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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The ''[[Adoration of the Magi in the Snow]]'' (1563) by [[Pieter Bruegel the Elder]] is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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[[File:Genova-Staglieno-IMG 2049.JPG|thumb|370px|Dirty angel from the [[Monumental Cemetery of Staglieno]] in [[Genoa]], c.1910]]

== memo to self - arty student project pages to check through ==

*[[Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/California State University Sacramento/Art of the Ancient Mediterranean (Fall 2017)]]
*[[Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Amherst College/Women and Art in Early Modern Europe (Spring 2017)]]
*[[Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/College of DuPage/History of Art- Prehistory to 1300 (Fall 2017)]]
*[[Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Duke University/Art in Renaissance Italy (Fall 2017)]]
*[[Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Duke University/Art in Renaissance Italy (Spring 2017)]]
[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod#top|talk]]) 19:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

*[[Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/Boston_University/Venetian_Renaissance_Art_and_Architecture_(Fall)]]
[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod#top|talk]]) 16:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

== Our Hungarian Friend ==

Thanks for the supportive interjection @[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]]! [[User:Norfolkbigfish|Norfolkbigfish]] ([[User talk:Norfolkbigfish|talk]]) 11:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

== Klemperer ==

Barbirolli: Have you seen [[Otto Klemperer]]? I did because I wrote the article of his wife ;) -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Adoration of the Magi in the Snow==
[[File:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Adoration of the Magi in the Snow]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Adoration of the Magi in the Snow|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! <!--Template:DYKproblem--> [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 22:10, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

==Snow in art==
Just to make sure that you get the credit on your talk page for thinking of the idea for [[:Category:Snow in art]], and then for largely populating it with dozens of links! As always, nice work. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 15:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks! Up to 76 now; Russian art was productive, which I suppose is to be expected. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod#top|talk]]) 00:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC).
::Do Japanese woodblock prints by the likes of Hokusai and Hiroshige count? I haven't checked to see if there are articles dedicated to individual prints. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 09:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Absolutely! There will be some included in print series with articles, I'm sure. Hokusai's painting ''[[Tiger in the Snow]]'' is in already, plus a Jap screen, I think.  [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod#top|talk]]) 16:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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== Reverting a change made twice by two different users ==

Hey @[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]], I wondered how fast you (or someone else) would be to revert a change I made this morning to this article: [[Breeching (boys)]].

When I viewed the edit history, I see another user had the same issue as I did with the wording ''just recently''. Does it not come off as gatekeeping/condescension to say laypeople may not tell apart depictions of boy vs. girls prior to boys being breeched? 

First, it doesn't take complicated terminology or a deep understanding of complex processes to figure out. It's not rocket science or bioengineering. Second, it is a subjective clause that is not informative about breeching.

Third, you could put this on so many other Wiki pages, if we're going to be "diligent" about snobbery. Here's a great example from my personal/professional history:

Laypeople, and sometimes even college students studying operant conditioning, cannot understand the difference between [[Negative reinforcement]] and [[Punishment (psychology)]] (either positive or negative). I'm a PhD in I/O psychology, and a common mistake is people thinking "negative" means "bad," when in this context it means "absence of something." Do we really need to point out something like "plain folk just wouldn't understand" on a single article, if we're not doing it for all topics tied to a higher degree discipline?

Based on your Wiki profile, I might venture an assumption (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that you are not an art historian, yet you contributed 275k+ edits to Wikipedia -- so you clearly have a deep interest in many topics in which you are not certified or hold a PhD. So why fight to keep a subjective, gatekeeping, and uninformative clause about laypeople, when more than one person has objected to it in the past 6 months (and maybe others previously, I didn't look that far)?

Thanks,

[[Special:Contributions/76.205.180.44|76.205.180.44]] ([[User talk:76.205.180.44|talk]]) 01:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Kat (I might finally create a username sometime this month so I can have a bona fide discussion with others as needed.)<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/170.85.7.113|170.85.7.113]] ([[User talk:170.85.7.113#top|talk]]) 14:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)</small>

:{{tps}} Please remember to sign all comments on talk and project pages by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end of your comment. May I also direct your attention to the essay at [[Wikipedia:Expert editors]]. - [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 21:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:The other "recent" edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Breeching_%28boys%29&diff=1244237974&oldid=1241180042 only wanted to change "lay" to "average"] (and to "correct" the spelling in a quote). I could have lived with the first, but not the second. So I think you are the first person in over a decade (and [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=all-time&pages=Breeching_(boys) over 1.4 million  views to the article]) to object to this. I disagree that it is as simple as you seem to think, and after, as you say, lots of edits to mostly art history articles and talk pages, I expect I have a better understanding than you on where the average reader's level of knowledge on historic Western dress is. Why subjective clauses are inherently "not informative" I have no idea, nor do I see where you are going with para 2. I see the sentence as gate-opening rather than gate-keeping. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod#top|talk]]) 01:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::The revision in question is this one: <nowiki>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Breeching_(boys)&diff=prev&oldid=1237772579&diffonly=1</nowiki> 
::Well, I guess point #2 could be #2a and #2b. It is uninformative to say "plain folk wouldn't understand" as it does not add value to the subject of pre-breeched boys in art (and, as I mentioned earlier, because it can be said of any article belonging to a niche in any discipline, per my example), and subjective because it is based on someone's opinion that a layperson wouldn't understand it even if they tried. The gate-opening thing to do is, then, to describe at least most common/prominent examples of how such depictions are told apart, rather than end it there. Otherwise, what's the point of going down a rabbithole on Wikipedia on a lazy evening if knowledge is kept from us philistines? :) 
::I don't argue that you are leagues above me in knowledge of art history. But I'm also sure that laypeople who have seen at least a couple pre-1900 royal paintings captioned "King X as a child" are bound to not assume by default all depicted royal children in dresses are girls, I know I wouldn't - and when it comes to art history, I am a certified layperson (but maybe an observant or curious one, even if superficially).
::Hope that clears up my stance some.
::[[Special:Contributions/76.205.180.44|76.205.180.44]] ([[User talk:76.205.180.44|talk]]) 05:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

== Requesting Article Edit Clarification for Titian's Diana and Actaeon ==

Hello @[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] I am [[User:JulianFleming1|JulianFleming1]] ([[User talk:JulianFleming1|talk]]) 07:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC) and I am apart of a Wiki Education Assignment here on wikipedia and I noticed that recently you undid, deleted, and rearranged most my my edits that I recently posted to the page for the painting [[Diana and Actaeon (Titian)|Diana and Actaeon]]. It is to my understanding that upon making an edit on any wikipedia page, that a publishing summary is necessary to explain specifically what was done in said edit so that other editors may understand and build off of your contributions, however upon checking in to the article last night I noticed that you had gone and made multiple edits to my contributions with no reasoning other than "all sorts of problems" which does not provide myself or other editors with any constructive information as to what was done or needed to be improved. Most of my edits had to do with adding descriptive details and in-depth information about visual and formal analysis while also making sure to delete any biased language that would go against the neutral tone necessary to build a strong wikipedia article, however upon reviewing your edits to my contributions I noticed that you specifically re-added the subjective biased points in the introduction and rearranged content out of its respective topic headings thus interrupting the flow of the article. If supplementary information was added from new scholarly sources then I would begin to understand the overhaul of edits on the page, however after reviewing the new edits it becomes clear that the article was cohesive enough without them in the first place.

I am asking that you please explain your reasoning for why you saw fit to undo my contributions and restructure the article without explanation or suggestions for collaboration. The goal here is to provide the most accurate information available on the subject so that we may share our knowledge on these works with the world, not to flex one's ego on their self proclaimed knowledge on a subject because they dont believe the contributions of others are up to one's personal standards. [[User:JulianFleming1|JulianFleming1]] ([[User talk:JulianFleming1|talk]]) 07:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Ok, there were all sorts of problem; I am not your teacher & it is not my job to explain them all to you. That's what your course tutor is supposed to do. It's nothing to do with my alleged "personal standards", but Wikipedia policies. I'll note that you didn't actually change much of the existing text, and I have left the sections you added alone, except for small corrections.  Some of my other edits have more explicit edit summaries. Just a few of the issues:
::You changed the article to [[American English]] - see [[WP:ENGVAR]]
::There was tons of [[WP:OVERLINKING]]
::You don't know where to use "attributed"
::You seem to think the grotto actually ''is'' a cathedral
::You messed up the section headers - look at them in your version.
::You added "and is currently housed in the National Gallery of Scotland." - No, it's in London (and "currently housed" is against [[WP:VAMOS]])
:and so on, [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod#top|talk]]) 18:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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==Category==
Here's two you may want to populate. Someone created [[:Category:Paintings of fruit]] with five entries. I added a few dozen more and created [[:Category:Fruit in art]] to catch [[Comedian (artwork)|the leftovers]]. Added the 'Paintings...' category to [[:Category:Food and drink paintings]] and only deleted that category from them if the painting was of fruit and no other food or drinks depicted. There should be hundreds of paintings out there, but don't know how many have w. articles. Happy holidays to you, and many grapes. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 01:26, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks, & likewise! There will be plenty, and some sculptures too. It's not usually my sort of thing, but we'll see. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod#top|talk]]) 04:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

==Oldmasters Museum==
I see that you reverted my changes in the [[Oldmasters Museum]] article. To be honest, Auden's poem is not even that relevant and could even be confusing, as the 'Oldmasters' museum was officially named 'Musée (royal) d'Art Ancien' in 1929 and there was no post-WW2 name change to 'Musée des Beaux-Arts' (I had temporarily left this in place pending further checks). Actually, the 'Musée des Beaux-Arts' predates the 'Musée d'Art Ancien' by over 80 years and was originally housed in the [[Palace of Charles of Lorraine]], before moving to the current 'Palais des Beaux-Arts' in 1887. The institution housing the 'Musée d'Art Ancien' changed its name twice: to 'Musée des Beaux-Arts de Belgique' in 1919 and again in 1927 to its current name, 'Musées royaux des Beaux-Arts de Belgique'. In any case, the poem is given too much undue weight, and the fact that it may have somehow inspired the current 'Oldmasters' name is unsourced and/or possible original research. About your sentence that the (Royal) Museums of Fine Arts "(...) has never been a place", this is confusing too, as it did exist in a single place throughout its early history, albeit not anymore. Same for your sentence "An advantage of using an invented word is that internet searches produce the "right" results at the top.". How is this an encyclopedic-worthy entry? Besides, English names (followed by the French–Dutch sequence when necessary) should be used in Brussels-related articles for consistency and neutrality, as per the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Belgium/Brussels naming conventions|long-established (2007) naming conventions]], so stating that the building's English name misleadingly suggests the poem had an English title is again irrelevant in this context. Finally, you deleted a sourced sentence and added/restored a bare URL, which is quite surprising for an experienced editor like yourself. [[User:Jason Lagos|Jason Lagos]] ([[User talk:Jason Lagos|talk]]) 17:27, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, they were messy, in two articles. The point is that your edits said that the poem had a some point had an English title, which it never did. As far as English is concerned, it seems the common name of the museum did change. When you say "The institution housing the 'Musée d'Art Ancien'..." do you mean the physical building, or the managing trust (or whatever it is). If the second, "housing" is the wrong word, is it not?  I don't agree that the poem is given undue prominence because as far as certainly people from the UK are concerned, it is the most, if not the only, thing for which the museum is known, as the poem is very widely taught in schools (or used to be anyway).  The pathetic description of the collection, which I have started to improve, did absolutely nothing to change this perception. I can't see any bare links, but fix them if you can. What referenced sentence?  [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod#top|talk]]) 17:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I can't quite believe that you actually mean "Besides, English names (followed by the French–Dutch sequence when necessary) should be used in Brussels-related articles for consistency and neutrality, as per the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Belgium/Brussels naming conventions|long-established (2007) naming conventions]], so stating that the building's English name misleadingly suggests the poem had an English title is again irrelevant in this context." It wasn't the building's name, but your edits that said the poem had an English title - read them again. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod#top|talk]]) 17:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for your quick reply. To be clear, I never claimed the poem had an English title or anything of the sorts. My latest version reads: "'''The museum has been known by various names''', reflected in the changing titles of W. H. Auden's famous poem Musée des Beaux Arts, as it is now called. When Auden first published it in 1929, '''this was the Palace of Fine Arts''' ''(French: Palais des Beaux-Arts, Dutch: Paleis voor Schone Kunsten),'' '''still used as the name of the imposing 19th-century museum building'''." If you exclude the subordinate clauses, you can see that I am clearly referring to the building. Admittedly, the phrasing is awkward as I tried to work around the poem part, so I guess that is why you interpreted it as such. The bare URL is your link to the [https://fine-arts-museum.be/en/museums/musee-oldmasters-museum Royal Museums of Fine Arts of Belgium page] and the sourced sentence that you deleted is the following: "This "Palace of Fine Arts" had housed the Royal Museum of Ancient Art ({{langx|fr|Musée royal d'art ancien|link=no}}, {{langx|nl|Koninklijk Museum voor Oude Kunst|link=no}}) since 1887 following the move there of the works of [[Old Masters]] ({{langx|fr|vieux maîtres|link=no}}, {{langx|nl|oude meesters|link=no}})." which gives more details about the above-mentioned historical developments. I trust you about the poem's notoriety in the UK, though I still believe directly quoting from it in the museum's article or hinting it may have had something to do with its current name is undue/original research, at least without a valid source. Simply mentioning/linking it and its connection to the museum, as in my last edit, aptly suffices in my opinion. As for your question, I meant the institution and grouping of buildings that include/manage/house the museum. [[User:Jason Lagos|Jason Lagos]] ([[User talk:Jason Lagos|talk]]) 19:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

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== Seasons Greetings! ==

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[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) is wishing you [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|Seasons Greetings]]! Whether you celebrate the [[Winter Solstice|Winter]] or [[Marsupial|Summer Solstice]], [[Christmas|Xmas]], [[Eid al-Adha|Eid]], [[Diwali]], [[Hogmanay]], [[Hannukah]] or even the [[Saturnalia]], this is a special time of year for almost everyone!    <br /> 

<small>Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{[[WP:SUBST|subst]]:[[User:WereSpielChequers/Dec10/Classic]]}} to your friends' talk pages</small>.
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== Season's Greetings ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | <blockquote>When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library.  Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this.  I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it."  </blockquote>

(Text on page 17 illustrated in the [[frontispiece]] in [[Juliana Horatia Ewing]]'s ''Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers'', illustrated by [[Mary Wheelhouse]], London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)

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==Merry Christmas from the Bishonen conglomerate!==
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[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 13:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC).

== Happy Holidays  ==

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'''Hello Johnbod:''' Enjoy the '''[[Christmas and holiday season|holiday season]]'''&#32;and '''[[winter solstice]]''' if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, [[User:Abishe|Abishe]] ([[User talk:Abishe|talk]]) 15:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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<div style="padding-left: 2em; margin-top: 1em; font-size: 88%; font-style: italic">Spread the WikiLove; use {{tls|Season's Greetings}} to send this message</div>{{-}} [[User:Abishe|Abishe]] ([[User talk:Abishe|talk]]) 15:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for your "card"! Mine is in the ODT section, my [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#25 Dec|first Christmas story]] this year, about [[Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ, BWV 91]], 300 years today, and its song, 500 years old. Enjoy the season! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:15, 25 December 2024 (UTC)