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* Flag of the People's Republic of China → Flag of China, 12:48, 5 June 2012, '''moved''', [[#Requested move]]
* Flag of China → Flag of the People's Republic of China, '''not moved''', 19:52, [[#Requested move 3 December 2016]]
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==Previous discussion==

:''See also the previous discussion at [[Talk:Flag of China]] before the title of the page was changed.

I added a description of the construction of the PRC flag. I am interested in carrying over to wikipedia the precise geometric 'construction' of most national flags; while correct, of course my language is very bulky and leaves much to be desired.  A graphic should be uploaded later. -Cory

:Is there a precise definition for the specific yellow and red colours to be used in the flag? -- Anon.

== Symbolism of the stars ==

Wouldn't it make more sense for the stars to symbolize the Party (largest), the workers, the farmers, the soldiers and the state? This is what several Chinese citizens have told me in varying terms. It's more logical than representing the "petty bourgeousie" and "patriotic capitalists", neither of which would be in a Communist nation's flag. Mao considered capitalism to be evil; he wouldn't raise a flag celebrating even "patriotic" capitalists.

Nevermind, I fail; I translated part of the Chinese article and the English article is correct. (suspect postscript edit)

Why did some people keep adding the "worker, farmer, student, and soldier" explanation as an alternative? As a mainland Chinese, I've never heard of this version. If you google Chinese flag in Chinese, all you can see is the capitalists version.

According Mao's theory of class[http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_1.htm], much of the Intellectual is included in Petty Bourgeoisie, so it's quite similar to the Intellectual, another well-known polictical term in china[http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/constitution/constitution.html][http://www.fas.org/irp/world/china/docs/const.html], and National Bourgeoisie similar to Businessmen. It could form the bridge to the traditional "Four categories of the people" --[[User:Ctixyz|Ctixyz]]

== Five-star red flag ==

[[Xinhua News Agency]]/[[People's Daily]] uses the "five-star red flag" translation.[http://english.people.com.cn/200410/01/eng20041001_158884.html] --[[User:Voidvector|Voidvector]] 17:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Is 'Flag Construction' really necessary?

:Not in any such cumbersome textual detail.  I removed it. --[[User:ScottMainwaring|ScottMainwaring]] 06:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Growing up in mainland and always an A student, including polical science and  history, I feel obligated to share what I know.  I just added the meaning of the colors of the Chinese flag. 

As for the four smaller stars, the implication of workers, farmers/peasants, soldiers, and petty petty bourgeoisie was correct, unless one wants to interpret/translate the petty bourgeoisie as small businessmen.  It's only the tranlation issue. It is true that the CCP regarded bourgeoisie as evil and so the word Petty is important here. Basically, again, they really meant small businesses. 

The important thing here is to recognize that the big star represents CCP. It doesn't represent Han Chinese as a majority. Because the government actually have tried to equalize rights for the minorities, if not actually gave them more.

== Meaning of war/naval flag? ==

There is no explanation for the symbols used in the war and naval flag. --[[User:84.189.125.142|84.189.125.142]] 15:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

== Adoption date? ==

The page says that the adoption date of the flag was 27 Semptember, 1949. According to ''Flags of the World'' the adoption date was 1 October, 1949. Which one is correct? [[User:Darth Newdar|Darth Newdar]] ([[User talk:Darth Newdar|talk]]) 18:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

== Editing tools ==
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== Requested move ==

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:''The following discussion is an archived discussion of a [[WP:RM|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. ''

The result of the move request was: '''moved'''. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 12:48, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

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[[Flag of the People&#39;s Republic of China]] → {{no redirect|1=Flag of China}} – This article is at its current title due to the previous name of the parent [[China]] article. Now the parent article is moved, this should too. Using the shortname in "Flag of X" articles is the standard format for all countries. These articles all deal with the current flag of the country in question, as that is what is most likely being looked at, and the current flag of [[China]] is what is being dealt with in this article. [[Flag of Burma]] and [[Flag of Malawi]] cover flags created in 2010 for example. Furthermore, there is no other flag commonly referred to as the Flag of China, except when dealing with history, in which there is always the context or an explanation. Anyone searching for "Flag of China" is looking for this article, so we should allow them to go directly to it. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 16:02, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''', the [[People's Republic of China]] article was moved to [[China]] last September, and so this needs to be moved for consistency.  Most (nearly all) people looking for "flag of China" are looking for this flag. — [[User:P.T. Aufrette|P.T. Aufrette]] ([[User talk:P.T. Aufrette|talk]]) 23:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Many more readers are seeking information on the "Flag of China" than on the "Flag of the People's Republic China", according to [http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Flag%20of%20China%2CFlag%20of%20the%20People's%20Republic%20China&cmpt=q Insights]. This is partly because some readers who know the full form are too lazy to type it in. But the margin is overwhelming, which suggests that the proposed form is more recognizable. [[Flag of China]] is currently a two entry DAB. One or the other should be primary topic, per [[WP:TWODABS]]. Even this overstates the ambiguity. In modern real world usage, the "Flag of China" is the PRC flag. Using this phrase to refer to the Taiwanese flag is just confusing for the vast majority of readers. [[User:Kauffner|Kauffner]] ([[User talk:Kauffner|talk]]) 02:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
**I must disagree. What would be more confusing would be to say that the "Taiwanese flag" was used by the [[Kuomintang|Nationalists]] during the [[Second Sino-Japanese War]] during their infantry battle charges, at a time when [[Taiwan under Japanese rule|Taiwan was a part of the Empire of Japan]]. And before you deny it, I'm pretty sure what ''the next step'' will be after "Flag of the PRC" is moved. Don't deny it because deep down you know it to be quite true. Furthermore, [[Flag of the People's Republic of China|this article]] only deals with the PRC flag, and [[List of Chinese flags|not any other Chinese flag]], such as [[:File:China Qing Dynasty Flag 1889.svg|this one]] or [[:File:Flag of the Republic of China 1912-1928.svg|this one]] or [[:File:YuanFlag1.svg|this one]] or [[:File:Flag of the Republic of China-Nanjing (Peace, Anti-Communism, National Construction).svg|this one]]. --[[User:benlisquare|<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;color:#FFFF00;background:red;">'''&nbsp;李博杰&nbsp;'''</span>]] &#124; <small>—[[User talk:benlisquare|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|contribs]] [[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|email]]</small> 20:24, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
*** This article probably doesn't cover other flags due to its needlessly restrictive title. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 21:01, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I know a similar move was done for Taiwan not too long ago also, but when you click on the Flag of Taiwan link, it still redirects to the page with the RoC. While I know (and agree) this is the flag of China (as most people see it) and I rarely see the RoC flag used in that context anymore, I just wanted to present the current state of things wiki wise when it comes to the flag pages. [[User:Zscout370]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Zscout370|(Return Fire)]]</sup></small> 04:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Kauffner. - [[User:Presidentman|Presidentman]] [[User talk:Presidentman|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Presidentman|contribs]] [[User:Presidentman/potd|Random Picture of the Day]] ([[WP:TBACK|Talkback]]) 11:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC) 
*'''Oppose.''' The full, formal and official name of that Country, as on the cover of each and every Chinese passport, and elsewhere, is ''still'' the "long-winded", as with most "Socialist" Countries, "''People's Republic of China''". If you don't jolly well like it, well, you can always have or effect a change of government in China! (''or can you?'') — [[user talk:99801155KC9TV|KC9TV]] 08:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
**Tell that to the [http://data.un.org/CountryProfile.aspx?crName=China United Nations]. There was an extremely large discussion of this issue when the PRC article was moved to the "China" lemma not long ago. [[User:Kauffner|Kauffner]] ([[User talk:Kauffner|talk]]) 12:49, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
***''"Tell that to the United Nations"'' - The UN also uses FYROM instead of Macedonia; what's with that? The UN doesn't list Taiwan or the ROC - better delete [[Taiwan]] guys, no such country, UN says it doesn't exist!!!11!!xDDDDD "The UN said so" isn't a valid argument, because the UN bows down to all sorts of things that defy reality. --[[User:benlisquare|<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;color:#FFFF00;background:red;">'''&nbsp;李博杰&nbsp;'''</span>]] &#124; <small>—[[User talk:benlisquare|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|contribs]] [[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|email]]</small> 20:19, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
**** Kauffner was just pointing out to the IP that China is called...China, in official forums such as the UN. In this case, the UN is conforming with reality. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 21:01, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
**See [[WP:COMMONNAME]].  Wikipedia prefers common names over sometimes-longwinded official names.  For instance, we don't have an article at [[Flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland]] either. — [[User:P.T. Aufrette|P.T. Aufrette]] ([[User talk:P.T. Aufrette|talk]]) 14:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
:::* Because one of the flags of ''your'' Country before the year 1867 was, and has always been called "''the (British) Union Flag''", informally and incorrectly as" ''the (British) Union Jack''", or simply, usually by non-British "subjects" and persons, as "''the British Flag''", and is ''never'' really called "''the Flag of the United Kingdom''", "''the Flag of Great Britain''", "''the Flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain''" or "''the Flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland''" as such. And if we are going down this [[wikipedia:COMMONNAME|"COMMONNAME"]] route/nonsense ''all (of) the way, inflexibly, and without allowance for exceptions'', I might just as well go and call you a ''Frenchman'', instead of a ''Quebecker'' or a ''Canadian''; and the Dutch flag as "''the Flag of Holland''"! 
:::* Look, ''the People's Republic of China'' indeed ''is'' China, and the only China, ''as a matter of fact and of reality'', but there is ''also'' and ''still'' a separate political entity called ''Taiwan'' ((still) self-styling as ''the Republic of China'', amongst other names styled or bestowed), and this other fact is pertinent; and in things such as [[heraldry]] and [[vexillology]], such ambiguity is always a little frown upon. — [[user talk:99801155KC9TV|KC9TV]] 04:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)    
***There is only one UK. There are two Chinas. [[Apples and oranges]]. In such cases [[WP:IAR]] provides a more stable and logical situation than [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. --[[User:benlisquare|<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;color:#FFFF00;background:red;">'''&nbsp;李博杰&nbsp;'''</span>]] &#124; <small>—[[User talk:benlisquare|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|contribs]] [[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|email]]</small> 20:11, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
**** There's only one country called China. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 21:01, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
*****That's disputable, depending on person. There is ''indisputably'' one UK. Address the point, don't walk around it. --[[User:benlisquare|<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;color:#FFFF00;background:red;">'''&nbsp;李博杰&nbsp;'''</span>]] &#124; <small>—[[User talk:benlisquare|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|contribs]] [[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|email]]</small> 01:19, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
****** That's standard English, which is the point. It's not very disputable that when someone says China they are referring to [[China]]. Even in a case where multiple entities share a name, such as [[Ireland]] and [[Republic of Ireland]] (which is officially ''and'' commonly just called Ireland), the flag article (the flag of the ROI) is at [[Flag of Ireland]]. This is because someone searching for the "Flag of Ireland" is searching for the flag of the country called "Ireland". They're not, say, searching for the [[Saint Patrick's Saltire]], which sometimes represents the whole island. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
******* You would also agree that Northern Ireland is <u>never</u> referred to as just "Ireland", while that is not true for the ROC, utterly obliviating your argument. Again, you trip over the mines you laid yourself in a humiliating attempt at a counter-attack. ''GotR'' <sup>[[User talk:Guerrilla of the Renmin|Talk]]</sup> 09:48, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
******** My argument had nought to do with Northern Ireland. I didn't even allude to it. It was about [[Ireland]] and the [[Republic of Ireland]]. I even wiklinked those two articles. Try reading before blinding responding. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 22:24, 31 May 2012 (UTC) 
:::::::::* The official names of ''the Republic of Ireland'' are just simply ''Éire'', ''Ireland'' and ''L'Irlande''; the names "''the Republic of Ireland''" and "''La République d'Irlande''" are chiefly used officially by [[Her Britannic Majesty's Government|''Her Britannic Majesty's Government'']], or [[Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom]], and by the Government of Northern Ireland, and they are otherwise only semi-official in the Republic; the names "''the Irish Republic''", "''La République irlandaise''" or "''An Poblacht na h-Éireann''", as far as I know, have never been official, and in fact, the Government of Ireland actively forbids, prohibits and otherwise discourages the use of the three such un-official names, short of imposing fines, especially the former two.  
::::::::: <!-- The reasoning is that, if Northern Ireland (with 6 traditional counties ([[Downshire]], or the County of [[County Down|Down]], and the Counties of [[County Antrim|Antrim]], [[County Londonderry|Londonderry]], [[County Armagh|Armagh]], [[County Tyrone|Tyrone]] and [[County Fermanagh|Fermanagh]])) is so small that it is =/= (the old traditional) [[Province of Ulster|province of Ulster]] (with 9 traditional counties, ''i.e.'', the same 6, plus the Counties of [[County Donegal|Donegal]], [[County Monaghan|Monaghan]] and [[County Cavan|Cavan]]), then how can such a small "''country''" realistically, and ''modestly'', lay claim to be "''the true Ireland''", of 4 traditional provinces and 32 traditional counties, as a ''rival'' to the Republic (with 26 traditional counties)? [[Lord Carson|The Lord Carson, Baron Carson]] (of [[Duncairn]]), was also of course not [[Chiang Kai-shek]]; and as in ''all'' things and ''everything'' Irish, religion also comes into play as well. 
******** I also don't think that [[Saint Patrick's Flag]] has ever been accepted by the Irish ''in'' the Republic, for anything, postNow 1921, least of all to represent the whole of the Island of Ireland (other the use by the [[Church of Ireland]].)--> — [[user talk:99801155KC9TV|KC9TV]] 06:48, 1 June 2012 (UTC)      

*'''Oppose:''' Per the [[Two Chinas]] doctrine, which is the ''de facto'' (but not ''de jure'') circumstance. If we were to rename "Flag of PRC" to "Flag of China" and leave "[[Flag of the Republic of China|Flag of ROC]]" where it is, it's a uniformity issue, and people will start to complain (like they always do). We cannot move "Flag of ROC" to "Flag of Taiwan" because that would be complete rubbish ([[:File:National Government of the R.O.C.jpg|the flag of Taiwan flew over Nanking in 1927?]]), and neither Taiwan Island nor [[Taiwan Province]] have a regional flag that uses the Blue Sky White Sun motif. Neither can we move articles such as [[President of the Republic of China]], [[President of the People's Republic of China]], [[Government of the Republic of China]] and [[Government of the People's Republic of China]] for the same uniformity and factual inaccuracy reasons. --[[User:benlisquare|<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;color:#FFFF00;background:red;">'''&nbsp;李博杰&nbsp;'''</span>]] &#124; <small>—[[User talk:benlisquare|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|contribs]] [[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|email]]</small> 20:05, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
**And for those unfamiliar with the issue: Presidents of the ROC have existed on the mainland (e.g. [[Yuan Shikai]], [[Chiang Kai-shek]]) which makes a move to "President of Taiwan" stupid, and "Government of Taiwan" is ambigious as such terminology can also refer to the [[Taiwan Province|provincial government]] located at [[Zhongxing New Village]]. Keeping "Flag of the PRC/ROC" where it is keeps all PRC/ROC articles uniform, otherwise it's one hell of a mess. --[[User:benlisquare|<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;color:#FFFF00;background:red;">'''&nbsp;李博杰&nbsp;'''</span>]] &#124; <small>—[[User talk:benlisquare|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|contribs]] [[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|email]]</small> 20:10, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
*** There's no reason we have to follow a political doctrine, and in fact, we shouldn't. Having [[Flag of China]] and [[Flag of the Republic of China]] isn't a uniformity issue, there's no compelling reason to directly relate them. Far more of a uniformity issue is that this article is not uniform with the plethora of other flag articles using the short name. Neither is it uniform with the name of the country article this stems from. Renaming this article would make things more uniform.
*** As for the other articles, there's nothing factually inaccurate about any of the renames you mention. As for keeping the same uniformity, there's no sense doing that as the basis of the article names has changed. [[People's Republic of China]] moved to [[China]] and [[Republic of China]] moved to [[Taiwan]] in line with the English language. Clearly the old status quo doesn't hold. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 20:57, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
**** There's no reason we have to follow a dark conspiracy theory (conjured out of thin air) that somehow the above is a political doctrine. (In the past, )Having <nowiki>[[China]]</nowiki> and <nowiki>[[Republic of China]]</nowiki> WAS seen as a conformity issue, and you never disputed this, leading me to wonder whether this is an example of the hy-word. Far more of a uniformity issue is the failure of many to follow WP:IAR. Neither is failing to be uniform with the name of the country article a problem, as seen at, e.g. President of the Republic of China. Renaming this article would make nothing beyond the country articles themselves more uniform. ''GotR'' <sup>[[User talk:Guerrilla of the Renmin|Talk]]</sup> 09:48, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. [[User:MadGeographer|<span style="color:darkgreen">mge</span><span style="color:blue">'''o'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:MadGeographer|talk]]</small> 20:48, 31 May 2012 (UTC) 
*'''Further comment.''' My original comment technically still stands. I, however, after actually viewing the other "offending" article, not having heretofore done so, would now also propose instead, of a '''hard re-direct''', from the [[Flag of China]], to the [[Flag of the People's Republic of China]]. This, I believe, is actually the most sensible course of action. — [[user talk:99801155KC9TV|KC9TV]] 07:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
**Why not make it a redirect to [[List of Chinese flags]] instead? I think currently the dab serves no useful purpose, and [[List of Chinese flags]] does the same thing plus much more. --[[User:benlisquare|<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;color:#FFFF00;background:red;">'''&nbsp;李博杰&nbsp;'''</span>]] &#124; <small>—[[User talk:benlisquare|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|contribs]] [[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|email]]</small> 09:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC) 
:::* Ultimately, most of them are indeed correct, albeit misguided. ''The Chinese flag'' indeed ''is'' the Chinese Red Flag, and ''nothing'' else. — [[user talk:99801155KC9TV|KC9TV]] 20:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)  
*'''Strong support''' for consistency. It's absurd that we're fighting this battle on every China-related article. Set aside the politics—when the parent article moves, its children should too. If you want the parent article's name to change, this is ''not'' the place to do it. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:54, 1 June 2012 (UTC) 
*'''Further comment.''' ''' ''No, don't do it!'' ''' (if you want to keep away the '''trolls''' from (or originally from) Taiwan, as well as Hong Kong and Macau (Macao), instead of having to have the page semi-protected indefinitely, complete with an ''ugly'' silver padlock, potentially ''risking the loss'' of the "good-article" status.) Do remember, just as the saying about bears and the Pope being a [Roman] Catholic, (almost) ''all'' Chinese, under a certain age, troll on the Internet, which is an open secret, known to any knowledgeable person with the remotest knowledge of that particular Country, and its natives and subjects. — [[user talk:99801155KC9TV|KC9TV]] 23:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

*'''Support''' per nom and [[User:Kauffner]].  The Chinese Civil War has been over for 62 years and counting.  It's time for Wikipedia to get over it, too.  The article's current [[WP:HATNOTES|hatnotes]] are succinct and cover any possible stray incoming links.  — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"><span style="font-family:Georgia;">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</span></span>]] 16:56, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. The child articles should, as much as possible, follow the parent article naming and I see no reason why that shouldn't happen with this article.--[[User:Cattus|Cattus]] <sup>[[User talk:Cattus|talk]]</sup> 19:44, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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== Old history ==

The old history of this page is now located at [[Talk:Flag of China/old]]. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 21:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

== Colors ==

Can we have a better, clearer description for the [[Flag of China#Colours|colors]]? I can’t calculate any of the colors based on the information given. 😕
—[[User:Britannic124|Britannic124]] ([[User talk:Britannic124|talk]]) 01:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

== There should be more rejected proposals for national flag of PR China ==

I discovered that in 2009, The Chinese officials held an exhibition in Beijing to celebrate 60 years of the founding of People's Republic of China, and during this exhibition, many original drawings of rejected proposals for PRC's national flag were open to the public for the 1st time. Some news website reported this exhibition and uploaded many images of rejected proposals. For example, http://dangshi.people.com.cn/GB/85040/9894262.html on this Chinese webpage many proposals are shown.  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Joins2003|Joins2003]] ([[User talk:Joins2003|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Joins2003|contribs]]) 06:58, 4 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Flag_of_China&diff=580140474&oldid=580121237 I have reverted] your recent addition of a large number of rejected proposal flags, as the addition of such a large number of imagery constitutes [[WP:UNDUE|undue weight]]. The rejected proposals only form a small aspect of a much larger and wider topic, and an undue proportion of weight is given to the rejected flags over the rest of the content. However, if you would like, I can recommend that you can start a separate article on the topic at [[Proposed flags of China]] or [[History of the flag of China]], and add new content over there. How does that sound? If you'd like, I can help you along the way. --[[User:benlisquare|<span style="font-family:Monospace;padding:1px;color:orange">'''benlisquare'''</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:benlisquare|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|C]]•[[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|E]]</sub> 11:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

:: Perhase try serving them up small or combining them into one image? There is still enough detail visible at a width of 30px e.g.

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== Requested move 3 December 2016 ==
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The result of the move request was: '''not moved'''. Consensus here is to use the same name that the country article does. '''<span style="border: 1px blue solid;background:Cyan">[[User:Calidum|<span style="color:#4863A0;">Calidum</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Calidum|<span style="color:#A18648;">¤</span>]]</span>''' 19:52, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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[[:Flag of China]] → {{no redirect|Flag of the People's Republic of China}} – Because there is already an article of the [[Flag of the Republic of China]], moving this article will distinguish between the flags of Communist China and Nationalist China. The name of the article is getting too complicated given the fact the PRC controls the Mainland, Hong Kong and Macau whilst the ROC '''ONLY''' administers Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, Matsu and some other islands. [[Special:Contributions/135.23.144.153|135.23.144.153]] ([[User talk:135.23.144.153|talk]]) 08:28, 3 December 2016 (UTC) <small>--'''''Relisting.''''' [[User_talk:Bradv|<span style="text-shadow:lightgray 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;color:#C60">Brad<i>v</i></span>]] 23:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)</small>

*'''Oppose and speedy close''' - this doesn't need to be on the header of the article for 7 days. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 09:04, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''': per [[WP:CONSISTENCY]], while I am sympathetic to the idea of using the full name it would be illogical to change this articles title while leaving [[China]] as an article about the PRC. [[User:Ebonelm|Ebonelm]] ([[User talk:Ebonelm|talk]]) 11:19, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

*'''Status quo''': Because there's the "[[Two China]]s" concept, this world already has two Congos, two [[Korea]]s and [[Syrian Civil War|two Syrias]] as well as two German states and two Vietnamese states. Otherwise, why not move the [[Flag of the Republic of China]] article to the "Flag of Taiwan" given the fact the ROC lost its UN seat in 1971 and still recognized by 20+ countries and the [[Holy See]]. Also the same situation with the [[Flag of Korea]]. [[Special:Contributions/135.23.144.153|135.23.144.153]] ([[User talk:135.23.144.153|talk]]) 19:17, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

* '''oppose'''. The main article is [[China]], that is the name the country is overwhelmingly known by, so the most logical name for this is its current name, the [[Flag of China]]. If consistency is needed then [[Flag of the Republic of China]] should be moved to Flag of Taiwan, as the relevant article is [[Taiwan]], but that is something to be discussed elsewhere not here. This article certainly does not need moving.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 19:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

*<s>'''Support'''. An article titled "Flag of China" is supposed to include the flags of all Chinese regimes since [[Qing Dynasty]], like how Chinese Wikipedia article [[zh:中國國旗]] does. Article [[Flag of China]] is failing to do that and is only including the flag of the People's Republic of China so its title should be "Flag of the People's Republic of China", like how Chinese Wikipedia article [[zh:中華人民共和國國旗]] is.</s> --[[User:Matt Smith|Matt Smith]] ([[User talk:Matt Smith|talk]]) 04:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::Plurals in Chinese work differently to plurals in English. In English "Flag of China" refers to a single flag, not every iteration. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 06:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:::It seems that "Flag of XXX" in articles [[Flag of the United Kingdom]] and [[Flag of France]] does not refer to a single flag. --[[User:Matt Smith|Matt Smith]] ([[User talk:Matt Smith|talk]]) 06:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Both of those articles do, in fact, refer to a single flag, the one which is the topic of each article. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 07:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::Don't they also include the flags of former regimes? --[[User:Matt Smith|Matt Smith]] ([[User talk:Matt Smith|talk]]) 07:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::Regimes isn't really the right word, but you'll notice that the historical flags (and variant flags) are included as context to the current flag, which is the topic of the article. Both of those flags draw elements from the former flags. Even if they didn't I'd argue that including historical flags may be useful if it illustrated changes and context associated with changing the flag. This is not the same as treating "Flag of X" as an examination of all of a polity's flags throughout history. For example the Hong Kong and Macau flags are discussed here and the Chinese flag is discussed on those articles, which helps explain the symbolic links between them, but does not make each of these articles equivalent in their coverage of each of the flags. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 07:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks. It looks like the articles I was expecting for UK and France should be [[List of British flags]] and [[List of French flags]], respectively, instead.
:::::::Since the English world is currently recognizing the People's Republic of China as China, I will not be stating a stance on this request. --[[User:Matt Smith|Matt Smith]] ([[User talk:Matt Smith|talk]]) 08:02, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::: [[User:Matt Smith|Matt]], the topic is about the flag itself, not the country (or the political government). The country and the flag are not the same. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 00:58, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. The long form PRC name is used quite a bit more than the equivalent form for many other countries. Consistent with [[flag of the Republic of China]]. This flag was created specifically for the PRC, and it has been used only by the this regime. So its not comparable to, say, the French tricolor, which had been used by various regimes in France. "United Kingdom" can be considered a long form name (compared to "Britain") and it is also a regime name. [[User:Pandas and people|Pandas and people]] ([[User talk:Pandas and people|talk]]) 10:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per consistency with main China article – a hatnote will solve confusion. '''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:CookieMonster755|<span style="color:crimson;">CookieMonster755</span>]] <small>[[User talk:CookieMonster755|<span style="color:purple;">𝚨-𝛀</span>]]</small></span>'''  22:13, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per [[WP:PRECISE]]. This is a useful disambiguation. Technically the flag belongs to a political entity which is the [[People's Republic of China]]. Since there are 2 political entities both claiming to be China, the flags should be specific to the government. --[[User:Lemongirl942|Lemongirl942]] ([[User talk:Lemongirl942|talk]]) 08:17, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''': Since the PRC existed in 1949, this article could be renamed with the ROC's flag only used in Taiwan and the surrounding islands due to 2 governments that rule China. [[User:Wrestlingring|Wrestlingring]] ([[User talk:Wrestlingring|talk]]) 03:04, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' The current arrangement matches the country's main article. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 12:10, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
:* Not everything should be matched. Do you think [[History of China]] = [[History of People's Republic of China]]? [[User:Timmyshin|Timmyshin]] ([[User talk:Timmyshin|talk]]) 13:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
::* No but latter is the article on the modern history of the country, the former the main overview. The same way a History of the Federal Republic article would be a part of the broader History of Germany. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 13:29, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
:::*This is a bit more nuanced though. [[History of People's Republic of China]] is about the history of PRC and [[History of Republic of China]] is the history of ROC - both parallel claimants to be the real China. When we have parallel claimants (such as [[North Korea]] and [[South Korea]]), we usually disambiguate the flags to the specific government. [[Flag of Korea]] for example redirects to [[List of Korean flags]]. --[[User:Lemongirl942|Lemongirl942]] ([[User talk:Lemongirl942|talk]]) 02:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
::::*The wider world does not call either of those states "Korea" and instead uses that term for the peninsular, the historic single entity and the aspiration of reunificationists. It is not a comparable example. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 12:03, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
*Leaning '''support''' but [[Flag of China]] should still redirect to this article with a hatnote for the dab page. [[User:Timmyshin|Timmyshin]] ([[User talk:Timmyshin|talk]]) 13:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Should follow name of country article, which is [[China]] per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. --[[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 16:00, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' unless and until the title of the country article changes. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 16:27, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - As long as the article is about the ''flag'' of the country, not the country itself, let's be precise on the whole flag. Also, the flag represents the globally recognized country, though there is a ''de facto'' one named "Republic of China". In the meantime, '''move [[Flag of China (disambiguation)]] to "Flag of China"'''. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 00:58, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
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== RfC: Flag of China or "Flag of the People's Republic of China" ==
<s>After an attempt to change the article back to the "Flag of the People's Republic of China", I noticed there's a hat note on the [[Law of the People's Republic of China]] reading: ''"Before 1971, the Republic of China was commonly known as "China" when it was replaced by the People's Republic of China. Since then, the Republic of China has been commonly known as "Taiwan"."'' Any comments or options whether you guys move the page again or use the [[WP:MOVP]] option?  [[User:Wrestlingring|Wrestlingring]] ([[User talk:Wrestlingring|talk]])</s> 00:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
:::<small>Note: The hat note Wrestlingring has "noticed" was placed there by Wrestlingring editing unlogged, as they often do. --[[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 08:14, 30 December 2016 (UTC)</small>
:{{u|Wrestlingring}}, I have removed the RFC. I agree that this needs a discussion, but it is much better to discuss and actually look at sources and evaluate evidence before starting another RFC. Otherwise, rehashing discussions makes no sense. --[[User:Lemongirl942|Lemongirl942]] ([[User talk:Lemongirl942|talk]]) 01:26, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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== Historical flags ==

{{u|Wwbread}} has reverted my removal of the "Historical flags" section. I admit being a bit too rash, and I agree with the revert. We should, however, only present flags that can be said to have been ''"The flag of China"'' at one point in history. That excludes the "Blue sky/White Sun" flag. If we open the field to a flag that only has been the naval jack of China and a party flag, we may soon find the section filled with all the other flags from [[List of Chinese flags]].

Also: As long as the "List of..." is linked as a main article, it should not be in the "See also" section.

Also: I have removed the unexplained (and wrong) changes of dates made by {{u|Dragonmarly}}. --[[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 07:15, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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== Merger proposal ==
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''This is clearly not going to succeed, and petered out over a week ago with no further arguments or proposals. Boldly closing this despite being involved as not worth dragging anyone else into this.'' --<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 19:26, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

I propose that [[Flag of the Republic of China]] be merged into [[Flag of China]] because both states claim to be [[One-China policy|"One China"]]. Although that the content in the Flag of the Republic of China article can easily be explained in the context of Flag of China, and the Flag of China article is of a reasonable size that the merging of the Flag of the Republic of China will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. However, I created a [[User:Wrestlingring/Flag of China|draft page]] to see it works.

[[User:Wrestlingring|Wrestlingring]] ([[User talk:Wrestlingring|talk]]) 19:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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*'''Snow oppose and Speedy close''' This question was discussed as recently as Feb–Mar this year, proposed by user 135.23.144.238 (who, I believe, is no other than Wrestlingring). See [[Talk:Flag of the Republic of China#Merge discussion]] It was closed with almost unanimous opposition, and nothing has changed since then to make this more relevant now. --[[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 19:49, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' The status quo is just fine. [[User:Phlar|Phlar]] ([[User talk:Phlar|talk]]) 19:45, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

*'''Snow oppose and Speedy close''' Just stop. [[User:Szqecs|Szqecs]] ([[User talk:Szqecs|talk]]) 03:34, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Discussed several times in the past and opposed generally.  Ill-disguised attempt to promote political agenda (i.e. subsume RoC flag under PRC's)  Suspected sockpuppetry here.  [[user:sirlanz|sirlanz]] 03:39, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. Not a valid rationale; they are two flags, two states, two articles on two topics. Even if China is one day unified there will likely still be two flags (see e.g. [[Flag of Hong Kong]]).--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 04:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
::Please understand that it is not conforming to [[WP:NPOV]] to assert that the ROC and the PRC are "two states". --[[User:Matt Smith|Matt Smith]] ([[User talk:Matt Smith|talk]]) 04:55, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:::[[Taiwan]] is a state according to its article. [[China]] is a sovereign state, which Taiwan is not [recognised as]. Both are certainly states, so that is not POV, just one way to describe them.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 09:40, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
::::I personally cannot agree with the use of "state" in the [[Taiwan]] article because no one would interpret the word as "one of the states of a sovereign entity" in that kind of context and thus the word significantly implies statehood. In my opinion, the use of the word in that article is a means of creating a loophole in the policy and giving readers an impression that Taiwan is an independent state. --[[User:Matt Smith|Matt Smith]] ([[User talk:Matt Smith|talk]]) 10:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

===Discussion===
*It's better left as a separate article with [[Flag of China (disambiguation)]] to guide people to the PRC, ROC or Qing flags, as it does now. [[User:Phlar|Phlar]] ([[User talk:Phlar|talk]]) 19:45, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
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== There's no flag of Taiwan, only "FLAG OF REPUBLIC OF CHINA" ==

--[[User:Chinyen Lu|Chinyen Lu]] ([[User talk:Chinyen Lu|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
:Okay? ... – <span style="font-family: Georgia;">'''''[[User:Illegitimate Barrister|Illegitimate Barrister]]'''''</span> ([[User_talk:Illegitimate_Barrister|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Illegitimate Barrister|contribs]]), 12:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

== Delete other flags ==

This article is talk about national flag of China，not other flags. So delete this Military flag and Custom flag. [[User:陈龙英|陈龙英]] ([[User talk:陈龙英|talk]]) 21:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

== Page ordering ==

It seems wrong to list the rejected designs before the construction. Any objections to some reordering of the page, demoting the rejected designs? [[User:JDAWiseman|JDAWiseman]] ([[User talk:JDAWiseman|talk]]) 23:42, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

== 'Gold' or 'yellow'? ==

The Chinese Wikipedia article on the the Chinese flag uses the term 黄色 (huángsè) throughout. See for example the color chart. Is 'gold' used here in this English-language article in a heraldic sense? Why not use the term 'yellow' throughout the article?  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Traversetravis|Traversetravis]] ([[User talk:Traversetravis#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Traversetravis|contribs]]) 04:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:It's not strictly heraldry. The colour name can be either: see {{section link|Tincture (heraldry)|List}}. The article should be consistent throughout for each flag being described. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] ([[User talk:Bazza 7|talk]]) 09:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

== Lead  ==

Mind clarifying your position for your undo edit, {{reply to|TucanHolmes}}?

As I had stated in the comment, that subject in lead is also not mentioned anywhere else in the body of the page. The passage was removed per [[WP:LEAD]]: "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.". 

On a wider level, no other National flag page makes an off hand comment on controveries existing, as duh, of course they do for most countries. Therefore, the inclusion of that line here and nowhere else is problematic on a matter of [[WP:DUE]] as well.

The part about Taiwan restricting the PRC flag is natural. Taiwan is its own country. That information on restriction is more trivia in scope, not something for the lede, and more fitting for the Flag of Taiwan page.
[[User:Sleath56|Sleath56]] ([[User talk:Sleath56|talk]]) 20:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:The etymological problem here is the name of the article: "Flag of China". Since there is more than one China [the [[PRC]] (China) and the [[Taiwan|Republic of China]] (Taiwan)], as well as Chinese immigrants outside of China (in the [[Chinese diaspora]]), who, at times, use either flag to represent "China", I think at least a mention of the schism is justified, even if it doesn't fit into the article proper. According to [[WP:LEAD]], the function of the lead should also be to "summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies". Most other countries do not have similar controversies, at least not on that scale, since the Taiwan/China situation is very unique (Taiwan even being [[China and the United Nations|recognized as the legitimate "China"]] by the UN until 1971). [[User:TucanHolmes|TucanHolmes]] ([[User talk:TucanHolmes|talk]]) 19:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

::Firstly, just to clarify the meaning of WP:LEAD, this page is on the Flag of China, not the country itself. Political and controversial elements are only relevant as they relate to the flag itself. On this note, [[WP:LEAD]] states that controversies are one of the two principal elements admissible in lead so **long as they are represented in significant detail in the article itself.** You cannot have the sole mention of a controversy in merely the lead. The lead is not a billboard. 

::Secondly, there is an observation of reciprocality between this page and other national flag pages, in line with the consensus of various Talk discussions there on lead applicability. [[Flag of Russia]], [[Flag of North Korea]], [[Flag of Iran]] all have leads without any subjective (I'll come back to this) notions of what pertains as controversial in their leads. The most covered controversy of a flag by RS is none of those above. Flag burnings of the American flag has been covered in countless RS since the early 2000s, with a incident in Greece just this week, yet this does not mean [[Flag of the United States]] mentions any controversial aspect in its lead at all. 

::Leaving aside the discussion on what information is warranted in the leads of national flags to address this particular entry, the removed passage has blatant issues in its basic premise(beyond poor grammar). It was edited into the lead less than a week ago by an IP user, which was what initially rang my alarm bells. The observation that Taiwan banned the PRC flag is why the passage was warranted as subjectively describing a controversy.  Yet, having taken a further look, the IP's entry is clear misinformation. Nowhere in the source they provided does it ever state that Taiwan had restricted display of the PRC flag. 

::It's on those grounds that I removed the week-old entry, due to reciprocality between national flag leads, the current state of this page, and because the entry itself was highly problematic.  [[User:Sleath56|Sleath56]] ([[User talk:Sleath56|talk]]) 02:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
:::I agree. [[User:TucanHolmes|TucanHolmes]] ([[User talk:TucanHolmes|talk]]) 17:25, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

== GA Reassessment  ==

{{Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Flag of China/1}}

== Flag burning picture  ==

An editor recently added a flag-burning picture. 
It has been reverted, re-added, moved to an arguably more sensible place in the article (by me), deleted, re-added, and deleted again. 

I don't have a strong opinion on this, but I did some quick checking of other Flag articles and so I thought I would offer these comments. I checked the flag articles for some "western" powers (UK, USA, Canada, France) and some Asian powers (Japan, India) and the US is the only one with a flag burning picture. That picture appears in the "desecration" section. 

So. I do not intend to involve myself in this revert cycle any more, but maybe those observations will be useful to others who might want to talk it through. [[User:JArthur1984|JArthur1984]] ([[User talk:JArthur1984|talk]]) 21:48, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

== the Four Stars ==

hey people, i heard that the four stars were the States of Mainland (Communism), Democracy (Taiwan), Hongkong (Monarchy)and Private or Union (Macau) .. just asking [[Special:Contributions/122.53.185.87|122.53.185.87]] ([[User talk:122.53.185.87|talk]]) 09:32, 30 March 2023 (UTC)