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Section sizes

Section size for Imjin War (76 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	9,666	9,666
Names	1,292	1,292
Background	121	60,154
Japan and Korea before the war	3,671	3,671
Hideyoshi's preparations	7,736	13,596
Diplomatic dealings between Japan and Korea	5,860	5,860
Military	15	21,450
Japan	8,795	8,795
Ming China	2,890	2,890
Joseon Korea	9,750	9,750
Military capabilities	3,821	21,316
Problems with Joseon defense policies	2,376	2,376
Military strength	1,510	1,510
Weapons	11,472	11,472
Naval power	2,137	2,137
Korean military reorganization	35	2,525
Proposal for military reforms	1,135	1,135
Military Training Agency	1,355	1,355
Imjin War: Japanese first invasion (1592–1593)	2,544	96,928
Initial attacks	24	10,025
Landing of a Japanese army	4,223	4,223
Occupation of Gyeongsang Province	1,342	1,342
Battle of Sangju	1,678	1,678
Battle of Chungju	2,758	2,758
Capture of Hanseong	3,195	3,195
Japanese campaigns in the north	123	12,318
Crossing of the Imjin River	977	977
Distribution of Japanese forces in 1592	1,041	1,041
Capture of Pyongyang	1,931	1,931
Campaigns in Gangwon Province	905	905
Campaigns in Hamgyong Province and Manchuria	7,341	7,341
Naval campaigns of 1592	12,072	21,529
Battle of Hansan Island	4,670	4,670
Battle of Angolpo and Danghangpo	1,756	1,756
Battle of Busan	3,031	3,031
Korean militias	1,491	10,912
Gwak Jae-u's campaigns along the Nakdong River	1,681	1,681
Battle of Uiryeong/Chongjin	1,782	1,782
Jeolla coalition and Battle of Yongin	1,466	1,466
First Geumsan campaign	1,206	1,206
Warrior monks	3,286	3,286
Siege of Jinju	3,873	3,873
Intervention of Ming China	6,714	6,714
Siege of Pyongyang	6,267	6,267
Battle of Byeokjegwan	3,856	3,856
Battle of Haengju	3,692	3,692
Stalemate	3,453	3,453
Second siege of Jinju	5,506	5,506
Negotiations and truce between China and Japan (1594–1596)	3,044	3,044
Chongyu War: Japanese second invasion (1597–1598)	3,884	31,752
Initial offensive	931	18,014
Plot to dismiss Yi Sun-sin	1,049	1,049
Battle of Chilcheollyang	1,567	1,567
Siege of Namwon	3,031	3,031
Battle of Hwangseoksan	503	503
First Korean and Ming counter offensive	811	811
Battle of Jiksan	2,358	2,358
Battle of Myeongnyang	2,827	2,827
Siege of Ulsan	4,937	4,937
Final allied offensive of 1598	2,237	6,175
Battle of Sacheon	3,564	3,564
Siege of Suncheon	374	374
Death of Hideyoshi	631	631
Battle of Noryang	3,048	3,048
Post-war negotiations	2,064	2,064
Aftermath and conclusion	1,451	19,833
Losses and gains	11,663	11,663
War atrocities	2,982	2,982
Legacy	2,891	3,737
International awareness	846	846
See also	312	312
Footnotes	35	35
References	132	132
Bibliography	24,348	25,594
Primary sources	1,246	1,246
External links	1,278	1,278
Total	251,565	251,565

Disambig in title

Question—why is the date disambiguation needed in the title? Are there other Japanese invasions of Korea? Is it because of Korea's annexation in the 20th century? If so, I think the annexation isn't really considered a military invasion. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 06:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just realized; is it just trying to make clear that the article covers both invasions? 14.49.153.193 (talk) 02:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weird sentence

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（How could you possibly die 10000? This is a fabrication used by future generations to commemorate this battle. According to contemporary Korean records, the Korean army harvested 130 Japanese heads, and the Koreans estimated that they killed five to six Japanese soldiers。） 2A02:6B6F:FBF0:DD00:698F:1C2C:EB17:596F (talk) 07:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 December 2024

The request to rename this article to Imjin War has been carried out.

If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

Japanese invasions of Korea (1592–1598) → Imjin War – Far more common name for the conflict according to Google Ngram https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Imjin+War%2C+Japanese+Invasion+of+Korea&year_start=1800&year_end=2022 also much more natural sounding than the current title which has to be disambiguated with a date. Gazingo (talk) 22:42, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Imjin War is more common than this descriptive but unnatural formulation. JArthur1984 (talk) 00:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support as per WP:COMMONNAME. Imjin War does seem to be used more often. A good number of sources do however refer to it by "Japanese invasions of Korea", so it isn't too uncommon. OutsideTheGates (talk) 01:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support per above; note that the ngram should probably be case insensitive and could include plural, but that doesn't change much [1]. seefooddiet (talk) 09:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The naming here is a little perculiar. The Imjin War(or 'wars') was a series of two separate but linked invasions (Imjin War / Chongyu War) which are collectively referred to as the "1592–1598 Japanese invasions of Korea" or just as "Imjin War".

Now, considering that the article has been tagged with {{very long}}, would it be possible to separate the article into Imjin War and Chongyu War (or Jeongyu War, if the RR happens to be the commonname)? Or perhaps create those two articles as separate and leave this one to serve as a encompassing overview for both wars, like French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars? -- 00101984hjw (talk) 03:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still need to think but I think having one article for both invasions makes more sense. The invasions were too strongly interrelated to make splitting like that helpful. Very long tag could be addressed by tightening up the writing. seefooddiet (talk) 05:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not even sure if Chongyu War is a real term or something invented by the article. Neither spelling produces any results on google Ngram. I can't find a single book that describes just one invasion without describing the other. Gazingo (talk) 23:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Real term ("정유재란"), attestation on the Encyclopedia of Korean Culture. Romanized using McCune–Reischauer. seefooddiet (talk) 23:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think for now, we should move this article to "Imjin War". From there, someone could propose splits or trimmings to address the length of the article.

It may be the case that a separate article for Chongyu War may be appropriate, per 00101984hjw's comment. Also worth noting that the kowiki has a separate article for Chongyu War: ko:정유재란. seefooddiet (talk) 23:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't speak Korean so could you tell me more about the Korean wiki's state? How are the articles structured with regards to the first invasion, second invasion, and the overall conflict? Gazingo (talk) 02:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Imjin War is main article and covers both invasions. Lead para affirms our understanding here, that "Imjin War" can refer to either the overall war (both invasions) or just the first one. The Imjin War article has a section on the Chongyu War that's brief and WP:SUMMARY style. The Chongyu War article goes into more depth.

I think we could follow the same pattern. seefooddiet (talk) 03:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that that would be for the best, though we are getting out the realm of the move discussion. Gazingo (talk) 05:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]