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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Primefac (talk | contribs) at 11:43, 23 September 2020 (User:Goldsztajn: done (using userRightsManager)). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Template editor

I really need this right in order to be able to work on some indefinitely protected templates, mostly belonging to Category:Country data templates. If my request is positively answered and I receive this right, I will not misuse it in any way. My only desire is to be able to periodically work on templates that are currently out of reach to me. Sundostund (talk) 19:24, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Green tickY (guideline: >1 year, applicant: 10)
  2. Green tickY (guideline: >1000 edits, applicant: ~99.5k)
  3. Green tickY (guideline: >150 template edits, applicant: ~6500)
  4. Green tickY (guideline: !<6 months, applicant: 8 years)
  5. Red XN (guideline: 3 sandboxes, applicant: ~0)
  6. Red XN (guideline: 5 requests, applicant: ~0)
Primefac (talk) 19:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Specs are decent, and I'll wait for other comments (having literally no recollection of ever seeing this individual) but I'm mostly in the "shows no demonstrated need" camp of leaning towards no. Also pushing me in that direction is an almost nonexistent use of edit summaries (~5.5%). Primefac (talk) 19:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done per Primefac's rationale above — JJMC89(T·C) 03:22, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac and JJMC89: Obviously, I am sorry because of the decision you made here. As I said above, I would not abuse this right in any way, I just needed it as a useful tool to periodically use in my work here. But, I certainly do understand rationale behind your decision, and have absolutely no bad feelings because of it. I suppose that I will try to get your approval again at some later point, if you decide to keep your current decision in force. — Sundostund (talk) 06:37, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Of course; if you demonstrate a need for this right, then by all means feel free to reapply. Primefac (talk) 10:18, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I would have no problem with you having this right. When you meet the last two criteria, please come back. (And yes, if you could improve your use of edit summaries, that would also be good!) Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:35, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Sundostund: if I may offer a word of advice: as soon as you feel the need to edit a protected template, make the edit in the template sandbox and when you have it working to your satisfaction, make an edit-protected request describing the improvement you made. You'll usually get a reasonably quick response, but you're always welcome to ping me if not. If you're encountering the need for TE permissions often enough, you'll soon clock up the standard guideline counts, and you'll have good evidence when you reapply. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 19:38, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Requesting my template editor permission be regranted. I was previously granted permission for a 3 month period by Xaosflux which lasted until mid-August, but due to non-virtual world circumstances, I had to be absent from Wikipedia from late July until early this month and I missed the opportunity to request the permission be made permanent. I would like to continue working on edit requests for semi-protected templates and template work in the Organized Labour project. Thank you.--Goldsztajn (talk) 11:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC) Goldsztajn (talk) 11:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell you only used it to make 5 edits to Template:WikiProject Organized Labour and made a series of edits and partial reverts, rather than testing in the sandbox. I can't see any evidence that you sought consensus for the changes either (not that they were particularly controversial, but it would have been good to see some discussion). — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:34, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, not really keen on the not-sandboxing. If we're talking about one major set of edits to that template every three months (or less) and you otherwise have little to no experience in complex markup, I don't see the point in extending this (TPERs are more than sufficient for that). I could maybe see another trial if there was an indication of an inclination otherwise. Primefac (talk) 01:57, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy to participate in another 3 month trial if that is considered preferable. I've been a member of the Organized Labour project for 14 years, at present I'm the only editor actively working on project-related matters; I'd earlier indicated my intention to revive the project. I've contacted multiple previously active editors in the project about my intentions (some examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]).
In terms of not sandboxing, the edits I made to the Template:WikiProject Organized Labour would not have shown up any functional difference since they were all related to classification of articles related to the project. I had already signposted my intention to update the project template, both of you would have been aware having assisted with my earlier requests before I had the tool. However, I'm happy to commit going forward that *any* proposed change I make in future will firstly be done in the relevant sandbox.
In terms of my commitment to this work, in addition to being active across a number of areas in this encyclodpaedia, I deliberately erred on the side of caution with the use of this tool, making one requested edit to the NATO template during this period. I'm not sure what where the line begins with "complex markup" (clearly not the NATO template, but the infobox ship begin ship template? where I've made contributions to discussions), but given the limitations placed when granted the tool, and Xaosflux's explicit instructions to stay away from complex markup, I took the view far better to stay away from anything but the most simple templates and to work in the least contentious way possible. Unfortunately, due to non-virtual world circumstances, I was not able to edit during a period of almost half the trial, nevertheless it feels a little as though I'm being held to account for being too cautious....
I requested the tool first and foremost because I am working in a specific area where the tool is necessary and rather than repeatedly requesting others to complete my requests I hoped to relieve the load. Which led to the second reason - to assist the encylopaedia more generally, of which, over the last 12 months, I've done a great deal more. So, to reiterate: I wish to continue to work on the protected template in the Organized Labour project and to assist with the template-protected requested edits.
Thanks and regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 23:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(Non-administrator comment) If it's just/mainly Template:WikiProject Organized Labour you want to work on, admins could IAR lower this to ECP? Plenty of precedent for this for WikiProject templates, e.g. Template:WikiProject Languages which has double the number of transclusions. Just another option admins may want to consider to allow you to do your thing. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Goldsztajn, with this change, do you still see yourself needing this perm? Primefac (talk) 01:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks ProcrastinatingReader for the helpful suggestion. Primefac I'd prefer permanent, please. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 07:27, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to support another 3 month trial to give Goldsztajn a chance to show they have the skills required. But I trust them not to tackle work they are not ready for. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:51, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done for another three months. Primefac (talk) 11:43, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]