Talk:Isfahan

Suggested new summary section

Removing specific details to the main article and making this a summary style section with just enough information to provide context. The sources provided by Benji above will be used also, so consider them included. First draft, changes and comments encouraged. - Becksguy (talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

LGBT

Main article: LGBT rights in Iran

There has been a recent crackdown in Iran against LGBT persons as reported by the Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, and in Esfahān in particular because, according to the Gay City News, "Esfahan is Iran's third largest city, with a population of 1,600,000, and is also home to one of Iran's most important nuclear facilities, and thus is under tight police control and surveillance." There have been several events since May 2007 in which many men suspected of being gay or dressing in womens clothes were severely beaten and/or arrested by police and paramilitary forces.

This is even worse than the original section by Benji, for all the reason discussed ad nauseam above and because half of this section is not sourced, that is the claim that Esfahan is a focal point of the campaign and that it is a focal point because of the tight police control due to nuclear facilities. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 20:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Sourcing concerns can be addressed and no, this hasn't been discussed "ad nauseam" except by perhaps a few editors who simply feel there is no place for this content and don't wish to discuss it at all. If you have specific suggestions besides sourcing concerns - which can certainly be addressed - then please offer some constructive suggestions. -- Banjeboi 14:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, Benjiboi again. What about you making constructive suggestions instead of making unsubstantiated claims of editors not wishing to discuss it at all because they just feel that there is no place for this content. I gave several reasons above why there is no place for this event in this article. None has been addressed by other editors, so do not expect me to repeat myself again and again. And btw, sourcing concerns are important, especially here as given the sources presented this section fabricates the claim that there is something special about Esfahan when it comes to the persecution of gay people. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it makes no sense to discuss about the sources when there is no place for this paragraph here. (Koohkan (talk) 16:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC))

Sourcing, as has been pointed out, is not an issue as there are ample sources for this content. I respectfully disagree that information about LGBT people can't peacefully coexist - this certainly seems to be relevant information about the culture of the city and a source of news. -- Banjeboi 00:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

This had nothing to do with the culture of the city, as I explained before the national laws in Iran do not respect LGBT rights, these laws are enforced from the central government in Tehran and have nothing to do with any of the Iranian cities. The LGBT right is a general issue in Iran and it does not belong to a city.(Koohkan (talk) 06:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC))

And I disagree. The treatment of sexuality and gender minorities certainly seems to be tied the culture of urban areas and the changing culture in major cities can shape and change policies and attitudes. I think simply contextualizing this as LGBT content, although it certainly is that, is problematic as it seems its more about the morality campaigning with gays serving as obvious targets. I found this helpful to understanding the broader context:

“ Joe Stork, deputy director of the Middle East division of Human Rights Watch, noted that the Esfahan raid came as the regime of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was conducting a new campaign against “immoral behavior,” begun in April, that includes a stringent crackdown on women who violate rigorous Islamic dress codes. According to Iran’s semi-official Mehr News Agency, police said on April 25 that 150,000 people had been detained so far in this campaign. On May 13, police told the same news agency that 17,000 people had been stopped and interrogated at Iranian airports since the campaign began, of whom 850 women had been detained and released only after signing

“commitment letters,” while another 130 faced prosecution.
“In Iran, the walls of homes are transparent and the halls of justice opaque,” HRW’s Stork said, adding: “This ‘morality’ campaign shows how fragile respect for privacy and personal dignity is in Iran today.”

”

Perhaps using the morality campaigns and simply citing the mass arrests would make more sense. -- Banjeboi 19:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

The laws in Iran are based on Islamic laws which are fix and have been fixed for last 1400 year and cannot change with the culture of a city. We are not talking about a democratic process and this is the point which you are confusing the national laws with a city culture. If something should change, it would be the national laws. I suggest you to read more about political system of Iran, so you will have a better understanding of what I am talking about.

The morality campaign had nothing to do with gays, it was a campaign about they way young people(specially women) dress and behave and gay people could also be among them. Moreover it was a campaign in all the cities and again does not belong to a city.

The type of arguments are loosing their relevance to the discussion and I think it is the point we do not need to continue the discussion, otherwise we will end up with philosophical discussion about democracy and other social issues. (Koohkan (talk) 12:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC))

The section, as I see it can easily encompass this material as the current culture of the city. I think that's how it was intended. We do agree that the arrests of gays was part of the morality campaign - that was my point above. Not terribly interested in a philosophy discussion, just here to discuss this content in relation to the article. -- Banjeboi 14:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

References

Churches/Convents in Jolfa, Esfahan

Here is a very interesting documentary (in Eglish) about the Armenian churches/convents in Jolfa, Esfahan. Perhaps someone should sort out the copyright status of this video (whose duration is 30 minutes) and possibly include a link to it in the main page. --BF 01:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Article name

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

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WP:NCGN tells us that the article name should be the widely accepted English name. I cannot find one source in English (other than WP and sources obviously derived from WP) which calls the city Esfahān. All call it Esfahan or (probably more commonly) Isfahan. Unless someone can come up with a source for the assertion that Esfahān is the most widely accepted name in English, I am proposing to move the article to Esfahan. Mhockey (talk) 19:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

There are two issues:

1- The title can be the most common spelling in English texts (i.e. Isfahan), or the proper transliteration (i.e. Esfahān). Esfahan is neither of them. For this case, I think the spelling "Isfahan" has enough usage to consider it as an accepted English spelling tradition (so it can used in the title of this page).

2- The guideline that you mentioned is not about using or not using diacritics (it's about using completely different names or spellings). For example, in English texts, "Düsseldorf" is mostly written as "Dusseldorf", but here in Wikipedia, we use "Düsseldorf" as the title of the page. I should mention that your interpretation of that naming convention guideline has already been proposed as a guideline and has failed to attain consensus (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics)). Alefbe (talk) 20:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

1. I do not see anything in WP:NCGN which says you should use a transliteration where there is a widely accepted English spelling. In fact, it says the opposite:

When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it.

"Proper transliteration" is in any case a nebulous concept. There are several different transliteration systems for Persian. Isfahan, Esfahan, Esfahān and Eṣfahān are all really transliterations - the first two in systems which do not distinguish long and short vowels, the third in the preferred modern system (but which does not enable you to reconstruct the Persian script), and the fourth used mostly in academic texts. Both the first two are widely used as names for the city in English texts. The Library of Congress country study prefers Esfahan, and a quick Google search suggest that it is widely used. But I agree with you that Isfahan is more common, and I would be happy with that as the title.

2. Diacritics are part of spelling - at least that is what the article on spelling says, and I agree with that. We use Düsseldorf, but not Montréal or İstanbul, as article titles because we use the most widely accepted version used in English texts (I think the umlaut is widely used in English texts, although that is a more marginal case than most). The failed proposal you mention does not apply to transliteration systems - and the only way it differs from WP:NCGN seems to be to avoid diacritics in article titles where it is not clear what "common usage" is. That is not the case here - it is pretty clear that common usage in English is not to use ā in writing Esfahan. Mhockey (talk) 09:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

• Support move to most common name, which appears to be Isfahan. This is in line with our conventions, which suggest that systemic translations be used, but only when they are conventionally used in English as well. Common usage has priority over the technical correctness of transliterations. My support would be strengthened by further demonstrations of the evidence.Erudy (talk) 16:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• Support Isfahan, which is conventional in English, and has been since James Morier. Why is this article using an E in the first place? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• Support per nom. The article was previously at Isfahan and moved without discussion or rationale. — AjaxSmack 00:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
• Support Isfahan most common name in English. --Folantin (talk) 11:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

• Support move to Isfahan, as the name commonly used in English, and thus the one the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize. - Ev (talk) 16:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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Esfahan listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Esfahan. Since you had some involvement with the Esfahan redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Thryduulf (talk) 23:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was Not moved. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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Isfahan → Esfahan — The Esfahan pronounce is correcter. Javadz 1385 (talk) 18:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose Isfahan is the more common name in English, per discussion above. Mhockey (talk) 21:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose per the recent unanimous consensus above that "Isfahan" is the more common name in English, and thus per the WP:COMMONNAME naming convention. Thryduulf (talk) 21:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - this seems too early in light of the move discussion and conclusion a mere few months ago. In addition, nom had already nominated the redirect for deletion, apparently against the consensus for the previous move (in May 2009). I see nothing new to come close to overturning the prior decision.B.Wind (talk) 03:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:UE and WP:UCN.
  — V = I * R (talk to Ω) 07:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

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Second largest city?

The same is said about Mashhad --88.79.103.58 (talk) 15:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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People in Isfahan

People who live in Isfahan are called ‘Isfshani’, they are famous for meddling. They talk in Persian but have very unique accent which is very sweet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.201.227.42 (talk) 16:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Status of Isfahan / Esfahan Metro

The article says the metro "is planned to be finished by end of 2010." Can somebody please update this very stale information? Paulburnett (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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Whyd you delete this

hello Pahlevun prostitutes belong in economy https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=979907351&oldid=979881663

Prostitutes
In an interview with 300 prostitutes in Isfahan, about 80% of these women agreed they do so due to emotional emptiness and lack of sexual satisfaction.

Baratiiman (talk) 18:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

References

Agree with Pahlevun, this is just not relevant enough to mention in an article about the city. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Even if prostitution can be an aspect of the local economy, this information doesn't tell us anything about that. There is nothing here about the impact of prostitution on the city's economy (or on any other part of its life). --bonadea contributions talk 14:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

BonadeaThat information is in pleasure marriage and prositution in iran which was deleted .Baratiiman (talk) 15:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

amp project

Fix dead links says amp links are in this page but i deleted them and still get the error https://iabot.toolforge.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle&pagesearch=Isfahan Baratiiman (talk) 11:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the refresh time on IABot, but I'm guessing it's not updating in real-time, so the edits you made about half an hour ago likely haven't made their way through the system yet. If you want more help, change the {{help me-helped}} back into a {{help me}}, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 12:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

AMP

I removed whatever amp was in here web archive still not working Baratiiman (talk) 13:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Not really sure exactly what you're referring to, but you might need to manually find the web archive if the bot can't do it; if the URL on the page isn't exactly the same as the Web Archive URL of the page, it won't match. Primefac (talk) 13:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

fish specy

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=980612082&oldid=980611733 Þjarkur

• https://www.virascience.com/thesis/799808/
• https://www.sid.ir/fa/journal/ViewPaper.aspx?id=471688
• https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DA%A9%D9%BE%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86

Baratiiman (talk) 13:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

The species does exist, but WP:ONUS, it is not a significant species, and not relevant to the fauna of the city. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Then where?Baratiiman (talk) 13:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Baratiiman: I have answered that question for you at the Teahouse (see here). As this taxon has not yet been found within the city, you can mentioned it in both Isfahan Province and at Zayanderud river, where its three known world locations can be listed and wikilinked to, and where it is most definitely a very worthy endemic to identify. It should not be listed as part of the city fauna, as none of your four sources suggest that it occurs there! A little more care in checking sources would have avoided this talk page discussion, and you would have answered your own rather odd "then where?" question. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

the god forsaken species is named isfahan im pretty sure isfahan means city not the province it deserves to be in this page ? Nick MoyesBaratiiman (talk) 07:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Baratiiman: Read the sources, my friend. Don't just guess! At this time, it belongs elsewhere, and I say this as both a Wikipedian of 10 years experience, and a professional naturalist of 35 years experience. If you can't be bothered to read what you cite, don't cite it! I'm not advocating for not mentioning this taxon, just for you putting it the right article and for you not causing misinformation by your sloppy approach. There's one helluva difference between a taxon being named after something and for it being present within it. In this case it is named after the City and Province, but if you take the time and trouble to read through the published sources, you'll learn that none of its three known sites are within the city, but are all elsewhere within the river basin within Isfahan Province. How much clearer can I be?  Nick Moyes (talk) 07:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Fashion / clothing / textile industry

These two sources have been removed from a section called "fashion" which did not actually say anything about fashion, and which contained no information supported by any sources. I removed the sectiondiff of my edit, but the sources might be useful: the first one is about production of knitwear and the second one about textile/clothing industry. There was no bibliographical info and no attempt to format the citations in the article, so I'm afraid these are just bare URLs – and note that I have no opinion on whether the sources are reliable.

• https://www.isna.ir/news/99051410046/%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%AA%D8%B1%DB%8C%DA%A9%D9%88-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D8%AC%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B3-%D8%AE%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B2%DB%8C-%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AA%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA
• https://www.hamshahrionline.ir/news/518544/%D9%85%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B9-%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C%D8%AF-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%82%D8%B7%D8%A8-%D8%B5%D9%86%D8%B9%D8%AA-%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AC%DB%8C-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%DA%86%DB%8C%D8%B3%D8%AA

--bonadea contributions talk 14:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

BonadeaClothing town https://www.hamshahrionline.ir/news/518544/%D9%85%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B9-%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C%D8%AF-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%82%D8%B7%D8%A8-%D8%B5%D9%86%D8%B9%D8%AA-%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AC%DB%8C-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%DA%86%DB%8C%D8%B3%D8%AA#item:~:text=%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B1%20%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%20%D8%B2%D9%85%DB%8C%D9%86%20%D8%B4%D9%87%D8%B1%DA%A9%20%D9%BE%D9%88%D8%B4%D8%A7%DA%A9%20%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%20%D8%B1%D8%A7%20%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%84%D8%AA%20%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C%D9%86%20%D9%88%20%D9%87%D8%B2%DB%8C%D9%86%D9%87%20%D8%B2%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%AA%20%D8%B1%D8%A7%20%D8%AF%D8%B1%20%D8%B2%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%20%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AF%20%D8%A8%D9%87%20%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%20%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A8%D9%84%20%DA%A9%D9%86%D8%AF

They are all in both links except for the last sentence which is from a link in the economy section either that or i lost a link Baratiiman (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

That's the exact same source I provided above, and although I do not read Farsi, I can get a rough idea of the content by the use of translation software. Now, I am the first to admit that Google Translate is useless when it comes to exact translations, and maybe the article actually does talk about fashion – if so, please provide the information about that. (Clothing industry is not the same thing as fashion industry.) As for the claim that 80% of the knitwear is imported, again that is not fashion, it is not specifically relevant to Isfahan, and most importantly, the isna.ir source does not support that claim. The only time "80%" is mentioned in that article is in the (GTranslated) sentence "80% of the fancy products in the market such as zippers, buttons, cuffs, clothespins, etc. are imported" which is not the same thing as "80% of knitwear is imported". The clothing or textile industry may very well be important enough for a section in the article, but it has to be properly sourced (not just bare URLs – that is important!) and contain encyclopedic information. --bonadea contributions talk 15:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Bonadea i aint know english expert but i can read grammar and my opinion is google translate Farsi to English is 99% accurate and clothing and fashion are the same thing youre a linguist not fashion expert https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion#Fashion_industry the bare URLS were not a problem in wikipedia before you said this Baratiiman (talk) 15:46, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

99% correct is certainly not true, but if the content is mostly OK in the translation, I'm satisfied. (The language is never going to be OK, but we don't need to care about that since Google translated text will never be used in articles). The only relevant point is whether it talks about clothing or fashion, and as you also say that it says clothing... well, then we are in agreement! Yes, bare URLs are a problem. A bare URL to a reliable source is better than no source, but it is very unhelpful to our readers (and to other editors) to only provide bare URLs and somebody is always going to have to fix such problematic references – and leaving that necessary work to other editors is a bit unfair. --bonadea contributions talk 15:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I can understand Persian and I checked ISNA. It is an interview with a local trade unionist in Isfahan, who speaks about rise of production costs for tricot workshops due to COVID pandemic. He somewhere says 80% of raw material are imported, and does not seem to speak about Isfahan specifically. This is categorically irrelevant to 'Fashion' and Isfahan. Pahlevun (talk) 16:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Pahlevunf you can read and write please solve this great mystery too im going nuts almost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Economy_of_Iran#Reason a beggar photo is irrevelant to poverty? Baratiiman (talk) 16:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I have already responded in the right place. Pahlevun (talk) 16:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

To fix i think i should find the source for the last sentence and move the whole thing under clothing or textile instead of fashion that should do it? Bonadea Baratiiman (talk) 17:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

In part, yes, but not exactly. As already discussed above, "80% imported knitwear" is not a fact about Isfahan. Import is part of the national economy, not the economy of an individual city – and that is also why the previous third sentence, "Iran has the second biggest fashion market after the United States", is not specifically relevant here, especially not when the section is only a sentence or two long. (In a well-developed section about a city's industry, it might be relevant to mention as part of the background that that industry is important in the country as a whole, but I'd suggest building the section first.) Finally, "trying to make a clothing town" is difficult to understand; I will read up on the source and see if I can help developing that into something that flows a little better, but I don't have time to do that today. I'd also suggest moving the section to the sub-section "Economy, technology and tourism" rather than "Culture and demographics". It would really be very helpful if you could take a little time to fix the references that are bare URLs. You can use the Ref Toolbar to do that. --bonadea contributions talk 07:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

how was garment district incomprehensible by Bonadea Baratiiman (talk) 15:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

As I mentioned just above, the sentence "As of 2020 Isfahan is trying to make a clothing town" is difficult to understand, even if "make" is changed to "become" (which I assume is what is meant), because there is no context and no explanation and no information about it. In addition there is no explanation of the term "garment district". The information is probably there in the sources but it might take a little while to extract it. --bonadea contributions talk 16:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

BonadeaYou havent read the source all you know is you have the urge to delete text from this page.This is todays news

• https://www.imna.ir/news/428993/%D8%B4%D9%87%D8%B1%DA%A9-%D9%BE%D9%88%D8%B4%D8%A7%DA%A9-%D9%81%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D9%88-%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B2%DB%8C-%D9%85%DB%8C-%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%AF

Baratiiman (talk) 15:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Like you and everybody else here, I edit Wikipedia in my spare time, of which I currently have almost none. No, I have not had a chance to make myself acquainted with what that source says. What do you mean by "today's news", and what is the relevance of that link you just posted? Please don't expect other people to understand exactly what the point is when you post unexplained links as part of discussions. Thanks. --bonadea contributions talk 16:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

redlinks and shahrak and Iranian girl in isfahan

do you know what redlinks are for? encourage creating them Bonadea also the shahraks are under the city municipality and their pages are way outdated and incorrect Baratiiman (talk) 08:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jey_Rural_District Mahmudabad_Rural_District_(Isfahan_Province)

• They are in the suburbs of the city.
• these pages are very untrue Shahrak zayanderud is an expensive parts inside the city however i couldnt find anything in the internet not farsi nor english
• and the girl where does it say she is a tourist or not a tourist Zero0000

Baratiiman (talk) 08:55, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Having spent time in Isfahan, I can say that if this was a local, it was someone deliberately pushing the boundaries and risking arrest. That by itself would be interesting perhaps, but since we have no information on the circumstances of the photo, we shouldn't use it. Readers will assume it is a typical sight, but it isn't. I think it is more likely to be a tourist because wearing a hat instead of a scarf and wearing pants without a "manteau" is something that tourists commonly get away with. Zero^talk 09:25, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Zero0000Where did you spend time and when did you spend time and how long because that pic is closest to reality than Fashion in Iran both english and farsi versions entire text.Baratiiman (talk) 09:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I disagree, but I asked the opinion of a friend who is a woman who lives in Esfahan. Anyway, even if it is genuine, this woman could be almost anywhere in the world and the photo adds exactly nothing to the article. Images should illuminate the subject of the article somehow. Zero^talk 13:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Zero0000the bridge in the photo is in esfahan bird garden.Baratiiman (talk) 10:12, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Baratiiman: My Esfahani friend confirms that such a sight is possible, but I still think it is unrepresentative and doesn't improve the article. You could add that photo to Paris or Rome or Rio de Janeiro or Auckland and nobody would know the difference. Photos in this article should illustrate Esfahan. Zero^talk 03:27, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Redlinks: that comment is a reference to my removal of two redlinks in a hatnote here. There is an important difference between redlinks in article text and redlinks in see-also sections or hatnotes; it does not help our readers at all to say "here is an article with much more information about this topic" when there is no such article, and it is a very different thing from allowing words in running text to be redlinked. If you want the actual guideline on this, see WP:REDHAT. --bonadea contributions talk 09:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

bonadea i do redlinks is because they take like 5 minutes to bring from farsi to english when you are an admin 5 months when you are not an admin. https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AF_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86 https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%87%D9%86%DA%AF_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86 Baratiiman (talk) 09:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Don't create hatnotes with redlinks. It does not take five minutes to translate a long article from another language. The two articles you link above are apparently the Farsi Wikipedia articles about the economy of Isfahan and culture of Isfahan, respectively. The fact that such articles exist in another language does not make it appropriate to create hatnotes for them in English Wikipedia. --bonadea contributions talk 09:44, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Reason

Zangoose&SeviperMan4055reason for this https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=980977823&oldid=980974513 Baratiiman (talk) 15:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Baratiiman Sorry for the reversion. I thought you were some sort of vandal. Zangoose&SeviperMan4055 (talk) 15:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Night tourism

Ohnoitsjamie"section doesnt make sense" And why is that?that is a well studied potential for tourism program https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=980991139&oldid=980978579 https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=981008442&oldid=981008372 if you are an admin why dont you use that access to make Isfahan economy to shorten this page Baratiiman (talk) 11:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what my being an admin has to do with whatever it is you think I should do (create a page? shorten a page? Parsing your sentences is challenging). I removed it because it was a single sentence declaring that the town did not have a night program. The article in general has way too many single sentence sections that should be refactored into a prose section. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Ohnoitsjamieis that what was written because I read "City ranks first in ranking for night economy potential" Baratiiman (talk) 13:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Consolidation of sections, gallery reorg

The article had too many small sections, which I've started to reorganize into prose per WP:PROSE. For reference Karaj and Mashhad are articles about cities in Iran of a similar size, and are more appropriately organized. I've also removed the main gallery, which is an indiscriminate collection of images per WP:GALLERY, and moved some of the photos into smaller organized galleries in history subsections. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

OhnoitsjamieThe packed gallery with 20 images costs 10kb and most of the pics are found nowhere unless you search keywords.Baratiiman (talk) 15:27, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Baratiiman: It has less to do with download size and more to do with visual clutter. —C.Fred (talk) 15:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Please read WP:GALLERY. Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of images; notice that there is already a link to Wikimedia Commons in the External links section, which will redirect the user to the Commons collection. More images can be added there if necessary.OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

cost of living

why did you delete real estate prices? https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=981132953&oldid=981132273Ohnoitsjamie Baratiiman (talk) 10:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Please stop making new sections for every question. Frankly, you've made a mess of this page. While your edits were clearly made in good-faith, you've basically thrown in a large collection of single sentence factoids all over the page and made an excessive amount of subsections. Please take the time to look at articles for other major cities (such as Karaj, Mashhad, etc) and you'll see what I mean. A section on the economy should have well-written cohesive paragraphs, not a bunch of bullet points each with their own heading. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Ohnoitsjamiethat doesnt answer why you deleted the text but it only explains why removed the subheading, this page was a mess it shouldnt get 6k monthly but 600k Baratiiman (talk) 15:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I have answered it; it's a random factoid. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Page views reflect interest in a topic, not quality of the page. Take a look at some of the city pages that have Good article status; Amman, Sirkazhi, Fustat; notice in Amman how sections are broken up, with sourced, coherent paragraphs in each section. You won't find any articles with GA status that are just jumbled lists. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

OhnoitsjamieI copied cost of living from moscow and i liked amenities better than reacreation this is a article about wikipedia weakness https://www.neowin.net/news/new-wiki-project---abstract-wikipedia---will-boost-content-across-languages/ Baratiiman (talk) 17:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Are you sure you read that article? I did, and it didn't say anything about "wikipedia articles don't have enough about recreation so make a thousand one sentence subsections." What that article is about is making information in English Wikipedia more accessible in other languages. To that end, it might make more sense for you to be focusing on the Wikipedia in your native language. As other's have noted, it's not always clear what you're talking about; English Wikipedia requires a reasonable command of written English. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

::{{|Ohnoitsjamie}}there was no cost of living subheading in those ancient cities pages.im shocked Baratiiman (talk) 18:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

acid

Bonadea where do you think is the place for ref for attacks? https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=981124228&oldid=981123881 Baratiiman (talk) 10:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

That link has nothing to do with acid attacks, so if you wanted to ask about that content please be more clear. I see that there is an article Acid attacks on women in Isfahan, which could very well be added to the "See also" section. --bonadea contributions talk 15:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

rug hat note

Ohnoitsjamie Isfahan rug headnote belongs in economy does it not? https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=981133041&oldid=981132953 Baratiiman (talk) 10:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

It merits a mention (which I've added) but not a hatnote; hatnotes are more appropriate when the topic of entire section also has its own article. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

ban on women musicians in the city

• Bonadea Explain for what purpose did you delete this from the page text
• "There is a nation wide ban on women in music even though music classes are filled by women."
• https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=981132035&oldid=981131793 Baratiiman (talk) 08:38, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I explained that in the edit summary: "none of the sources mentions Isfahan (one refers to a village in the Natanz area – Isfahan province, not city) ; nationwide issues do not need to be discusssed here unless there is specific local relevance." Was that unclear? The article is about Isfahan city, not about Isfahan county or Isfahan province or Iran as a whole – the exact same issue that has been brought up several times above on this article talk page. --bonadea contributions talk 08:49, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Bonadea The isfahan city government is involved in this story even if it is in a village in isfahan province.Baratiiman (talk) 10:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

The text "There is a nation wide ban on women in music even though music classes are filled by women" does not say anything about Isfahan. The first source in your list here does not mention Isfahan. Nor does the second one. The third one mentions a specific incident in Abyaneh, which is near Natanz. It does not say anything about Isfahan, nor about anything that is in the text. Even if the Isfahan city government is involved (how? The source does not say), it's still not something that would be relevant to include in an encyclopedia article, and definitely not in an article about Isfahan city, because it happened elsewhere.

Remember that a) the text in the Wikipedia article has to be relevant to the topic, and b) the sources should support the text (and so a source that talks about something that's not mentioned in the text shouldn't be added). --bonadea contributions talk 15:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Bonadeathis was in the court of islamic revolution in isfahan city not the village https://www.radiofarda.com/amp/29954831.html https://www.khabaronline.ir/amp/1262782/ Baratiiman (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

The revolutionary courts are provincial and their headquarters are located in the capital city of each province. Isfahan is the capital of Isfahan Province, is this how something happened in the village of Abianeh is connected to Isfahan? That's irrelevant. Pahlevun (talk) 16:22, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Capital status of this city gets completely ignored and bashed by pahlevun Baratiiman (talk) 16:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Actually, Pahlevun literally just said "Isfahan is the capital of Isfahan Province". As usual you did not explain what those links you posted were, but this is apparently about the same incident that was mentioned in the BBC source provided before. That incident did not happen in Isfahan city. If it is encyclopedically relevant, it would belong in the article Abyaneh. I don't know if it is encyclopedically relevant – it may be, but please read this and this and don't assume that just because something happened, it belongs in an encyclopedia article. If there has in fact been significant coverage in reliable secondary sources of the event, Abyaneh is the place to present it. --bonadea contributions talk 16:45, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Biodeveristy flora

Bonadea i copied the exact text from source the source says it grows in the city?Baratiiman (talk) 12:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

You copied two different parts of the text and combined them, which is problematic for two reasons. First of all, copying straight from the source is not allowed. That is a copyright violation unless the text is properly quoted, which this was not (and adding text as a quote would not have been appropriate here anyway). Secondly, the resulting sentence misrepresented the source; the source says

Heliocarya monandra is a rare endemic species of Boraginaceae that grows in a limited area in central Iran. Since there has been no comprehensive study of this species, morphological and anatomical properties of it were investigated. For this, plant samples were collected from a locality on the Soffeh Montain[sic] in the south of Isfahan city in central Iran. (p. 273)

The sentence you added said "Heliocarya monandra is a rare endemic species of Boraginaceae that grows in a limited area from a locality on the Soffeh Montain in the south of Isfahan city." Do you see how that is different? The source does not in fact claim that the flower only grows on the Soffeh Mountain (apart from the fact that "grows in a limited area from a locality on the Soffeh Mountain" is not idiomatic English). The text you used is from the abstract of the article – the actual article is more informative: "Heliocarya monandra Bge. [...] is found in a restricted area between Isfahan and Yazd provinces in central Iran". So, yes, the species does grow on Mount Soffeh just outside Isfahan but there is nothing that says it is particularly important to the mountain or the city. A mention of the species in Isfahan Province might not be out of place, as long as it is not copied from the source. --bonadea contributions talk 12:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

References

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