. Bacciagaluppi (Eds.). Core Factors in Experiential Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy. Quaderni di Psichiatria Pratica. 17/18, 105-116. Fosha, D. (2004). “Nothing that feels bad is ever the last step:” The role of positive emotions in experiential work with difficult emotional experiences. Special issue on Emotion, L. Greenberg (Ed.). Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy. 11, 30-43. Fosha, D. (2004). Brief integrative psychotherapy comes of age: reflections. Journal of Psychotherapy Integration. 14, 66-92. Fosha, D. (2005). Emotion, true self, true other, core state: toward a clinical theory of affective change process. Psychoanalytic Review. 92 (4), 513-552. Fosha, D. (2006). Quantum transformation in trauma and treatment: Traversing the crisis of healing change. Journal of Clinical Psychology/In Session. 62 (5), 569-583. Fosha, D. (2006/Winter). AEDP: Transformance in action. /Connections & Reflections: The GAINS Quarterly, /pp. 3–7. Fosha, D. (2007). AEDP: Transformance In Action. Connections & Reflections. Fosha, D. (2007). “Good Spiraling:” The Phenomenology of Healing and the Engendering of Secure Attachment in AEDP. Connections & Reflections. Summer 2007. Fosha, D. (2008). Recognition, vitality, passion. And love. /Constructivism in the Human Sciences/, /12 /, 57-77. Fosha D. (2009). Emotion and recognition at work: energy, vitality, pleasure, truth, desire & the emergent phenomenology of transformational experience. In D. Fosha, D. J. Siegel & M. F. Solomon (Eds.), The healing power of emotion: Affective neuroscience, development, clinical practice (pp. 172–203). New York: Norton. Also reprinted in The Neuropsychotherapist. Jul/Sep 2013 (2), 28-51. www.theneuropsychotherapist.com Fosha, D. (2009). Positive affects and the transformation of suffering into flourishing. W. C. Bushell, E. L. Olivo, & N. D. Theise (Eds.) Longevity, regeneration, and optimal health: Integrating Eastern and Western perspectives (pp. 252–261). New York: Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences. Fosha, D. (2010). 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Thanks, Joe Roe, because I meant to paste it here and forgot. Mind if I collapse this list though, so it takes up less space? —PermStrump(talk) 00:24, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Be my guest. Joe Roe (talk) 00:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Done. :) —PermStrump(talk) 00:39, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I think it's fine to remove all this. I included it because the first reviewer to reject my submission thought I had too may citations, she suggested a bibliography. I guess I thought I had to include absolutely everything. Carrieruggieri (talk) 13:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Image

On removing the image: There is no discussion here about the decision to remove the image. The inclusion of the image went through the wikipedia copyright process. Somewhere there must be documentation of the permission given by the author of the image to use it for the article. The diagram helps to understand the section on Theory of change/model of therapy. Why does it's inclusion call into question the copyright status of the article in general? Carrieruggieri (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I removed it because it's not encyclopedic, not because of copyright infringement. MOS:IMAGES says "Avoid entering textual information as images for more information." In this case, the flowchart gave the article a very textbook-like feel, as does the information it was meant to clarify, which should probably be condensed to the information available in secondary sources. I will take a closer look at it later. —PermStrump(talk) 16:13, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding image, PermStrump, for me the image is a visual for all the text in the section theory of change/model of therapy. It doesn't actually add information, it condenses the text into a visual. If you would have one more look and make a judgement, then I will go with your judgement. Carrieruggieri (talk) 10:16, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

correction on an edit

I think Joe Roe (?) re-wrote the lead paragraph, and I like what he did. However, I just noticed that the sentence "...initially developed by Diana Fosha" is incorrect. The problem is the word "initially". So far Diana Fosha is the only developer of AEDP. She has co-authored articles, and AEDP trainers and clinicians have elaborated on aspects (I did not use these sources), however the major concepts are completely from Fosha 2001, 2009, and 2013 as cited in the first sentence. I did not remove this wording, I will wait for the author of that sentence to respond. Carrieruggieri (talk) 00:17, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

The "initially" was supposed to refer to the book mentioned rather than Fosha, i.e. it was first published with that book, then expanded in later publications. But please go ahead and change it! Joe Roe (talk) 09:22, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Article moved back to draft for further revision

I have just copied the article back to Draft:Accelerated experiential dynamic psychotherapy, where it can be revised per the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Accelerated experiential dynamic psychotherapy. I can probably help revise it, if I can find enough time to contribute. I am well read in the psychotherapy literature, and I think I have a good sense of what this article may need to address the problems mentioned (see my comment in the deletion discussion). Biogeographist (talk) 16:16, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Biogeographist, I think that the article should probably have been moved rather than copied and pasted. The attribution of edits is lost when you do the latter. I suggest following the instructions at Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Fixing cut-and-paste moves to fix this. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: Thanks, that didn't occur to me. I will follow those instructions and we'll see what an administrator can do to improve the situation. Biogeographist (talk) 17:12, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Another round of edits

Hello, this is carrie ruggieri ok so I at least know where to communicate. And thank you very much for responding so quickly and moving the article to the draft page. I am very willing to write in encyclopedic style. But I honestly don't understand what that means - because I really think I did. And I don't know how to be any more neutral than writing from the point of view of 3rd party and secondary sources. If it is a source problem that is easy to fix because there are many many more 3rd party sources since this was published. If it seems like a "personal essay" or my point of view, then that is simply my writing style that conveys warmth. Again, how can it not be from a neutral point of view if every sentence is referenced and the writing was structured around all the references I could find -- that are NOT primary. Because references lead back to the originator doesn't mean it is a biased piece of writing -- how can one write about psychoanalysis and not reference Freud for example, or write about behaviorism and not reference Skinner and Watson. Actually, I am looking at the behaviorism article right now -- It gets quite dense and is a beautiful synthesis. I like that article. I think it is what people expect when they go to wikipedia. I don't see how mine is different.

I studied experimental psychology and clinical psychology at the New School for Social Research - I was there for 6 years and involved in many research endeavors. I do understand how to write from a neutral point of view. I understand how to use references. I understand how to critique - goodness I learned how to be merciless. If there is a psychologist who can look at this I think it would be very clear why this is a non-biased, neutral point of view article. Please don't punish me for writing with a tone of warmth and feeling - its one of my assets. Perhaps it is a reflection of the lack of female editors that gives the typical articles a certain more muscular feel - Im reaching for an understanding here.

As I explained, no one has critiqued aedp, at least not in a publication. And, the reason for that is because contemporary therapies are in reaction to models of the previous zeitgeist - which was cognitive therapy. So maybe in a decade there will be lots of critique on aedp and emotion focused therapies because a neuro-focused approach will muscle in to replace its present status.

As a neutral writer I cannot write a critique if it is not referenced. If you want, I can think of many areas to critique - legitimate critiques. but I don't have references.

Please highlight a paragraph or something, anything, or a section and say write this like (and maybe give me an example from another article). 17:39, 22 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrieruggieri (talk • contribs)

I completely understand where you are coming from, but you don't understand this place, Wikipedia.

We don't care who you say you are nor what you say you have studied; what matters is what you do here, and how well your edits follow community norms, as expressed in the policies and guidelines. You might want to have a read of WP:EXPERT. Jytdog (talk) 17:43, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

To Judog, I just read WP:Expert. I still, even mores after reading it, believe that my edits follow the community norms. I gave my background because I feel misunderstood and I thought by giving my background it would help you all see where I am coming from Carrieruggieri (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Biogeographist, I cannot find your suggestions and the deletion section discussion. I would like to have them and perhaps we can work together to make this article fit in with the wikipedia standards. thank you Carrie Carrieruggieri (talk) 17:55, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

I added the heading "Another round of edits" above User:Carrieruggieri's comment to separate this discussion from the previous topic (the move back to draft namespace).

@Carrieruggieri: I want to emphasize that you shouldn't construe the criticism of the article as blame, since these problems are endemic to the psychotherapy literature and nobody who has been intensively socialized into the psychotherapy milieu could be expected to step out of that culture and into Wikipedia's culture without a lot of experience editing (other articles and topics in) Wikipedia.

To begin, I will try to find examples of good Wikipedia articles on psychotherapy, and I will return to list any examples that I find. (Wish me luck! It will probably be a short list!) Biogeographist (talk) 18:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)