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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
"If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, and one is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page is not needed—it is sufficient to use a hatnote on the primary topic article, pointing to the other article. (This means that readers looking for the second topic are spared the extra navigational step of going through the disambiguation page.)" Here, there are only two possibilities, the character and the film. Because we can't have a disambiguation page at the title "Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)" per WP:INCOMPDAB, that title would then point to Thor (disambiguation), which would be less helpful to readers than the hatnote is now. bd2412T19:16, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so you were referring to that, but this page isn't the primary topic as can be seen by the fact that it has disambiguation and per WP:INCDABWhen a more specific title is still ambiguous, but not enough so to call for double disambiguation, it should redirect back to the main disambiguation page. It's too soon to check page views comparisons for this page, but given the fact that the first film gets more page views then the comic character article (as can be seen here), I'd even say that if we go with a primary (which again, I'm not in favor as a disambiguation cannot be a primary) then the film would still be it. --Gonnym (talk) 19:32, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If these were unrelated topics pageviews might matter, but they are not. The film, Thor, is a subtopic of the MCU character, Thor. If the character didn't exist, then the film could not exist, although it would have been possible to have Thor appear in the Avengers without having his own origin story film. This is comparable to George Washington in the American Revolution - if the article on this aspect of the person's life was the most-viewed, we still wouldn't make it the primary topic of George Washington, or even consider moving George Washington to a different title to accommodate any perceived ambiguity. Although the film and character in this case are fictional, the character is still the thing the film is about. bd2412T20:02, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
George Washington (disambiguation) does exist, however. The character, Thor, is the primary topic of the phrase Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe) in the same way that the President, George Washington, is the primary topic of the phrase George Washington. Furthermore, the function of disambiguating the topics is already accomplished in the hatnote. There is no reason to send readers to a completely different disambiguation page to find the exact same link to the film. This gives no additional help to readers searching for the film, since they can already find it on the article proposed to be moved, while inconveniencing readers who are, in fact, looking for the character. bd2412T17:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if we were do a count, then names like "Steve Rogers" aren't common either, since almost always he's referred to as some variation of "Steve", "Captain Rogers", "Cap", "Captain America", etc. So its not really about COMMONNAME, but more about WP:RECOGNIZABILITY, WP:PRECISION, and WP:NATURAL. -- Netoholic@02:51, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that Thor is the common name, which why this is the current title of the article. However, since we are talking about moving it, I would consider adding "Odinson" to be a better solution than adding "character". None of the titles on other MCU characters have "character" in the title, but they do have the character surname. bd2412T02:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:CONCISE, WP:TWODABS, and WP:INUNIVERSE. Thor (film) is a real-world entity (with a cast, director, premiere date, etc) and is not part of the fictional Marvel Cinematic Universe. The only Thor that is within that fictional universe is Thor Odinson. Any confusion is handled adequately by the hatnote, and we don't need to be pedantic. -- Netoholic@02:33, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thor, the film, is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe fictional universe, but he is part of the actual real-world entity movie franchise which is called the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which the fictional character article disambiguation also uses. The fictional universe isn't called MCU, it is in-fact called "Earth-199999". So if we were to use this for the character it would be Thor (Earth-199999). --Gonnym (talk) 09:21, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's just out of left-field. Sources regarding this topic do not use Earth-2123456 or whatever. The fictional universe is called Marvel Cinematic Universe (you call tell its right from the word "Universe" in it, not "Franchise" or "Film Series". -- Netoholic@10:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's so great having a discussion with an editor who places an argument which turns out to be incorrect and instead of admitting it was incorrect, resolves to commenting on the editor. Lovely. Also, no need for "actual confusion" as we cannot test that with the current tools Wikipedia has, all we can is turn to our guidelines which clearly say that if it the title is ambiguous, it should not be, which has been proven. Anyways, this specific sub-discussion has seem to run its course. --Gonnym (talk) 11:25, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Its not incorrect. You go searching for a specific phrase and you will absolutely find a small minority of sources which reference it. Its called "selection bias" or "confirmation bias" and its a misued tactic in RM discussions all the time. Use the sources of this article, or survey a broad selection of sources to get a general impression on how its handled. Dont plug in keywords and come back with 2-3 links which you think makes your case a "slam dunk". The MCU shared universe meaning came first, and was adopted as a shorthand to describe the collection of films. The Earth-199999 designation came long after to make the MCU "fit" into established comics multiverse numbering - but its a point of trivia, not a common way to describe the fictional universe. Lastly, "pedantic" was a comment on the arguments made, not the editor - I used the same word in my original vote, not directed at anyone in particular, just the tendency of to be too unnecessarily strict and enraptured by the minutae of our guidelines rather than actually benefiting readers and editors working with this article. -- Netoholic@12:06, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as unnecessary. It is consistent with how "(comics)" disambiguation terms are used. I'm sure there are a number of comic book characters whose article titles need to be disambiguated and also have their own specific comic book lines, e.g., Black Panther (comics), Tick (comics), and Spawn (comics). We don't get these characters mixed up with their comic book lines of the same name. We don't need to get more detailed here for similar reasons. EDIT: We even have Thor (Marvel Comics) to refer to the figure without needing "character". Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me)18:56, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:TWODABS. In the unlikely scenario a user somehow gets here but wants the film, the hatnote will fix the problem. (And per Netholic, unless the MCU gets really meta, the current title is reasonably precise anyway - Thor-the-film/documentary is probably not an in-universe part of the MCU.) SnowFire (talk) 21:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Appearances in derivative media
Should there be mentions made of the fact that the tie-in games to the films and the Team Thormockumentary shorts are in large meant to be (or at least heavily inspired by) this version of the character?★Trekker (talk) 17:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Big three Avengers?
The current version of the page refers to Thor as "one of the Big Three Avengers along with Iron Man and Captain America". The term "big three" appears nowhere either on this page or on Avengers (comics). The rest of the paragraph consists of speculation about Steve Rogers not appearing again (he might, in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier) and Thor appearing again in Thor 4 (which might not be made). I think it's cleanest to remove this paragraph. Airbornemihir (talk) 07:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
