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"Buys"

A user named Sandtrap555 has been trying to assert that he is an employee for dell and cited a non-relevant source to say that dell buys computers as a major business operation. I urge a moderator to please revert this edit back to the original version as it appears to be vandalism. --Historyboy226 (talk) 22:27, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Lead-sentence structure (continued)

A Wikipedian has suggested that a proposed re-casting of the lede along the lines of "The multi-national information-technology corporation Dell Inc develops, sells and supports computers and related products" seems just as accurate as some other version. We can agree on that. But what of precision and style? -- Pedant17 (talk) 02:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

It's no more or less precise than the current lead sentence, and it's slightly worse style per WP:BOLDTITLE ("the article's subject is stated as early as possible in the first sentence"). I think we're fine with the current wording. --McGeddon (talk) 08:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Dead links in this article

As a former Ottawa resident I was heartened to see so much Canadian content in this article. However, it appears that a lot of those Canadian links are dead. For example: in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell#Further_reading see the Ottawa Business Journal link under Dell Ottawa references:. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

article from december 1987 refers to Dell as Dell The name probably changed before 1988 then?

http://books.google.com/books?id=Aj8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=dell+%22honeywell+bull%22+1987..1989+repair&source=bl&ots=0LCmK-JcBS&sig=_OgMxGH7PViMWg7RiRAiPuYtww0&hl=en&ei=tefYTPvoFMKdnAeG9MmJCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=honeywell&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.11.206 (talk) 06:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced Material

The below material has been moved from the article after not being sourced long-term. Please feel free to reincorporate into the article with appropriate sourcing! Doniago (talk) 19:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Education K12 Market

===Education K12 Market=== There have been many different definitions to the "Intelligent Classroom" over the last 10 years. Some of the definitions are as vague as putting an interactive white board and a projector in the room. Others are more detailed and include specific content. Dell Corporation has been a leader for years and has had several different versions of the “Intelligent Classroom”. The most current definition is: “through its ability to stimulate learning on multiple levels, technology can enhance the classroom experience for both teachers and student”. Other corporations and products have included other definitions. One of these includes: “The most important part of the Intelligent Classroom is the ...Students, Teacher, and the Educational Interaction”. This view stresses the importance of the educational interaction rather than just products. Typical technology used in an Intelligent Classroom would include a projector, computer, sound, student response systems, video distribution, and IP TV. All of these products would have one goal, and that is to improve the learning experience for the students. If implemented correctly, Media Rich Curriculum (MRC) is now the center piece of the classroom rather than the technology. Video Distribution on a local area network requires these key features: A properly designed network and video distribution equipment. A general guideline can be followed if questions are brought up regarding the ability of a specific network to support video distribution: "If the network can support VoiP (Voice Over IP) the network should support video distribution." While this is a general statement, it does help educators set a guideline for implementing MRC on a network going to a classroom.

Management structure

===Management structure=== The board of directors consists of 9 directors. Michael Dell, the founder of the company, serves as chairman of the board and chief executive officer. Other board members include Donald J. Carty, Judy Lewent, Klaus Luft, Alex J. Mandl, and Sam Nunn. Shareholders elect the nine board members at meetings, and those board members who do not get a majority of votes must submit a resignation to the board, which will subsequently choose whether or not to accept the resignation. The board of directors usually sets up five committees having oversight over specific matters. These committees include the Audit Committee, which handles accounting issues, including auditing and reporting; the Compensation Committee, which approves compensation for the CEO and other employees of the company; the Finance Committee, which handles financial matters such as proposed mergers and acquisitions; the Governance and Nominating Committee, which handles various corporate matters (including nomination of the board); and the Antitrust Compliance Committee, which attempts to prevent company practices from violating antitrust laws. Day-to-day operations of the company are run by the Global Executive Management Committee, which sets strategic direction. Dell has regional senior vice-presidents for countries other than the United States, including David Marmonti for EMEA and Stephen J. Felice for Asia/Japan. As of 2007, other officers included Martin Garvin (senior vice president for worldwide procurement) and Susan Sheskey (vice president and Chief Information Officer).

Corporatespeak

In the previous version, the second paragraph contained the sentence "Dell has grown by both organic and inorganic means since its inception", with links to definitions of "organic growth" and "inorganic growth". This was is a ridiculous example of corporatespeak and very user-unfriendly. Replaced with "Dell has grown by both increasing its customer base and through acquisitions since its inception." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Just Below 39 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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Enron

There is a conspiracy that Dell may be linked to Enron due to the similarity of the E in the Dell logo to that of Enron. Can this be verified? 192.235.7.100 (talk) 03:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Dell Summit

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gender Studies#Dell Summit. --John Vandenberg ^(chat) 05:03, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Logo Inaccuracy

The logo at the top of the article is incorrect. It is currently an amalgamation of the old dell script, with an added blue circle. The new logo has a slightly different script - the 'E' is slightly taller, and the shape has been changed.

See this article for more info: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/logo-design-brand-dell-logo-dude,news-34674.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukes123 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Removing non-discussed links

Hi, In the main-article I see under the section External links this comment: !-- ATTENTION! Please do not add links without discussion and consensus on the talk page. Undiscussed links will be removed. --

Since when do we need to meet consensus on (parts of) an article before placing it and why would you want this. (I can understand such a step if an edit-war has been going on at some time where external links were added/removed all the time: but I can't find any proof of that).

If external link (or any other part of the article) is relevant and meets all the normal guidelines for inclusion in the article I don't see why it would need to be discussed first. And if the external link has no additional value or doesn't meet the normal requirements it can be removed... Only when someone would like to include an external link and isn't sure if it is appropiate he/she could then choose to discuss it first on the Talk page and if then the consensus is that the link should be placed, place it. And the other way around: if an earlier removed link (and again: or any other part of the article) has already been discussed on the Talk page and the general consensus was to remove it - then it makes sense to discuss it prior to re-placing the link again, and so long no new concensus has been reached about that link you can delete it while referring to the earlier discussion on the Talk page where consensus was made to remove it.

As far as I know this is against the principle of Wikipedia that you require consensus on information to add. If there are special circumstances (earlier vandalism, advertising-attempts etc) to require such a step there are ways to prevent it (for example: make an article protected or semi-protected) and unless there special circumstances to do this I don't think it is appropiate to keep this comment in the article.

Thanks, Tonkie (talk) 14:33, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

It looks like that may have been added for the first time with this edit. I would recommend contacting the contributing editor if you have not already done so. Doniago (talk) 13:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

@Doniago : I did contact Kkm010 via his TALK page and because I didn't see any editwar or anything prior to that.... But thanks for your reaction, Tonkie (talk) 18:58, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I don't know what may have precipitated the addition of the comment, but I agree that with the information I have, it seems like the comment may be a bit out of line. I'd give KKM a while to chime in, though. Doniago (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

LBO

Cited from press release. So Silver Lake owns my ass again (ex-SunGard). Not changed private / public status as I don't follow the Street closely enough to know when the shares are formally de-listed (or whether they will continue to list even in private hands, as some apparently do). Guy (Help!) 15:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Public or Private?

So what's the deal, can we change the 'Type' section to Private yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris6187400 (talk • contribs) 04:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

is the dell inspiron good for students? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie Boat (talk • contribs) 17:07, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Fiscal Year vs Calendar Year

I saw some edits and reverts in April 2013 and in the comments with the edits some refs were made to the fiscal year (FY) and calendar year (CY). Dell is currently (12 April, 2013) in FY 2014: the FY of Dell runs from 1st February to 31 January and is in 11 months of the year thus one year AHEAD of the calendar year. So FY 2015 will start on 1 Feb 2014 - unless the company would decide to change their financial reporting when they move away from the stock-market and go back private (anyway: when the company leaves the public market they will publish a lot less financial figures). Cheers, Tonkie (talk) 20:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

There is no retail shop in Moscow

I, literally, live in Moscow, there is no, and for at least 3-4 years never was any Dell retail shop. Where this information coming from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.80.159.236 (talk) 06:46, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2015

You lenovo computer in not Dell. 83.220.237.31 (talk) 08:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Windows. Only users. 83.220.237.31 (talk) 08:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC) M.video you. 83.220.237.31 (talk) 08:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 08:48, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Michael Dell "will" buy

"Michael Dell ... will buy the public shares at $13.65 apiece." This is a report from 2013, which is no longer in the future, so "will" isn't appropriate. The obvious edit is to revise the sentence to "bought the shares at $13.65 apiece," but we shouldn't do that without a reference. Omc (talk) 04:35, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

 Fixed. I've changed "will" to Reuters reported "would", and done some minor copy-editing to distinguish the February 2013 offer from the final result. - Pointillist (talk) 16:02, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2016

I'd like to change the following bullet: "On November 2, 2010, Dell acquired Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) integration leader Boomi. Terms of the deal were not disclosed." It should be changed to include a link to the Dell Boomi wikipedia page in place of the text "Boomi". The text should also read: "On November 2, 2010, Dell acquired cloud integration leader Boomi. Terms of the deal were not disclosed." This more accurately describes the nature of the company Boomi, as it is a SaaS company that specializes in cloud integration Mr.mankins (talk) 22:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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Proposal to add to criticism section deleting product reviews

Not sure if this is important and relevant enough, but I propose anyway adding the following to the Criticism section at the end of the page:

In March 2016, Dell was caught removing critical product reviews from their website.<ref>[http://www.2globalnomads.info/2016/03/Dell-Vostro-14-5459-Laptop-Review.html Dell Vostro 14 5000 Series Laptop Review]</ref>

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2016

Typo: In Acquisiiton List, in Force 10 line, a command states Powerconnect was pwered by Broadcom and "Marcell" - should be "Marvell" (The link correctly points to Marvell)

Orr101 (talk) 23:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Done — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 00:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 9 September 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. I am going to be honest, I am involved (see below) and closing this, which is against policy. However, it is clear the Dell and Dell Technologies are different companies. The original Dell Inc. merged with EMC Corporation to form Dell Technologies. There is already a page for the new company, so this page should be about the subsidiary. That is the reason why I am closing this. I am opening a new section about this matter. (non-admin closure) CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 01:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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Dell → Dell Technologies – The name of the company has been changed to Dell Technologies so the page should be moved under the new name. Dell Technologies is the holding company so they need a page under that name and there needs to be a separate page for Dell, the consumer computer division of Dell Technologies. Thunderbolt.wiki (talk) 03:33, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment. We normally do not use the official legal name when naming articles. Whenever possible, common usage is preferred (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies). If most reliable sources still use "Dell" as the common name, then the name of this article should not be changed. So far, I do not see evidence that reliable sources are now predominantly using the longer official name. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:19, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment. Dell and Dell Technologies need their own pages. The old name of the parent company was "Dell". This has changed to "Dell Technologies". This is not disputed anywhere. A "Dell Technologies" page which speaks to the parent company, its operations, and subsidiaries is warranted. The "Dell" name has been assigned to the PC business only. This is evidenced on Dell's own dell.com website. Dell is now a subsidiary of Dell Technologies, along with Dell EMC, PIvotal, Virtustream, RSA, VMware, and SecureWorks. Therefore, it is also warranted to have a Dell page which speaks to Dell's computing business, its products, etc. (just like the other subsidiaries Dell EMC, RSA, Pivotal, and VMware have their own pages). My recommendation is to split this page in two: Dell and Dell Technologies. 18:00, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

• Comment – I have created Dell Technologies – the new company formed after the merge of the original Dell Inc. and EMC Corporation. The current page should be about the new subsidiary of Dell Technologies and the original company should be at Dell Inc. I need help doing all the merging and technical stuff. Thanks! CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 00:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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References

The NAC by an involved party is not a typical move, but I was going to do the same NAC myself, since we cannot commingle clearly distinct notable topics into the same article as was proposed.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  02:21, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Article scope

I am officially opening a new section about the article scope. I closed the above requested move above, because I created a page about the new company. On September 7, 2016, the original Dell Inc. acquired EMC Corporation and merged the two companies as Dell Technologies Inc., restructuring the original company as a subsidiary of Dell Technologies and EMC Corporation was re-branded as DELL EMC and is now a subsidiary of the new company. So we have a lot of work to do. I was thinking, to have three pages, kind of like Hewlett-Packard and its successors, HP Inc. and Hewlett Packard Enterprise. I was thinking of having this page (Dell) about the new subsidiary, than Dell Technologies (page exist) as the page about the new parent company, and than the old company (1984-2016) at Dell Inc. (currently redirect to Dell). I created a draft (Draft:Dell Inc.) that would be about the old company, but I want some advise and review from other editors before we publish it, as well as narrow the current article Dell to be about the subsidiary and improve the Dell Technologies article. I am not claiming ownership of articles. I am just posting this so we can all work together in making these articles encyclopedic and updated following the new structure of the companies. I look forward to working with fellow editors. CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 01:38, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

• Agreed these are two distinct topics. It's fairly common for WP to have an article on a parent commercial entity and a similarly-named subsidiary, especially if their histories are notably distinct. However, the present article should probably move to Dell Computer or something; "Dell" by itself should be a disambiguation page for the normal meaning of the word, the original computer company, and the new parent corporation, and Dell EMC, and whatever else is covered at Dell (disambiguation).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  02:19, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  • SMcCandlish You are right, the new subsidiary "Dell" is not primary topic of the term "Dell" – however, "Dell Computer" is not the name of the subsidiary, it is simply "Dell". Maybe we should name it Dell (subsidiary). What do you think? Anyway, thanks for your quick response. What do you think of the draft, if I don't mind asking. Cheers, CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 03:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
    • Not sure. That's a discussion for another RM, I would think, after the articles' scopes are more clearly defined. Maybe it would be Dell, Inc.? I dunno. I'm not steeped in Dell's history.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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Merger of Dell (subsidiary)

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Consensus is to merge Dell (subsidiary) into Dell. CookieMonster755✉ 18:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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Most people searching for Dell will wind up at this page. It is not accurate to show the company as defunct - it is merely now just a subsidiary of Dell Technologies. Dell (subsidiary) should be merged into this page. In other cases, when a company is bought by another company, wikipedia just changes the company type to "subsidiary"; a new article is not created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.92.242.36 (talk) 04:52, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I completely agree. Dell Inc is still an active company, registered with the Texas Comptroller, so to say it is defunct is inaccurate at best and deliberately misleading at worst. The staff and operations have all remained with Dell Inc through its merger with EMC and its change of status to a subsidiary of Dell Technologies. The average user would only be confused by the company status on the Dell page. Eilidhmax (talk) 15:07, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

• Dell's consumer business is a unit of Dell Technologies' client services group per SEC filings. Dell (subsidiary) is unneeded; the article shouldjust acknowledge that the company is now technically a brand of Dell selling consumer products and PCs. ViperSnake151  Talk  01:49, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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History of Dell

The above-noted page appears to be redundant to the fairly detailed (and obviously more visible) history section in the main article here. Is it necessary to have as a separate page, or would it be better to merge anything reliable back into the main article and redirect? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:36, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Dell client solutions??

Shouldn't this article be renamed 'Dell Client Solutions'? Dell Technologies is now the main company, with the client solutions making the majority of the desktop clients, monitors, etc etc. Taylor2646 (talk) 13:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I think that would fail WP:COMMONNAME. Would be fine to give a more detailed description of the company's structure, but the main article would be under the name "Dell". – Thjarkur (talk) 15:47, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Policy on Company Headquarters

Dell is headquartered in Ireland for tax reasons. The article sideboard says it's headquarted in Texas. Does wikipedia have a policy regarding this, and other companies that do that?

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2019

Change number of employees from 145,000 to 157,000

Source: https://craft.co/dell-technologies https://www.forbes.com/companies/dell-technologies/#131f98cc94f2 Wingman3434 (talk) 22:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Both those articles are about Dell Technologies, the parent company of Dell. NiciVampireHeart 11:30, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

History split-merged content into History of Dell

Per consensus at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/History_of_Dell, I have moved the information from the History section into the article History of Dell, in a move to both update the out-of-date history, and reduce this article's length per WP:SIZERULE. SpuriousCorrelation 18:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support as it seems a good idea. Glad to hear you're planning on doing this. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 20:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  I support splitting the history section of Dell to move into the article History of Dell. 49.192.44.178 (talk) 00:52, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Revert Merge and Re-split History Section

Oi... okay. So this is becoming an albatross around my neck. I'm going to put all the events as I see it here and ask for someone who is not myself, anyone involved in the original AFD, or the ultimate merge to make a decision on this.

1. The page History of Dell was woefully out-of-date, and I PRODed it.

2. Another user dePRODed as they saw value in the page.

3. Correspondingly, I opened an AFD. This AFD was improperly closed.

4. I began work on following consensus, and posted a notice (see above section).

5. The deletion review recognized this, but the Admin closed it with what appears to be another wrong reason, stating consensus as Merge to Dell. I believe the discussion pretty clearly shows consensus was to split the History section from this article into the History of Dell article to make it up to date.

6. Another user, unaware of the rather tumultuous happenings, came by and understandably merged it].

To lay out the reasons I saw from others and understand as consensus:

• We agreed that the page had relevant information that should not be removed from Wikipedia
• We agreed that merging into Dell was problematic as well, because that makes this article WP:TOOBIG
• It makes sense to keep the separate history article, as it matches other technology company history articles like History of IBM and History of Microsoft.

As a result, it seemed to me like we had settled on updating the original history article and keeping it in place. I really don't know what to do at this point. Help?

SpuriousCorrelation 16:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

References

• Comment: As one incredibly involved, having made good faith but ultimately poor AfD closure, I'm at least happy the history is together without being CFORK'd and I'm actually currently minded to leave it in the current article. I actually see the Dell brand as being the major item of note here, not the corporation per se., and the fact Dell Technologies is a split is a real issue, and probably a bigger contributor to overall mess. I'm certainly not evaluating and decision on this though. Thankyou. -- Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Please someone update link 38 for me

Old link dead, too lazy to read talk formatting rules sorry, new link here https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/the-real-dell-2-0/ 162.211.39.206 (talk) 23:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed. –CWenger (^ • @) 00:48, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

"D3ll" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect D3ll has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 11 § D3ll until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:19, 11 October 2023 (UTC)