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On 2 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Kara (group). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Header section

Added summary of Kara's achievements in the header section - according to Wiki's standards for good/featured article, the header section should be concise as well as be informative and welcoming which will inspire readers' interest to read more, within several paragraphs. Initial version of header section is barely informative, I think. Clari 2010 11 May 2010

Kara was not disbanded.

Recently, i corrected the article that kara was not in disbandment with reliable sources, but the user:Lightoil says i vandalised the article and reverting the article. why he is reverting my edits? i included the sources that is reliable. [1] My sources from that time's Agency DSP Media telephone's interview with news press([2]) and the article already had sources from members remakarks before i edit.--121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:36, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Open a request for comment@121.133.40.84 Lightoil (talk) 09:46, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

i don't know how to open a request 121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@121.133.40.84 okay I will do it for you Lightoil (talk) 09:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment

Was Kara disbanded or on hiatus? Lightoil (talk) 10:03, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It was a long hiatus. [3] and not disbanded [4]--121.133.40.84 (talk) 10:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was disbandment as evident here Lightoil (talk) 10:45, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mixed phrasing - It's referred to both in this article.[5]. It would be perfectly fine to characterize it like this:

Kara disbanned in 2016. After a 7 year hiatus the group returned in 2022.

That should satisfy this question. Nemov (talk)

(summoned by the bot) Based on the English-language sources linked above, I think Nemov's phrasing (with "disbanded" instead of "disbanned") looks reasonable. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:59, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
[6] the news(Jan. 15th 2016) title is "DSP said, "It is not the disbandment of Kara...No plans to recruit new members"" and some parts of article says

On the 15th, DSP Media said in a telephone interview with this newspaper, "It is not the disband of 'Kara'. The exclusive contracts of Park Kyu-ri, Koo Ha-ra and Han Seung-yeon have only expired, and the group called 'Kara' will remain the same, he said.

and also saying

Regarding the recruitment of new members, DSP Media said, "There is no plan. The recruitment of new members has not been decided. The members' exclusive contracts have expired, but if they want, they will continue their group activities", he said.

And also, before i edit, they have already sources that one of the members interview (Park Gyu-ri "Kara did not disband, we're thinking of making an album if we get an opportunity) in 2016. Both of ex-agency and one of the members saying that Kara was not disbanded at that time.
As you saw on the aritcle, Kara is a South Korean pop girl group, so Korean references is more reliable. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 17:34, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of Korean sources that write that Kara disbanded like [7]. Furthermore, this is English Wikipedia, Korean sources are not more reliable than other sources as we have a different way of determining reliable sources. Lightoil (talk) 18:59, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, the link you give to me says "virtually disband", not "officially disband". That's just a subjective judgment of news journalist. My reference is more reliable because it was the ex-agency's telephone interview with the news Media. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 07:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I can give more sources [8] [9] which states that Kara disbanded. Lightoil (talk) 07:53, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's a wrong news. I told you that both of ex-agency and members denied about disbandment. You're bringing the wrong news and saying it's a right information. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 03:36, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is not considered wrong news just additional sources. Lightoil (talk) 04:28, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If the information in news saying that kara was disbanded is wrong, that is what we called wrong news. According to your argument, can I use fake news as an additional sources? You're talking nonsense.

There are many articles in Korean news that treat a group as if it has been disbanded when the contract period expires without checking the facts. (Of course, there are cases where it is actually disbanded)

For example, when all members of the group GOT7 expired in 2021, there were many news articles that it was actually disbanded at that time. But that wasn't true and released a single and after a hiatus (solo activities), they actually made a comeback in 2022.

In the case of Kara, despite the long hiatus, they made a comeback after about seven and a half years. The difference is whether the period was short or long. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 04:52, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Don't be so offended the sources I listed are reliable and just because the media made a mistake with Got7 does not mean that we should stop trusting them. Lightoil (talk) 05:19, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you say that the sources I have presented are unreliable, and that the sources you have presented are reliable? Also, why the same criteria should not be applied? Member's opinion can be important. For example, see F(x)_(musical_group)#2019–2021:_Reunion_and_departures_from_SM

On April 23, 2021, during a review video of her activities from debut to present, Luna expressed confusion over f(x) being referred to in the past tense, stating that the group had not yet disbanded.

This document refers to the member's denial of disbandment, and accept the claim that the group had not yet disbanded.

Why are you free to assume that the contract has expired is as same as the group is disbanded? The same criteria should be applied. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 05:28, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I never said the source is unreliable just that people can lie, both the company and the members of the group claimed hiatus when the group functionally disbanded, and anyways we are discussing whether Kara is disbanded or not f(x). Which in their case has functionally disbanded with no members in SM and a reunion is unlikely. Lightoil (talk) 08:25, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you have a subjective interpretation? The fact is that they were not disbanded. Admit it.
Ex-agency didn't say kara is disbanded at that time (2016).

One of members also said Kara was not disbanded.

What I can say more? Hiatus is not same as the functionally disbanded. "Functionally disbanded" is your subjective interpretation. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@121.133.40.84 Not sure why on earth you kept arguing with Lightoil and repeating the same opinion of yours over and over again, both of your have different opinions which is fine and normal however you shouldn't be arguing just to change Lightoil opinions, this isn't a battlefield. This is also mainly the reason why this RfC was started to get different opinions from other editors, however you shouldn't be arguing with other editors just because you're not happy with their opinions, this is unacceptable. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:52, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not trying to argue with Lightoil. First, I just edited with the right information with sources, but Lightoil said that i vandalised the article. If somebody said who is trying to argue with, then I would say the user Lightoil argued. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 14:03, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Special:Contributions/121.133.40.84 Regardless of who started it first, do not argue with other editors just because you disagree with their opinions. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:07, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User Lightoil said that I've vandalised the article when i just edited with the right information. I felt bad. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 14:18, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with Kara disbanded in 2016. After a 7 year hiatus the group returned in 2022. Lightoil (talk) 17:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vote for hiatus, the group still had intentions of performing again at some point, just took a break.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:10, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Being honest I still don't see how articles written by people who made assumptions on the group based off their contract expiration and statements that never referred to disbandment are more reliable than the group members themselves, specifically Gyuri and Youngji, saying quite adamantly that Kara didn't disband and wanted to release a new album in the future, MORE than once. That would be the same as me putting f(x) as a disbanded group because they're not under the label, even though they never claimed disbandment. Especially since Wikipedia's source that they aren't disbanded are from Luna saying so. If her word is more valid than whatever's in the press, shouldn't Gyuri and Youngji's word for Kara? - K-popguardian (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your opinion. I think the same criteria should be applied.--121.133.40.84 (talk) 05:35, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vote for mixed phrasing - "Kara disbanded in 2016. After a 7 year hiatus the group returned in 2022." sounds perfectly reasonable to me, as a hiatus is something that can be used to describe a period of inactivity post-factum. PraiseVivec (talk) 22:18, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hiatus can exist without disbandment. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 07:21, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mixed phrasing. It does seem that the band functionally disbanded for a period of time. "Disband" need not necessarily be a permanent state—just look at the popularity of "reunion tours" from bands after a long time being disbanded. So saying that they disbanded and then returned after a hiatus seems to be the most accurate way to reflect the situation. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:45, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Did you read my replies? I gave the sources that both of ex-agency and one of the members saying that Kara was not disbanded at that time. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 07:27, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but I am substantially more concerned with what independent sources had to say than self-published statements. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:43, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not Self-published sources. That's the interview with the news media. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 03:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both the company and the members may have a vested interest in maintaining the illusion of hiatus when in fact the group has disbanded. Lightoil (talk) 07:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's just your subjective opinion. I'm telling the truth literally. Why you try to argue with me? 121.133.40.84 (talk) 08:40, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Opinions are not always wrong, there is a reason Wikipedia prefers secondary sources over primary ones. Lightoil (talk) 12:13, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mixed phrasing – reliable sources indicate that KARA was created by DSP Media; therefore, when two band members did not renew their contracts with DSP Media and the company did not find replacement members, the band ceased to function that is make new music or tour (which seems to be the definition of disband). --Guest2625 (talk) 03:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kara disbandment

@Paper9oll: apologies for the ping but I'm tryna stop an edit war before it starts. I'm currently having struggles with a user (@ValenciaThunderbolt:) who keeps trying to mark Kara's years active as 2007-2015, instead of 2007-2016, when they disbanded. Their reasoning for this is that Kara's last concert was in November 2015, but their official disbandment took place the following year, January 2016. They have accused me of "conflating activity" by marking their years active as 2007-2016 to match their official activity period and I need a third party to break this up.

Should it be 2007-2015, when their final concert happened or 2007-2016 when the group officially disbanded. - K-popguardian (talk) 01:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@K-popguardian: The problem is that some users, like yourself, think the parametre is for debut to disbandment, while the label and parametre are called "years active". ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 10:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ValenciaThunderbolt: As I said before, the disbandment marks the OFFICIAL END OF GROUP ACTIVITIES. And it happened only a month and a few week after their final performance, it's not like we're talking about something that happened 1-2 years after their last performance. - K-popguardian (talk) 00:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@K-popguardian: I disagree with the first part of your sentence, but as they stopped activities the month before, I agree with keeping it as it is. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 09:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]