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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Timeshifter (talk | contribs) at 17:56, 2 October 2021 (→Remove old table. Keep the table updated daily by bot: reply). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Antarctica cases

This article is dated one day after that cited in the article and says that Antarctica experienced 58 cases of COVID-19, more than the 36 indicated on the page. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-23/more-covid-cases-linked-to-chilean-antarctic-base/13009706

Deletion discussion concerning all monthly data pages for deaths and cases

See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/COVID-19 pandemic deaths in July 2021. The discussion there has expanded beyond that monthly data page to all the monthly data pages linked from here:

My comment there:

Keep. Notability is obvious since it is COVID-19 data that is constantly reported in the media. This COVID-19 info is invaluable, because it is difficult to find in this monthly table form. Many other table lists on Wikipedia of all kinds are notable. Sourcing is from World Health Organization (WHO). How much better than that can you get? The monthly pages get around a hundred views a day during the month it is being filled in. See those numbers via the {{page views}} banner at the top of the talk page: Talk:COVID-19 pandemic deaths in August 2021. The overall page at COVID-19 pandemic deaths that links to those monthly pages gets around 700 page views per day lately. The first of the month data from those monthly pages is used to compile this important and notable template: Template:Monthly cumulative COVID-19 death totals by country 2021. It is found on this page: COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory. That page gets around 13,000 views per day lately. People come for the tables and maps. The creator of the monthly pages is User:Anguswalker. He has been thanked by some Wikimedia Foundation staff for his great and tireless work. People and news media from around the world come to all these Covid data pages. As I said, notability is obvious.

People at the deletion discussion may not understand these issues as well as the people here at COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory. So please get involved. --Timeshifter (talk) 06:47, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All the monthly death data pages were deleted. The closing admin gave his reasons here:
User talk:Sandstein#Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/COVID-19 pandemic deaths in July 2021
That discussion will probably be archived soon. Check the talk archives then.
Further discussion may happen here:
Talk:COVID-19 pandemic deaths#Monthly cumulative death pages with daily data have been deleted. Need external links. Section name may be changed, so look around for a similar section heading. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

death number for France

the death number for France is incorrect in the paragraph "COVID-19 pandemic by location as of 2 September 2021" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:cb14:aa2:7800:b1b6:7a86:8953:5318 (talk) 08:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which number is correct, then? --2A02:AB04:2AB:700:581B:6985:D8DA:95B7 (talk) 16:31, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it would be kind of you to cite a reliable source for us in order to prove your allegation! --Maxl (talk) 13:31, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove old table. Keep the table updated daily by bot

The table in this section needs to be removed from the article:

It is being maintained mainly by 1 or 2 people lately (see history) vetting hundreds of sources. Here is the table template:

There is no way the above-linked table can be as accurate, or as regularly and fully updated, as this table updated daily by a bot:

It is found in this section:

Its reference: {{COVID-19 data/Cite}}:

The link in that reference:

Then scroll down to "Download database" box and clicking it to go here and see databases:

--Timeshifter (talk) 11:52, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support: I agree that the original table has outlived its usefulness now that we have a reliable source that programmatically collects the same data. For the most part, the numbers look nearly 1:1 between the two tables and the "recovered" counts have been unreliable/useless for a long time.
It looks like the original table includes some territories that are missing from OWID. I think in most cases, OWID has the data for these regions. The entries just haven't been added to Wikipedia's OWID table.
Here's the full list (possible false positives for alternate spellings):
Abkhazia, American Samoa, Anguilla, Artsakh, Aruba, Bermuda, Bonaire, British Indian Ocean Territory, British Virgin Islands, Cape Verde, Cayman Islands, Curacao, Donetsk PR, East Timor, Falkland Islands, Faroe Islands, French Polynesia, Gibraltar, Greenland, Guam, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Jersey, Luhansk PR, Macau, Montserrat, New Caledonia, Northern Cyprus, Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, Saba, Sahrawi Arab DR, Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Sint Eustatius, Sint Maarten, Somaliland, South Ossetia, The Gambia, Transnistria, Turks and Caicos, U.S. Virgin Islands, Wallis and Futuna, Antarctica
- Wikmoz (talk) 03:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wikmoz and Tol. Hey Tol. I suggest adding all of the above subnational areas, territories, etc. to the 2 templates:
Template:COVID-19 pandemic death rates
Template:COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country
And any others you see in the database.
--Timeshifter (talk) 12:07, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! I've added the Freely Associated States — Federated States of Micronesia, Marshall Islands, and Palau — which have been added to OWID since I set up the bot. The list is a mix of other spellings, unrecognised states, and parts of other locations; OWID does not have data for any of them. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 14:32, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wikmoz and Tol. I checked the first 9 on the Wikmoz list. 6 of them are found on this cases page based on the WHO database:
COVID-19 pandemic cases#2021
I checked the cases page first because some of these smaller areas haven't reported any deaths.
I figured out only recently how to extract some info from that massive WHO .csv file in order to update the Sep 1, 2021 numbers on the deaths page here:
COVID-19 pandemic deaths#2021
See: Help:Table#Picking selected dates from massive .csv files
Tol, would it be possible to use the WHO database instead of OWID?
--Timeshifter (talk) 18:16, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Timeshifter: It would require overhauling most of the bot. More locations isn't necessarily better, it just implies a wider definition of what constitutes a country. Most missing locations have questionable sovereignty; nearly all have their numbers included in another location. I don't think it's an issue; it's just different thresholds of inclusion. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:51, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tol and Wikmoz. It is fairly common to include some territories and other subnational areas on country lists. But I don't see deaths per million in the WHO pages, tables, and databases I have looked at so far. I guess WHO just provides the raw numbers and lets groups of people from John Hopkins, OWID, etc. crunch the numbers further into rates, etc.. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:57, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OWID is very deliberate in their country/territory selection so I'd go with whatever they have. Tol, if there are loud complaints, is it still possible to add a section to the bottom of the list for manual input as done previously for COFA in Template:COVID-19 vaccination data? - Wikmoz (talk) 04:27, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikmoz: In short, not really. It's technically possible, but brings problems of double-counting, would require another (fairly large) addition to the module, and would introduce the issue of templates having different numbers which this system was supposed to fix in the first place. On an entirely unrelated note (for @Timeshifter too), is everyone fine with moving this discussion to Template talk:COVID-19 pandemic data? I'd much rather prefer to avoid discussion forks. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 04:33, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tol and Wikmoz. I think we should keep this discussion here. The old template may get deleted, along with its talk page, when that template is no longer transcluded in any article. This is the only article it is transcluded in currently. A note could be left on that talk page pointing here for further discussion. That way nothing is lost.
Rather than try to paste an addition for more territories, etc. to this template, I suggest letting others create a separate template for that. It wouldn't have to be a bot. It could even be updated weekly or monthly. That template would go in a separate section here.
--Timeshifter (talk) 09:57, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This may be a non-issue and should not be a blocker for moving forward. If it does come up, I think the first point of resolution would be to direct the user to OWID and request that they add the territory to the source data. As a fallback, it looks like there's an ugly hack that is possible (see bottom row of table) without modifying the module. - Wikmoz (talk) 17:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't think it should be a problem. I plan to switch the table over tomorrow. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that a longer discussion is taking place here. Is it the content of Template:COVID-19 pandemic data or the template itself that will be replaced? It appears that Template:COVID-19 pandemic death rates would duplicate the replacement, with the only significant difference being that the death rate is also included. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 04:39, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

LSGH. Template:COVID-19 pandemic data and its section would be removed from this article. The section containing Template:COVID-19 pandemic death rates would remain. --Timeshifter (talk) 12:32, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Timeshifter: Will it be possible to classify the template as a historical page? Some obsolete pages in project space are retained for historical reference. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 16:59, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
LSGH. I don't know. Maybe the Covid wikiproject people would know.
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