Talk:Azerbaijan–Turkey relations

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Azerbaijan Mid‑importance

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International relations Mid‑importance

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Creation

Created page Baristarim 00:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Still being upgraded Baristarim 00:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added rankings for Azerbaijani project. --Friejose (talk) 15:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 17:07, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Should have this to you within a day ☯ Jaguar ☯ 17:07, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Initial comments

The lead needs to be expanded to completely summarize the article and also comply per WP:LEAD. It should have at least another paragraph to act as a "mini article" in order to achieve the "broadness" part of the criteria
"The countries share a short 8 km border" - all measurements should be converted to their imperial equivalent using a conversion template (easy)
"It does not recognize the de facto independent republic" - should this be recognise, assuming this uses UK spelling?
First paragraph in the negotiations and economic cooperation section is unreferenced
The prose in the Military cooperation section is a little choppy, all the small paragraphs could easily be merged into two large ones to create a better flow
"In January 29, 2013, TAKM (Organization of the Eurasian Law Enforcement Agencies with Military Status)" - this should be pronounced the other way around; The Organization of the Eurasian Law Enforcement Agencies with Military Status (TAKM). This small paragraph is also unreferenced
"Erdoğan flew on to Sochi, Russia" - on to? It could just be 'to'?
"Davutoğlu announced, at a 26 May joint press conference in Baku" - Davutoğlu announced, at a joint press conference in Baku on 26 May

References

References 1, 3 through 7 are all unformatted. They are missing date values and some authors
Ref 24, ref 23, ref 21, ref 28, ref 27 are all dead
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I'm sorry to do this since you have waited so long and I really hate doing this, but at the moment this article cannot pass the GA criteria within good time. The prose is overall choppy and some sections need a copyedit. There are also a dozen dead references that need replacing as this article depends on those citations given. If you have any questions please ask. Good luck ☯ Jaguar ☯ 17:20, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The first paragraph is full of misleading nonsense

"and having strong cultural, historical and ethnic ties."

Had to make an account for this. There are absolutely no strong cultural, historical and ethnic ties between Turkey and Republic of Azerbaijan. Only similarity is that they both speak Turkic languages.

When it comes to religion, Turkey is Sunni and Republic of Azerbaijan is Shi'ite. Why do you think that is?

Historical ties? The name of Azerbaijan is the name of an Iranian province and Caucasia used to be part of Iran for thousands of years.

When it comes to culture, Republic of Azerbaijan is closer to Iran, and second to Caucasia. Their "folk dance" which was recently introduced to them 100 years ago is the same as Georgian and North Caucasian dances. Turkish dances are similar to Armenian, Iranian, Greek and Kurdish dances. Go and look it up and see for yourself. They celebrate Newroz in Republic of Azerbaijan, it's an Iranian event. The event was banned in Turkey under the guise of "stopping separatism" because Kurds celebrate it and they removed the ban in beginning of the 21th century, and the only ones in Turkey that celebrate Newroz are the Kurds and NOT the Turks. Food and customs in Republic of Azerbaijan are closest to Iran, second to Caucasia and third to Russia.

When it comes to ethnic ties, their DNA results are mostly Iranian and funnily enough some of their politicians wanted to ban DNA testing because of it.

Sickofthisbs (talk) 14:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sickofthisbs: Many articles/books have been written about this matter. A good article dealing with this is: Çakır Ceyhan Suvari, Elif Kanca. (2012). "Turkey and Azerbaijan: On the Myth of Sharing the same Origin and Culture." Iran and the Caucasus (16: 2). pp. 247-256[1] - LouisAragon (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I read it and it admits they are only linguistic relatives and not cultural relatives which means this part needs to be cut out entirely from this article: "having strong cultural, historical and ethnic ties". Sickofthisbs (talk) 13:54, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sickofthisbs: You are free to tweak the material in the article as long as you cite WP:RS sources and pay attention to all other guidelines. You don't need to ask anyone permission for that. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LouisAragon: It doesn't say who put it there and no source was provided to substantiate it and the link you gave proves that there is no historical and cultural link between the two states, I'll be removing that part then. https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Azerbaijan%E2%80%93Turkey_relations&diff=982491303&oldid=982422521. Sickofthisbs (talk) 18:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I found this. A Caucasian Turk by the name of Muhammad agha Shahtakhtinski wrote in 1 May 1891 in The Caspian that the Russians referred to the Caucasian Turks and other non-Turkic Muslims in the region as "local loyal Persians", and to bypass Russian censorship, they preferred to be called Azerbaijani to signal their desire for reunification with Iran because the Persian province Azerbaijan is located right below the South Caucasus. https://medium.com/@cavidaga/how-to-call-transcaucasian-muslims-c6c753c782d5 Sickofthisbs (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mutual intelligibility

Turkish and Azerbaijani are mutually intelligible. This situation forms the basis of the expression "two states, one nation", which is of critical importance for the diplomatic relations of the two countries. I think this information should be included in the article. Kyzagan (talk) 17:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a better source for Footnote 47?

As the source is depreciated per RFC: Electronic Intifada and this is an area where the source has significant bias, a better source would be desirable. Does someone have one? FortunateSons (talk) 16:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]