Talk:Jørgensen's law

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A fact from Jørgensen's law appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 February 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Ove Jørgensen, after giving his name to a law of Homeric poetry, renounced classical studies to write about ballet?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jørgensen's law.

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 19:57, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Ove Jørgensen‎ worked out the rules that Homeric characters follow when talking about the actions of the gods? Source: Essentially a summary of the Jørgensen's law article: best citation is probably Scodel, Ruth (1998). "Bardic Performance and Oral Tradition in Homer". The American Journal of Philology. 119 (2): 179. JSTOR 1562083.
- ALT1: ... that Ove Jørgensen, after giving his name to a law of Homeric poetry, renounced classical studies to write about ballet? Source: Hartmann, Godfred (2011-07-18). "Ove Jørgensen". Dansk Biografisk Leksikon [Danish Biographical Lexicon] (in Danish). Retrieved 2024-01-28.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dione arcuata; Template:Did you know nominations/Winchester College football
- Notes: this is meant to be a dual nomination of Ove Jørgensen‎ and Jørgensen's law.

Created by UndercoverClassicist (talk). Self-nominated at 20:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jørgensen's law; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

Nice work on these articles. Personally, I prefer ALT1 but both hooks are good to go. Epicgenius (talk) 15:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: UndercoverClassicist (talk · contribs) 10:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 16:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This looks very good; not sure if I can find issues but I will try. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 16:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good to see you -- looking forward to working together. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 18:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

unless possessed of special powers, – maybe write "unless they possess special powers"?
- No major problem with this (though potentially ambiguous: is they the mortals or the gods?) -- but then I also must admit I don't really see the problem/improvement we're going for here? UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 19:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now, as Keyser [de] has already noted – "Kayser"?
- Oops - yes, good catch. Fixed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 19:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
During the false account Odysseus tells of his voyage to Ithaca to the swineherd Eumaeus in Odyssey 14 – This is a bit difficult to read. Maybe "During the false account that Odysseus tells the swineherd Eumaeus of his voyage to Ithaca in Odyssey 14"?
- I'm not sure that's better: the slightly odd word order was intended to remove the ambiguity of whether the account was in Od. 14 (it is) or whether the voyage was (it wasn't). UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 19:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jørgensen's law is not universally followed in Homeric poetry, though most apparent exceptions can be explained away or follow other conventions of Homeric narration – "away" sounds a bit colloquial to me, maybe just remove that word?
- Not sure it is, at least in the sources I read, and there's a distinction of meaning: "explained" means "we know why the law is broken", "explained away" means "when we look deeper, we realise there's no break at all". UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 19:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some nitpicks on the Biography (optional):

consider using proper ISBN formatting with hyphens using an ISBN converter.
- I've seen it argued either way, but looking around I'm (re-)persuaded on the value of the hyphens. Have tried out the format ISBN template: might not take effect immediately (I think it waits for a bot). UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 19:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jørgensen, Ove (1904). "Das Auftreten der Goetter in den Buechern ι–μ der Odyssee" – I am pretty sure the spelling has to be "Götter" and "Büchern". The original is fully capitalized, where ü becomes UE and ö becomes OE. When writing the title without such capitalization, UE should become ü and OE should become ö.
- Huh; I didn't know that (I thought e.g. ü and ue were simply alternate possibilities). Changed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 19:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
de Jong 2010, p. 260–261. – should be "pp."
- Another good catch: thank you. Fixed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 19:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriate, sources are of high quality, and the article seems to be a comprehensive coverage of a quite narrow topic. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:06, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that's the lot -- thank you for these. Mostly just done, but a few replies above. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 19:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.